Hi

project and enrolled but they do not want my input.
I have completed 2 WU but only one was given credit and under my account there is no information.

TIA

---

Stanley


Boinc Wikipedia - the FAQ in active change

Hello,

I'd say, it's still some way to go before getting public.

The stats for you are here. On the Boinc account is no information, but they are working on it afaik. I don't know about priorities though.

As I'm just a plain user, not a computer nerd, I can only tell about the surface (and the answers from fora ;). The interaction between Boinc and the FAH application (in their terminology the FAH client) is quite non-standard from a Boinc-POV.

Best go here for your inquieries (and try to read the rest of the thread before posting redundancies ;)

---

Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki

thank you for the Quick response

---

Stanley


Boinc Wikipedia - the FAQ in active change

It's going slowly but surely....

The developers aren't in a huge rush and are waiting for a few things in Boinc proper to stabilize before they modify F@H to work with them.

It's not a high priority, from what I can tell. They are busy people.

---

Rob

Hi

a new month the same question. any news? as reported elsewhere, on my computer, every project reset this morning including folding. Folding downloaded 4 units(connect every .5) with estimated times of just over 3 hours but the first to run is estimating almost 42 hours, I would guess you have asked them to fix this but could you ask again for me

thank you

---

Stanley


Boinc Wikipedia - the FAQ in active change

I'm not a FAH beta tester, although I did create an account when they had the window open back in April. The first time I tried attaching it was just to funky for me. Looked like the FAH original trying to run with rather than "within" boinc. I reattached last night and they seem to be using a new app called FAH 4.67. I got work and the predicted time to completion is 03:41:05, I haven't crunched one yet. The report deadline is 01/16/2006.

I found this on the FAH-Boinc FAQ:

Why is the expected time shown in the BOINC GUI so big for my Folding unit? Will it take that long?
This is due to the fact that units associated with different Folding@Home projects (different proteins, for example) take different amounts of time, and we necessarily have to give the maximum possible value. Generally, you can expect units to take a few days each. For the technically curious that are familiar with BOINC, our scheduling server does not have information on running times that it can send to the BOINC application.

It appears they have yet to find an accurate (or nearly so) way to determine "estimated CPU time".

tony

Tony

our machines appear to be in the same speed ballpark the first unit I completed took 9+ hours the second took 30+ hours the one I lost this morning was projected to take 4+ days(it was about half done when the reset occurred)
the time estimate after the first several frames has been a close estimate.

all 8 units I have downloaded with 3+ hours projected

I think the information in the faq is inaccurate

---

Stanley


Boinc Wikipedia - the FAQ in active change

It was kinda strange, I couldn't download more seti, seti/beta, or ppah because this puter is "overcommited". However after I attached to FAH it downloaded 10 WU all with the same "estimated completion" time. I'm using an AthlonXP 2200+. I'm just wondering if it's a fixed value for all

It was kinda strange, I couldn't download more seti, seti/beta, or ppah because this puter is "overcommited". However after I attached to FAH it downloaded 10 WU all with the same "estimated completion" time. I'm using an AthlonXP 2200+. I'm just wondering if it's a fixed value for all

I believe it is a fixed value. (as the FAQ states) All the WUs I've downloaded have had the same estimated completion time. This does of course change once processing starts.

It was kinda strange, I couldn't download more seti, seti/beta, or ppah because this puter is "overcommited". However after I attached to FAH it downloaded 10 WU all with the same "estimated completion" time. I'm using an AthlonXP 2200+. I'm just wondering if it's a fixed value for all

The deadline and the initial estimate of crunch time have no basis in the result actually handed out for F@H.

---

BOINC WIKI

I guess the following is not f@h specific, but it'll be posted here anyway ;)

From what I've noticed, going BOINC from a home-grown framework (regardsless if it's to substitute or to run alongside it) seems to be much harder than starting from scratch designing specifically for BOINC. F@h is, of course, only beta (or rather alpha) at this point when it comes to BOINC, so I expect things like stats, teams, credit etc. to be indeed very hung up on the excisting system.

Credit, just to take an example, has nothing to do with the BOINC credit system, and as such is unusable for BOINCers. But an in-production project, like climateprediction.net has the very same troubles - it's credit system for BOINC has nothing to do with the BOINC credit system - we're all credited the same fixed amount for every trickle no matter how long it takes, in CPU terms - so as such practically unusable to BOINCers.

But at least they're compatible with a current, unmodified BOINC core client. That's 50% of the way. The last 2-3% will come eventually (ok, in f@h's case it's 49% :D)

---

Hi

I have a new to me problem with folding@home boinc

Folding will not relinquish and runs side by side with the project that is suppose to be running sharing about equally. This only started happening with the download of new f@h unit’s application fah 4.67

Running boinc cc4.45 since 6-8-05

131945 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+ Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2, (05.01.2600.00)

The only way to get it to shut down I have found is to shut down boinc

Any ideas?

Can you report it to f@h for me?

Thank you

---

Stanley


Boinc Wikipedia - the FAQ in active change

Hi

I have a new to me problem with folding@home boinc

Folding will not relinquish and runs side by side with the project that is suppose to be running sharing about equally. This only started happening with the download of new f@h unit’s application fah 4.67

Running boinc cc4.45 since 6-8-05

As far as I know, this is an issue with BOINC not F@H - one unit is instructed to "pause" but for some reason doesn't, as it is a valid task your operating system will still run it. It happens with SETI, Predictor, LHC and the others. The problme is intermittent but for sure still exists.

---

From what I've noticed, going BOINC from a home-grown framework (regardsless if it's to substitute or to run alongside it) seems to be much harder than starting from scratch designing specifically for BOINC.

I'll subscribe that!
Especially if you try to keep the "old" stuff running parallel.

Credit, just to take an example, has nothing to do with the BOINC credit system, and as such is unusable for BOINCers. But an in-production project, like climateprediction.net has the very same troubles - it's credit system for BOINC has nothing to do with the BOINC credit system - we're all credited the same fixed amount for every trickle no matter how long it takes, in CPU terms - so as such practically unusable to BOINCers.

I don't think, that it's that much different. Their WUs run more like CPDNs, i.e. always the same, and they crunch some test-WU of everything on their reference machine to get the credit. IMHO that's fine if they really behave the same everywhere.

The "value" is of course another problem, as it's not yet Boinc-cobblestone compatible. They have to figure out, how to deal with it, either by dividing their public in 2 parts with different points/credits, or with one point count for all, and for the Boincers another item for the competition. I'd prefer the latter.

But at least they're compatible with a current, unmodified BOINC core client. That's 50% of the way. The last 2-3% will come eventually (ok, in f@h's case it's 49% :D)

I think, they are at something above 50% by now. But still some serious issues left over before going really public. But I expect a more open Beta first (just guessing and hoping).

Open issues (imho):
- communication between project (server) and user (puter) via Boinc, and not direct
- real WU-DL, not just some dummy (probably connected with the first one)
- storage of data from finished WUs somewhere else but in the slots
(something is supposed to have changed, I havn't tested it yet)
- WU-stats on the Boinc site
- the whole credit situation
- real WU-DL, not just some dummy

---

Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki

Open issues (imho):
- communication between project (server) and user (puter) via Boinc, and not direct
- real WU-DL, not just some dummy (probably connected with the first one)
- storage of data from finished WUs somewhere else but in the slots
(something is supposed to have changed, I havn't tested it yet)
- WU-stats on the Boinc site
- the whole credit situation
- real WU-DL, not just some dummy

I believe that you missed the problem with deadlines (or was that included in the real WU-DL?).

---

BOINC WIKI

I believe that you missed the problem with deadlines (or was that included in the real WU-DL?).

I missed it.

It's connected with real WU-DL and credits, as they seem to have decreasing credits for slow cruncers.
I never was that slow, and the 'timeless WUs' should take care of it, but obviously the scheduler(s) are not runed in with Boinc restrictions, as I regularly recive deadlined GROMACs. But up to now I finished them in time (with 30% timeshare for FAH).

---

Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki

Hi

I have a new to me problem with folding@home boinc

Folding will not relinquish and runs side by side with the project that is suppose to be running sharing about equally. This only started happening with the download of new f@h unit’s application fah 4.67

Running boinc cc4.45 since 6-8-05

As far as I know, this is an issue with BOINC not F@H - one unit is instructed to "pause" but for some reason doesn't, as it is a valid task your operating system will still run it. It happens with SETI, Predictor, LHC and the others. The problme is intermittent but for sure still exists.

Hi

It may be a boinc problem but i have never had it happen without f@h being involved. it is happening now which delaying my move to 4.70 as SZTAKI counts time improperly if it is stoped from running. folding has not let go through three wu changes

thank you

---

Stanley


Boinc Wikipedia - the FAQ in active change

It may be a boinc problem but i have never had it happen without f@h being involved. it is happening now which delaying my move to 4.70 as SZTAKI counts time improperly if it is stoped from running. folding has not let go through three wu changes

If you tell it to suspend, does it?

It may be a boinc problem but i have never had it happen without f@h being involved. it is happening now which delaying my move to 4.70 as SZTAKI counts time improperly if it is stoped from running. folding has not let go through three wu changes

If you tell it to suspend, does it?

no

---

Stanley


Boinc Wikipedia - the FAQ in active change

It may be a boinc problem but i have never had it happen without f@h being involved. it is happening now which delaying my move to 4.70 as SZTAKI counts time improperly if it is stoped from running. folding has not let go through three wu changes

thank you

Stanley, FAH does the same to my processor. It just won't stop, and let the processor be free. I dettached from FAH

Tony