Posts by Yanivicious
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GPU applications :
What GPU's do the experts recommend?
(Message 1223687)
Posted 26 Apr 2012 by  Yanivicious
Post: by the way, if when i use a DVI cable to connect to that questionable Radeon 2600, find that it works, what would that mean? is it even possible that the display would be output without the drivers having recognized the card? (in device manager it is not listed, neither as an installed and properly working device, nor as hardware that needs a driver- no mention of it at all.. |
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GPU applications :
What GPU's do the experts recommend?
(Message 1223683)
Posted 26 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: thanks for your help my friend, much appreciated :) |
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GPU applications :
What GPU's do the experts recommend?
(Message 1223665)
Posted 26 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: 1. I will try to connect to the non-integrated (DVI) port tomorrow, as the computer is at my house and the cables are at my apartment I didnt get to try it yet. 2. For Vostro 220, PCI-E (here is the specs from Dell) Expansion Slots: PCI: 2 Slots PCIe x1: 1 Slot PCIe x16 (Graphics): 1 Slot Power Supply: 300W 3. For Inspiron 530, PCI-E as well, and 300 W power supply. PCI 2.3: two 124-pin connectors PCI Express x1: one 36-pin connector PCI Express x16: one 164-pin connector 4. The Dell Dimension 8250 has AGP and PCI, 250W power supply. 5. HP p6250t PCI-E capable, and 300 W power supply PCI : 1 PCI Express x16: 1 PCI Express x1: 2 I pasted some of the PCI/PCI-E from the site just to be more precise I'd spend around $100 each...I assume more expensive cards crunch faster? Does the size of the card really matter since BOINC only uses a certain amount per WU? |
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GPU applications :
What GPU's do the experts recommend?
(Message 1223657)
Posted 26 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: Hey guys, I have 3 systems that I would like to put a new GPU (or 2) into. Firstly, I have a core 2 duo Inspiron 530 that has a ATI Radeon 2600 XT that it came with. I have been unsuccesful in getting windows xp, or windows 7 (i upgraded the system to Windows 7 64bit to see if that would help) to recognize the card. I have ran the Radeon drivers, the catalyst suite, etc.. and they keep giving the message that no compatible hardware is found. Funny thing is, the fan on the GPU is running when the computer is on so I'm not sure what that's about. I read somewhere that it could mean the RAM on the GPU is fried. Because I have the computer connected via the integrated graphic card's VGA port, when I boot the computer up, immediately after BIOS a screen comes up that warns me that I am using the integrated graphics and that I should connect to the DVI ports if I want to use the other graphics card. So basically i don't really know what the deal is with that card. I was hoping it would work so that I can run the lunatics app for ATI cards. If anyone knows how to fix this I'd be happy to try, but otherwise I'd like to take that card out and add in a new NVIDIA card. I also have a core 2 duo Vostro 220 that has no additional graphics card so I'd like a recommendation on what to put in there. additionaly, I have an old p4 dell dimension 8250 that I just put a brand new HD into and its working great (as great as u could expct from a p4). This computer has the factory installed 128mb DDR ATI Radeon 9700tx, which I am pretty certain I can't use for crunching at all since it is ancient and only 128mb. If I could swap that one out for a different GPU I'd like to do so as well. lastly, I also have a newer HP p6250t which is a dual core E5300 with no GPU, and I'd like to put something appropriate in there too. So to review: 1. I need to either fix the Dell Inspiron 530's ATI Radeon 2600xt, or swap it for a different GPU. 2. Need a GPU for Dell Vostro 220 3. Need a GPU for P4 Demension 8250 4. Need a GPU for HP p6250t What I need you guys to help me with is; what are the most AFFORDABLE and compatible NVidia cards for each of these systems. I need the cards ONLY for crunching for S@H so I don't need the most expensive gaming GPU etc.. All of these machines are just on my network of crunchers, I don't use them for anything else. I know how to install GPU's, but I don't know much else about them so I'm counting on you GPU phreaks to help :) Once I know what I need, I'll be hopping on Amazon or another site to grab them. Many thanks guys. |
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Number crunching :
Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223192)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: I ended up ordering the Cooler Master SF 19, looks like a beast of a cooler and had the best reviews in the $50 price range. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004G603E2/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00 |
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CLOSED* SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIV *CLOSED
(Message 1223181)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: cool... thanks msattler. meow :) |
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CLOSED* SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIV *CLOSED
(Message 1223178)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: I joined S@H about 3 weeks ago and so far at 125,000 credits, but half of the systems I have running have only been crunching for about a week. I hope to make 200K by my 1 month anniversary. Does anybody know how long it generally takes for your RAC to flatline (assuming you don't add any new machines)? Michael john; why did it take so long to get to 100K when you have such a powerful i7-2600 with a GPU? is it a new system? from now on it will probably take you 13 days to do what took 13 years on less powerful machines. :) |
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Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223152)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: thanks for all the input guys, I am ordering some MX-4 thermal paste as i've read it is a little better than arctic silver (i've always used arctic silver myself but even an improvement of 5 degrees would be worth trying mx-4) i also was about to pull the trigger on http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Notepal-Notebook-R9-NBC-4WAK-GP/dp/B002MU1ZRS/ref=pd_cp_e_2 But now that Richard has pointed out the Zalman model, i'm not sure. The zalman models look like much higher quality (also much higher price tag). They have a Zalman NC-3000U, NC-3000S, NC-2000, NC-1000 etc.. so I'm gonna read up on the comparisons and buy one of these. Hopefully the thermal paste and notebook cooler will sufficiently drop heat so that this system can run higher than 800mhz, otherwise I may have to find a way to keep it plugged in while in the fridge/freezer ;-) |
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Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223095)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: no i dont hear the fans speeding up, yes the fans are blowing out very very hot air but i just dont hear them being louder than usual. i did not know that reusing the thermal paste was bad idea i just figured it was better than nothing. the GPU runs 24 hours a day also as it is doing CUDA tasks for SETI, and i've been monitoring its temp for weeks- it is a steady 57-62. i've learned a bit tonight, time to retire :) cheers. |
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Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223092)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: no i didnt change any of the paste when i opened it up, but since i got this system in early 2008 i think its a safe bet that i should do it. I am going to look into some cooling options as well, because i think it is rediculous that i spent all this money on a 2.8 ghz extreme chip and it is running at a fraction of its potential. even at a 6x multi its running around 85 degrees right now so i think i'll keep it at low frequency until i reapply some paste and find some cooling options. there is obviously extremely limited space inside of the laptop so if you or anybody knows of any good additional cooling solutions for a laptop like this one i'd love to hear about it and purchase it immidiately. thanks for all the help grant and let me know if there's anything else you think i should do. much appreciated. |
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Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223086)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: do you by any chance think that the system has been purposely limiting it to 4x because of heat? i dunno if thats even possible for it to stay at 4x indefinitely, i would think it would still try the higher multiplier at first and then back down if it was overheating, but i am just guessing here. dont really know anything about how these CPU's work. any programs you know of that i can use to force the fans? |
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Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223084)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: didnt see your post before the last one: no i dont hear the fans speeding up, but i gave this computer an extremely thurough cleaning 3 weeks ago. took apart the fans and everything. even tried to redistribute the hardened thermal paste on the GPU so it was centered again (it had hardened and moved to the corners and wasnt really on the GPU anymore. I did not open the CPU's though but I assume they are having the same issue[/quote] |
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Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223083)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: i was able to answer my own question by reading the manual - once activated, these settings stay in effect until you reboot whether TS is open or not. At 10x multiplier its running 80-90 degrees at 100% CPU use. i think thats near max temp no? i'm taking it back down to 8x for now. when i cleaned this system out a few weeks ago, the thermal paste was completely hardened, and this is a 4 year old system. perhaps i should apply some new arctic silver before running it above 8x? or do you know the temperature to be okay at that level? |
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Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223075)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: i tried it again, as soon as i load up throttle stop it automatically pushes the multiplier to 8x (confirmed on CPU-Z and Core Temp 1.0 RC3) and temperature seems to be steady around 35-40 when CPU's are not fully used. running BOINC at 100% of CPU, temp is at 45-55, depending on which program i'm looking at. |
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Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223073)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: Ok interesting development...I downloaded and loaded up THROTTLESTOP. In CPU-Z the multiplier jumped to 8 instantly, and throttlestop also confirmed an 8 multiplier (1600mhz)(i hadnt even touched anything, just loaded up the program). I went ahead and was able to check off a 14x multiplier with throttlestop and apply it and now it is running at 2.8 GHz. also temperature climbed from the 47 i am used to seeing, to about 80. as i was writing the message above the computer just turned off, and now that i'm booted back up, the multiplier is back to 4. apparently it was unstable at 14 lol. google chrome was able to restore the message i was in the middle of typing when the computer just turned off on me, pretty cool. are any of you familiar with throttlestop? looks like a program for overclockers (i never OC'd my computer before, and am not looking to), but if i can use this to get back to normal speed that would be nice. perhaps i need to find the right settings through throttlestop, but do u know if i need to have throttlestop loaded all the time in order for any modifications i make, to stick? or can i set, apply, and close, and the settings will stay applied indefinitely... |
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Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223068)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: Thanks guys, I will give that a shot. I scheduled a call back for tomorrow morning from tech support with alienware just now. since my computer is past warranty they want to charge me if they are able to solve the problem tomorrow, but hopefully i will be able to do this without them before that. i feel embarrassed to have to pay anyone to fix a computer for me, its something i've never had to do before- i used to work for a company building alienware laptop clones (literally the same laptops as what i have, extreme edition chips and everything), and the fun part is we would spend the last hour of the day benchmarking the systems we built while playing Quake 3 so that we could provide a printout of the results with each individual computer, lol. i also had to do tech support 1 or 2 days a week for the systems I built, which was not so fun. anyway, i wish the alienware BIOS wasn't so mysterious, and I've never encountered an issue like this before, and its been more than a few years since i was immersed in building/fixing computers every day of the week, so thanks again for your help. i will let you know what happens. |
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Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223051)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: damn. i wonder what caused it to be doing that. is this something you think i can fix myself or do i need to bring it to a pro somewhere? |
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Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223039)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: By the way, I called Alienware about this last night and they were NO help at all. It seemed I was more knowledgable about computers than the tech support guy, and he offered no further assistance to get to the bottom of the problem. He basically left it at "I don't know" and "I can't access your computer's information since you bought it prior to the Dell takeover of alienware". Very unprofessional tech support every time I've called them. |
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Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223038)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: Thank you for your response. Both cores are pretty steady at around 46-48 Celsius, at 24/7 100% use from BOINC. I crunch with both cores and GPU all the time, even when I'm using the computer, as I don't see much slowing of performance. I only suspend BOINC when I am doing something particularly CPU intensive. I had already checked the power settings (i leave it on high performance and have edited the settings as I needed, min and max CPU usage is at 100% for when plugged in). BIOS offers no options for my CPU at all, this alienware has actually the simplest BIOS i have ever seen, and I checked to see if there was an update for it earlier today but found none. I am not sure what kind of motherboard is in here, so I haven't checked for an update to that. So basically my multiplier should be at 14, right? |
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Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity?
(Message 1223027)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Yanivicious
Post: I had originally mentioned this a couple of weeks ago in a different thread, but thought it would more appropriate to move it to the number crunching thread. Over the past few days I have been looking into the question of my actual core speed again. With my Core 2 Duo Extreme x9000 2.8 Ghz, CPU-Z keeps reading under the "clocks" section (bottom half of the first tab, CPU): Core speed: 797.xx MHz Multiplier: x4.0 Bus Speed: 199.xx Rated FSB: 797.xx (the xx values are dynamic and change by the moment) Here is a link to a CPU-Z screen shot taken on a blog reviewing this same chip that I have: http://hothardware.com/image_popup.aspx?image=big_cpuz_stock.jpg&articleid=1165&t=a As far as I can see, every single one of the values are the same with mine and the one in this screen shot, except; Core VID (mine is 0.925 V), Core speed, and multiplier. All of the specification values are exactly the same (stepping, model, family, revision, etc.) I have also ran another 3 or 4 similar apps to CPU-Z and I am yet to see an affirmative reading of 2.8Ghz other than in the processor type field or estimated clock speed field. With a program called Core Temp 1.0 RC3, under frequency it says 797.76 (99.72 x 8.0). I have ran torture test with prime95 with both CPU-Z and core temp running and there was no rise in the multiplier or the core speed. I have seen the frequency as seen through the Core Temp 1.0 RC3 program change a few times when I open or close a program etc, but as it rose to well over 2800 mhz (as high as 16,000 mhz) for a split second, i figured that could not be right. either way, that only happened a couple of times and only for a split second. Now i understand that Core speed is generally the Multiplier x bus speed, but would that be the 200 bus speed or 800 rated FSB? 4 x 800 = 3200 which is higher than the 2.8 it should be, and 4 x 200 = 800 which is lower than 2.8 So to conclude, i see approx 2800 mhz in certain boxes, but 797ish on most others, particularly the dynamic ones where the value changes by a little each second, so i figure that is the important one. Also, I am used to using CPU-z and I only downloaded all those other programs to see if they said something different, so I would like to understand this in terms of CPU-Z. When I look through windows-->control panel--->system , it shows the Core 2 duo x9000 2.8 GHz, and repeats 2.80 Ghz a second time which i took to mean it is actually utilizing the 2.80 This is probably an annoying post to read through so I apologize, and I am probably burning my eyeballs out on the screen for the past few nights over nothing, but I just want to make sure this computer is using its full capacity to crunch. If anybody can further clarify or suggest a foolproof way to see if these processors are really running at 2.8 Ghz I would appreciate. As a side note, BIOS has no options for changing the multiplier, or even the speedstep tech. Apparently alienware didnt want us to actually be able to take advantage of the Extreme edition chips (in my understanding the whole point of the extreme edition was that you could manually edit the multiplier). Also, I installed windows 7 on this computer myself a few years ago, the computer came originally with XP and Alienware chose not to bother keeping up to date with windows 7 and discouraged us from upgrading our systems to windows 7, so I dunno if that is important or not. This post turned out much much longer than I intended, again I apologize for that.[url][/url] |
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