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ebahapo Send message Joined: 2 Jun 99 Posts: 31 Credit: 452,292 RAC: 0 |
Now that the AMD64 platform is somehow supported, would you consider supporting windows_amd64 similarly? Thanks. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13736 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Unlikely as there are no benefits to writing a specifically 64bit programme. AFAIK the current 32bit version runs under most of the presently available 64bit OSes without problems. Grant Darwin NT |
ebahapo Send message Joined: 2 Jun 99 Posts: 31 Credit: 452,292 RAC: 0 |
Now that the AMD64 platform is somehow supported, would you consider supporting windows_amd64 similarly? HashClash now supports AMD64 on Windows with a 32-bit application... |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
In the past I've run the BOINC client without problems on Windows 64 and 64-Vista using the existing clients. I don't know that a specific XP 64 (waste of time there), or Vista 64 client makes that much sense. The existing clients also seem to play well with the true dual CPU processors (both AMD and Intel). Now that the AMD64 platform is somehow supported, would you consider supporting windows_amd64 similarly? |
ebahapo Send message Joined: 2 Jun 99 Posts: 31 Credit: 452,292 RAC: 0 |
FWIW, running two instances of the client, one the 32-bit client, the other, the 64-bit client, on the same 4-core system, but limiting each client to 2 cores, I can compare the relative performance of 32-bit and 64-bit SIMAP's HMMER: the 64-bit version is about 7% faster. By enabling vectorization (supported by default on AMD64), the SIMAP developers observed other 8% improvement. Bottom line: porting the project application to AMD64 has the potential to improve performance by 15%! |
Sir Ulli Send message Joined: 21 Oct 99 Posts: 2246 Credit: 6,136,250 RAC: 0 |
FWIW, running two instances of the client, one the 32-bit client, the other, the 64-bit client, on the same 4-core system, but limiting each client to 2 cores, I can compare the relative performance of 32-bit and 64-bit SIMAP's HMMER: the 64-bit version is about 7% faster. just for Info, where you get the 64 Bit Version of Simap Hmmer this will be interestink.... Greetings from Germany NRW Ulli |
Crunch3r Send message Joined: 15 Apr 99 Posts: 1546 Credit: 3,438,823 RAC: 0 |
In the past I've run the BOINC client without problems on Windows 64 and 64-Vista using the existing clients. I don't know that a specific XP 64 (waste of time there), or Vista 64 client makes that much sense. It does in some cases.
It does but why running the client & app. in WOW64 emulation if one can get a native 64 bit boinc and s@h application ?!? Join BOINC United now! |
ebahapo Send message Joined: 2 Jun 99 Posts: 31 Credit: 452,292 RAC: 0 |
just for Info, where you get the 64 Bit Version of Simap Hmmer All one has to do is to run the AMD64 BOINC client and it'll be automatically downloaded (see this). HTH |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65745 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
just for Info, where you get the 64 Bit Version of Simap Hmmer If You like Linux, I like Windows XP x64 and agree with Crunch3r on this. As any new crunchers will use XP x64 only. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
ebahapo Send message Joined: 2 Jun 99 Posts: 31 Credit: 452,292 RAC: 0 |
If You like Linux, I like Windows XP x64 and agree with Crunch3r on this. As any new crunchers will use XP x64 only. That's why I've suggested the support of the windows_amd64 platform as well. |
Crunch3r Send message Joined: 15 Apr 99 Posts: 1546 Credit: 3,438,823 RAC: 0 |
If You like Linux, I like Windows XP x64 and agree with Crunch3r on this. As any new crunchers will use XP x64 only. I don't see a need for a "windows_amd64 platform". I do run a native 64 bit boinc and seti application on WinXP64 and it works well. Join BOINC United now! |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65745 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
If You like Linux, I like Windows XP x64 and agree with Crunch3r on this. As any new crunchers will use XP x64 only. I think You are confused slightly, I'm talking about the OS, You sound like You're talking about the cpu which I'm not. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
ebahapo Send message Joined: 2 Jun 99 Posts: 31 Credit: 452,292 RAC: 0 |
No, I'm talking about the OS, Windows x64 whose BOINC platform is windows_amd64, much like the BOINC platform for Windows x86 is windows_intelx86. HTH |
ebahapo Send message Joined: 2 Jun 99 Posts: 31 Credit: 452,292 RAC: 0 |
I don't see a need for a "windows_amd64 platform". I do run a native 64 bit boinc and seti application on WinXP64 and it works well. If all you run is SETI or you don't mind messing with app_info.xml files, then it's for you. Given that AMD64 systems running a 64-bit OS is far more common than Solaris/SPARC or Mac/x86, I don't understand why the BOINC community is dragging its feet supporting AMD64... Ever since I started suggesting the support of AMD64, 3 projects have decided to support it, one of them in full production status. I apologize for being such a nag, but it makes sense and it's about time. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65745 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Then please start calling the OS XP x64, As that is what the OS is called, is known by and as It's entitled by MS, As You're slightly confusing two different terms, as AMD64 is used by Linux distros and by AMD, Not by Microsoft or Its Windows XP x64 OS... XP x64 does of course run on the AMD64 and EM64T cpus/chipsets. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
ebahapo Send message Joined: 2 Jun 99 Posts: 31 Credit: 452,292 RAC: 0 |
Then please start calling the OS XP x64, As that is what the OS is called, is known by and as It's entitled by MS, As You're slightly confusing two different terms, as AMD64 is used by Linux distros and by AMD, Not by Microsoft or Its Windows XP x64 OS... That's the name of the ISA and as I'm advocating support for this ISA on several OS'es, I prefer to continue using AMD64 meaning all AMD64 OS'es. Thanks. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65745 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Then please start calling the OS XP x64, As that is what the OS is called, is known by and as It's entitled by MS, As You're slightly confusing two different terms, as AMD64 is used by Linux distros and by AMD, Not by Microsoft or Its Windows XP x64 OS... Well according to Microsoft(Who owns the Legal Copyright to the OS, There is no such OS as "Windows AMD64", Just "Windows XP Professional x64" as It says on the plastic box that holds My OEM CD(White print on a Blue background with a Green start button in the lower left hand corner). The XP x64 OS runs on more than just AMD64 type cpus, It also runs on EM64T Intel cpus/chipsets, Such as the Conroe, woodcrest cpus(there might be a few more cpu types) and the i975X and the iP965 chipsets(775) and of course the 771 chipsets for the woodcrest type cpus(there might be a few more chipsets too). So far It's just an AMD and Intel club, Unless Via or someone else has a 64 bit cpu. ISA? The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Crunch3r Send message Joined: 15 Apr 99 Posts: 1546 Credit: 3,438,823 RAC: 0 |
If there should be a platform added due to win xp64 it should be called (the application for example) windows_intelx86_64 and nothing else. Join BOINC United now! |
ebahapo Send message Joined: 2 Jun 99 Posts: 31 Credit: 452,292 RAC: 0 |
If there should be a platform added due to win xp64 it should be called (the application for example) Sorry, it is already defined as windows_amd64 by other projects. |
ebahapo Send message Joined: 2 Jun 99 Posts: 31 Credit: 452,292 RAC: 0 |
Well according to Microsoft(Who owns the Legal Copyright to the OS, There is no such OS as "Windows AMD64" Microsoft can call it anything it wants in its products, the name of the ISA (Instruction Set Architecture) still is AMD64. If all you have to say is about such picayunes, please, feel free to ignore this thread, it's not for you. |
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