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Message 548686 - Posted: 18 Apr 2007, 19:32:22 UTC

It's been several years since I have participated in this project. Back in 2000, SETI was available for OpenVMS AlphaServers and Workstations. I ran it at work (MCI) on several systems and generated more output in a day than your puny unix and windows boxes could in a week.
I personally have two AlphaServer 4100s, with a total of 7 EV5 400Mhz and 466MHz processors with 3GB of RAM each. Dosent sound like much? I'll lay my number crunching power against anything available retail today.
Can I get source code to generate a SETI program for these and start to produce for the project in a realistic way? Can I get the old OpenVMS SETI software someplace, and do you still support it?

What's wrong with you guys? We call it "Open"VMS for a reason. Or does it inherent stability and security scare you?

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Message 548704 - Posted: 18 Apr 2007, 20:22:48 UTC
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Hi Marco,

have you already tried this side?

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[Edit]You may also find a suitable BOINC client here: SETI Enhanced binaries for other Platforms [/Edit]
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Message 548709 - Posted: 18 Apr 2007, 20:29:40 UTC

SETI is OPEN SOURCE, build it yourself. The handful of people here doing the development are too busy to build it for every operating system out there, so they allow you to do it yourself.

Your attitude about SETI owing you a version for your OS is wrong. They are underfunded, and just can not hire a ton of people to write software for everyone. They welcome people porting it to other OSs.



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Message 548759 - Posted: 18 Apr 2007, 22:55:00 UTC

Seems that English has changed some, "Owing?" Not implied. SETI is run out of a school which receives federal and state funds. Students do most of the work.

But, as to Owing? I expect nothing and want nothing from the government other than then to keep their collective noses out of my business.

I have access to any compiler I may need for AXP OpenVMS code to get compiled and linked. All I would need is good error free POSIX compliant source code, that will compile on my Alpha's and I will be happy to donate all the free CPU time I have to the project in search of some intelligent life (there certainly isn't any here). :)

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Message 548778 - Posted: 18 Apr 2007, 23:44:57 UTC

SETI is NOT government funded, and no longer receives federal grants. They only work off private donations and grants. Nothing government behind it. So you can drop that misconception.

Your message was very harsh, so I replied in the same tone. SETI was only kept around because BOINC got a grant to be created and maintained. BOINC needed a testbed, and SETI became that. SETI almost closed, until BOINC came to fruition.

So, SETI itself has no time or money to build software for everyone. They may not even have machines to test what you want. Since they are on the edge of closing (still), they are not writing things they do not have money to test on. They allowed it open source for those who can. Write it yourself, or find one already written, or find a group of people who will help.

Please read the Technical News forums, the Staff Blog forums, etc. and get an idea what is going on behind the scenes, and what is important, etc. They are trying to get the sciences to a new height, adding on new antennas, etc.



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Message 548799 - Posted: 19 Apr 2007, 1:01:48 UTC - in response to Message 548759.  

Seems that English has changed some, "Owing?" Not implied. SETI is run out of a school which receives federal and state funds. Students do most of the work.


This is actually not true. SETI is run by private donations only, through corporations or through user donations.

If you go by the relative definition for "student", then yes, all five people who man SETI are students of science. But no, they do not have interns or undergrads doing any of their work.
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Message 548841 - Posted: 19 Apr 2007, 2:57:49 UTC

How to build BOINC is here. How to build SETI is available here. Both are open source. Not all projects that can be run through BOINC are open source - that is a project by project decision.

You did indicate the capability to generate the code from the source. If you do succeed in getting the port working, please make it available to others. You might also be able to get the modifications needed for the port checked in to the official build - but you are going to have to wrap them in #ifdefs to have a hope of doing that.

In any case, you may discover that someone else has done the port already.

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Message 548866 - Posted: 19 Apr 2007, 4:23:45 UTC

I'll give it my best shot. I'm not a C programmer in the least. Fortran, Cobol, BASIC, FOCAL and ADA are all I konw.
and Of course, if I get it to work, I will post it for the rest of the OpenVMS Alpha users out there to use. There are a lot of Alpha users out there running VMS, and I know from experience just what these number crunching systems can do.

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Message 548963 - Posted: 19 Apr 2007, 11:22:14 UTC - in response to Message 548866.  

I'll give it my best shot. I'm not a C programmer in the least. Fortran, Cobol, BASIC, FOCAL and ADA are all I konw.
and Of course, if I get it to work, I will post it for the rest of the OpenVMS Alpha users out there to use. There are a lot of Alpha users out there running VMS, and I know from experience just what these number crunching systems can do.

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Message 549503 - Posted: 20 Apr 2007, 10:34:01 UTC
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As the Pooh Bear and John said, Berkeley has no resources to do the porting to the non mainstream OSes. The most ports to other OSes are now made by volunteers.

A long time ago, I have tried to find some volunteers which try to port it to VMS.
Some peoples has tried to port SETI 4.x on VMS, but I never get any awnser from them about success, also there is no VMS system listed in the stats site.
The most problems, was a lot of VMS specific problems. There also some postings in the fourms about this toppic...
If you have questions/problems at the port, feel free to contact me, too.
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Message 549529 - Posted: 20 Apr 2007, 11:27:26 UTC

Searched a little bit around the old VMS threads :

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=31531&nowrap=true#436727 and following post
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=21023

http://www.openvmsplanet.org/community/viewtopic.php?t=8&view=next&sid=9cc14ff00791ed79bc3df75760bf5e40
http://www.unixadmintalk.com/f17/no-more-seti-vms-212074/
http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1024122&admit=-682735245+1177067552911+28353475

I recommend you to start with gcc, I had a lot of troubles to compile BOINC and SETI with cxx at TRU64.
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