Because Seti is biggest dc project and if you compare, Seti Forum is kind of most alive Forum that is why I am talking on this forum.

Well it is the biggest because it was the first and most well known. In time other projects may grow bigger than SETI. Many of the accounts here were imported from the Classic project and have never been used on BOINC. I'd be curious to know the number of active participants across the various projects and see how they compare to SETI.

If you can rethink about my response I have already told you.

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Mandtugai!

We'll see. and that is sad because part of you are viciously opposed to others.

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Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

It is not opposing of others what I see is in the Forum people not at least from 50 countries are talking. For Seti project as most would feel as really amazing project in most peoples' lifetime, that kind of unhealthy phenomenon is not making sense.

And please do not ignore that many Seti members are doing many other boinc protein projects which concentrated on pure human future well being. As Seti the most dominant effecting dc project if there are more healthy ideals make up the project structure the other scientific dc projects will follow its example. (and of course that would attract sufficient funding from many possible corners, I believe)

I am not opposing one person or one country, I am opposing one phenomenon that seemingly make the project (or project culture to be precise) unhealthy. The phenomenon is described in the very first post.

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Mandtugai!

Because you are yourself belonging to the subject country who has 220 000 members it is clear that you are simply protecting the majority Dominance Effects. (that is not healthy ethics for Seti ethical ground)

That is a completely unfair comment for you to make of me (not to mention untrue). I am not protecting anything. And why would I? Native Americans are probably the smallest minority in the world. Just because I happen to speak English doesn't make me "one of them".

You should try to quit looking at this as an adversarial viewpoint and try looking at this from a realistic perspective.

But I think I'm just about out of steam here. I think I'm going to take my advice given earlier and just let my word stand on their own (especially if you're going to keep making false accusations like what you did here, I don't need it).

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I felt bad for you as well. I had hoped that just once you would present an argument instead of statements of your opinion and belief, but no, that was not to occur. 8^]

I presented many arguments to support my position..including facts to back them up. I think you were perhaps confused by the way I phrased it. Possible in the usual feminine way of prefixing a statements with 'I think' or 'perhaps it is that'. That would be your bias as to what makes a 'proper' discussion and no way reflects on any points I did and have made. You and I will differ on one fundamental assertion. I do not believe that any opinion can be objective and I will frame my discussions with this in mind. You however are under the apparent delusion that the human mind can be 'objective' and that there is an 'objective' reality to present arguments about.

So your attempts to set the agenda and the style of debate were actually perceived as hostile by many..and in my opinion (again the feminine disclaimer)were sheer arrogance. :)

I thought we had already established via convo's that there was no such thing as a diversion from 'male logic' v 'female logic' when it came to structure and math....

Of course....I'm not silly enough to believe that holds in relations of course. heheee

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Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

Lately this thread has gotten very personal and the mods are having to delete multiple posts. We have a lot of different viewpoints here and I love reading legitimate examples of them. I also understand that political posts can get heated but remember--You can disagree with a viewpoint and not have to rip a person personally...but that is not what has been occuring lately.

I'm going to say this very clearly--if you disagree with me (which is your right), feel free to email the Mods List but DO NOT post it here.

I am not referring to any specific person here.

If you have an issue with someone personally-PM THEM! If you are unable to do that, then let it go.. there is to be no more personal insults here or I will close this thread permanently. In a way this relates to other threads as well.

Thank you for your attention...

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there is to be no more personal insults here or I will close this thread permanently. In a way this relates to other threads as well.

'bout time... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

If one job was done with 220 people but only 10 of them have chance to talk about it and do not care that other 210 whatever they can or cannot speak english or they have not motivation to speak with active ones, is kind certain big ignorance type. (out of 247 I guess around 20 countries are kind of play thing)

This is scientific project that means advanced ideals supposed to dominate that means all participants should have a chance to talk whatever they belong to majority country or minority. And in some ways only english speaking Main Seti Forum and only English Way Thinking Forum is not giving chance to other 210 to speak. We all see that fact.

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Mandtugai!

yeah stop screwin around

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Scorpions - Wind Of Change

Well it is not wrong to fix a Forum that only 5% (10) speaks.

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Mandtugai!

You did your bit.

When young men seek to be like you, when lazy men resent you, when powerful men look over their shoulder at you, when cowardly men plot behind your back, when corrupt men wish you were gone, and when evil men want you dead. . . Only then will you have done your share. . . ~ Phil Messina

;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Well it is not wrong to fix a Forum that only 5% (10) speaks.

No its not wrong. It's the way things someimes are. That's life. You did your bit.

Maybe Seti need to open an idea thread and collect ideas how to transform the Forum into real Main Seti forum and then transform it.

My ideas:

- To open a section (like cafe or politics) that lists all countries names and people can enter to that and talk in their room, maybe called as International Talk.

- On the main page [http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/index.php] in one display section to show 10-20 countries flags for few days that each have a link to their specific forum section and participation statistics.

I am sure many other people would tell many better ideas.

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Mandtugai!

After discussing this issue with Eric and the other mods, it's been determined this thread has run it's distance. I am locking the thread after this...any further questions on this can be referred to Eric Korpela.

From Eric:

If any member of SETI@home wants to advertise for us and get enough
speakers of a specific foreign language to convince us that there is
enough interest to divide forums info language groups and is willing
to find a group of moderators for each language, then we'll consider
it. But up until that point, we've got few enough people using the
forums that they will remain predominantly English, because that is
the most likely shared language across international boundaries these
days.

Nothing prohibits foreign language posts, but there's no guarantee
that a speaker of any specific language will be browsing the forums
that day.

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