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Message 602692 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 6:50:20 UTC
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710662559138481080&q=en

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Message 602718 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 8:10:42 UTC

While JFK's speech was great, I was not impressed with the distracting slideshow that someone attached, especially with the juxtaposition of historical images with images from popular entertainment and images that have been, for want of a better term, Photoshoped. In my opinion they take too much away from one of JFK's better speeches. Do you have a link to just JFK's speech (sans slideshow)?

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Message 602720 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 8:15:42 UTC
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I should have watched it first. My apologies.

The one I wanted to post didn't include any of that weirdness.

MODERATOR: Could you please replace the link in post 1 of this thread to show this link which is the same speech, minus the awful slide show?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1854894833414174983&q=JFK+Speech+on+Secret+Societies&total=47&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
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Message 602867 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 18:53:53 UTC - in response to Message 602720.
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I should have watched it first. My apologies.

The one I wanted to post didn't include any of that weirdness.

MODERATOR: Could you please replace the link in post 1 of this thread to show this link which is the same speech, minus the awful slide show?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1854894833414174983&q=JFK+Speech+on+Secret+Societies&total=47&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2


I am sorry, but moderators cannot edit the posts of others.

This is one of the most important speeches given by one of the greatest Presidents of the USA of the 20th Century.

Too bad the audio is heavily edited in the links you have found. The edited version almost completely changes the meaning of the speech. In the interests of completeness, I will post the text of the entire speech and give a link to it. On the page I will link, there is a link to the complete audio recording of the speech.


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Message 602870 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 18:58:13 UTC
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Audio link on following page from the official JFK Library website.
The President and the Press: Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association

President John F. Kennedy
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel
New York City, April 27, 1961

Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen:

I appreciate very much your generous invitation to be here tonight.

You bear heavy responsibilities these days and an article I read some time ago reminded me of how particularly heavily the burdens of present day events bear upon your profession.

You may remember that in 1851 the New York Herald Tribune under the sponsorship and publishing of Horace Greeley, employed as its London correspondent an obscure journalist by the name of Karl Marx.

We are told that foreign correspondent Marx, stone broke, and with a family ill and undernourished, constantly appealed to Greeley and managing editor Charles Dana for an increase in his munificent salary of $5 per installment, a salary which he and Engels ungratefully labeled as the "lousiest petty bourgeois cheating."

But when all his financial appeals were refused, Marx looked around for other means of livelihood and fame, eventually terminating his relationship with the Tribune and devoting his talents full time to the cause that would bequeath the world the seeds of Leninism, Stalinism, revolution and the cold war.

If only this capitalistic New York newspaper had treated him more kindly; if only Marx had remained a foreign correspondent, history might have been different. And I hope all publishers will bear this lesson in mind the next time they receive a poverty-stricken appeal for a small increase in the expense account from an obscure newspaper man.

I have selected as the title of my remarks tonight "The President and the Press." Some may suggest that this would be more naturally worded "The President Versus the Press." But those are not my sentiments tonight.

It is true, however, that when a well-known diplomat from another country demanded recently that our State Department repudiate certain newspaper attacks on his colleague it was unnecessary for us to reply that this Administration was not responsible for the press, for the press had already made it clear that it was not responsible for this Administration.

Nevertheless, my purpose here tonight is not to deliver the usual assault on the so-called one party press. On the contrary, in recent months I have rarely heard any complaints about political bias in the press except from a few Republicans. Nor is it my purpose tonight to discuss or defend the televising of Presidential press conferences. I think it is highly beneficial to have some 20,000,000 Americans regularly sit in on these conferences to observe, if I may say so, the incisive, the intelligent and the courteous qualities displayed by your Washington correspondents.

Nor, finally, are these remarks intended to examine the proper degree of privacy which the press should allow to any President and his family.

If in the last few months your White House reporters and photographers have been attending church services with regularity, that has surely done them no harm.

On the other hand, I realize that your staff and wire service photographers may be complaining that they do not enjoy the same green privileges at the local golf courses that they once did.

It is true that my predecessor did not object as I do to pictures of one's golfing skill in action. But neither on the other hand did he ever bean a Secret Service man.

My topic tonight is a more sober one of concern to publishers as well as editors.

I want to talk about our common responsibilities in the face of a common danger. The events of recent weeks may have helped to illuminate that challenge for some; but the dimensions of its threat have loomed large on the horizon for many years. Whatever our hopes may be for the future--for reducing this threat or living with it--there is no escaping either the gravity or the totality of its challenge to our survival and to our security--a challenge that confronts us in unaccustomed ways in every sphere of human activity.

This deadly challenge imposes upon our society two requirements of direct concern both to the press and to the President--two requirements that may seem almost contradictory in tone, but which must be reconciled and fulfilled if we are to meet this national peril. I refer, first, to the need for a far greater public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy.

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The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

But I do ask every publisher, every editor, and every newsman in the nation to reexamine his own standards, and to recognize the nature of our country's peril. In time of war, the government and the press have customarily joined in an effort based largely on self-discipline, to prevent unauthorized disclosures to the enemy. In time of "clear and present danger," the courts have held that even the privileged rights of the First Amendment must yield to the public's need for national security.

Today no war has been declared--and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.

If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of "clear and present danger," then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent.

It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

Nevertheless, every democracy recognizes the necessary restraints of national security--and the question remains whether those restraints need to be more strictly observed if we are to oppose this kind of attack as well as outright invasion.

For the facts of the matter are that this nation's foes have openly boasted of acquiring through our newspapers information they would otherwise hire agents to acquire through theft, bribery or espionage; that details of this nation's covert preparations to counter the enemy's covert operations have been available to every newspaper reader, friend and foe alike; that the size, the strength, the location and the nature of our forces and weapons, and our plans and strategy for their use, have all been pinpointed in the press and other news media to a degree sufficient to satisfy any foreign power; and that, in at least in one case, the publication of details concerning a secret mechanism whereby satellites were followed required its alteration at the expense of considerable time and money.

The newspapers which printed these stories were loyal, patriotic, responsible and well-meaning. Had we been engaged in open warfare, they undoubtedly would not have published such items. But in the absence of open warfare, they recognized only the tests of journalism and not the tests of national security. And my question tonight is whether additional tests should not now be adopted.

The question is for you alone to answer. No public official should answer it for you. No governmental plan should impose its restraints against your will. But I would be failing in my duty to the nation, in considering all of the responsibilities that we now bear and all of the means at hand to meet those responsibilities, if I did not commend this problem to your attention, and urge its thoughtful consideration.

On many earlier occasions, I have said--and your newspapers have constantly said--that these are times that appeal to every citizen's sense of sacrifice and self-discipline. They call out to every citizen to weigh his rights and comforts against his obligations to the common good. I cannot now believe that those citizens who serve in the newspaper business consider themselves exempt from that appeal.

I have no intention of establishing a new Office of War Information to govern the flow of news. I am not suggesting any new forms of censorship or any new types of security classifications. I have no easy answer to the dilemma that I have posed, and would not seek to impose it if I had one. But I am asking the members of the newspaper profession and the industry in this country to reexamine their own responsibilities, to consider the degree and the nature of the present danger, and to heed the duty of self-restraint which that danger imposes upon us all.

Every newspaper now asks itself, with respect to every story: "Is it news?" All I suggest is that you add the question: "Is it in the interest of the national security?" And I hope that every group in America--unions and businessmen and public officials at every level-- will ask the same question of their endeavors, and subject their actions to the same exacting tests.

And should the press of America consider and recommend the voluntary assumption of specific new steps or machinery, I can assure you that we will cooperate whole-heartedly with those recommendations.

Perhaps there will be no recommendations. Perhaps there is no answer to the dilemma faced by a free and open society in a cold and secret war. In times of peace, any discussion of this subject, and any action that results, are both painful and without precedent. But this is a time of peace and peril which knows no precedent in history.

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It is the unprecedented nature of this challenge that also gives rise to your second obligation--an obligation which I share. And that is our obligation to inform and alert the American people--to make certain that they possess all the facts that they need, and understand them as well--the perils, the prospects, the purposes of our program and the choices that we face.

No President should fear public scrutiny of his program. For from that scrutiny comes understanding; and from that understanding comes support or opposition. And both are necessary. I am not asking your newspapers to support the Administration, but I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. For I have complete confidence in the response and dedication of our citizens whenever they are fully informed.

I not only could not stifle controversy among your readers--I welcome it. This Administration intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors; and we expect you to point them out when we miss them.

Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed--and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First Amendment-- the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution- -not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and the sentimental, not to simply "give the public what it wants"--but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold, educate and sometimes even anger public opinion.

This means greater coverage and analysis of international news--for it is no longer far away and foreign but close at hand and local. It means greater attention to improved understanding of the news as well as improved transmission. And it means, finally, that government at all levels, must meet its obligation to provide you with the fullest possible information outside the narrowest limits of national security--and we intend to do it.

III

It was early in the Seventeenth Century that Francis Bacon remarked on three recent inventions already transforming the world: the compass, gunpowder and the printing press. Now the links between the nations first forged by the compass have made us all citizens of the world, the hopes and threats of one becoming the hopes and threats of us all. In that one world's efforts to live together, the evolution of gunpowder to its ultimate limit has warned mankind of the terrible consequences of failure.

And so it is to the printing press--to the recorder of man's deeds, the keeper of his conscience, the courier of his news--that we look for strength and assistance, confident that with your help man will be what he was born to be: free and independent.

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Message 602879 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 19:28:55 UTC - in response to Message 602870.
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Wow, not heard that one before. Really rollercoastered those press guys :D
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Message 602886 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 20:09:50 UTC

Thanks KWSN - MajorKong,

If you'd like to delete this thread and start it again with just your data I would be pleased. I have been political for about a week and a half and am making mistakes.

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Message 602963 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 21:33:56 UTC - in response to Message 602886.

Thanks KWSN - MajorKong,

If you'd like to delete this thread and start it again with just your data I would be pleased. I have been political for about a week and a half and am making mistakes.

Thank you for your work!


MrGray,

Personally, I think the thread should stand. Don't worry about any mistakes you think you might have made! Its all part of the learning process. We have all made them. However, I think you are doing a fine job on this.

The the quotations (audio as well as textual) of the speech discussed in this thread is a perfect example of a point that I would like to illustrate, and I thank you for providing the opportunity.

The first link you provided was obviously audio edited and matched up to a slide show by someone pursuing an agenda. The author of that video clip used audio excerpts from Kennedy's speech to condemn all instances of government secrecy, reinforcing his point with the slideshow with special application to the administration of Bush the Younger. In so doing, the author not only misrepresented the point of Kennedy's speech, but also misrepresented Kennedy's entire position on the matter.

I studied Kennedy's speeches years ago, so I had a vague recollection of this speech. While I remembered several phrases, I didn't think it matched up with what I remembered as the point of the speech. So, I dug around, and found the complete text and audio, and sure enough...

In your original link, the author of that clip edited Kennedy's speech to make it appear that Kennedy was against all forms of government secrecy, and was instructing the news media to report/publish everything. The complete text makes it plain that, while Kennedy respected the need for openness in government, he still believed that some secrecy was necessary in the name of national security. In his speech, Kennedy was asking the news media (newspapers were still the primary source, TV news had not yet eclipsed them) to voluntarily 'muzzle' itself when it came to sensitive areas concerning national security. As one can see, there is quite a bit of difference between the two positions.

My point is that, when someone quotes a source, one should check into it, and independently verify that source. Out of context quotes can be dangerous indeed.

Keep up the good work, MrGray! But, knowing some of your other interests from other threads, I might say that the tagline from a certain fictional TV series dealing with aliens and the unexplained might have broader applicability.

Trust no one!


People shouldn't blindly trust me, you, or ANYONE else. People should independently verify as much of what they hear and read as is possible. It would make it very much tougher to pull the wool over our eyes.

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Message 602975 - Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 21:42:58 UTC - in response to Message 602963.

Thanks KWSN - MajorKong,

If you'd like to delete this thread and start it again with just your data I would be pleased. I have been political for about a week and a half and am making mistakes.

Thank you for your work!


MrGray,

Personally, I think the thread should stand. Don't worry about any mistakes you think you might have made! Its all part of the learning process. We have all made them. However, I think you are doing a fine job on this.


Thank you very, very much, Sir.

The the quotations (audio as well as textual) of the speech discussed in this thread is a perfect example of a point that I would like to illustrate, and I thank you for providing the opportunity.


I'm just glad you spotted the error so soon! Kudos

The first link you provided was obviously audio edited and matched up to a slide show by someone pursuing an agenda. The author of that video clip used audio excerpts from Kennedy's speech to condemn all instances of government secrecy, reinforcing his point with the slideshow with special application to the administration of Bush the Younger. In so doing, the author not only misrepresented the point of Kennedy's speech, but also misrepresented Kennedy's entire position on the matter.

I studied Kennedy's speeches years ago, so I had a vague recollection of this speech. While I remembered several phrases, I didn't think it matched up with what I remembered as the point of the speech. So, I dug around, and found the complete text and audio, and sure enough...


Excellence!

In your original link, the author of that clip edited Kennedy's speech to make it appear that Kennedy was against all forms of government secrecy, and was instructing the news media to report/publish everything. The complete text makes it plain that, while Kennedy respected the need for openness in government, he still believed that some secrecy was necessary in the name of national security. In his speech, Kennedy was asking the news media (newspapers were still the primary source, TV news had not yet eclipsed them) to voluntarily 'muzzle' itself when it came to sensitive areas concerning national security. As one can see, there is quite a bit of difference between the two positions.

My point is that, when someone quotes a source, one should check into it, and independently verify that source. Out of context quotes can be dangerous indeed.


Indeed!

Keep up the good work, MrGray! But, knowing some of your other interests from other threads, I might say that the tagline from a certain fictional TV series dealing with aliens and the unexplained might have broader applicability.


Deciphering now.

Trust no one!


People shouldn't blindly trust me, you, or ANYONE else. People should independently verify as much of what they hear and read as is possible. It would make it very much tougher to pull the wool over our eyes. [/quote]

Exactly! Always consider the source as well.




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Message 603560 - Posted: 14 Jul 2007, 20:54:04 UTC

1981 News report about Bohemian grove:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCDs9Vs2iYM

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Message 603889 - Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 8:57:07 UTC

Templar Origins of Freemasonry:

A hobby of mine:

Decoding the Past: The Templar Code

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1176643089643885375&q=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3260590684535716582&q=en

Other:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3468242625194735300&q=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4775729603895673174&q=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1176643089643885375&q=en
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Message 604149 - Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 19:35:56 UTC

Beg pardon, MrGray, but shouldn't these posts on Freemasonry, the Knights Templar, etc. more properly belong in another thread? The 'secret society' that JFK refered to in his speech was Communism, specifically the Communist government of the USSR. The subject of the Secret Societies such as Freemasonry and its links to the Knights Templar is a facinating subject, but I fail to see the connection between them and JFK. Perhaps if you might state in a few paragraphs the nature of the link, I might feel differently. Thank you.

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Message 604191 - Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 20:37:03 UTC
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Another late night error, I'm afraid,

I wanted to post in the Eisenhower thread. The logic behind this was that many believe a secret society has taken over our country. The Templars were not all caught and burned at the stake by their accusers. It is reported that their vast fleet simply disappeared on Friday the 13th. Speculation as to where they went range from Switzerland, via land, and Scotland via sea. A legend tells of a land far to the west called "Merica." Some believe they rediscovered America, Merica, long before Columbus. (Vikings never mentioned much.) In Rosslyn Chapel, Scotland, there are illustrations in stone relief showing corn and a couple other American continent species unknown to Europe at the time. Rosslyn Chapel was built in 1440 - 1446 by the Sinclairs. (William, 1st Earl of Caithness) The Sinclair family has a founding family lineage of the Templars.

Templar Day?

http://www.rosslynchapel.org.uk/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosslyn_Chapel

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Many say the Masons and Templars are not linked but they worked side by side in the middle east during the "Crusades". By studying both I have found many easy to see similarities.

See Hiram Abiff and University of Bradford's Web of Hiram:

http://www.bradford.ac.uk/webofhiram/

Many argue that the Masons began in the 1600 but the rituals can be traced back to the mystery schools af Egypt and prior to the Sumerians and Babylonians. The reasoning behind remaining hidden until the 1600's was the Catholic church. When the Masons could show themselves without too much fear of being killed and or tortured.

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Anyhow... No secret that many of our founding fathers here in America where Free Masons. Ben Franklin, George Washington, etc. The designer of the Washington D.C. Layout plan was a Mason as was the creator and gift bearer of the Statue of Liberty. See, "Columbia". The corner stone of the White House and many other DC buildings were laid down in a Masonic ceremony. Same ceremony that was performed by Masonic astronauts on the Moon.

I forget if it was Franklin or Washington who warned about the Illuminate. Lemme look. brb. Ok it was Washington:

http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/project/exhibit/hand/2.html

Apparently the Illuminate are super pissed at the Catholic church for crimes against humanity and vow to destroy it and, as proposed by Washington, take over the world. He felt they were already infiltrating the Freemasons and warned about them, and his fears of it.

Skull and Bones is another secret society that include H. Bush, and G. Bush, J. Kerry. I know there are more. brb.

Older list: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bones.htm

Can't find current list.

More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

Bush video admitting membership: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiisokDGbfA


Long story short, (If not too late...), is that these secret societies of the ultra rich have embedded themselves within a system created by secret societies. (ie. America.)

Thus the link between secret societies and the military industrial complex.

In any case it is interesting reading and the parallels between them match time frames and rituals. Thus my hobby in it.

Interesting attachments: The Grail, The Ark, Solomon's Temple. I'll leave some research fun for you to look into.
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Message 604234 - Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 21:27:10 UTC - in response to Message 604191.

Another late night error, I'm afraid,

I wanted to post in the Eisenhower thread. The logic behind this was that many believe a secret society has taken over our country. The Templars were not all caught and burned at the stake by their accusers. It is reported that their vast fleet simply disappeared on Friday the 13th. Speculation as to where they went range from Switzerland, via land, and Scotland via sea. A legend tells of a land far to the west called "Merica." Some believe they rediscovered America, Merica, long before Columbus. (Vikings never mentioned much.) In Rosslyn Chapel, Scotland, there are illustrations in stone relief showing corn and a couple other American continent species unknown to Europe at the time. Rosslyn Chapel was built in 1440 - 1446 by the Sinclairs. (William, 1st Earl of Caithness) The Sinclair family has a founding family lineage of the Templars.

Another possibility for the possible appearance of 'corn, etc.' in carvings of that chapel might be the Irish. There is much physical evidence that the Irish arrived in what would later be called 'North America' some time between 500CE and 1000CE. There are carvings that date from this time period in places near the East Coast of North America (most noteably West Virginia) that are in Old Irish using the Ogham alphabet. Furthermore, other Irish artifacts have been found in that area, also dating from the 500-1000CE time period. Also, certain Native American tribes have legends from that time period that indicate that red haired, blue eyed, white skinned men came to that area from over the sea, at a time much earlier than Columbus made his voyages on or after 1492CE.

I believe it to be possible that the earlier Irish explorer/monks brought knowledge of these plants back home with them.

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Message 604235 - Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 21:29:57 UTC

Being part Irish I am ready to accept this without further research!

*Tiping my Guinness beer at ya!*
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Message 604237 - Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 21:33:20 UTC - in response to Message 604235.

Being part Irish I am ready to accept this without further research!

*Tiping my Guinness beer at ya!*


Being both part Irish, and having, among my other Native American ancestry, some ancestry in one of the tribes with that legend, I return the toast.

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Message 604244 - Posted: 15 Jul 2007, 21:40:09 UTC

What tribe is that?

Another hobby unstarted.
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Message 604323 - Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 0:49:42 UTC

MrGray,

That tribe is the Cherokee. I am right at 1/4 Irish, and just shy of 1/4 Native American. The remainder of my ancestry is divided up from Scotland, amongst the Scots-Irish, and the rest from Germany with a small amount of Jewish ancestry mixed in as well.

Of my Native American ancestry, the majority of it is from the Chiricahua Apache (1/8). The minority is from the Cherokee (3/32).

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Message 604337 - Posted: 16 Jul 2007, 1:39:53 UTC

A fellow mutt,

German
French
Irish
Samoan
Japanese
And a pinch of Jewish for good luck.


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