I've been a user of the old SETI for a year now and have just activated the new BOINC version. My SETI Work Unit total is about 50 units out, and my team is wrong (set to an old team) - it should be SETI@CableForum but this team doesn't seem to exist, yet your web page told me everything had been transfered (quite a few months ago with the looks of it) Not impressed.

It was copied about May 15th.
jm7

So it was pointless running SETI after this date because we've got no credit for it. Why weren't people informed? My current team was created after that date so we officially no longer exist. Geee thanks. Are they trying to upset users? Do they want us to process units?

[edit] Should appear in response to the response

> So it was pointless running SETI after this date because we've got no credit
> for it. Why weren't people informed? My current team was created after that
> date so we officially no longer exist. Geee thanks. Are they trying to upset
> users? Do they want us to process units?

I suspect on S@H1's termination, stats will be updated with the final totals.

> It was copied about May 15th.
> jm7
>

To John,

no. My privat statistics says my number of results had been taken from May 13th.



/
Urs

> To John,
>
> no. My privat statistics says my number of results had been taken from May
> 13th.

He said "about" May 15th.

> > To John,
> >
> > no. My privat statistics says my number of results had been taken from
> May
> > 13th.
>
> He said "about" May 15th.
>

Yes, he did.
Sorry, my words were not as exact as my private stats are.
Cancel that "no.".

> > So it was pointless running SETI after this date because we've got no
> credit
> > for it. Why weren't people informed? My current team was created after
> that
> > date so we officially no longer exist. Geee thanks. Are they trying to
> upset
> > users? Do they want us to process units?
>
> I suspect on S@H1's termination, stats will be updated with the final totals.
>

The transition document reads that it won't. If SETI plan on copying across the final stats, they should say so because I imagine quite a few people won't be making the change over to BOINC due to SETI's current disregard for their efforts:

What will happen to my workunit totals?
BOINC projects can have workunits of many different lengths, so BOINC keeps track of your computer's work in terms of actual computation performed rather than number of workunits.

Because of this change, SETI@home accounts will have separate old and new work totals. The old total is the workunit total from the current SETI@home. ***It won't change***, and a section of our web site will show the final leaderboards based on old work totals. New work unit totals will start from zero.

I think perhaps you have misunderstood the whole point of SETI. Sure its nice to process units and get recognition for it, but really we are here and are offering our CPU's for the greater good. I will lose my 2500 or so units, but who cares? sah have spent a good deal of time and effort in improving the software, I volunteer knowing that I won't get any money or anything else tangible for it. I just think its a cool thing to do,

So don't complain too much. Its not really about you, its about the search for extra terrestrial intelligence and the best way to get it done.

Look at the bright side; if everyone is set to zero, you start level with EVERYONE else, including me and those who have processed hundred's of thousands of units. Your fifty units are valuable, but try and put your complaint in the perspective that it should have.

Happy crunching



> > > So it was pointless running SETI after this date because we've got
> no
> > credit
> > > for it. Why weren't people informed? My current team was created
> after
> > that
> > > date so we officially no longer exist. Geee thanks. Are they trying
> to
> > upset
> > > users? Do they want us to process units?
> >
> > I suspect on S@H1's termination, stats will be updated with the final
> totals.
> >
>
> The transition document reads that it won't. If SETI plan on copying across
> the final stats, they should say so because I imagine quite a few people won't
> be making the change over to BOINC due to SETI's current disregard for their
> efforts:
>
> What will happen to my workunit totals?
> BOINC projects can have workunits of many different lengths, so BOINC keeps
> track of your computer's work in terms of actual computation performed rather
> than number of workunits.
>
> Because of this change, SETI@home accounts will have separate old and new work
> totals. The old total is the workunit total from the current SETI@home. ***It
> won't change***, and a section of our web site will show the final
> leaderboards based on old work totals. New work unit totals will start from
> zero.
>
>
>
>

below

Seti@Home, it is really about the science, isn’t it!!

>I think perhaps you have misunderstood the whole point of SETI
>

Nope. I'm a member of the Predictor alpha. Their website clearly says that data could be lost. I'm fine with this - **I was told; I was kept informed; I wasn't left in the dark by people with a like it or lump it attitude**


> Seti@Home, it is really about the science, isn’t it!!
>

And the users who make the science possible.



j

I too am a little upset about the discrepancies of work units processed. It appears that the number of units processed which have been transferred MAY be inaccurate. I notice that my "Member Since" date is definately incorrect - 52 hours out to be exact - using the info on the old site versus the new site this is the difference. This suggests errors were made in data transfer!!!

I also realise that SETI number crunching is just for fun, and for the common good - that I will not get paid, or globally recognised for any of my efforts. However, I would have thought that simply trying to help users with little issues like this would encourage them to continue with SETI.

I still believe in the cause, but I am seriously considering giving up. This is a sad state to be in, as this may mean we will lose many users (if others feel the way I do), and therefore lose valuable processing capability for want of a little extra effort by our good friends at Berkeley.

Please, please, please, give us some more positive information about the possible errors in statistical data transfer, and let us know how we will be able to track our progress the way we are used to - e.g. what happened to the "Class of date x" listing... a simple but effective way of encouraging users to participate????

Rookie (a sadened, but faithful number cruncher)

> I too am a little upset about the discrepancies of work units processed. It
> appears that the number of units processed which have been transferred MAY be
> inaccurate. I notice that my "Member Since" date is definately incorrect - 52
> hours out to be exact - using the info on the old site versus the new site
> this is the difference. This suggests errors were made in data transfer!!!
>
> I also realise that SETI number crunching is just for fun, and for the common
> good - that I will not get paid, or globally recognised for any of my efforts.
> However, I would have thought that simply trying to help users with little
> issues like this would encourage them to continue with SETI.
>
> I still believe in the cause, but I am seriously considering giving up. This
> is a sad state to be in, as this may mean we will lose many users (if others
> feel the way I do), and therefore lose valuable processing capability for want
> of a little extra effort by our good friends at Berkeley.
>
> Please, please, please, give us some more positive information about the
> possible errors in statistical data transfer, and let us know how we will be
> able to track our progress the way we are used to - e.g. what happened to the
> "Class of date x" listing... a simple but effective way of encouraging users
> to participate????
>
> Rookie (a sadened, but faithful number cruncher)
>
>
There is a post somewhere explaining the date problem. I forget exacly but it was something to due with leap years not being counted properly. It should be 48 hours off plus listed in UTC time.

The snapshot was taken on may 14th so any workunits done after that will not be counted. There are rumors that there will be another snapshot taken after seti I is closed down, however I have not seen anything official on this.

John Keck
BOINCing since 2002/12/08

> > I too am a little upset about the discrepancies of work units processed.
> It
> > appears that the number of units processed which have been transferred
> MAY be
> > inaccurate. I notice that my "Member Since" date is definately incorrect
> - 52
> > hours out to be exact - using the info on the old site versus the new
> site
> > this is the difference. This suggests errors were made in data
> transfer!!!
> >
> > I also realise that SETI number crunching is just for fun, and for the
> common
> > good - that I will not get paid, or globally recognised for any of my
> efforts.
> > However, I would have thought that simply trying to help users with
> little
> > issues like this would encourage them to continue with SETI.
> >
> > I still believe in the cause, but I am seriously considering giving up.
> This
> > is a sad state to be in, as this may mean we will lose many users (if
> others
> > feel the way I do), and therefore lose valuable processing capability for
> want
> > of a little extra effort by our good friends at Berkeley.
> >
> > Please, please, please, give us some more positive information about the
> > possible errors in statistical data transfer, and let us know how we will
> be
> > able to track our progress the way we are used to - e.g. what happened to
> the
> > "Class of date x" listing... a simple but effective way of encouraging
> users
> > to participate????
> >
> > Rookie (a sadened, but faithful number cruncher)
> >
> >
> There is a post somewhere explaining the date problem. I forget exacly but it
> was something to due with leap years not being counted properly. It should be
> 48 hours off plus listed in UTC time.
>
> The snapshot was taken on may 14th so any workunits done after that will not
> be counted. There are rumors that there will be another snapshot taken after
> seti I is closed down, however I have not seen anything official on this.
>
John Keck
> BOINCing since 2002/12/08
>

That's all very well, but the discrepancy of 52 hours is using UTC for BOTH dates / times. Since I have only been a member since December 2002, there has only been one leap year (2004) which could explain a difference of just one day - even if you assume that there were more leap years which could have affected it, that still doesn't explain the other 4 hours (i.e. 2 days and 4 hours making 52 hours total).

I don't understand why it would be 48 hours off in the first place, and the other 4 hours are very strange - especially since I live in the UK, and therefore live in the GMT / UTC time zone... I suppose you could excuse 1 extra hour to cater for daylight saving, but BOTH times are listed as UTC, so where I live, and daylight saving should be completely irrelevant anyway!

Finally - I have looked at a few posts on here, and I see that there are other people who are equally upset about the new version taking away some of the competitiveness. I realise that the new system will enable us to process data more effectively, but I still wonder if that new effectiveness will be fulfilled if we lose half the user community simply because no one is willing to listen to the argument of keeping some of the old features.

I hope someone might listen to this.

Rookie.

I have to say that I agree with Rookie on this one. Yes...the entire point is to find ET and his buddies out there. But...I also know that there were a lot of folks that competed heavily in terms of the number of work units they crunched. Why do you think they allowed you to track such things in the first place? They were counting on people getting competative in order to keep the project moving forward. But now that they've moved over to this new system (which BTW it would have been nice to know it was coming...), it seems like they've sort of thrown it all out the window so to speak.

Perhaps being concerned about your own numbers isn't where your attention should be....but at the same time the Berkely folks need to remember that we're doing THEM a favor by letting them use our computers. The least they could do is keep it fun.

BTW....something tells me that SETI@Home Classic died today...becuase both of the computers that I was running the client on up and spit "Unknown Errors" at me. I even went so far as to remove and reinstall the client.....and when I went to log in it didn't know who I was. This got me investigating and I ended up finding out about the BOINC change over. I wonder how many people will get errors like that and simply not investigate? I certainly had no idea.

Personally...I was looking forward to catching the next guy on my "Class of Day X" page. And for the record....I joined the project back in early 2000.

-Sisko99