Kick all Seti.USA from the BOINC apps ...as they dont share :/
All optimised apps should be available to all crunchers ...otherwise ...those that hold back apps from the rest of us ...have no place here ...
We are supposed to be one big happy family are we not ... ?
Remember the old Sci Fi TV that shows ET arriving ...only to be greeted with a barrage of weapons >
Sounds familiar ?
Seti.USA ...
release that optimised proggy to all

You know we could just join their 'clique', get the optimised version and then quit and release it to everyone! What are they gonna do, call Berkeley? NO I AM NOT suggesting anyone do this...but I do agree, if SetiUSA wants money to cover their overhead, they should stand up and ask for it, like a Team that actually cares about the SCIENCE, not one that only cares about credits!!!
I sincerely hope Eric, Rom and David, etc, are reading this thread!
Schoolyard actions are NOT for reputable Teams!

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BOOYA!
It took just 3 people.

The license cost for Windows ICC and IPP is completely covered. All this without asking for any donation. It's good people can still surprise me! Expect release versions as soon as I can manage to get a licensed copy.

Can I just say you guys and gals are amazing?
You left me speechless.

Humble thanks and hats off to you!
Simon.

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This is a quote directly from the GPL, which is right on point.

"The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization. But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.

Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you."

Regards, Daniel.

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That is awesome about the donations.

The process shows up as "3" for me, but only if I run it as 'root'. If I run it as 'nobody' it terminates immediately. This is part of something to do with UPX.

I'm getting all my sse boxes up by hand un-upx-ing them, and we'll see soon how quick they are. :)

Thanks for your efforts.

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This is a quote directly from the GPL, which is right on point.

"The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization. But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.

Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you."

Regards, Daniel.

Learn something new every day :)
Still, this will be largely an academic issue in a few days, as everyone will have access to optimized Windows builds again.

Regards,
Simon.

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So I hope the uncompressed version will work for you :o)

Yep, works great - and looks to be quicker than I had hoped! Kudos

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BOOYA!
It took just 3 people.

The license cost for Windows ICC and IPP is completely covered. All this without asking for any donation. It's good people can still surprise me! Expect release versions as soon as I can manage to get a licensed copy.

Can I just say you guys and gals are amazing?
You left me speechless.

Humble thanks and hats off to you!
Simon.

Simon........I am ready with my check book or whatever if you need more for just in case things. I believe you have my email allready!

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Thank you, Geek@Play.
Right now, that's not necessary, but I'll keep you in mind :)

Unless my hosting provider pipes up about excess bandwidth usage (unlikely), no big cost generators should come up.
However, it's my plan to extend the supported platforms to FreeBSD (like Tetsuji suggested) and X86 OS X. Towards this end (I'll have to see what's what first), there might be added cost. If so, I'll pipe up.

Until then, any donations received I will pass on to Seti@Home.

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from contributing now :o)

Regards,
Simon.

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This is a quote directly from the GPL, which is right on point.

"The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization. But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.

Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you."

Regards, Daniel.

Learn something new every day :)
Still, this will be largely an academic issue in a few days, as everyone will have access to optimized Windows builds again.

Regards,
Simon.

Congrats on your accomplishments, Simon! I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors!!!

Regards, Daniel.

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Thank you Daniel :)
I wish you the same.

I forgot to name the second, non-anonymous sponsor of the licenses: Pam Heinze. Pam, you rock. So do you, Mr A. Nonymous - and thanks for all the helpful hints and words.

The third sponsor is me. As posted elsewhere, I pledged 200 Euros towards this purpose (~250 USD).

Regards,
Simon.

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P.S. @ KWSN
Is there a way to modify your benchmark script (brilliant bit'o'kit) to run the same unit twice at the same time? For the HT threading stuff I was babbling on about? thought the only really way to test it would be to put under boinc running conditions. Easyest way would be put into boinc after testing the app but then its difficult to be sure becasue of the WU's bieng wildly different at times.
Thanks for your added help by the way :) The How-To itself is brilliant but picking your brain too ;) Well you didn't have to answer all the often silly questions i had so thank you for that too

Again, you're welcome. Someone else on this forum said (I think it was Pappa) "the only stupid question is the one you carry away with you unasked". I thoroughly agree with him (as long as it's asked in a civil sort of way).

And that benchmark script is just a very simple bit of bash magic. I'm pretty sure it should be trivial to run both at the same time; I'll have to see if I can whip one up.
On Linux, anyway.

The one for Windows is even more basic - I'd like to have a better tool. I'm thinking about coding a very small app just for this purpose, maybe a .wsh or .vbs script or a compiled VisualBasic executable that automates testing and gives people things to click ;) Not very tough, and you can use the built-in timers to measure stuff.

Right now I'm waiting til my brother gets up, then I'm going to borrow his CC to order the Intel tools for Windows (I don't have one). Making a better test and validation package is on my to-do list, but as that's pretty full at the moment, it may take a few days.

Regards,
Simon.

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P.S. @ KWSN
Is there a way to modify your benchmark script (brilliant bit'o'kit) to run the same unit twice at the same time? For the HT threading stuff I was babbling on about? thought the only really way to test it would be to put under boinc running conditions. Easyest way would be put into boinc after testing the app but then its difficult to be sure becasue of the WU's bieng wildly different at times.
Thanks for your added help by the way :) The How-To itself is brilliant but picking your brain too ;) Well you didn't have to answer all the often silly questions i had so thank you for that too

Again, you're welcome. Someone else on this forum said (I think it was Pappa) "the only stupid question is the one you carry away with you unasked". I thoroughly agree with him (as long as it's asked in a civil sort of way).

And that benchmark script is just a very simple bit of bash magic. I'm pretty sure it should be trivial to run both at the same time; I'll have to see if I can whip one up.
On Linux, anyway.

Regards,
Simon.

I'm an idiot. Of coarse, can just duplicate the benchmark directories and open two command promps and run twice..(slap myself) Never occured to me. Thanks :)

Great to hear about the fund raiser. Happend so fast i slept threw it :) didn't get a chance to offer my few quid. Sorry can't offer much because going in for laser eye surgery tomorrow so wont be at the computer for a while. If you still have a use for a few extra £/$/Euro's should still be able to send a little.

Got the optiapp into boinc on the HT (standard SSE3 for now) and just waiting till finishes first results. Had something strange happen. Whenever load Boinc it says 'State file error: missing application file setiathome_5.15_windows_intelx86.exe" Isn't causing any problems. Its crunching away merrily.

I'm getting the same state file error on linux with the sse client, but it's working, just as you found, pepperammi. Hm.

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Did you guys delete the default cruncher?
Are you using an app_info.xml or did you rename the client? Please tell me more :)

Also, is this using the UPX-compressed version or the normal one (for Linux)?

In other news: the Windows development tools license is bought and paid for, I'm waiting for the email with the license files to arrive. Should be here within a few hours.

Regards,
Simon

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Hmm,

very funny, whoever tried to list my site as a pornographic one (somehow it got added to this blocklist). Thanks for telling me about this, Henning! Hard for me to notice as I don't use an URL blocker.

Now the fun part - the record/classification was created June 30. So it's really very recent, and that's most probably not an accident.

I'm amused...have contacted the site to remove this classification.
People, grow up :o)

Even so, the traffic figures are higher than I thought. Keep it up people :o)

Whoever cannot reach the site, please check your content blockers. You have my promise there is no offensive material on the site whatsoever.

Regards,
Simon.

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Did you guys delete the default cruncher?
Are you using an app_info.xml or did you rename the client? Please tell me more :)

Also, is this using the UPX-compressed version or the normal one (for Linux)?

In other news: the Windows development tools license is bought and paid for, I'm waiting for the email with the license files to arrive. Should be here within a few hours.

Regards,
Simon

It comes up on both my machines. Never noticed it on the first one :).
It isn't making any trouble. Only appears when start boinc. Says that same message three times then shuts up and it running fine. Results valid ect.

Both machine windows XP. compiled from your instructions. Havn't edited the client state file. Using app_info.xml and havent changed the name of the app. I renamed the app that was there and moved it somewhere safe just in case.It is a little wierd but i'm not worried about it this machine has been running for days and has returned several valid results no problem.

03/07/2006 13:03:11||Starting BOINC client version 5.4.9 for windows_intelx86
03/07/2006 13:03:11||libcurl/7.15.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8a zlib/1.2.3
03/07/2006 13:03:11||Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC
03/07/2006 13:03:11|SETI@home|Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
03/07/2006 13:03:11|SETI@home|State file error: missing application file setiathome_5.15_windows_intelx86.exe
03/07/2006 13:03:11|SETI@home|State file error: missing application file setiathome_5.15_windows_intelx86.exe
03/07/2006 13:03:11|SETI@home|State file error: missing application file setiathome_5.15_windows_intelx86.exe
03/07/2006 13:03:11||Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz
03/07/2006 13:03:11||Memory: 3.00 GB physical, 7.34 GB virtual
03/07/2006 13:03:11||Disk: 116.41 GB total, 31.25 GB free
03/07/2006 13:03:11|BBC Climate Change Experiment|URL: http://bbc.cpdn.org/; Computer ID: 22258; location: ; project prefs: default
03/07/2006 13:03:11|Einstein@Home|URL: http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID: 544023; location: home; project prefs: default
03/07/2006 13:03:11|SETI@home|URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID: 1774683; location: home; project prefs: default
03/07/2006 13:03:11||General prefs: from BBC Climate Change Experiment (last modified 2006-06-05 14:53:32)
03/07/2006 13:03:11||General prefs: using your defaults
03/07/2006 13:03:11||Local control only allowed
03/07/2006 13:03:11||Listening on port 31416
03/07/2006 13:03:11|BBC Climate Change Experiment|Resuming task hadcm3ln_7yr5_00610807_1 using hadcm3l version 508
03/07/2006 13:03:11|Einstein@Home|Deferring task h1_0658.5_S5R1__332_S5R1a_0
03/07/2006 13:03:11|SETI@home|Resuming task 08ap99aa.10739.14960.353398.3.115_2 using setiathome_enhanced version 519

I know it running as vserions 519. Was using Crunch3r's app and app_info file. I'm waiting to run cache out and i'll drop it down to 515 in app_info.

This is a quote directly from the GPL, which is right on point.

"The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization. But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.

Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you."

Regards, Daniel.

TOTALLY agree, but to say PUBLICLY, we have it and are not going to let you use it, is not in the best interest of everyone. To just acknowledge in the forum that they indeed have it, and then leave it at that, would have been better.
To try and explain that they have it and why they are not releasing it makes them look bad. I think it is a case of TMI, too much information.
Now they are stuck in a place that they look like credit whores and to heck with the rest of the people.

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Thank you, Geek@Play.
Right now, that's not necessary, but I'll keep you in mind :)
Unless my hosting provider pipes up about excess bandwidth usage (unlikely), no big cost generators should come up.
However, it's my plan to extend the supported platforms to FreeBSD (like Tetsuji suggested) and X86 OS X. Towards this end (I'll have to see what's what first), there might be added cost. If so, I'll pipe up.
Until then, any donations received I will pass on to Seti@Home.
I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from contributing now :o)
Regards,Simon.

PERSONALLY I think you SHOULD charge a nominal fee for the optimised version. It is YOUR time and effort, although it DOES seem to me that you are having fun doing this. And the rest of us will just jump on board your train after you have done all the hard work. And what about next year, when the licenses expire? Do you have to renew them every year? If so, why not just start a small fund and then yearly give back to Berkeley what you don't use? I am saying, or trying to say at least, thankyou for what you are doing, there are MANY of us out here that cannot do what you are doing, but will benefit from your work!
ALOT of us probably would be willing to donate similar to a shareware type program. You release it, we give if we want to. Some will give, some won't. You may just get the best of both worlds that way, enough money to fund the programs you need, Berkeley WILL BE updating the project and require more work on your part, and we users get an optimised version that let's us do more units in less time. Maybe ET is waiting in the next unit! Not likeley, but isn't that why we are all here?

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Since the client was used on BOINC, it was always going to be noticed. By pure chance, I got paired up with someone using Daniel Schaalma's client, so that's why I noticed and posted about it.

I had previously twice posted asking kevint (since he DID post that he bought the licenses but nothing after that) whether he planned to release anything to the public or not, but had not gotten an answer (even though kevint posted in the same time period in another thread). So I had to assume there was no info forthcoming.

So they did keep shtum, like you suggested (decided by a team vote, as SargeD explained). I just cannot agree that this would have been the better course of action. IMO, releasing that app to the public would have been the best one.

Too much info? Hardly. I cannot speak for others, but I can accept the decision to keep the client team-only much more easily than not even telling anyone about it at all. Seti.USA had to know it was only a matter of time until someone found out anyway - of course, hindsight is always 20/20.

Regards,
Simon.

P.S.: No. I will not charge anyone anything. Voluntary donations are another thing, but no, there will never be any charges required.

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TOTALLY agree, but to say PUBLICLY, we have it and are not going to let you use it, is not in the best interest of everyone. To just acknowledge in the forum that they indeed have it, and then leave it at that, would have been better.
To try and explain that they have it and why they are not releasing it makes them look bad. I think it is a case of TMI, too much information.
Now they are stuck in a place that they look like credit whores and to heck with the rest of the people.

It appears they truly have become credit whores.

One has to wonder also.....

How many credits must a Seti.USA member crunch for the team before they are 'permitted' to download the optimized apps?

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