Robert its true i am very angry ,not at you people but at they way you want to defend the Ts ,and dont mistake the taliban for the moslems as a whole,or the afgan people.These people are funding and confusing the whole region and from just there signatures and videos they look like the worst kind that has invaded our planet if they are not causing instability in pakistan then they are in afganistan or linked to alqueda thus reaching as far as Africa in somalia and the sudan and now penetrating nigeria ,there beliefs are beyond understanding and they are a determined lot and yet you want to give them a proper hearing ,I just cant understand that.The afgans have suffered terribly because of them, they dont want dialogue ,their banners carry signs of the sword and yet you still want to treat them as humans ,what kind of humans are these? NIN ki also likes them i just wonder.Its true there must be proof that they people were Taliban fighters but if indeed they were Ts then they deserve what they got ,because it doesnt matter if they surrender or not,if they plead guilty or not .We dont like and dont want that lot roaming our planet ,there is just not enough oxygen to share with them,We shall sleep better and do they other things after they are cleaned of the face of the earth,if they want peace let them lay down their arms and go to there homes ,but if caught in action let them face the justice they practice ,however painfull it may seem to some.About trying them i dont see the need for that ,trials can be done the military way right on they spot were they are caught, soldiers and those commanding them are not insane ,they are properly trained to make a destinction between who is the enemy and who is not.If we trust them with our lives and send them to do such a task ,lets not start asking how they do it,They have a code of conduct right from the high command to the lowest rank,they have they military police who know every thing, so why start all these petition on something you dont know much about except what you read in the papers.If A T IS CAUGHT HE DEFINATELY DESERVES A D .To me they are all guilty by association !i have no mercy for that kind of people .

I agree with you that Taliban have done atrocious acts, but that does mean we drop our own moralistic values and re-write, on-the-fly our international laws. Although these war criminals were probably going to be executed when they're trial did come to fruition - it was not the duty of these soldiers to carry out this massacre. It was to be the decision of the Muslim people in Afghanistan once a stable government had been successfully installed.

Everyone here knows that the Taliban have forced themselves into innocent peoples lives. And that they have threatened them with violence and enacted upon it. They instil fear into the people of the territories that they forcibly occupy - force them to shelter them, feed them and fight for them, and if they refuse they will be executed as well as they're families.

"Trials done the military way" - The military could not have been 100% assured that these people were not innocents and this is why things need to go to hearing At the end of the day by the time these people were in custody they were unarmed, and although most if not all of them were Taliban, there was a chance that some were civilians and had the right to a fair trial!

There is nothing wrong with this subject going under the microscope, if they did anything unlawful it should go to public inquiry, and if they stayed within the "code of conduct" then they have nothing to worry about...

This is a short film on the topic of the Afghan Massacre from the organization Physicians for Human Rights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdZlIEVtzN8&feature=PlayList&p=0204648E8196B9F3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=70

Version 6 of Boinc does have a bug that when you lose your Internet connection the graphic interface (GUI) will stop taking with the core client and will become unresponsive. I've had the same problem several times. Hopefully this will be fixed before the next version is released.

If you notice the loss of Internet it is a good idea to go in the Advanced view - Activity menu - select Network activity suspended. Restore to network available once you have the Internet is accessible again.

Moon,

What a stunningly beautiful environment in which to live. It reminds me of the years I lived on an island off the coast of Maine, my home state - the rocks, the sea, that particular blue of sky. It also stirs another part of my soul - perhaps the Scandinavian ancestry that is a part of who I am. I remember the first time I saw a picture of the fiords of Norway and gasped aloud with some sort of recognition. Whatever it is, your home looks like home to me so much more than the lush greens - this year because of the rains - or the dried browns of the usual summer drought we normally experience here.
I know you love it. Enjoy it for yourself and for those of us who long to go home, some day, to such a place.

Thank you Nin Ki ;-) mmmmhh... It sounds like you should move ;-))
Yes - I love it here - and i should really wish for all of you to
live where your heart is.. or is it the soul that belongs to a special
place..? hmm. Im not sure.. Anyway - Im sure that both my heart and my
soul belongs here where I am.. I have also lived other places in Norway -
For about 10 years i was moving around - on school and work.. I had a
good time, but i really missed the sea..and that high sky.. Then some
big changes happend.. The situation itself was pretty horrible, but as
we know - good things can come out of the worst situations.. So..I moved
back here.. and I knew from that moment that I would never leave again
if Im not forced to.. Probably not then either.. ;-))

You are the one who seems to not understand the concept Kasule.
This thread was started to point out an accusation of a war crime and the possibility of an American troop presence at the time it happened.

Everything you point out in your responses is based on the notion that $&!- happens in the heat of battle. When bullets are impacting all about a soldier and bombs are dropping in the area, it is easy to understand how someone could commit an act which would seem inhuman in order to survive.
This isn't the case in the documentary.
The battle was over. The killing had stopped. The enemy had dropped their weapons and surrendered.
It is what happens after the battle that defines one's morality and values.

My point basically is that the media reporting seems to engender a negative concept of law enforcement among the populace, If one goes into a encounter with a negative attitude such as the purported victim did he can expect to be seen as a DUCK! A suspicious person. Racial profiling claims in this case are simply a negative attitude gone wrong and he should of KNOWN THAT being so highly educated.

some movies speak louder than words, though movies they are, reality is much worse!

get a copy. HAVE FUN WITH THE ENTERTAINMENT.

TEARS OF THE SUN

I concur with Nin Ki on almost every point except I MUST point out that getting pissy about supposed personal affronts stems largely from media portrayal of law enforcemnt officers.
The newsrags and posts are chock full of police faux pas but darn few mentions of the crimes thwarted or efforts made on behalf of victims by enforcement departments.
We are too ready to yell POLICE BRUTALITY when in actuality these are people who are likely to meet the worst side of our society more than the better side and are mentally prepared to encounter it without prior notice.
I have to admit even my local cops come on strong - I am often used by the Elgin police as a training exercise for police cadets since I drive a rather garish 1978 Trick Van
I guess it's like the old saw says - If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and acts like a duck - It just MIGHT be a Duck!

Det høyrest bra ut James ;-)

Men beer blir kalla ØL i Norge. Og "alt er satt bort." eller
betre; "Alt er sett på plass." ;-))

Im sitting with my comp to print out some brochurts for my
little place here in the ocean.. It takes some time, so I can
have a peek in here also..

Outside its rainging today - no wind but pretty grey..
But yesterday it looked like this; - i took this shot
when I came back home again in early afternoon.. ;-)

How to ruin the taste of a good beer

By Ruben Navarrette
San Diego Union Tribune

July 29, 2009

It has been two weeks since his arrest by Cambridge Police Sgt. James Crowley, and Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. still needs an attitude adjustment.

That’s what my father’s generation of old-school law enforcement officers was known to provide now and then when someone mouthed off, or lobbed insults or challenged their authority. Today, folks on the job refer to this sort of thing as “contempt of cop.” It’s not illegal, but it’s also not a smart thing to do if you have an aversion to handcuffs and steel bars, since there are plenty of other things for which you can be arrested.

Just ask Gates, who was written up for “loud and tumultuous behavior” at his house.

What needs adjusting isn’t Gates’ attitude toward law enforcement; that’s between him and the police. The real problem is his presumptuous attitude toward the rest of us. The professor needs to stop calling what happened to him a “teaching moment.” We’re not his students. More importantly, we’re not the ones who let our ego get the best of us and went ballistic over a simple and harmless request to provide identification.

And how unreasonable was that request given that Gates’ house had been broken into on a previous occasion? I bet Gates wonders: “Where were the police then?” The experience of becoming a crime victim has a way of turning a liberal into a conservative. And what about the passerby who called police to tell them that two men were trying to break into the house? Gates probably wishes someone had called the police during that earlier incident. Neighborhood Watch indeed.

The only person who needs to learn a lesson from all this is Gates, and the syllabus for that course should include a few lines about the proper way to interact with police officers. I’m surprised that, with all the knowledge that Gates has acquired on the way to becoming one of the nation’s most renowned public intellectuals, he never learned how to talk to a police officer — and, more importantly, how not to talk to one.

The answer is politely and with deference, with the goal of diffusing tension rather than exacerbating it. And this is universally true, whatever your color or the color of the officer.

Gates also sounded a tad naive when he said that the incident “made me realize . . . how vulnerable all black men are, how vulnerable all people of color are and all poor people to capricious forces.” He has spent his career chronicling the African-American experience, and he just realized this now? That speaks to how detached the Harvard professor is from his own subject matter.

Besides, this incident wasn’t about racial profiling — a concept that Crowley is well acquainted with since, for five years, he has taught police academy recruits how to avoid it. What this incident was really about was Crowley trying to control a situation that was quickly getting out of control.

That point seems lost on President Barack Obama, who said that the Cambridge police had “acted stupidly” only to walk back on that statement a couple of days later. At moments like this, Obama seems to be struggling with an inner tension between the responsibility he feels to offer the country some special insight into such matters as the first black president and the desire to be post-racial. It’s a difficult tightrope to walk, and the Gates arrest made the president lose his footing.

Obama tried to make peace with Crowley by inviting him — and Gates — to the White House for a beer. It’s a nice gesture. It’s not every day that a cop on the beat gets an offer like that. But what concerns me is that Obama also said that he sees this incident as a “teachable moment.”

Oh dear. Just what does the president think is the lesson from all this, and who does he think needs to learn it?

As Crowley enters the premises of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., he should be careful. I hope he doesn’t find himself cast as racially insensitive or on the wrong end of a lecture about how to do police work by those who have never had to do it.

After all, nothing ruins a good beer like the taste of condescension.

I just noticed my post below is pointing at my quickly receding hairline... LOL!!

A bald friend of mine has a poster on his office door at work that reads:

God made only a few perfect heads.

The rest he covers with hair.

LOL!!! I fear though, I may have inadvertently neglected to show up for my perfect head, and took a day off on the day hair was handed out... ;-D

<-- Notice Anything Different???

I donated!!! Only $50.00 but I also want to complete my T-Shirt Order with Uli so its all I could afford... For Now!!!

Only through tolerance and honest perception of other's circumstances can peace be achieved - and I mean this to apply to all, not just us but I, we, are willing to be the first. That takes courage, too.
Do not be deceived, the person of peace may prove to be the most formiddable foe when necessity dictates.

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What if the other party doesnt want peace, and what honest perception are you looking for from people who prevent the education of their on children, prevent women from working and believe in ideology of the dark ages. I personally cant be deceived, because if i could be deceived i wouldnt be sitted here writting this to you and if you are waiting for an event to occur before you realize who is friend and who is foe then it might just happen, but you will be so shocked that you wont even know whats going on. if you are comparing this event to the ww-2 then lets just say that the Taliban are the nazis now.There people who one can talk to and there those no matter what you do ,you cant be a friend ,its your right to petition and that i have no right to take away from you but just remember you may be just petition for the devil.These is not a war of words but a discussion ,so you do not misguide the American people by using their weak point of been good people and led them to a point of despair ,I personally have nothing against both of you though the words may be rough at times but thats because we come from different parts of the world and there is bound to be such.

Coffee, chocolate, and Baileys . . . breakfast of champions.
With all due respect, champions of WHAT???? I had to laugh - out loud - and ask.

John Belushi's Little Chocolate Donuts video:
http://www.ifood.tv/video/john_belushis_little_chocolate_donuts