121) 留言板 : Number crunching : Photography (way off topic) (消息 10021) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: Well one thing I do know is that it isn't going to be part of the processing. All of the assignments are composition based. Since this is only the first level of photography, the developing and post processing is kept fairly simple and (with spot toning being the only type of post editing). But you've pointed me in a pretty cool direction and I may still yet find my answer. If anyone else has an idea or knows what he's asking for, then go ahead and post it. I'm going to be leaving work soon to work on some other prints so I probably won't see anymore replies until late tonight or tomorrow. Thanks to everyone who has helped so far. Chris > Chris > > There is a process known as blue printing or cyanotypes. > > Throw it into google and something should turn up. > > Or alternativly http://www.cyanotypes.com/ > > Even better : http://photography.about.com/library/weekly/aa061801e.htm > > Hope it helps > > Neil > >

122) 留言板 : Number crunching : Has validator gone to sleep? (消息 9990) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: Even though BOINC is technically released, you might consider it more of an "extended beta" or a "field test" since it would seem that they put it out into public hands to try to get everything ironed out a little faster than they were before. Maybe your team members would understand it a little better in that way. On the other hand maybe not. But that thought in mind could help you calm them at least. Berkeley's been hammering things out. They had more to fix than they expected but I'm sure that everything will settle down in the next few days and weeks, especially as subsequent versions are released. I also get the feeling they are close (as in the next 2-4 weeks) to shutting down SETI Classic's servers. I could be wrong about that, but if I'm not, I imagine that means they hope to get most everything fixed and "normal" by then. Chris > I know the team doesn't lose points because you tell me so :-), but as a team > founder it's really hard to convince team members to stick around and be > patient. I am not a very patient person myself - yes in the beta testing, but > not now. > > Will things ever be normal (if that's a word with any meaning in this > relation)? > > I'm more into tiny black holes from the birth of the Universe, which means > AstroPulse. Unfortunately I think it's still in beta. > >

123) 留言板 : Cafe SETI : Photography (way off topic) (消息 9983) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: Well I know that one isn't it. Our print developing is pretty basic. And since we aren't using fiber paper we aren't using hypo on the the prints. That again, is for the next photo course. But that is pretty cool to know and keep in mind for future reference. I'm not really into drinking photo chemicals so not to worry, no kidney necrocsis for me! As for the porno collection, I did a little more looking and I think the blue laws reference wasn't so much to porno as it was just moral laws in general. ;) The use of blue to refer to explicit material though wasn't one I realized until I looked it up with the lookup utility Word2003. Microsoft for some reason seems to always be quite willing to use word to point out sexual references. If you typed "zzzz" into one of the Word's, I dont remember which (95 or 97/8 maybe?), the spellchecker would say it was spelled wrong and one of the words it suggested was "sex." That was changed in the next version. :) Chris > As another possibility, B&W photots which are treated with AuCl (Gold > Cloride) will have a slightly blue cast to them, especially if kept in the > solution too long. It is used infrequently to treat well washed prints to > make them last for a millinum if kept under the proper conditions. Lots of > old photos turn yellow with age which is caused by slight traces of hypo still > not throughtly rinsed out of the print paper. Gold Chloride will counter act > this process and really fix the print; however it is expensive and you > wouldn't want to drink it (unless you want to commit slow suicide by kidney > necrocsis)) > > Enjoy! > > P.S. The other possibility, as previously eluded to, is that your instructor > is trying to have his students enlarge his porno collection. > > > Boinc ALPHA/BETA Tester src="http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/thefinalfrontear/love1.JPG"> >

124) 留言板 : Number crunching : winnt command line (消息 9940) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: The file is boinc_cli.exe and it is in the BOINC folder. It doesn't work real well yet as far as interfacing with the GUI yet or even working at the same time with the GUI. Its issues are not great, it just needs some work and it might be better to stay with the GUI for now. The CLI also lets you install BOINC as a service, but if you do that, you might want to disable BOINC from starting up on logon. You will may have to change the credentials that it uses to run if you choose the service option. Note though that when I used the CLI a few days ago, it seemed like it took just a little longer to process workunits than it did with the GUI. I'm guessing they are basically the same speed because BOINC itself doesn't actually do the work. It launches what is essentially a command line program in the background to do it's processing. In my mind the only advantage to using it is to run it as a service so it runs regarldess of being logged on. But until things work more smoothly, I'm going to let it be. Chris > I used the winnt command line version of the "classic" seti at home. I am > wondering if there are plans of making a version of boinc similar to the > command interface. > > -TSalinas > >

125) 留言板 : Number crunching : detaching from project / WU's (消息 9931) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: Having some idea of the priorities that education facilities employ, then you would probably have some idea of the incredible amount of work that the Dev Team has been putting into this project. They have been very prompt in responding to the various problems and outages in order to stabilise and appease people. I've actually been fairly impressed by it. On the server side, to some degree server load and bandwidth can be estimated. I'm not sure that bandwidth was ever really a problem. What was a problem though was that extremely high workload that some of the various server-side software applications exposed weaknesses and problems not previously detected under lower loads. In some cases the hardware either failed because it was bad or overloaded or whatever. Some of that could have been predicted and accounted for in advance, but the Dev Team in a previous thread stated that due to the way BOINC was released before officially going public, their prediction models were botched. So couple that with software and hardware that has many different components that all depend on each other and the complexities of the distributed computing, and you're going to have a lot of problems. But hey, it works. Not all of the features are enabled or work like they are supposed to, but on the basic level, it does work. And things are getting better with it. Patience. Let the bugs be known so that they can be fixed. But aside from that, I am tired of people complaining essentially for the sake of complaining. It seems to have become the big thing around here and it doesn't improve anything. I'm not saying you were doing that, and based on your response I don't think you were. But the only way things are going to improve is by letting USB know what needs to be fixed. Help them help us help them. Chris > LOL....well it does look like my comments stirred a few things up. > > Perhaps the term shareholders wasn't quite right. The point I was trying to > make - and obviously failing - was that we contribute a lot of time, effort > and money to this. We, as users provide the vast majority of the hardware that > runs this project, and yes it is volountary and we can take our hardware > elsewhere, but without this donation of computer time this project couldn't > exist as it does. > And Christopher, I do deal with different levels of projects - actually in a > University - which is why I made the point of saying "in any commercial > concern", as educational priorities are obviously different. I also spec and > build institutional servers, and with reasonable technical knowledge it is > possible to estimate the server/servers neccessary to efficiently run given > applications for different levels of network bandwidth. > Dont get me wrong, I really am saddened that this project has disheartened me > as much as it has. > >

126) 留言板 : Number crunching : detaching from project / WU's (消息 9917) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: The project URL to use is: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu That is what the install instructioins say to use, it's what I use, and it works. The one you use may work, but who knows if it will continue to work or not. I generally find it best to use the server that they post. Chris > Well I tried for a day and 1/2 to connect and re-attach with the > http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/ address, finally I did a google search > and the ssl url came up and I got back into the site and reattached as soon as > I used that address & I've been using it ever since... >

127) 留言板 : Number crunching : No work from project (消息 9913) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: Their splitter kicked out on them. Give 'em a break. Besides, since workunits are actually processed only 3 times now (with late submissions a little hazy at this point), the supply of workunits is exhausted much faster. It's been stated that it is entirely possible that in the near future there won't be any problems and enough data will still not be available for everyone to process all of the time. And I think that came from someone on the Dev Team. So sit back, relax, and let the software do its thing. No sense in getting an ulcer over it. > 10 different machines with BOINC instatlled today. only ONE has recevied work > in 8 hours!!! > > glad to know the project is about OVER!! > > > SETI@home - 2004-07-19 12:38:28 - Message from server: No work available > >

128) 留言板 : Number crunching : detaching from project / WU's (消息 9866) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: You should read what both Bill and I said. If you followed the instructions for setting BOINC up then you shouldn't need to worry about changing stuff around. The only real thing you should have to change though is the server in the XML (delete the scheduler) and rename the server name folder to the correct server name. Or perhaps if you are able finish your workunits, turn them in, and then detach reattach with the correct one. These and the instructions he gave are simply for retaining workunits. Bill: For the sake of accuracy, the server that BOINC connects to (the scheduler) is actually http://setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu/say_cgi/cgi :) Chris > http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/ is the URL I am connecting to right > now, and it's the URL address the BOINC GUI says I'm connecting to, it's where > I'm getting my work from also ... We shouldn't ever have to go through what > bfarrant is saying to do. > > I am probably capable of doing that, but why should I have to to reconnect > with SETI, and how many people are out there that if you gave them 10 years to > figure it out they still wouldn't be able to do it. > > >

129) 留言板 : Cafe SETI : Photography (way off topic) (消息 9860) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: No on both counts. I have plenty of workunits for a while, but I haven't been able to download any more for some time. As far as "the blue laws" go, I just did a tiny bit of looking and some writings of some guy (Peters I believe?) where he discussed some made-up oppressive "blue laws." Is that to what you are refering? If so, tell me more, and if not, please enlighten me. :) Chris > > Drat.. That's not good for an engineering student... ;) > > > > > sounds like a zinger thrown in to asess creativity... > > > I go with mood... > > > Arch > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you never heard of 'the blue laws' young man? > Besides, is anyone getting any, work units I mean? >

130) 留言板 : Cafe SETI : Photography (way off topic) (消息 9842) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: Drat.. That's not good for an engineering student... ;) > sounds like a zinger thrown in to asess creativity... > I go with mood... > Arch > >

131) 留言板 : Number crunching : Photography (way off topic) (消息 9839) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: The coloring of B&W prints is introduced in the next course. And for clarification, a yellow filter to a red filter emphasize skies and clouds in increasing order (red being the most) and are great for bringing out clouds. A blue filter would basically whiten the sky on B&W. My dislike picture actually had a really cool whispy cloud that showed up outstandingly using a yellow filter. Chris > Some more. > > One of the first photographic printing processes used a blue pigment for black > and white prints. Don't know what he'd expect from that though? Unless you > have to make a print in this style? > > Also, maybe the use of a blue filter. Which would give more emphasis to > subjects likes skies. > > Mood as bfarrant suggests may be the most likely though? B&W has always > been an excellent medium for the study of emotions... > > >

132) 留言板 : Number crunching : Photography (way off topic) (消息 9832) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: That's what I meant by feeling. And it is possible. I just don't know. I mean, according to the dictionary blue really can mean just about anything except red, and even then you could practically say it is "the absence of blue." It takes so long to develop a print though and there is so little time left in the course, I would like to be more sure of what it is he wants before I spend my time developing it. > Perhaps he is referring to blue as in a mood not a colour. As in melancholy. > Is it possible he's asking you to compose your photographs to portray a > feeling of despair, sadness etc. ? >

133) 留言板 : Number crunching : detaching from project / WU's (消息 9828) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: This is kind of interesting. The instructions for setting up BOINC said to use http://setiathome.berkeley.edu when it went public. And that is what people have always been told to use on here when they've had problems. I didn't realize anyone was actually using another URL or that another URL was even working. But changing the server in the top of the XML file definately seems the way to go in order to not lose workunits. I also know that if you flat out delete the scheduling server (AND its identifier tags) it will automatically update with the main URL to retrieve the location of the scheduler. If you don't delete those scheduler identifier tags though it assumes the url of the server is well.. nothing and doesn't work. Chris > I also ran in to the problem where when the URL was changed my machines could > no longer contact the schedulers - so they were unable to update to the new > URL. It is possible to edit some of your files and directory names to get to > the new URL without losing your WU's. Below is the text from a previous post > of mine on the subject - hope it helps : > > > Yes you can, I did it on several of my computers. I tried with one and didn't > have any luck, so I detached > and re-attached that computer and then did a comparison of the files on that > computer to the other computers > and edited them accordingly. I should have written everything down, but I > didn't - so here's what I found > as far as I can remember : > > - shut down Boinc > - back up your BOINC directory first (of course) so you can recover if need > be > - rename "account_setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu.xml" to > "account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml" > - in the "projects" directory, rename the directory > "setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu_sah" to "setiathome.berkeley.edu" > > - edit the following files, replacing "http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/" > with "http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/" > these addresses are usually associated with the tag "master_url" : > > in the main Boinc directory: > - "account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml" > - "client_state.xml" > - "sched_request.xml" > > in each of the "slots" directories (if you have more than one): > - "init_data.xml" needs to have "C:/Program > Files/BOINC/projects/setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu_sah" replaced with > "C:/Program Files/BOINC/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu" to let it know of > the name change you did to the directory > - "result.sah" > - "setiathome_3.08_windows_intelx86.pdb" > - "work_unit.sah" > > I also deleted the files "stderr.old" and "stdout.old", and edited > "stderr.txt" and "stdout.txt" to remove all data > from them so that when I re-started Boinc I knew it would start off without > any log data, just to be sure. > > Fire Boinc up and do a project update, it should work unless I forgot > something. >

134) 留言板 : Number crunching : detaching from project / WU's (消息 9822) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: I could go for a dollar per cobblestone. ;) Then maybe I could get some of my debt paid off and pay for school.. :) And then I could buy new computer equipment to get more cobblestones even faster ... ahh I better stop before I set myself up for too much disappointment :) > Bah!!! I am in it for the money > ========== > > :O When do they send out the first Paycheck ... > >

135) 留言板 : Number crunching : detaching from project / WU's (消息 9819) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: I don't think everything is necessarily all "fine and dandy." There is work to be done. Constructive criticism is much better than moaning about how bad things are or that nothing works. What's bad? What doesn't work? Those are the questions we should be answering for the Dev Team. You can complain and say how much things suck until your tongue fingers are bruised from the keyboard and NOTHING will change. But when people calm down, explain your problem clearly, and stop complaining about how nothing is going right, others can start helping them or explain what is going on while the Dev Team can go find the error and fix the problem there if possible, and communicate to us the cause/status/solution of the problem and any other relavent information. I don't see why we should jump down Berkeley's throat about this. It's pointless and doesn't solve anything. Chris > I'm saying don't complain that there are problems. > ========== > > Sure Chris, I think I'll go outside and smell the Roses everythings fine and > dandy in here I guess ... :/ >

136) 留言板 : Number crunching : Photography (way off topic) (消息 9811) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: I know this forum isn't really meant for this, and that people don't take to kindly to random off-topic posts and such, but it's possible there might be someone here who could help me out with this problem. I'm taking a black and white photography class and our assignments for our final portfolio are like/dislike (one of each), lights and shadows (2 total), blue (2 total), and shape composition (two total). The problem is that noone in the class really knows what "blue" is and when we ask the teacher what it is he always gives us an ambiguous response and said that we should look it up [in the dictionary]. I did and emailed him asking him about it because it essentially said blue could mean just about anything except red. He emailed me back saying "if it is blue to you you might be right." Now if this were color photography it would be easier. It could also be referring largely to the color of the sky since skies don't do very well without a yellow, orange, or even red filter. But filter's aren't required for the class so I'm not sure if that is what he means or if he is more after a particular feeling. In any case I'm running out of time to figure it out. If anyone knows what it is he is asking for I would appreciate the help. Thanks, Chris

137) 留言板 : Cafe SETI : Photography (way off topic) (消息 9810) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: I know this forum isn't really meant for this, and that people don't take to kindly to random off-topic posts and such, but it's possible there might be someone here who could help me out with this problem. I'm taking a black and white photography class and our assignments for our final portfolio are like/dislike (one of each), lights and shadows (2 total), blue (2 total), and shape composition (two total). The problem is that noone in the class really knows what "blue" is and when we ask the teacher what it is he always gives us an ambiguous response and said that we should look it up [in the dictionary]. I did and emailed him asking him about it because it essentially said blue could mean just about anything except red. He emailed me back saying "if it is blue to you you might be right." Now if this were color photography it would be easier. It could also be referring largely to the color of the sky since skies don't do very well without a yellow, orange, or even red filter. But filter's aren't required for the class so I'm not sure if that is what he means or if he is more after a particular feeling. Any help would be appreciated. I'm a bit in a jam trying to figure out what it is he wants. Thanks, Chris

138) 留言板 : Number crunching : I have work units, but they aren't "working". Help ?! (消息 9803) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: If you installed the CLI as a service then that might cause it to appear like it isn't doing anything. The CLI does work, but I have had a few problems with it and it seems almost as though running it as a service takes longer for me. If the CLI isn't installed and processing then I would check the Task Manager to see if what your processor load is. If it is 0%, then there is definately something more to figure out. If it is 100%, what process (or processes) is using 100% of (or the bulk of) the CPU (usually reported on a single process as using 99%). The BOINC program shouldn't be using any. There should be a process that starts with "seti" and is kind of a long name. If BOINC is processing, that process should have nearly all of the resources (but gives it up to whatever needs it). If it's open and not hogging the resources, it is possible that the CPU is being used by something else. I've had a wierd occasional problem with WinXP where Explorer.exe hogs all of the resources and I have to kill the process and restart explorer manually using Task Manager. Basically, you need to find out what your computer IS doing, not what you think it's NOT doing. Post again if this helps or not. We'll try to help you get things working if not. Chris --- EDIT - I left a lot of the specific instructions out to keep the post a little shorter. If you need me to include specific steps on how to do stuff, let me know. > Well, the folders do already exists, and I have tried leaving the BOINC client > shut off for quite some time now. Still nothing, anyone else wanna take a shot > at this one ? > > >

139) 留言板 : Number crunching : detaching from project / WU's (消息 9795) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: Ok, here I go again. I have continued to use the same project URL since BOINC went public with no problem. They changed the schedulers once but in most cases after a few failures that autocorrected. Others learned the hardway that if you detach/reattach you lose all of the workunits, completed and ready to send or not yet touched. Fair enough. That's how people learn, and problems (potential or otherwise) get discovered and fixed. You shouldn't need to detach/reattach to get your units sent. But even so, in these early stages of BOINC, it is probably a good idea not to get too far ahead in case changes are made to lighten server load, fix bugs or whatever causing some kind of change like that. And should something that drastic happen, I should expect UCB to communicate it fairly quickly. Don't be amazed at my attitude of acceptance and praise for UCB. I applaud them as much for the success as for the failures. And that is because thus far, they have been prompt at fixing problems once the arise. Problems that otherwise would have been difficult to find without a full load on the system. The software is relatively sound. It has it's problems, but the BASIC functionality works. Would I have liked a better product? Sure. But it's free software, from a nonprofit scientific organization with limited assets. It works. Not perfectly, but it still works. You obviously don't have much experience dealing with lower budget software projects, or even higher budget ones for that matter. You are making the same irrational complaints as have already been made before. And they still don't hold any ground. The problems encountered could not really be accurately guaged or found except under a real live action load designed to stress every aspect of the system simultaneously and in the same manner as a release. As far as being a shareholder? I use between 3 and 5 computers at any given time (sometimes a bit more for limited periods of time). I essentially dedicate my BEST computer to processing SETI, pushing other processor intensive applications to a computer that has less than HALF of the processing ability, sometimes spending days or even upwards of a week on them just so SETI can get the most from me. I overclocked and overvolted recently for another project and elected to leave it there with a house fan focused on it just to keep the thing cool so that SETI could take advantage of it. So now it's using more electricity, creating a lot more heat (very noticeable to the temperature of my room, and noise from that stupid fan. But yet I do not consider myself a "shareholder" or "entitled" to anything more than we have recieved. It isn't my project. It is UCB's. They choose to handle it in whatever way they see fit and best, and in my opinion, they have handled things fairly well and been much more communicative than I've ever seen. I consider the personal costs of running SETI minimal when compared with the exhorbinate prices of many software programs that function very poorly and are produced by multibillion dollar companies (MS Windows Me, Windows 98 for many, even the super stable WinXP with all of its security problems). I'm not saying there aren't problems that need to be fixed. I'm saying don't complain that there are problems. Make the problems known so they can be fixed and try to be nice and understanding about it. The folks at UCB have been putting in a lot of time on this and need all of the help they can get. And with that, I am SERIOUSLY disappointed with the incredible lack of open-mindedness of people donating computer time to a project designed to find extraterrestrial life, something that I thought most closed-minded people would scoff at. Chris > OK, so here we go......... > Seeing Berkeley didn't bother to tell users that the main project URL had > changed, and you need to enter an entirely different one now. What happens to > already completed WU's that are sitting in your cache unsent, when you detach > from the project and reconnect to the new URL - from the looks of it they are > deleted. I have hundreds sitting on various machines and if this is the case > IT IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. > > I read the posts on here occasionally and am amazed at the attitude of a lot > of the posters. ie..... > well done Berkeley > smooth upgrade > job well done > blah, blah > > well I'm sorry but it hasn't been up until now. The software is finicky and > unfinished, the servers unreliable and the whole new Boinc thing has already > put off a whole load of crunchers with already mentioned crazy points systems > etc > I've been looking forward to Boinc/Seti2 for a long time now, as a lot of us > have, and with the Beta/Alpha taking forever as it did I expected the project > when made live to be well finished and professional. ITS NOT! > From the looks of it even the servers weren't specced correctly, and couldn't > take the load. > In any commercial concern if a project was run like this there would be > SERIOUS questions asked of everyone involved. > Before I get flamed and shot down for critising, remember we all donate our > computer time to this project ie electricity costs etc, and therefor are > shareholders in this - so if we have serious concerns they should be dealt > with immediately. > I'm SERIOUSLY dissapointed with all of this > >

140) 留言板 : Number crunching : Will my classic stats be updated in the future (消息 9616) 发表于：19 Jul 2004 作者： Christopher Hauber Post: On SETI Classic and SETI BOINC you have a unique account number that is used in URLs (also stated in your user account for BOINC) which is probabl what would be used for transferring the account. I don't know if the number is the same or not between the 2 versions, but I would hope that there is some kind of record kept to match account numbers to work around such problems as you described. Alternatively, they could always use some sort of manual transfer where you use one of the two websites to transfer the old account data if you care to do so. That would probably require people to login to their SETI account (passworded one) on the old page and sending the data to the "user hash" for BOINC, but I suppose it could work in reverse order. Who knows, I imagine we will get some information on it tomorrow when they discuss it tomorrow and Rom gets back to us with some of the details. Chris > It all depend wether or not they do another Snapshot, which i am also hoping > for, but if they do it will be frustrating for people who have joined BOINC as > they may have info that no longer matches, emails, names ect. I have changed > everything, but i have also changed SETI classic to match. i just hope they do > make another snapshot. > Snapshot: 401 current:418 hope:500

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