> It has something to do with this link for sure.
> http://www.md-sites.com/scripts/anti_leech.html
> Ric made a joke to me. I didn' know what leech
> mean and I have translate (sangsue) but I am
> still missing the hole thing. Dogy still laughing
> on the floor. I am going crazy...

Leeching is when you hotlink to a file on someone's web page without permission. Often when people figure out you're doing this, (stealing their file and bandwidth) they replace the file with something embarassing.

> Leeching is when you hotlink to a file on someone's web page without
> permission.

Gdiuo is the classic example of this.

> Leeching is when you hotlink to a file on someone's web page without
> permission. Often when people figure out you're doing this, (stealing their
> file and bandwidth) they replace the file with something embarassing.

Many thanks Heffed. Now I can put all the posts together and understand
the joke they made.

> Gdiuo is the classic example of this.

Maybe I don't know but he's not a bad fellow.

Still working on the SNAP at Berkeley ?

> >
> If it is the fortran error, there is a work around (downlading a text file and
> replacing another project file) somewhere in this thread:
> http://www.climateprediction.net/board/viewtopic.php?t=2296
>

From CPDN:
"Notice: Unfortunately a problem in generating workunits occurred over the past few days, so incorrect Fortran namelist files were sent. If your new run crashed immediately, this is most likely why. Please 'Reset' the project to re-'Attach' and you should get a correct workunit. Sorry for the inconvenience!"

It's not a joke.

For every web server, everywhere, there is someone who pays for the electricity to run the server, and pays for the bandwidth.

When you link to a graphic on some other server (without permission) then you are stealing those resources.

I run a small ISP. Our connectivity provider gets paid before I get a dime. It's a serious issue.

> > Leeching is when you hotlink to a file on someone's web page without
> > permission. Often when people figure out you're doing this, (stealing
> their
> > file and bandwidth) they replace the file with something embarassing.
>
> Many thanks Heffed. Now I can put all the posts together and understand
> the joke they made.
>

> > Guido is the classic example of this.
> Maybe I don't know but he's not a bad fellow.

I'm not suggesting he is. Annoying often,very annoying sometimes and Ned Ludd is 100% correct- its no joke if you are paying for the bandwidth. I would rather images were not posted but if they are then I would suggest that the poster only link to messages on their own site. That would stop most people as they watch their bandwidth get drained.

Remember that even on "free" sites, somebody is paying for the bandwidth.

Places like Geocities make their money through advertising. Link an image without linking the ads and sooner or later the free sites will all go away.

> I'm not suggesting he is. Annoying often,very annoying sometimes and Ned Ludd
> is 100% correct- its no joke if you are paying for the bandwidth. I would
> rather images were not posted but if they are then I would suggest that the
> poster only link to messages on their own site. That would stop most people as
> they watch their bandwidth get drained.

Ok so when I've posted the PUZZLING audio link I was
"Leeching" palantir.net

God it took me long time to understand...

Actualy I am new to message board. I have never posted
before BOINC and I wasn't aware of this problem. We are
learning everyday. If I build a web site about amateur
radio and I want to post links to other amateur personal
web sites I need their authorisations otherwise I am Leeching.

Sounds logical now.

Thanks for the information
I did it just a few times but I will stop doing that now.

Friendly
Marc

> Thanks for the information
> I did it just a few times but I will stop doing that now.

I dont really think anybody will cut your danglies off for doing it once or twice - its the likes of Guido who need to be castrated. I'm sure hes a great guy etc etc but the sheer quantity of his picture posts is just not on IMHO

Mark and other please dont stop to put "fitting" images, they ARE part of the forum and gives a fresh "input", there is a reason, ucb openend this posibility. But the thingking of

"keep care when and for what using it" is a good advice

yes somebody has to pay the bill.


> Leeching

no joke. I do never make a joke, I'm serious.

everybody is right
..a server can have a certain amount of right now connected users, visiting a page. If more user requesting an access to the, in above case, a file, as the server can support, this also can result in > Leeching MESSAGE...



my very personal opinion, nobody has to share it, accepting evey other opinion

Guido is German. and he is basicely a good man. He has a good knowledge for reading english, but like me, having "problems" to write. Still also learning english, to put here in english. It's not everybody's thing to put on a "public" forum.

The images from Guido, as mentioned my opinion, are an other way to talk. I have never seen a "negativ" image from him, but not knowing every posting from him. Guido is a "class" for himself.

The amount, indeed, can be let open.

But we all are learning..

sometime, running rant, it's better to share a image instead to put words you would not use the next day

Mark, but as an HAM you are used to have "short-wave" rounds perhaps over tty, here it's nearly the same, just over typing *smile*, and the forums language is not morse code, it's plain english:

pbx, asx, transitioneer, rpcs, error during file transfer, no scheduler responded, openRegKey,Killsession, create Debug Level, SNAP Aliance 38000, cobblestone, FAT Corruption, RAC, WUs..... "I have 50/50", "you have 75/25"

not me, but "everybody" is understanding this language.....

ric

> If I build a web site about amateur
> radio and I want to post links to other amateur personal
> web sites I need their authorisations otherwise I am Leeching.

No, links to actual websites are fine. If the person doesn't want visitors, then they should not run a web site.

The problem is if on the website you create, you hotlink to a file on that website. By hotlink, I mean an embedded link that will open as a picture on your page (while actually drawing the image off another site) or even a quick link (such as the .wav link you posted earlier) to a file on another site. (without the owners permission)

Both of these methods are "sneaking in the backdoor". By visiting a site, the owner expects you to view these items, and should not be surprised by the bandwidth or resources used by visitors. But by linking, you are actually robbing them of the visitors and still using (leeching) the owners resources.

It's a bit like tapping into your neighbors electrical system. You are using his power, and making him pay for it.

Guido does this on a large scale. I think I have seen maybe one or two images out of all he posts, that he was actually hosting. Very uncool!

> > >
> > > Might be time to lower my SETI resource share... make the WUs
> last....
> > >
> > >
> > If I could actually get any WUs I'd do the same. Anybody else ready to
> go
> > back to "Classic"?
> >
> >Give Boinc time. They just went public and it takes time to smooth out
> problems that will pop up. I usually get 5 to 15 wu to work at a time. so that
> when they do go down I can still have several wu still working and waiting to
> be uploaded. The reason for Boinc is more wu from different projects will be
> able to be worked once they get it to all come togeather.Once astro pulse
> comes on line with work to do is when things will get interesting. With
> classic this would not happen. Hang in there.....Norman
>
>
Oh I'll give them time...Real and CPU...
Had simular issues back when classic was getting started. Put in 2 years of processor time with a K6 overclocked from 250 to a whopping 400...that's just sad. Now if I could only remember the email and password I used for those credits...sigh...

by the by what is astropulse? You've peaked my intrest

> by the by what is astropulse? You've peaked my intrest

Astropulse uses the same data S@H uses, but for a different purpose. They are looking for evaporated black holes.

They were undergoing beta testing quite some time ago, (in fact, BOINC/S@H beta was listed in the GUI as "Astropulse") but the project was put on hold.

Rumor is that it is getting rolling again.

> > If I build a web site about amateur
> > radio and I want to post links to other amateur personal
> > web sites I need their authorisations otherwise I am Leeching.
>
> No, links to actual websites are fine. If the person doesn't want visitors,
> then they should not run a web site.
>
> The problem is if on the website you create, you hotlink to a file on that
> website. By hotlink, I mean an embedded link that will open as a picture on
> your page (while actually drawing the image off another site) or even a quick
> link (such as the .wav link you posted earlier) to a file on another site.
>

By posting a link "directly" to the sound file no one view the front
page and the advertising therefore using palantir.net bandwith with
no "gain" for this web sites. It's very clear now.

That's why I was so confused last night... I had no idea of all this.

Thanks again

> Mark, but as an HAM you are used to have "short-wave" rounds perhaps over tty,
> here it's nearly the same, just over typing *smile*, and the forums language
> is not morse code, it's plain english:
>
> pbx, asx, transitioneer, rpcs, error during file transfer, no scheduler
> responded, openRegKey,Killsession, create Debug Level, SNAP Aliance 38000,
> cobblestone, FAT Corruption, RAC, WUs..... "I have 50/50", "you have 75/25"
>
> not me, but "everybody" is understanding this language.....
>
> ric

I was millions miles away and didn't made any association of your
*SMILE* with RTTY. I was so confused you cannot imagine ! But what
really confused me the most was Dogbytes dog. I was trying really
hard to understand all this. I am laughing now but it really puzzled
me for many hours. Ouf...

Friendly
Marc

Oh BTW what would be the wourst consequence if all the data on the SNAP
are lost ?

-.-. --.- -.. -..- . - --... ...-- .-.-. -.-

> Oh BTW what would be the wourst consequence if all the data on the SNAP
> are lost ?

A Snap engineer would have to make an emergency visit to the local hospital to have a black Snap Appliance 1800 box removed from one of his or her (to be politically correct) orifices.

Oh no sorry.... that was the best consequence

> > Oh BTW what would be the wourst consequence if all the data on the SNAP
> > are lost ?
>
> A Snap engineer would have to make an emergency visit to the local hospital to
> have a black Snap Appliance 1800 box removed from one of his or her (to be
> politically correct) orifices.
>
> Oh no sorry.... that was the best consequence

lol that's a good one.
I am asking because I still have about 10 wu process and I would keep
my laptop cool during the weekend if I knew they would be lost anyway.
I am just trying to avoid it if possible. The only person who could
actually confirm or refut my concerns is Rom but he must be very busy
now. I have checked SNAP APP web site and they are located in CA so it
shouldn't be too long before we have an updated news. Maybe tommorow.

> A Snap engineer would have to make an emergency visit to the local hospital to
> have a black Snap Appliance 1800 box removed from one of his or her (to be
> politically correct) orifices.

this sounds good.. perhaps they need more than one room.


> > Oh BTW what would be the wourst consequence if all the data on the SNAP
> > are lost ?
>
--> much more free space for db and the up/download area, good response time.

If there isn't any project running due of "no data", there isn't any load
and the snap could keep stable. disabling user access would turn off the last possible risk.

Ahh! no Data means no data= no access control!

Then perhaps we can get a free space from the snap anywhere, to put our images and sound collection, backups and more to the snap using it as a huge remote drive

New Project emerging, Files&backup@boinc