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Message 11185 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 9:49:54 UTC

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After 4.559 years and 5613 results sent to Seti@Home"Classic" only to have that go south on me, and using BOINC for a few days and getting squat for work (if the server responds at all), I think it may be time to turn off my computers.
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BOINC sucks and I have lost interest with the whole thing.

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Message 11187 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 9:56:36 UTC - in response to Message 11185.

> -
> After 4.559 years and 5613 results sent to Seti@Home"Classic" only to have
> that go south on me, and using BOINC for a few days and getting squat for work
> (if the server responds at all), I think it may be time to turn off my
> computers.
> -
> BOINC sucks and I have lost interest with the whole thing.
>
>
I don't know whats going on here. No work - OK! Why are some people so painfull? Will you get money for your crunched WUs? No! Will others get money if they will crunch more WUs then you? No! Will others take over you in the rank list? No, because there no WUs at all! There are so much other things YOU can do then only looking around the Message Tab in BOINC! For example - do your primary work, backup your Systems, install Updates (and backup again), play with your childrens, read a Book or (my favourite) read all the Docs you can get about BOINC, S@H and P@H. After that you will be able to give Support to all the People who will convert to BOINC in the Future. This should free up the time for the Dev Team to fix current and further problems on BOINC.

Therefore - BE PATIENT, enjoy the live and wait...

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Message 11189 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 10:00:04 UTC

ich möchte ausdrücklich sagen das ich der sache mit gutem willen und optimismus gegenüber stehe aber
kann ich gut verstehen was er meint.
es wäre doch einfach mit dem harten kern der beta tester(so 100 leuten mit schnellen rechnern) zuerst die software richtig einem beta test zu unterziehen und nicht diesen halbfertige zumutung auf die leute loszulassen was nur frust erzeugt.
und aufzuhören in der ganzen welt rumzuposaunen wir starten ein fertiges projekt.
diese software(boinc) wird noch monate brauchen bei sehr optimistischer haltung bis sie serienreife erlangt.stop diesen schwachsinn und macht eure hausaufgaben in aller ruhe liebe berkeley leute.
gruss guido waldenmeier

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Message 11191 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 10:02:56 UTC - in response to Message 11189.

@Guido Neuer Account ??

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Message 11194 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 10:07:59 UTC - in response to Message 11185.

> -
> After 4.559 years and 5613 results sent to Seti@Home"Classic" only to have
> that go south on me, and using BOINC for a few days and getting squat for work
> (if the server responds at all), I think it may be time to turn off my
> computers.
> -
> BOINC sucks and I have lost interest with the whole thing.
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Whats wrong with just running Seti Classic until you can get work from BOINC, thats what I'm doing with my PC's, I run whatever I can get from the BOINC Projects & when I run out of work from there I just start up Seti Classic again.

There is going to be a final Snapshot of Seti Classic when they turn it off for good so you will get credited for any you run even if it doesn't show up now ...
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Message 11207 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 10:31:37 UTC - in response to Message 11189.
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@ guido waldenmeier


Es gibt aber kein richtiges Problem mit der Software ! Entweder ist der Server überlastet oder es gibt keine wu's...das ist ein Problem der Infrastruktur und kann nicht mal eben mit 100 Beta-Testern gelöst werden...

There is no problem with the software. Either the server is overloaded or there are no wu's... it's a problem with berkeley's infrastructure and can't be solved with 100 beta testers...

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Message 11229 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 11:00:50 UTC

@skep
mich wundert aber dann das der selbe laden bei seti1 millionen verwalten kann.
und bei vielleicht 20000 aktiven wenn überhaupt so viel mit boinc die grätsche macht.und man kann auch bei hundert leuten einen stresstest fahren wenn sie richtig schnelle kisten mit breitband internetanschluss haben .
das geht glaub mir
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@punky nein nur ein weiterer computer der arbeit sucht ;-)
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Message 11232 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 11:05:15 UTC

I'm sorry for that , but keep waiting as possible as you can ! BOINC will be better soon , that i 'm sure it will be the best platform, now you can have a rest , calm down okay

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Message 11236 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 11:14:08 UTC - in response to Message 11229.

> @skep
> mich wundert aber dann das der selbe laden bei seti1 millionen verwalten
> kann.
> und bei vielleicht 20000 aktiven wenn überhaupt so viel mit boinc die grätsche
> macht.und man kann auch bei hundert leuten einen stresstest fahren wenn sie
> richtig schnelle kisten mit breitband internetanschluss haben .
> das geht glaub mir

@ Guido

Wie hier schon mehrfach erwähnt wurde:
Ein Großteil der Infrastruktur beliefert momentan noch Seti Classic, ein kleinerer Teil Seti/Boinc...das erklärt die Unterschiede.

Und was 100 Leute für ein Stresstest fahren sollen ist mir echt unklar. Es liegt an der INTERNEN Infrastruktur bei Berkeley..da bringt es überhaupt nix wenn hier 100 Leute im Sekundentakt ihre wu's berechnen und runterladen. Wenn keine wu's da sind (und das hat nix mit der Anzahl der User zu tun), kann auch keiner beliefert werden.

---(short en-version)--- :-)
As already mentionend before:
The biggest part of berkeleys seti-infrastructure is still up for Seti Classic, only a small part is up for Seti/Boinc..that explains the difference.

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Message 11239 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 11:18:58 UTC

I too find it frustrating. No, it's not about getting paid or not. I built my small farm of PCs just to do this project; my way of contributing. Yes, I revert to Classic when there's no work. Doesn't make it one tiny bit less frustrating. Yes, it will get better, but most of the problems seem to be linked to demand. When you do something like this, you surely have to judge what the demand is likely to be, and for BOINC SETI@Home, that's 5 million, so you have to pitch for that, no matter what your resources may be. That has not been done: the demand has not and will not yet reach that level, and still no work, or even no project. I say again, no matter everyone saying chill out, it'll get better. It does not make it any less frustrating, and although I will not give up on it, it's no problem to understand that many will do just that.
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Message 11243 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 11:29:18 UTC

@skep
wenn des darum geht die infrastruktur zu testen brauche ich ja keine wu s des seti projektes.
beispiel das pirates@home projekt was eine alpha testphase des einstein@home projektes ist.ich mache da mit und gestern bekamm ich eine risen anzahl test pakete im sekundentakt,die rechen zeit war immer 3 sekunden die grösse der rücksendungen 65 kb,da wurde getesstet das die drähte geglüt haben hin und her.
und durch die dummheit bin ich sogar auf platz 2 weltweit gerutscht in ihren stats
und da funktioniert noch weniger als bei seti@boinc aber trotzdem mach ich mit.damit siehst du das ich den projekten durchaus positiv optimistisch gegenüberstehe

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Message 11256 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 11:52:21 UTC - in response to Message 11185.

> After 4.559 years and 5613 results sent to Seti@Home"Classic" only to have
> that go south on me, and using BOINC for a few days and getting squat for work
> (if the server responds at all), I think it may be time to turn off my
> computers.
> -
> BOINC sucks and I have lost interest with the whole thing.

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Message 11267 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 12:10:58 UTC - in response to Message 11243.

> @skep
> wenn des darum geht die infrastruktur zu testen brauche ich ja keine wu s des
> seti projektes.
> beispiel das pirates@home projekt was eine alpha testphase des einstein@home
> projektes ist.ich mache da mit und gestern bekamm ich eine risen anzahl test
> pakete im sekundentakt,die rechen zeit war immer 3 sekunden die grösse der
> rücksendungen 65 kb,da wurde getesstet das die drähte geglüt haben hin und
> her.
> und durch die dummheit bin ich sogar auf platz 2 weltweit gerutscht in ihren
> stats
> und da funktioniert noch weniger als bei seti@boinc aber trotzdem mach ich
> mit.damit siehst du das ich den projekten durchaus positiv optimistisch
> gegenüberstehe
>
>
Da warst du wohl der Einzige! Ich mache da auch mit und hab noch keine einzige WU gesehen. Im übrigen hast du die wohl ausgelutscht - schau mal nach...

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Message 11275 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 12:40:11 UTC

@punky---dumm gelaufen :-) du dummer HAL9001 musst du auch so schnell sein,immer diese ober tuner-wer braucht schon ein mofa das 12 ps hat und 140 km/h läuft ;-))) die 6 gang fussschaltung nicht zu vergessen.das waren noch zeiten vor 20 bis 25 jahren (VAN VEEN Zylinder etc.)

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Message 11336 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 15:12:04 UTC - in response to Message 11275.
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> @punky---dumm gelaufen :-) du dummer HAL9001 musst du auch so schnell
> sein,immer diese ober tuner-wer braucht schon ein mofa das 12 ps hat und 140
> km/h läuft ;-))) die 6 gang fussschaltung nicht zu vergessen.das waren noch
> zeiten vor 20 bis 25 jahren (VAN VEEN Zylinder etc.)
>
>

Most of our technical effort over the past year has been focused on ramping up SETI@home II, which involves an entirely new client/server architecture we are developing called BOINC. BOINC has been in alpha/beta test for a while now, and we're hoping to release an early version soon. The bottom line is we are currently running two SETI@home-sized projects on the same amount of hardware that up until recently ran just one project. This is difficult to say the least, but BOINC's flexible server architecture and several recent hardware donations from our major sponsors are making for a smoother transition.
Techinal News May 4 2004

Finite work supply
Each work unit is now processed a limited number of times (typically three). When we have no work for your computer, you'll get a 'no work available' message. We encourage you to participate in other BOINC-based projects; then, when SETI@home has no work, your computer can stay busy doing other scientific research.

Finite Work Supply


SETI@home's transition to BOINC

We have released a new version of SETI@home based on BOINC, a general-purpose platform for distributed computing projects. We encourage you to switch to the new SETI@home. If you have problems with the new version, you can uninstall it and reinstall the old 'Classic' version of SETI@home. The schedule is:
On 14 May 2004 we made a 'snapshot' of SETI@home Classic user information (accounts, teams, profiles) and used it to initialize the new SETI@home database.
On June 22 2004 we made SETI@home/BOINC available for general use. There will be a 'transition period' during which you can run either SETI@home Classic or SETI@home/BOINC. During this transition period, SETI@home Classic accounts and team changes can be made, but they will not be carried over.
Once SETI@home/BOINC is running smoothly and versions are available for most platforms, we will turn off the data server for SETI@home Classic. At this point you will need to switch to SETI@home/BOINC.
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Bah!!! I am in it for the money.

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Message 11389 - Posted: 22 Jul 2004, 16:28:05 UTC - in response to Message 11275.

> @punky---dumm gelaufen :-) du dummer HAL9001 musst du auch so schnell
> sein,immer diese ober tuner-wer braucht schon ein mofa das 12 ps hat und 140
> km/h läuft ;-))) die 6 gang fussschaltung nicht zu vergessen.das waren noch
> zeiten vor 20 bis 25 jahren (VAN VEEN Zylinder etc.)
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Message 11764 - Posted: 24 Jul 2004, 4:51:11 UTC

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Ok, so I got frustrated. I have been doing this for a few years and then for a week I keep getting errors from SetiatHome. Everything from Fatal Error -1 to Unknown Error -100.
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Then I D/L BOINC figuring to get a jump on what is to be, and every time I connect to the server, no work or no server responding. What the Hell.
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Why do I do this project? I was one of the first members of the Planetary Society back in the early 1970's and the (Seti) project sounded like fun. I get a kick out of watching my WU numbers climb and my percent rise up over 99. That is what I got out of it....a little competition.
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IRT Heffed, bite me.
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IRT punky, you mean you are not getting paid by the WU? I guess I got in just in time for the payoff...lol
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BTW, I uninstalled and reinstalled everything, and now I am running both Classic and BOINC on my computers at the same time. Who said it could not be done?

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Message 11774 - Posted: 24 Jul 2004, 5:06:20 UTC - in response to Message 11764.

> IRT Heffed, bite me.

No thanks. You said BOINC sucked and were leaving. I said bye. Where's the problem in that?

> BTW, I uninstalled and reinstalled everything, and now I am running both
> Classic and BOINC on my computers at the same time. Who said it could not be
> done?

Nobody said it couldn't be done. Simply that it will take longer to get anything done on either project. :)

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Message 11868 - Posted: 24 Jul 2004, 10:04:09 UTC - in response to Message 11774.
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Sorry I misunderstood. You can be sure when I said bite me, it was with the same intent and goodwill.

I see that both projects are running much slower now. I will need to run one at a time for sure. Decisions, decisions....

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Message 11919 - Posted: 24 Jul 2004, 13:21:00 UTC

Stop whoring for attention. You bitch about Boinc and say you're going to leave. Bye. Leave already.

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