I have Climate and Seti running on Boinc.
If one is running the other is paused, no brainer, but
I often catch both the running and paused cpu times going up at the same time.

Anyone else see this?
Have one Seti result at 57,xxx seconds. 2800+ cpu.

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> I have Climate and Seti running on Boinc.
> If one is running the other is paused, no brainer, but
> I often catch both the running and paused cpu times going up at the same
> time.
>
> Anyone else see this?
> Have one Seti result at 57,xxx seconds. 2800+ cpu.
>

Hi,

This is a known bug. I've reported it and so have others.

It was thought to be a Win9x specific bug, but it seems that the dev's at Einstein@home, have produced a client "exe" that when the project is paused on Win9x systems, the CPU time is also paused.

At present, all other projects do NOT pause the CPU time, when the project is paused, under Win9x.


As such, all of us still running a Win9x box are seeing our "total credits claimed" for each WU, be substantially higher than the same type WU if crunched on a Win NT/2k/XP box.

I don't think many people are running Win9x as the dev's do not appear to have made this a high priority fix.

Maybe it will get fixed. (Surely one of the stats websites can come up with some numbers/percentages of all the BOINC hosts as to how many are running Win9x ????).

Timbo

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Thanks for the reply, I will check for the client.
I would have searched for previous posts, didn't see a search engine. :)

Prob I had on the xp box, I deleted Seti project while it was running and had to restart Boinc to get anything crunching again. Verified with ctl+alt+del, no crunching was going on.

I couldn't find anything at Einstein except for
Sign up for email.
No forums or anything.

Have a link please?

> I couldn't find anything at Einstein except for
> Sign up for email.
> No forums or anything.
>
> Have a link please?
>
>

click here

Timbo

(PS Forgot to mention - membership is currently by invitation only as it's currently in TEST only - should be live sometime soon tho').

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Thank you.
Guess they want to keep project hidden? lol

> I have Climate and Seti running on Boinc.
> If one is running the other is paused, no brainer, but
> I often catch both the running and paused cpu times going up at the same
> time.
>
> Anyone else see this?
> Have one Seti result at 57,xxx seconds. 2800+ cpu.
>

As previously stated, this is a known bug. The only work-around at present is to set up a venue with "remove from memory when swapping". With this set, then the timers on Win9x work as you would expect them to.

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How would I go about doing that?
Or is that what Boinc eng. would have to do.

> How would I go about doing that?
> Or is that what Boinc eng. would have to do.
>

Go to whichever project that you manage your preferences from. For me it's SETI, since that was my first project.

You probably only have "Default" under General Preferences.

Click on Set Up Preferences for XXXX - Either Work, Home, or School

Leave everything else alone, unless you have a specific reason to change it but for "Leave in memory when swapping" select "NO"

save and then go to My Computers, and at the bottom, select the venue you have just updated for the Win9x machines.

Then go to the 9x machine(s) and connect to SETI (Project Tab/Right click Seti/ Update Now) and you should get a message that new preferences have been loaded.

Stop/Start BOINC and you should be good to go.

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> but it seems that the dev's at
> Einstein@home, have produced a client "exe" that when the project is paused
> Win9x systems, the CPU time is also paused.


I'm not completely sure this is true. On my WinME PC (running Seti-Predictor-Einstein) I also have this problem. The CPU time of Seti and Predictor will increase, even when paused/suspended.
The CPU time of Einstein stops increasing when paused, but when I exit and restart Boinc the CPU time of Einstein suddenly jumps to the CPU time it would have if the time was still increasing during the paused/suspended period of time. I checked it twice, it happened both times.

I'm not sure this is exactly the same bug, but it looks almost the same. I reported it to the dev's, they have to figure out what is happening. :-)

Oh right, I know what you are talking about, but then I will lose crunch time, won't I?
Something about it not being at a save'able point?

> Oh right, I know what you are talking about, but then I will lose crunch time,
> won't I?
> Something about it not being at a save'able point?
>

Only if you are running CPDN. Their checkpoints are REALLY far apart. The rest of the projects do check-points often enough that while you will lose a little bit, it's not enough to worry about.


Forgot to add one step.

After setting the venue the way that you want it, before connecting to the project, stop BOINC and edit the client_state.xml file and search for "venue" you will need to insert the name of the venue that you have edited. Otherwise, BOINC resets the next time you connect to the project. Then restart BOINC and force the connection

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Thank you
and yes, I run Climate on both machines. :(
:)

This issue has been fixed for those applications that have ben built against the dev branch of BOINC.

Just lookup the boinc_api.C file under the dev branch and search for 'Win9x' and you'll see the code changes we made to make this work.

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> This issue has been fixed for those applications that have ben built against
> the dev branch of BOINC.
>
> Just lookup the boinc_api.C file under the dev branch and search for 'Win9x'
> and you'll see the code changes we made to make this work.
>
>

I guess I'm missing something - "the Dev Branch"? Is there a list of such applications?

All I know is that even as far as CC4.15, my Win98se box exhibited this behavior.

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Well, it is not a BOINC problem specifically, each of the science applications have to be updated.

A web view of the source tree can be found here:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/

boinc is the dev branch, boinc_public is the public branch.

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