Posts by William Kendrick

21) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1082542)
Posted 1 Mar 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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i think your eyes should re read what i said. and, since youw brought it up, i said that he'd make a good one... i never said he was one... love how you twisted my words... too bad its posted above us for posterity, and inflammatory comments like yours are against the rules, too.

i was commenting on his thoroughness. often, the best trolls are the ones who are thorough, thats all.
dont read too far into comments i post, they are made lightly.


It's not the way people read it though. I decided to semi-ignore it though, glad I wasn't the only one with either train of thought.


i totally understand.
but no worries. the statement was meant, in a weird way, to be a compliment to your thoroughness, nothing more.

hope i cleared that up.
22) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1082480)
Posted 28 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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Here are the results of running the BOINC benchmarks. All 4 versions were run on the same machine. I ran the benchmarks 5 times with consistent results between each run. Each run I saw a change of less than 100 for each value. The x86 version of BOINC generated consistent results in Windows 7 x64 & Windows 7 x86.

From the numbers you can see the different versions & platforms of BOINC give different results for the benchmark.

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.43 for windows_x86_64
Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz
Memory: 3.99 GB physical, 7.98 GB virtual
Disk: 40.00 GB total, 31.26 GB free
Benchmark results:
Number of CPUs: 8
2685 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
11070 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.43 for windows_intelx86
Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz
Memory: 3.99 GB physical, 7.98 GB virtual
Disk: 40.00 GB total, 31.26 GB free
Benchmark results:
Number of CPUs: 8
2785 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8211 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.58 for windows_x86_64
Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz
Memory: 3.99 GB physical, 7.98 GB virtual
Disk: 40.00 GB total, 31.26 GB free
Benchmark results:
Number of CPUs: 8
2682 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
11067 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.58 for windows_intelx86
Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz
Memory: 3.99 GB physical, 7.98 GB virtual
Disk: 40.00 GB total, 31.26 GB free
Benchmark results:
Number of CPUs: 8
2788 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
7980 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU


To run the benchmarks I have program folder for each version of BOINC in folders like this:
D:\BOINC Apps\Boinc 6.10.43 exes\x64\
D:\BOINC Apps\Boinc 6.10.43 exes\x86\
D:\BOINC Apps\Boinc 6.10.58 exes\x64\
D:\BOINC Apps\Boinc 6.10.58 exes\x86\
I ran them separately without being attached to a project to avoid any speculation of any project influencing the results.


each and every time its ran on a x64, the dhrystone is significantly higher. same as i found.. i ran it on two different machines. both times the numbers were consistant with those i posted earlier... i dont get it...
23) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1082479)
Posted 28 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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no no, i left it there for posterity, i did see your post... i just thought i'd be funny to respond to it lol


But you called -BeNt- a troll, a term that I find is tossed around a little too much these days, and is considered to be inflamatory.

I'm not certain that very many people here on these forums could spot a real internet troll type personality. It seems we label anyone we don't like or says things we disagree with to be trolls, but there's a major difference between someone having a different opinion and a troll looking to get a rise out of people.


i think your eyes should re read what i said. and, since youw brought it up, i said that he'd make a good one... i never said he was one... love how you twisted my words... too bad its posted above us for posterity, and inflammatory comments like yours are against the rules, too.

i was commenting on his thoroughness. often, the best trolls are the ones who are thorough, thats all.
dont read too far into comments i post, they are made lightly.
24) Message boards : Number crunching : lunatics download question/ i7 versions (Message 1082175)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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thanks for clearing that up
25) Message boards : Number crunching : lunatics download question/ i7 versions (Message 1082123)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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so can the 1090t (amd phenom 2 black edtion@3.8) run sse4.1?
from what i understood, i thought it was amd that made 4.1.. am i mistaken?
26) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1082110)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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The BOINC core client is what does the benchmarks, and it does come in both 32 and 64 bit Windows versions. If you're still running the 32 bit version, the benchmarks have probably been affected by running under WOW64. OTOH, if you did a 64 bit BOINC install after switching to 64 bit Windows, the benchmarks are different at least partially because it's a different compile of the sources.
                                                                Joe


thank you joe.
boincmagr.exe does not have a *32 bit behind it, so i have to assume it is indeed 64 bit boinc/seti.

every one of you who commented, thank you very much. i apologize for my inexperience, and what a great community! some of the bigger crunchers even came in here to chime in... I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT :)
here's what i have surmised from this:
the 64 bit instruction set is bigger and uses more ram(DUH); i only have 4 gigs of ram. my cpu is overclocked to 3.8@1.5 volts. i only have a 212 core gtx 260 dualfrozr ocv2, and by upgrading it seems to have opened it up a bit.

overall, i have found 64 bit windows to be desireable, especially from a mixed setup such as mine, where i do encoding, video editing, and video gaming, on the same rig, so if you're looking into hopping over, dont hesitate! except the price, of corse ;)

my whetstone lowered because of the increased instruction set; thats what i think anyway, and my dhrystone increased almost 2000 because of the same instruction set; opening a bottleneck that previously had been on it on a 32 bit windows 7.

this is all conjecture of course; i'm hypothesizing, at best, and at worst, wildly guessing.

perhaps someone has more insight, perhaps not, either way
THANK YOU GUYS FOR HELPING; its nice to belong to a polite group of individuals, i always get stuck with the trolls, lol

any other tips info or hypotheses is greatly appreciated. i have been humbled by those of you in the know

thanks again
william kendrick
27) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1081958)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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Ok fine

if your wu times are coming down i doubt you have much to worry about

as for being in command of windows good luck with that :)



still dont know j ack about 64 bit. but yes, almost at the expense of all other os's besides very basic command knowledge of linux.
28) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1081957)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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wow, i bet you'd be one heckuva troll. ok anyway, who said anything about RAC?
i'm asking about my whetstone/dhrystone changing so drastically. stick to the convo man.
i run seti when is appropriate for me, i didn't know there was a rule on that, lol. the entire statement is totally moot; i didn't ASK about RAC, i KNOW why it goes up and down, this isn't rac, this is a base cpu benchmark that not only boinc uses, but several other benchmarking programs. i'm specifically asking why my numbers changed. i appreciate your... statement, but actually we're talking apples and oranges. i know what rac is, this isn't that. recent average credit has nothing to do with benchmarks within a set program changing suddently, and signifigantly, i'm attempting to get help, because i'm new with 64 bit operating systems in particular.
please help me with that, thanks.


Opps I totally read him right, but got side tracked, crap! Either way it shows his RAC is actually climbing and the whetstone calculations in BOINC aren't accurate either way, if you benchmark 4 times you will get 4 different results. So nothing has changed, makes me wonder if a difference would be caused using a 32bit BOINC versus 64bit BOINC. Just for a heads up SP1 didn't effect anything on my machine at all.


Nice, you need to learn to read as bad as me.....


no no, i left it there for posterity, i did see your post... i just thought i'd be funny to respond to it lol
29) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1081902)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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Is boinc wrote in 32bit?

i dont know much about anything, but from what i understand of it, there are optimized... versions of seti, but the actual seti from the webpage is 32 bit.. just learned that actually. there are MANY different versions of seti though. i dont know much about it but thats what i've heard.
30) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1081901)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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Ok lets eliminate and determine a couple of things

have you got the 32bit or 64 bit version of bonic installed? Not sure it will make a difference but worth a try changing to 64bit

have you run the benchmark more than once? did the numbers change and if so by much?

have your crunching times for the cpu lengthened at all?

do you have you preferences set the same as before as its a new install?

Windows has a habit of installing things you did not ask for - check and make sure nothing is grabbing cpu cycles when you run the benchmarks in BM

If you are worried what BM is telling you then run the benchmarks several times - i suspect you will get different results everytime - some markedly so 10% + in some cases

to be honest most people take no notice of the benchmarks as they are meaningless other than giving boinc an approx indication of how fast you pc is

as it uses the dcf and server side completion estimate to decide how much work you get - as you are not running optimised you do not have flops values

by the way upgrading to the lunatics optimised apps for the cpu will give you a lot more performance


kk, i have the seti grabbed at setiathome, so if the base installer is 64, then it is, if not, lol then of corse it isn't.
i am in command of windows. i have used computers since i was a child, and know a thing or two about keeping unwanted services from running. in addition, th is os was just installed, every updated and driver downloaded and updated/restarted, etc. so.. there could be things still needing to be.. optimized.
the BM's that seti uses are kinda standard, so the results should be pretty average. so far after bm'ing multiple times, i get the same 3200 whetstone/10200 dhrystone... so it just might be that its 32 bit on a 64 bit os. thats the thing: i'm new at this.
lunatics? sure thing, i'll grab that asap; though i might be going offline for a while soon. preferences are the same as when i was running 32 bit.
in addition, the crunch time of seti WU's has dropped enough that even i can tell. in some instances i've seen an hour cut off of some runs that were only cpu specific. no difference noticeable on cuda, but i just dont pay attention to that one really, since honestly i know NOTHING about c unified driver architecture... WHAT SO EVER, lol.

hope this helps.
lots of directx updates, i've been installing multiple games. i use steam, but steam wasn't running in the background when i did the benchmark.. i just thought i'd mention it.
31) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1081758)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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@hal my numbers i've gotten so far:
Windows 7 x86 ultimate edition: (3.5 ghz phenom 2x6 1090BEthuban)
Whetstone: 3553 Dhrystone 8250
on x64 ultimate edition (3.8 ghz phenom 2x6 1090t BE Thuban)
whetstone: 3210 Dhrystone: 10202

Video Card
GTX 260 core 216 (MSI dual frozr OC V2 216 N260GTX)

ram: Gskill Ripjaws ddr 2 800 (1.5v 7 7 7 28t)
Western Digital Cavair Black 750gb (the one with two heads, 32mb cache)
32) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1081756)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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YES HAL! HEY HAL!, its the built in benchmark for seti. its under advanced i think.
33) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1081740)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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Taking purely a wild guess here, but have you tried different drivers for your video card? I know you are using the latest but have you tried different ones? I don't think it would be Windows having issues with your processor, especially Windows 7. Have you performed the same, if at all, tweaks you had on your old machine. Also have you updated to SP1 when you moved to 64 and maybe your old machine wasn't? They are showing from RTM to SP1 on W7 x64 that performance on the video card is about the same in games, but it consistently lower, just not by much. In games is doesn't mean much the differences but I supposed it could cause a lower RAC here. Another thing you need to remember to is you took your machine down for awhile doing the re-installation which could have caused your RAC to drop until your machine catches back up. Good luck figuring it out.

Actually looking at your credits your machine doesn't have a strong return on credits per day, which will cause your RAC to rise and fall.

2/16 - 7,060
2/17 - 474
2/18 - 1,366
2/19 - 6,853
2/20 - 8,117
2/21 - 5,565
2/22 - 2,401
2/23 - 3,923
2/24 - 2,098
2/25 - 832

RAC isn't a constant number due to needing to wait on wingmen to finish their units to validate yours, as well as how long each day you run your machine. It will increase a bit each day as long as you are returning the same amount of units each day and people turn in the second version of your unit for validation. If you don't keep your machine running on a pretty consistent basis then your RAC will fall. Especially changing from 8k one day to 800 and back and forth. My suggestion would be to run your computer for a few weeks and wait on it to stabilize and then you will know within a few thousand about how high you should be running.

And really looking farther into your stats your RAC was consistently climbing till about the 24th/late in the day 23rd and it flat lined out but is still rising. You just need to run your Seti@Home more than randomly if you want it to rise and stay up there.



wow, i bet you'd be one heckuva troll. ok anyway, who said anything about RAC?
i'm asking about my whetstone/dhrystone changing so drastically. stick to the convo man.
i run seti when is appropriate for me, i didn't know there was a rule on that, lol. the entire statement is totally moot; i didn't ASK about RAC, i KNOW why it goes up and down, this isn't rac, this is a base cpu benchmark that not only boinc uses, but several other benchmarking programs. i'm specifically asking why my numbers changed. i appreciate your... statement, but actually we're talking apples and oranges. i know what rac is, this isn't that. recent average credit has nothing to do with benchmarks within a set program changing suddently, and signifigantly, i'm attempting to get help, because i'm new with 64 bit operating systems in particular.
please help me with that, thanks.
34) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1081735)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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i'm specifically talking about my cpu benchmarks. i dont always run seti, and even when i do, its split between it and world community grid. i like to game, and i will say that my gaming experience has been smoother, overall i'm very happy with windows 7 64. i overclocked my processor just a tad and saw my dhrystone shoot above 10000. i just dont get it. my whetstone is still 3200 per cpu, but my dhrystone shot thru the roof, higher than i EVER got it on 32 bit windows 7, overclocked to 4.0! so maybie its just background processes running now that weren't then, i do have sp1 now, i haven't yet had much of a chance to tweak this os either, so what that one guy said could be my whetsone score's issue. that is the highets dhrystone i've ever gotten, just over 10200 or so. it hasn't updated on my rig yet though :|

i'm not really sure we've hit the problem though. i love this os, especially since i have all the damn drivers now! it didn't have drivers for my sound card, and i couldn't afford to get a new one.. so i waited.

i have updated my graphics card drivers to the appropriate 64 bit nvidia drivers, straight from their website. i just want to do the most i can. i'm at 3.8 at 1.5 volts right now, stable, running in even the most finiky games, such as fallout 3.. but i digress a bit. the cpu is stable, the os seems rock solid, i've updated and updated, i'm not really sure what the problem is

all your answers are very appreciated, even the ones that weren't so usefull :)
thanks and please help me understand the situation :)
35) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1081556)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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ok after much deliberation i finally upgraded to windows 7 x64. i have been running windows 7 for over a year. whetstone stayed about clock speed, if it was 3.5 then it was at least a 3500 or so, same with 4.0. after upgrading to 64 bit windows 7, my whetstone dropped below 3000, and my dhrystone dropped almost that many points! is 64 bit having a problem with my processor? i've had it since it was released.

amd phenom 2 x6 thuban 1090t black edition
windows 7 ultimate edition 64 bit
please respond soon.. is this expected, or what?
36) Message boards : Number crunching : Quad Core vs. Hex Core (Message 1079726)
Posted 20 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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i'm running a hexacore, the 1090t, at 4.0 i love this thing. temperatures are 23-33c idle-full load, i can play games while its crunching, its great.
does anyone here have the msi fusion power edition?
37) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Bring me your LOL cats and other funny pics (Message 1079641)
Posted 20 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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they're all funny
38) Message boards : Number crunching : My HD4870 GPU burned (Message 1079640)
Posted 20 Feb 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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bad break
39) Message boards : Number crunching : those like me who have upgraded to phenom 2 x6 1090t or 1055v (Message 997098)
Posted 19 May 2010 by Profile William Kendrick
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I upgraded to the x6 1090, and it looks like finally AMD have something that can compete with Intel. For £40 a core Intel doesn't come close with any of their chips.
I've got mine OC'd to 3.8Ghz and it just crunchs away @ full load with temps around 54 degrees
Once Seti gets a more regular supply of work I'll see what sort of RAC I can get here on the CPU alone

I managed to get mine to 4.0 and then finally to 4.2
i have noticed it likes Collatz alot, i haven't gotten seti to stay stable long enough for me to get enough units, it always says no work available after awhile. collatz always has work, so i end up doing a lot more of it; i think thuban as a chipset likes math, which is a very good thing :)
40) Message boards : Number crunching : those like me who have upgraded to phenom 2 x6 1090t or 1055v (Message 997094)
Posted 19 May 2010 by Profile William Kendrick
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I don't have the new X6. (BTW. Best RAC/wattage you would have with nVIDIA GPUs ;-)

I have only the AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE.

I like to see how easy it's to upgrade AMD systems. :-)
Intel would make a new socket. ;-)

If I looked correct, then this is the first X6 (current #153) of the top hosts list -> AMD Phenom II X6 1090T



thats yatetsu's numbers... a moment.i wonder why his floating point is so low? mines almost double his. and on the thuban the floating point is linearly connected with the clock speed: i.e: 4ghz will give you about 4000 floating.
My numbers
there's what i've gotten so far; please note i'm just working with a am2+ atm hahahah, give me three weeks to a month on this, and i can promise you guys i'll show you numbers that no one could pull with this processor, and if you want, i can show you how to get them as well.

With the thuban: you wanna turn off cpu tweaking, tlb patch, and several other things. after that is done, you'll want to exclusively turn UP the cpu clock fro 200 to 250 (if you turn up the multiplyer, you'll simply be turning up turbocore, so be carefull), your multi needs to be at 16X. i used 1.475 volts to achieve my 4.2, but it also let me achieve 4.0 in the first place. (If you simply turn the multiplyer up, turbocore kicks in, and you stay at 3.2, and will use the multiplyer as vcore aka, if you set your multi from 200 core clock speed and x20 multiplyer, with 1.475 volts, you can get your turbocore to clock to 4.0.. but your cpu speed when ultilized 100% will still be @3.2ghz..) so instead, up the clock ratio by 250, and presto, at x16, no vcore, 4.0ghz, 1.3 Volts ;) 4.2ghz, 1.4750volts.
temperatures: 4.0: full load: 80-90F/32-33C idle: 23c/70F
4.2: Full load: 85-95F/32-35C idle 23c/70f
this overclock was achieved on a M3N-HT Deluxe/HDMI am2+ mobo, with ddr2 ram.

so if you plan on using this for crunching: my suggestion is:
get a GOOOD heat sink, (i highly recommend this one for overclocking on air to 4.0 or 4.2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103066) overclock to 4.0 or 4.2 on stock air, and you should be fine, make sure you're using a active 'push pull' heatsink/fan setup, with at least two 120mm fans. trust me; if you listen to this one lil piece of advice, you'll be out 50 bucks, but your heat numbers will fall drastically, and you could theoretically stick your pc in places that aren't necesarilly completely air conditioned :) i know i can.
if you guys have any questions about how the thuban performs under stress, or turbocore, w/e, please ask, i'm busy trying to push this cpu thru hell, and so far it only sneers and laughs at me.. its a LOT of procssing power wrapped into a 300 dollar shell. however..

you should note, with the cpu fan/heatsink i recommended, your purchase is now at 350..a nd at the price you could EASILLY afford a Fermi.. and fermis rock for double precision. of corse, the cpu stays within teh 125watt aperture that amd has achieved with daneb, and has no real heat issues, while the fermi does get quite hot when running DP style Cuda applications.


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