Looks like Folding my be getting close to opening up......


7/20/2005
Six months have passed since the start of our closed beta for FAH-BOINC. With the generous help of many BOINC beta testers, we have found and fixed several bugs in FAH-BOINC. In general, the client is much more stable and running well. We are dealing with some final issues at the moment.

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Semper Eadem
So long Paul, it has been a hell of a ride.

Park your ego's, fire up the computers, Science YES, Credits No.

But they are not dealing with the major issue. They send a dummy WU that has no information about the real work to the client. This dummy WU then downloads the real work (during its first time slot - modem users beware that the real work will be requested after you have disconnected from the internet). There is no real information about the deadline, or how much work is really left to do. This means that CPU scheduler has no idea that it is nearing a deadline and all of the work will be lost because of a missed deadline.

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BOINC WIKI

But they are not dealing with the major issue. They send a dummy WU that has no information about the real work to the client. This dummy WU then downloads the real work (during its first time slot - modem users beware that the real work will be requested after you have disconnected from the internet). There is no real information about the deadline, or how much work is really left to do. This means that CPU scheduler has no idea that it is nearing a deadline and all of the work will be lost because of a missed deadline.

I assume they have been told that participation in FAH will be curtailed by this.

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Seems like they are playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded pistol, oh and never ever play Russian Roulette with a automatic hand gun........;0)

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Semper Eadem
So long Paul, it has been a hell of a ride.

Park your ego's, fire up the computers, Science YES, Credits No.

Is it the case that they will just ignore missed deadlines? I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that it's possible to set up the scheduler and validator to ignore whether a result was returned "on time" or not.

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But they are not dealing with the major issue. They send a dummy WU that has no information about the real work to the client. This dummy WU then downloads the real work (during its first time slot - modem users beware that the real work will be requested after you have disconnected from the internet). There is no real information about the deadline, or how much work is really left to do. This means that CPU scheduler has no idea that it is nearing a deadline and all of the work will be lost because of a missed deadline.

I assume they have been told that participation in FAH will be curtailed by this.

I assume they have been told that participation in FAH will be curtailed by this.

They may not care. To be honest, I can't quite get why they would only do a partial port to BOINC. I know that I have zero interest in a project that is not fully compliant.

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I'm interested in the F@H science. If they do a port of F@H that will run under BOINC and do real science, then I will be happy to run it.

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Jim,

Thats cool ... the joy of BOINC is we can kinda pick the projects we want to support ... I get my Bio "fix" with Predictor@Home ... which if I understood the glossy advertising is *about* the same as Folding@Home ...

Then again ... I am not real interested in the Bio stuff ...

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Thats cool ... the joy of BOINC is we can kinda pick the projects we want to support ... I get my Bio "fix" with Predictor@Home ... which if I understood the glossy advertising is *about* the same as Folding@Home ...

Then again ... I am not real interested in the Bio stuff ...

Predictor tries to predict the outcome of the folding process, while Folding is simulating the process itself.

Is it the case that they will just ignore missed deadlines? I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that it's possible to set up the scheduler and validator to ignore whether a result was returned "on time" or not.

They have a kind of WUs, calles timeless, where the strict deadline management (including bonuses for fast reply) is not administered. Those will be crunched with BOINC. They are used for slow machines, and a Boinc machine with a shared CPU is something like a slow machine ;)

They send a dummy WU that has no information about the real work to the client. This dummy WU then downloads the real work (during its first time slot - modem users beware that the real work will be requested after you have disconnected from the internet).

That's really a showstopper for dial-up. It's no problem for flat-raters like me, but even I don't like it that much to have the connection turned on always.

There is no real information about the deadline, or how much work is really left to do.

In my client, it estimates the remaining time quite accurate. I don't know, where it has to report it as well and doesn't, and it only reports in 1% steps, but these are nearly accurate from the first 1% on (at least at the time of a new percentage point reached).

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Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki

Thats cool ... the joy of BOINC is we can kinda pick the projects we want to support ... I get my Bio "fix" with Predictor@Home ... which if I understood the glossy advertising is *about* the same as Folding@Home ...

Then again ... I am not real interested in the Bio stuff ...

Predictor tries to predict the outcome of the folding process, while Folding is simulating the process itself.

Is it the case that they will just ignore missed deadlines? I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that it's possible to set up the scheduler and validator to ignore whether a result was returned "on time" or not.

They have a kind of WUs, calles timeless, where the strict deadline management (including bonuses for fast reply) is not administered. Those will be crunched with BOINC. They are used for slow machines, and a Boinc machine with a shared CPU is something like a slow machine ;)

They send a dummy WU that has no information about the real work to the client. This dummy WU then downloads the real work (during its first time slot - modem users beware that the real work will be requested after you have disconnected from the internet).

That's really a showstopper for dial-up. It's no problem for flat-raters like me, but even I don't like it that much to have the connection turned on always.

There is no real information about the deadline, or how much work is really left to do.

In my client, it estimates the remaining time quite accurate. I don't know, where it has to report it as well and doesn't, and it only reports in 1% steps, but these are nearly accurate from the first 1% on (at least at the time of a new percentage point reached).

Even the timeless WUs have a deadline, and when F@H says it is a deadline, they mean it. The WU is removed from your computer as useless and a new one is downloaded.

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BOINC WIKI

There is no real information about the deadline, or how much work is really left to do.

In my client, it estimates the remaining time quite accurate. I don't know, where it has to report it as well and doesn't, and it only reports in 1% steps, but these are nearly accurate from the first 1% on (at least at the time of a new percentage point reached).

Even the timeless WUs have a deadline, and when F@H says it is a deadline, they mean it. The WU is removed from your computer as useless and a new one is downloaded.

Now, that I read it agin, and looked at my WU again, I see your point. The estimated remaining CPU time is calculated accurately, but the deadline is still the deadline from the dummy WU, not from the real WU.

But after a look with FahMon I can't see any mentioned deadline, the "Due Time" field is simply empty, and so I supposed, timeless means deadlineless. And if you look here, you'll see some without "Final deadline (days)", and those are the ones I'm getting right now.

You know something else?

BTW:
Should we discuss this stuff here in the open ? ;)
Imho: Yes!

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Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki

There is no real information about the deadline, or how much work is really left to do.

In my client, it estimates the remaining time quite accurate. I don't know, where it has to report it as well and doesn't, and it only reports in 1% steps, but these are nearly accurate from the first 1% on (at least at the time of a new percentage point reached).

Even the timeless WUs have a deadline, and when F@H says it is a deadline, they mean it. The WU is removed from your computer as useless and a new one is downloaded.

Now, that I read it agin, and looked at my WU again, I see your point. The estimated remaining CPU time is calculated accurately, but the deadline is still the deadline from the dummy WU, not from the real WU.

But after a look with FahMon I can't see any mentioned deadline, the "Due Time" field is simply empty, and so I supposed, timeless means deadlineless. And if you look here, you'll see some without "Final deadline (days)", and those are the ones I'm getting right now.

You know something else?

BTW:
Should we discuss this stuff here in the open ? ;)
Imho: Yes!

I was remembering a post from one of the F@H project developers that indicated this - and maybe it was just some of the timeless WUs that have a deadline.

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BOINC WIKI

Jim,

Thats cool ... the joy of BOINC is we can kinda pick the projects we want to support ... I get my Bio "fix" with Predictor@Home ... which if I understood the glossy advertising is *about* the same as Folding@Home ...

Then again ... I am not real interested in the Bio stuff ...

Yea, there are a lot of good projects to choose from. I really like the science stuff, S@H, E@H, and Astropulse, however, my wife's aunt has Alzheimer's, my mother has Parkinson's and I am a cancer survivor so the Bio. stuff is kind of personal.

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