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Scary Capitalist Send message Joined: 21 May 01 Posts: 7404 Credit: 97,085 RAC: 0 |
Too bad he wasn't the worst of them to be met with a noose. Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! |
Scary Capitalist Send message Joined: 21 May 01 Posts: 7404 Credit: 97,085 RAC: 0 |
His lawyer is stating that if he had NOT been convicted of this Saddam Hussein would still have had a chance at the next trial of the murders of 5,000 others...and his execution was therefore unfair. ====No comment necessary. ps ----first to post he was dead..heheee. Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! |
Knightmare Send message Joined: 16 Aug 04 Posts: 7472 Credit: 94,252 RAC: 0 |
His lawyer is stating that if he had NOT been convicted of this Saddam Hussein would still have had a chance at the next trial of the murders of 5,000 others...and his execution was therefore unfair. Leave it to a defense lawyer to come up with logic like that...lol I agree with you R/B...good riddance. Air Cold, the blade stops; from silent stone, Death is preordained Calm Chaos Forums : Everyone Welcome |
BODLEY Send message Joined: 19 Oct 06 Posts: 725 Credit: 130,841 RAC: 0 |
His lawyer is stating that if he had NOT been convicted of this Saddam Hussein would still have had a chance at the next trial of the murders of 5,000 others...and his execution was therefore unfair. Whilst I will never agree that Saddam was never anything but a bloodthirsty tyrant who deserved to be brought to justice, can you REALLY say that his trial was "fair". George Bush said that this morning. I wonder if his view would be changed if HE was the subject of such a travesty of justice. Surely a deaf-blind mute could have worked out that the Court was "stacked" and that Saddam had no chance at all from the word "go". If that is so, and if such is the new justice system under the new "democracy" imposed on Iraq by America - where on earth is the end [reason] for a Court System at all? I happen to believe that no man has the right to take another human's life. No way, not for ANY reason. All it shows is that those who do are no better than the criminals they put to death. [edit] ... reason |
GalaxyIce Send message Joined: 13 May 06 Posts: 8927 Credit: 1,361,057 RAC: 0 |
His lawyer is stating that if he had NOT been convicted of this Saddam Hussein would still have had a chance at the next trial of the murders of 5,000 others...and his execution was therefore unfair. We talked about a rapist being arrested in Ipswich UK earlier and knee capping him, and then found he was let go because they found the real rapist. But we all know Saddam is the real Tyrant. We all KNOW it. We are civilized and have asked the Iraqis to try him and carry out the punishment in a civilized way, their civilized way including hanging and capital punishment, but accepted by all as their 'civilized' way. I am happy with the outcome. I hope Saddam rots in hell. flaming balloons |
Dune_Finkleberry Send message Joined: 25 Feb 06 Posts: 6454 Credit: 198,656 RAC: 0 |
Too bad he wasn't the worst of them to be met with a noose. Yeah, now we'll have peace in the Middle East! LOL :^D Account frozen... |
BODLEY Send message Joined: 19 Oct 06 Posts: 725 Credit: 130,841 RAC: 0 |
I hope Saddam rots in hell. Well, of course, now that he is gone, I echo that sentiment. I still aver that the method of it all was simply NOT civilised - no matter WHICH way you cut the cards. To argue that it was their civilised way is a fatuous argument. For to argue that is to also call into question the main plank (after 3 re-tries for an excuse) of GWB's reason for going to war - to restore Democracy to Iraq. Iraq NEVER had Democracy ... EVER! Iraq came into being the same time as Jordan did - and by the same mandate. That mandate was the blue pencil of a man in the British Dominions office. I worked for him for 3 years ... and I know the facts of the matter. Nevertheless, Democracy ALSO demands a certain standard of behaviour of the Government calling itself a "Democracy". It also puts a great moral requirement on the Government IMPOSING that Democracy. The USA has singularly and signally failed in all of the tests for this. And, as Dune says, watch this space for peace ... !!!!! |
Daykay Send message Joined: 18 Dec 00 Posts: 647 Credit: 739,559 RAC: 0 |
Who cares about the legitimacy of the trial? Do you seriously believe that that man was ever going to get off lightly? Didn't matter who was in the jury or how the case was prevented. He's right up there as one of the most hated men of the modern era. The reasons are obvious and self-evident. I for one didn't need the ceremony of a trial in order to judge that the man was guilty of crimes against humanity. Traditionally (as in the case with Nazi's guilty of similar crimes) the punishment for these offences is to be hanged. The strange thing is that now that he has been executed he is no longer tried for the other cases against him. These cases could (in my opinion) still be tried (perhaps more fairly if you think it will make a difference) in order to reassert the correctness of the penalty already carried out. The few people who will miss the tyrant are those of a minority in a small middle eastern country thats global relevance has been very much overstated. Kolch - Crunching for the BOINC@Australia team since July 2004. Search for your own intelligence... |
BODLEY Send message Joined: 19 Oct 06 Posts: 725 Credit: 130,841 RAC: 0 |
Who cares about the legitimacy of the trial? Well you should, for one ... if you claim to be a civilised member of the human race. What would YOUR view be of a similar trial, with YOU as the culprit? Please don't give me and idiot replies like ... "nah ... if I was guilty, I would accept it". The fact is, you cannot cherry-pick civilised behaviour - i.e. take certain parts and leave the rest. My comments were, and allways will be biased to a loathing for Saddam - but IF we are civilised, even a loathsome creature like him should be treated by US (the supposed civilised Nations) in a way and in accordance with our "civilised" mores. And please don't make cheap jibes about "a country whose global significance has been overstated"! You just might get some replies of that nature back in regard to Australia. |
Hans Dorn Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 2262 Credit: 26,448,570 RAC: 0 |
He got what he deserved. I for one am happy that he didn't get a decade-long trial in The Hague, just to probably bail out for medical reasons in the end. Regards Hans P.S: Irak is not Europe or the U.S. His trial probably was fair by local standards. |
BODLEY Send message Joined: 19 Oct 06 Posts: 725 Credit: 130,841 RAC: 0 |
He got what he deserved. With respect, Europe, given its record is not in a position to judge what is fair or not. And the question of "fair or not" is NOT one that can be regionalised. Civilisation, I was led to believe is World - wide. |
mikey Send message Joined: 17 Dec 99 Posts: 4215 Credit: 3,474,603 RAC: 0 |
I hope Saddam rots in hell. I agree with you Bodley...the Trial was not in any way what we 'civilized' people would call a fair one. BUT it was as fair a Trial as possible under the circumstances at this point in time in Iraq. Hopefully future Trials in Iraq will move more and more towqards what we in the Western Civilized World think of as a 'Fair Trial'. The Judges did a job, the attorneys did a job, that under the circumstances was a place none wanted to be. There were several assination attempts against both Judges and the Attorneys. Saddam Hussein himself refused to behave as a Defendant should in a Trial, at least according to Western Standards. The ENTIRE Trial was televised to the whole World. The Judges findings were published, I do not know if it is publicly yet, and the finidings of guilt are supported by the Rules of Law. Saddam Hussein was tried and found guilty and hanged and is now dead. Hopefully now the Country of Iraq can move forward towards the Democracy all those dark blue fingers voted for a couple of years ago! |
Daykay Send message Joined: 18 Dec 00 Posts: 647 Credit: 739,559 RAC: 0 |
The trial was not unlike calling the ocean wet. It was a show. As was much of Saddam's ranting and shouting self defence. He knew he was guilty and that he would be sentenced to death and this can be seen in his calm acceptance of his fate. I don't even know what allegations, revelations or observations make the trail unfair but again it becomes irrelevant when you understand that the guilty man was found guilty, was executed accordingly, and no court in the world would have produced a different outcome. Kolch - Crunching for the BOINC@Australia team since July 2004. Search for your own intelligence... |
Hans Dorn Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 2262 Credit: 26,448,570 RAC: 0 |
He got what he deserved. True. I don't know how many people were unfairly sentenced to death, or just killed by their government today. Saddam doesn't deserve special (or fair) treatment any more than any of these people. It's a good thing he got judged in his own country IMO. Regards Hans |
Beethoven Send message Joined: 19 Jun 06 Posts: 15274 Credit: 8,546 RAC: 0 |
One has to wonder whether a people so stuck in the mud of violence can ever get themselves free and civilized. But the good news has to be found amongst the silent majority, and not amongst the violent minority. Aren't we expecting quick results in what has to be at least a 30 year process? It's too early to tell, but I wish the Iraqi people the best. In the meantime, I share in the great satisfaction that justice has been done, and that a terrible villain has been dethroned and hung. |
Daykay Send message Joined: 18 Dec 00 Posts: 647 Credit: 739,559 RAC: 0 |
Perhaps it might have been a help if the extra 20,000 - 30,000 troops that GW has been thinking about sending were there now in order to help curb some of the expected upsurge in violence. I would think that shutting down the violent acts would with time make them less frequent. Then you might hope (but why bother to pray) for a calmer, more workable Iraq. Kolch - Crunching for the BOINC@Australia team since July 2004. Search for your own intelligence... |
Scary Capitalist Send message Joined: 21 May 01 Posts: 7404 Credit: 97,085 RAC: 0 |
I don't know what to do still with Bodley... I've been pondering that dilemma for months now. What exactly IS A CIVILIZED method of execution? Is that what we are arguing over now? ahem! Oh...and before you gather your thoughts too much in protest. I'm against the death penalty too....but only for policy reasons. In other words, I mean we kill too many innocent people on the way to gutting the actual evil ones. In short, we're just not capable of carrying out an effective GENERAL death penalty. But in any given case? Sure....show me how to tie the knots. Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! |
Michael Send message Joined: 21 Aug 99 Posts: 4608 Credit: 7,427,891 RAC: 18 |
I don't know what to do still with Bodley... Heya R/B, like I said the other day...maybe instead of spending billions a day getting innocent people killed over in Iraq (not that Saddam is innocent), we could instead use that money on our Seti project(s). |
Scary Capitalist Send message Joined: 21 May 01 Posts: 7404 Credit: 97,085 RAC: 0 |
Hey, Mike. No. We're not going to be doing that. Those people 'over there' need a good killin'....and we know it. We can't be wasting money on this nonsense. There's still good kill targets over there, man. what's the matter with you? Last time I checked out of here you reported to me your motorcycle seat had not dislodged your scrotum. Don't worry though. I know a good surgeon. His name is 'TWO STICH MACK'. He'll fix you right up. Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! |
Michael Send message Joined: 21 Aug 99 Posts: 4608 Credit: 7,427,891 RAC: 18 |
Hey, Mike. We can just sit back and watch them kill each other...no need to waste our ammo, we need it for the next country we need to invade so we can wag the dog. *silly grin* |
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