WOW!!!

Interesting!!!

Makes me thirsty.

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Just imagine how thirsty you get when you look at the worlds largest moonshinestiller ;-)

lol

:)

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HHO energy simply takes the Hydrogen out of the water and the exhaust is water vapor, so the water goes right back into the air.

I'm for any renewable energy source though. I'm sure farmers could use the revenue from ethynol!

:)

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Chevy's Got the Beat

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/new_york_auto_show_2007/138/Chevy-s-Got-the-Beat/

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And they say HHO is too hard to make...


Cheap HHO Cells ( hydrogen ) Gas from Water:

Link




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It Runs on Water (Free Energy - 1995)

50 min 18 sec

Movie Link


On Sunday, 17 December 1995, viewers in U.K. saw an hour-long T V. program which, at long last, puts across the clear message that "free energy" is on the way.

In the opening stages Arthur C. Clarke explained how there were four stages in the way scientists react to the development of anything of a revolutionary nature. "Free energy" was now working its way through these four stages of reaction, which were:

a: "It's nonsense," b: "It is not important," c: "I always said it was a good idea," and d: "I thought of it first."

The scene moved to Rome, Georgia where Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. demonstrated the assembly and operation of a "hydrosonic water pump" which operated over-unity by producing hot water or steam with energy in excess of the electrical energy input to the pump motor. "Over-unity" was confirmed by satisfied customers, including the Albany Fire Station, where engineers from the "local university" and the "local power company" had been called in to verify the over-100% efficiency.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

It Runs on Water (Free Energy - 1995)

50 min 18 sec

Movie Link


On Sunday, 17 December 1995, viewers in U.K. saw an hour-long T V. program which, at long last, puts across the clear message that "free energy" is on the way.

In the opening stages Arthur C. Clarke explained how there were four stages in the way scientists react to the development of anything of a revolutionary nature. "Free energy" was now working its way through these four stages of reaction, which were:

a: "It's nonsense," b: "It is not important," c: "I always said it was a good idea," and d: "I thought of it first."

The scene moved to Rome, Georgia where Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. demonstrated the assembly and operation of a "hydrosonic water pump" which operated over-unity by producing hot water or steam with energy in excess of the electrical energy input to the pump motor. "Over-unity" was confirmed by satisfied customers, including the Albany Fire Station, where engineers from the "local university" and the "local power company" had been called in to verify the over-100% efficiency.

LET'S PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE: disassociation of water into water into hydrogen and oxygen takes a lot of energy. It takes more energy than you get back by burning it--especially in a carnot cycle (or similar) heat engine. That's OK if the original energy source to create the hydrogen is free or damn cheap--maybe sunlight or wind energy. Most likely though, to get massive and efficient processes to create hydrogen we would need to turn to nuclear power and lots of it. None of these sources are truly "free" due to the high cost of creating the infrastructure to convert the "FREE" energy source into a more useful form of fuel--electricity or hydrogen.

A process can only be "more than 100% efficient" if energy is brought into the boundaries of the process from outside --for instance, an air conditioner or heat pump can easily be 300% efficient since the "extra" BTU's are pumped in from the atmosphere. If you used a fan to blow cool air into into your hot kitchen you could also exceed 100% efficiency. I seriously doubt, however, that the laws of Physics are suspended for this particular scheme. Belief in this fiction and perpetual motion machines pesist --just as belief in UFO's or an anthropomorhic diety in many forms also persist.

Speaking of useful--Hydrogen as a gas or liquid would be hard to handle. transport, store and dispense. Chemists would have to come up with a way to liquify (at normal temperatures) this energy source into an "ersatz gasoline". All the better if this new fuel form could go into pipelines and fuel tanks as they now exist.

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It Runs on Water (Free Energy - 1995)

50 min 18 sec

Movie Link


On Sunday, 17 December 1995, viewers in U.K. saw an hour-long T V. program which, at long last, puts across the clear message that "free energy" is on the way.

In the opening stages Arthur C. Clarke explained how there were four stages in the way scientists react to the development of anything of a revolutionary nature. "Free energy" was now working its way through these four stages of reaction, which were:

a: "It's nonsense," b: "It is not important," c: "I always said it was a good idea," and d: "I thought of it first."

The scene moved to Rome, Georgia where Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. demonstrated the assembly and operation of a "hydrosonic water pump" which operated over-unity by producing hot water or steam with energy in excess of the electrical energy input to the pump motor. "Over-unity" was confirmed by satisfied customers, including the Albany Fire Station, where engineers from the "local university" and the "local power company" had been called in to verify the over-100% efficiency.

I watched this and another movie on the hydro-sonic pump. Here's what I think is happening . The device generates steam via a pump that is driven by an electric motor. After the device comes up to full operating temperature and steam production the motor speed (and input power) is reduced and then the output energy is compared to the input energy. The reason that this shows more than 100% (if it does) is that energy is stored in the prior warm up and is then released during the measured time--sort of like a thermal battery. That is the only explanation possible assuming that the measurements and the stated results are accurate. If the period of time were long for the measurements say an hour or more after the device were up to full output then i bet the ratio would be well below 100%. Their motor was quite small one that would not have a terribly high efficiency due to the reistance and other losses associated with smaller amounts of copper in the windings. I would think that this would be obvious to the inventor and any knowledgeable patent examiner or university physics or electrical engineering professor.

The hot water heaters could not exceed the efficiency of an ordinary electric water heater which is nearly 100% efficient. If there were a true reduction in the electric bill after installing one of the hydro-sonic pumps then it is because it is used in demand mode and the use of hot water is infrequent followed by long periods of no hot water use. In other words the heat lost to the ambient room in a continuously hot water heater is avoided since water is heated only as it is used.

An easy way to answer the question is to have the steam output run through a set of vanes to drive the input motor. if it blows up or hits a governor stop then you have more than 100% --if it slowly runs down and stops then you have less than 100%--any bets ??

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcy3JbGjQwo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIgOn1kRw5s

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=660759158947266385&hl=en

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

It Runs on Water (Free Energy - 1995)

50 min 18 sec

Movie Link


On Sunday, 17 December 1995, viewers in U.K. saw an hour-long T V. program which, at long last, puts across the clear message that "free energy" is on the way.

In the opening stages Arthur C. Clarke explained how there were four stages in the way scientists react to the development of anything of a revolutionary nature. "Free energy" was now working its way through these four stages of reaction, which were:

a: "It's nonsense," b: "It is not important," c: "I always said it was a good idea," and d: "I thought of it first."

The scene moved to Rome, Georgia where Jim Griggs of Hydrodynamics, Inc. demonstrated the assembly and operation of a "hydrosonic water pump" which operated over-unity by producing hot water or steam with energy in excess of the electrical energy input to the pump motor. "Over-unity" was confirmed by satisfied customers, including the Albany Fire Station, where engineers from the "local university" and the "local power company" had been called in to verify the over-100% efficiency.

A steam locomotive also "runs on water" PLUS a primary source of energy.

The firehouse boys didn't "verify" over unity. They would have no way of doing this. They stated that their Electric bill went down substantially. If this is true then it may well be due to on-demand usage of infrequently used hot water.

The Professor who came to the Rome operation said that the measurement logs were inadequately kept and documented. He was probably being polite by not being more critical of the inventors.

The story is 12 years old --where are the countless products which would be derived from a free energy source--where can I buy a generator and sell electricity back to the power company. Perhaps this is being suppressed by Big Coal interests ??

The story is 12 years old --where are the countless products which would be derived from a free energy source--where can I buy a generator and sell electricity back to the power company. Perhaps this is being suppressed by Big Coal interests ??

Big Oil.

Coal if you live in China, etc...

I am not claiming HHO is free enegry. Rather, an alternate energy.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

The story is 12 years old --where are the countless products which would be derived from a free energy source--where can I buy a generator and sell electricity back to the power company. Perhaps this is being suppressed by Big Coal interests ??

Big Oil.

Coal if you live in China, etc...

I am not claiming HHO is free enegry. Rather, an alternate energy.

\\Oxyhydrogen, at normal temperature and pressure, can explode when it is between about 4% and 95% hydrogen by volume.


Controversial claims

[edit]HHO gas
HHO gas or Klein gas is an oxyhydrogen mixture made by water electrolysis and has been trademarked Aquygen by the firm Hydrogen Technology Applications.
Unverified doubtful claims [7] have been made about the properties of "HHO gas", claiming as basis an unproven new state of matter called "magnegases" [2] and an unproven theory about "magnecules".
[edit]Brown's gas
Comparably doubtful claims have also been made about the properties of Brown's gas; while many of the claims are treated with skepticism there are none quite as controversial as those pertaining to magnecules. Over all, Brown's gas has aspects of science and pseudoscience, and apparent hoaxes.
Yull Brown claims
Atomic welding: "An electric arc is passed through the mixture of gas before burning, so that the gas molecules break into atomic oxygen and hydrogen, using the electrical energy to produce a hotter flame when the atoms recombine" ("218,000 cal. per gram mole").
That his common ducted electrolyzer design "relates to welding, brazing or the like utilizing a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen generated in substantially stoichiometric proportions in an electrolytic cell by electrolytic dissociation of water" [3]
Other Sourced Claims
Varying flame temperature [4]; but this apparent effect has been explained as due to inaccurate infrared thermometry [5]
An implosion (rather than explosion) effect; but this could be due to the resulting steam quickly condensing on the sides of the reaction chamber. [6]
[edit]References

^1 a b William Augustus Tilden. Chemical Discovery and Invention in the Twentieth Century. Adamant Media Corporation, 80. ISBN 0543916464.
^ 2 R. M. Santilli, A. K. Aringazin (December 20, 2001). "Structure and Combustion of Magnegases". Hadronic Journal (27): p. 299-330. arXiv:physics/0112066.
^ 3US4,014,777 (PDF version) (1977-03-29) Yull Brown Welding
^4 Rodgers, Will, Clearwater man puts technology to work., Tampa Tribune. Retrieved 6 June 2007. (highlight)
^5 Don Lancaster. "Investigating Brown's gas, a tiny TV generator, and more", Electronics Now, 1998-02, pp. 22.
^6 Oh, Hung-Kuk (1999-10-15). "Some comments on implosion and Brown gas". Journal of Materials Processing Technology 95 (1-3): 8-9.
This article incorporates text from the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition, a publication now in the public domain.

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Thank you, William Rothamel.

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Rewind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmlLqkUHd0


Buy an HHO welder:

http://hytechapps.com/


HHO Cars coming soon to a city near you:

http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C8115/


Buy an HHO generator:

http://www.magdrivehydro-gen.com/

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MrGray,

you are right. I believe that the videos are true, but the industial guys would loose too much money, and thats why there is no pulbic interest,as it is not published enough. i mean obviously we would have to use salt water, in order not to run out of water, but appart from that iam very excited about this.

I could be wrong but there are a couple of companies I found selling these devices using a simple google search for HHO welder, HHO generator, e&c.

See below if your joining us late.


Here is a guy making hho showing us how safe it can be while used as an fuel additive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si4NcbxpOWI

If these guys can make it in their garage then I wonder what the hold up is on mass production.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

If these guys can make it in their garage then I wonder what the hold up is on mass production.

Belief is a big one. These things all seem to violate the laws of physics. That means most established scientists and companys hardly even look at them before dismissing them. That is also why I am very sceptical myself. In fact I think one of the fuel additive devices listed below was busted on the mythbusters show.

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BOINCing since 2002/12/8

OH no! They use DHMO!
That's DANGEROUS!

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If these guys can make it in their garage then I wonder what the hold up is on mass production. :)

Another thing that was VERY interesting, to me anyway, was the guy, in Europe, that made a plactic car, which is why it won't be coming to the US, that madea vehicle run on compressed air. He has 2 compressed air cylinders under the vehicle and filles it up at the local gas station air pump. NO other kind of fuel required. Basically they run the normal gasoline engine in a closed environment, pumping the air thru the air intake which forces the pistons, etc to move powering the vehicle. They have several models from 2 seaters, of course, to larger 4 seaters. Here is a link to one of the companies http://auto.howstuffworks.com/air-car.htm It is up and running NOW so you can go out and buy one right now!!!! Of course something has to compress the air in the first place so it is not totally green. But it is a whole lot closer than my car!! There are ideas to use sunlight to run the compressor that you plug into to fill up the onboard air tanks. There are also thoughts on how to use a compressor on board to extend the range beyond a few hundred miles, but that is not an option yet.

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