We all donate, don't we?
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We all donate, don't we?
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EclipseHA Send message Joined: 28 Jul 99 Posts: 1018 Credit: 530,719 RAC: 0 
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Please only include a yes or no - no debates - I'm trying to set up a poll. Better yet (maybe) rate this poll with a "+" if you think all crunchers donate, or a "-" if you think a monitary contribution means somthing different. ID: 166631 ·  |
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jrmm22 Send message Joined: 30 Jan 04 Posts: 353 Credit: 24,536,157 RAC: 0
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Please only include a yes or no - no debates - I'm trying to set up a poll. No. We participate. ID: 166633 · |
 Tern  Send message Joined: 4 Dec 03 Posts: 1122 Credit: 13,376,822 RAC: 44
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Participating isn't donating. Donating isn't participating. Both are needed. Other projects only need participants and not donations. This one can't run without both. ID: 166638 · |
J D K  Send message Joined: 26 May 04 Posts: 1295 Credit: 311,371 RAC: 0
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The forum plus or minus is to limiting for my vote, as I feel I participate in Seti by donating my computer time. And the beat goes on Sonny and Cher BOINC Wiki  ID: 166643 · |
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EclipseHA Send message Joined: 28 Jul 99 Posts: 1018 Credit: 530,719 RAC: 0
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Editorial here - The original post is now at -5. Some don't seem to think that donating computer time and paying for electicity is a nonation to the project. ID: 166645 · |
Pappa  Send message Joined: 9 Jan 00 Posts: 2562 Credit: 12,301,681 RAC: 0
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Azwoody This is not setup as a proper Poll. Please only include a yes or no - no debates - I'm trying to set up a poll. I am a firm believer in that what I choose to donate is my business... If it is only computers, computer hours and electricity that is fine... I have not included links to statistics that I monitor about how well I am or am not doing with Seti (for the most part is is no ones business)... Now is a different occasion. From Seti Classic I have and am donating 47.9+ years From BOINCStats Heart Touched with Seti BOINC I have a friend helping... The number of hours/weeks/years is more difficult to calculate.. As near as I can calculate I have donated more than 419,xxx+ hours of computers, computer time and electricity... So in the interest of the Science that we all believe in, let it die... Let each person decide what is appropiate to donate... Some will do computer time, some will do computer time and a cash donation... Please, do not discrouage the cash donation... If someone belittles you, ignore them... It would mean they have their own issues that you neither need, nor desire to participate in... R/ Al Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project. ID: 166649 · |
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Pappa Send message Joined: 9 Jan 00 Posts: 2562 Credit: 12,301,681 RAC: 0
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Bill When Seti was started the cost for computer hours for analysis were cost prohibitive. David Anderson figured out a way that analysis could be done and not cost large sums of money, thus Seti@Home was born... With the loss of Government Funding the current system has completed a lot of Science that would have just died... Donations include both; participation and cash donations... Both are crucial to the continued existence of Seti... Participating isn't donating. Donating isn't participating. Both are needed. Yes, in the past I have expressed issues that I personally have with how the project is managed... When I see something that I feel is wrong I will express my feelings again... I would only presume that if you want the money that I donate in the form of computers, computer time and electricty then you need to listen the Users to see what is BROKEN! R/ Al Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project. ID: 166653 · |
Anigel  Send message Joined: 5 Dec 99 Posts: 101 Credit: 643,544 RAC: 0 
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Crunchers volunteer idle cycles Donators donate funds Both are a contribution in the same way you donate to the carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere or donate to a charity. But they are a different kind of contribution. Part of Teamseti For SetiBoinc status graphs visit Teamseti status graphs 
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Pappa Send message Joined: 9 Jan 00 Posts: 2562 Credit: 12,301,681 RAC: 0
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Anigel I am happy that you can afford more computers than I have and donate more computer time... And donate money. I also have did both and object to the idea that people looking down on those that feel donating computer time is "cheap." That is Just Wrong! and is the topic of another thread... But once again, it up to each person to decide what they can "Donate." Many are running on One Computer that someone told them "You can Help Science"... Each of those single indiviuals all contribute to the Science... So saying they are Wrong, because that is what they can afford/understand? Sorry, they are "donating" each donation of a completed workunit is "A Positive" on Seti's side, it cost UCB no money to recieve... That which I choose to donate is out of My Pocket, it is my business and no one elses! So to belittle anyone in anyway is wrong... People donate Time for the Red Cross, they are currently displaced down around LA, MS... They are not donating CASH, but only the belief in an idea... Where is that different from the people that donate here? During 9/11 many people went to NY on their own dime and donated time... This was in response to a "need" how is that really different than people donating time here? It is what they believe in for whatever reason... No they are Not Wrong, they are helping as they are best able! Yes, UCB needs cash! All the cash in the world would only be able to pay for the computer time that people no longer "donated." Crunchers volunteer idle cycles I also tend plants that turn the carbon dioxcide back into oxygen... More recently I find the plants more appreciative of the attention compared to UCB or a lot of the users here... Mostly that only costs Time... R/ Al Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project. ID: 166663 · |
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Anigel Send message Joined: 5 Dec 99 Posts: 101 Credit: 643,544 RAC: 0
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I have not disagreed with you at all. However I must point out that I do not look down on anyone. Every contribution to the project is a bonus regardless of if it is computer time, cash, expertise or whatever and I certainly do not think that anyone should donate anything they are not able / comfortable or do not want to. What I did say was that there are different types of contributions, I did not say that any were less valuable or less necessary just that they were not the same thing. The problem here is one of language. The project has decided to use the term donation to cover cash donations and the norm seems to be volunteers for people who contribute computer time or other services. Whilst they are all some form of donation, they are all represented by different items to reflect the different type of donation. Crunchers get a credit and RAC figure, cash donators get a green star, people who devote thier time to improving the code get a volunteer developer flag. All the various types of donations are now represented in the information given to the left of posts. Part of Teamseti For SetiBoinc status graphs visit Teamseti status graphs
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Betting Slip Send message Joined: 25 Jul 00 Posts: 89 Credit: 716,008 RAC: 0
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Please only include a yes or no - no debates - I'm trying to set up a poll. YES!  
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Betting Slip Send message Joined: 25 Jul 00 Posts: 89 Credit: 716,008 RAC: 0
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Please only include a yes or no - no debates - I'm trying to set up a poll. If Seti users provide the computational power and Seti users fund the project shouldn't Seti users have a say in the project?
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Luigi Naruszewicz  Send message Joined: 19 Nov 99 Posts: 620 Credit: 23,910,372 RAC: 14
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If Seti users provide the computational power and Seti users fund the project shouldn't Seti users have a say in the project? No more than any other charity or organization that you may contribute to. .  A person who makes no mistakes, creates nothing. ID: 166682 · |
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Kim Vater Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 227 Credit: 22,743,307 RAC: 0 
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Hi, I feel that I'm participating in the SETI project. I'm contributing in a way by 'donating' 50-60 US$ (5 host 24/7) to the local electricity-company every month. The money spent on the project has a very low WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor). Kiva Greetings from Norway   Crunch3er & AK-V8 Inside ID: 166690 · |
Pooh Bear 27  Send message Joined: 14 Jul 03 Posts: 3224 Credit: 4,603,826 RAC: 0
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Look at it from rhe government's view. Cash, money, giving hardware, etc. is considered a donation. Your volunteering to help is your option to work for the project, but is really not considered a donation. If you volunteer your work for any other not for profit organization, example I help with like the diabetes organization at a fundraiser, my time is not considered a donation. Plus, how does a company like this work without incoming cash? We could not be crunching data, if they did not have the money to create this operation.  My movie https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/502242 ID: 166695 · |
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STE\/E Send message Joined: 29 Mar 03 Posts: 1137 Credit: 5,334,063 RAC: 0
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Plus, how does a company like this work without incoming cash? We could not be crunching data, if they did not have the money to create this operation. ========== And there would be no Operation if we did not Donate our Computer Time to crunch the Data ... ;) ID: 166701 · |
Mike   Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34567 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 
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Hi @woody We do what we want. Respect it or not. greetz Mike With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. ID: 166721 · |
The Gas Giant  Send message Joined: 22 Nov 01 Posts: 1904 Credit: 2,646,654 RAC: 0 
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I have voluntered to donate some cpu time to various projects, for this I receive recognition in the form of credits (both total and RAC). I have also voluntered to donate some money to SETI@home for this I receive recognition in the form of a green star. I have also voluntered to give money to other worth while organisations, for this I get the recognition of knowing I have been able to help some needy people out in a little way. We do what we can for who we can when we can. I am currently able to donate to this fine endeavour. I wonder how much a suitable 3TB file server is? Live long and crunch. Paul (S@H1 8888)    And proud of it!
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Ulrich Metzner  Send message Joined: 3 Jul 02 Posts: 1256 Credit: 13,565,513 RAC: 13
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I personally think, i'm donating work (in form of keeping my computers healthy and busy) and money (in form of electrical costs). If you're so hot for the green star, ok, here is it:  and once again and there are even more: /me shaking head Aloha, Uli ID: 166735 · |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles  Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
If Seti users provide the computational power and Seti users fund the project shouldn't Seti users have a say in the project? Luigi, you are so right! Let all those who have donated to the Katrina victims come to the charity association in concern and say "Hey, I dontated 5 $ so I want to decide how you run your association!", and see how far they go! LOLLL!!! Cute cat in your avatar! :-D "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me 
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