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hiamps Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0 |
Some pervert kidnapped and raped and murdered a little girl on July 4th. He is a convicted level 3 offender and now they are finding connections to many more...Why should this animal live? Does ANYONE actually believe a person in jail sits and feels the least bit guilty about what they have done? They don't, they are not eaten with guilt so why keep them alive? Try and give a real answer and not one you heard someone else like your preacher use... Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! |
popandbob Send message Joined: 19 Mar 05 Posts: 551 Credit: 4,673,015 RAC: 0 |
Simple really, People dont care enough about what goes on as long as it doesn't affect themselves. Those who do care enough usually are the ones saying "Killing is wrong, there are other ways" This is why there is no Death penalty in many places. Personally I belive anyone who is a repeat offender needs some other treatment than jail since obviously jail didn't work. 2 Choices that I can think of... 1. Criminal concentration camp. Make them work to continue living, if they kill themselves then its no big loss. 2. Death penalty. I honeslty would rather see the first one of the two because then if its done right could make a little money for other things such as catching more criminals, more schools, etc. ~BoB Do you Good Search for Seti@Home? http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=888957 Or Good Shop? http://www.goodshop.com/?charityid=888957 |
hiamps Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0 |
Simple really, I like option #1 better also. At least they could pay back society a bit...Be a good deterrent also. Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! |
thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 |
I think only if a rapist, a child rapist, a murderer is to total 100.0000000000% proved guilty by all possible scientific means, with absolutely 0.00000000000% probability that this person can NOT have done it, then death penalty is right. But if there is even the tiniest possibility for a doubt, then it should be life sentence... Account frozen... |
popandbob Send message Joined: 19 Mar 05 Posts: 551 Credit: 4,673,015 RAC: 0 |
Simple really, In all honesty I think all criminals who offend at any size who would normally goto jail should goto a criminal concentration camp. Of course not all would go there for life but it would still teach them a lesson or 3. (or at least I hope so for their sake) ~BoB Do you Good Search for Seti@Home? http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=888957 Or Good Shop? http://www.goodshop.com/?charityid=888957 |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
Personally, I would much rather be sentenced to death than be forced to spend the rest of my life tucked away in a ten by ten cell with a guy named Bubba... 'Give me liberty or give me death'... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
hiamps Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0 |
I think only if a rapist, a child rapist, a murderer is to total 100.0000000000% proved guilty by all possible scientific means, with absolutely 0.00000000000% probability that this person can NOT have done it, then death penalty is right. But if there is even the tiniest possibility for a doubt, then it should be life sentence... I would agree with that also, DNA got this guy. So he makes a deal to tell where the body is and gets life. Just like they did the Green River Killer. I always thought I was a bit liberal but this is getting ridiculous. Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! |
hiamps Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0 |
Personally, I would much rather be sentenced to death than be forced to spend the rest of my life tucked away in a ten by ten cell with a guy named Bubba... You would be amazed at how adaptable you really are...IMO Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! |
Quizmaster Send message Joined: 11 Jul 07 Posts: 1 Credit: 7,368 RAC: 0 |
We punish killers because killing is the ultimate crime. But to punish them by killing? Surely that is committing the same crime? Becoming like the killer? Deterrent: The USA has the death penalty, the countries of western Europe don't. Which has the higher murder rate? It's the USA. This suggests the death penalty is not a deterrent. In fact maybe it goes the other way, serving to brutalise society and devalue life. Or whatever theory you like the facts are there to be seen. |
hiamps Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0 |
We punish killers because killing is the ultimate crime. Yep that is it...My step-Daughter witnessed a guy stab a guy at a party and the guy died, she testified and we were notified a few months ago that after 3 years he is getting out. No wonder our murder rate is so high. In Europe he would have done real time. Here it is a slap on the wrist. The mother of the child should be able to choose how this animal dies! Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! |
Helsionium Send message Joined: 24 Dec 06 Posts: 156 Credit: 86,214,817 RAC: 43 |
My personal opinion on capital punishment is that it is wrong because I think that there are NO circumstances under which any indivudal (or the state, for that matter) has the right to terminate or severely restrict the life of another indivdual. For that reason, I also oppose long jail sentences, although I can't think of any alternative punishment ATM, either. On the other hand, I often think that for some crimes, there is no more appropriate punishment. When I hear of certain crimes, I'd sometimes even like to kill the criminal myself, despite knowing that I don't have the right. Well, perhaps I'm just too emotional to deal with these kinds of crime... In the end, I think that the emotional approach is the wrong one, because I still think that capital punishment can never coexist with the individuals' fundamental rights and the notion of a state protecting these rights. Which has the higher murder rate? It's the USA. This suggests the death penalty is not a deterrent. I think that this has more to do with the rather easy access to guns in the USA. You know, most killings probably happen when intense emotions are involved, and I don't think that the killers can think about their punishment. |
Dominique Send message Joined: 3 Mar 05 Posts: 1628 Credit: 74,745 RAC: 0 |
We punish killers because killing is the ultimate crime. Worldwide Per Capita Murder Rates You may be surprised that the USA is NOT #1. |
Helsionium Send message Joined: 24 Dec 06 Posts: 156 Credit: 86,214,817 RAC: 43 |
You may be surprised that the USA is NOT #1. He was comparing the USA against states of Western Europe. While the USA are number 24 on your list, the first country of Western Europe is number 33 (Portugal), which has just slightly more than half the murder rate of the USA. |
hiamps Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0 |
My personal opinion on capital punishment is that it is wrong because I think that there are NO circumstances under which any indivudal (or the state, for that matter) has the right to terminate or severely restrict the life of another indivdual. For that reason, I also oppose long jail sentences, although I can't think of any alternative punishment ATM, either. I feel once someone has taken anothers life,all bets are off and they then are subject to the same terms they show other life. Why should they have rights they don't actually believe in except when conveniant? All life is sacred, untill you take one, then it becomes easier.... Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
The death penalty is barbaric |
hiamps Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0 |
The death penalty is barbaric So is locking people in Cages...But I wouldn't want them still on the streets. War is barbaric but we still seem to fight them. Most countries in the World are still barbaric...That is a part of living and dying. If you take a life in anger yours should be subject to the family of the one you took. That would be fair but then life ISN'T fair.... Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! |
thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 |
I know I will be disagreed... But in my opinion, persons who destroy a life or a soul just because they want - I explicitly mean murderers(*) and rapists - don't earn to have the right to be treated as humans anymore. They are monsters and the society needs to be saved against them even by taking the monster's life. An animal which kills a human is killed though animals only attack humans either because of fear or other natural, instinctive reasons - so a murderer (see footnote) also earns to be killed. * According to the German definition, a murderer is: "whoever kills a human being out of murderous lust, to satisfy his sexual desires, from greed or otherwise base motives, treacherously or cruelly or with means dangerous to the public or in order to make another crime possible or cover it up." Account frozen... |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
The death penalty is barbaric So that's all right then, we just respond to one form of barbarism with another? How is society to progress if we give an eye for an eye? |
hiamps Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0 |
The death penalty is barbaric Seems and eye for an eye has been going on as long as civilization has been around and we have progressed just fine. Maybe because the law of nature survival of the fittest no longer applies we need to take care of some ourselves. I can't see paying for a Monster to have it easy in jail...And they get used to it...That is why so many reoffend just to go back. Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! |
popandbob Send message Joined: 19 Mar 05 Posts: 551 Credit: 4,673,015 RAC: 0 |
The death penalty is barbaric Many seem to have forgotten our grass roots. We are animals just like all the others. It doesn't matter how advanced we are or how smart we are, we are animals. Survival of the fitest. Its a case of apples and oranges. Apples may be better, they may think they are better but are they better? They both still grow from trees and they are still food to me. ~BoB Do you Good Search for Seti@Home? http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=888957 Or Good Shop? http://www.goodshop.com/?charityid=888957 |
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