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my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7
(Message 1082542)
Posted 1 Mar 2011 by William Kendrick Post:
i totally understand. but no worries. the statement was meant, in a weird way, to be a compliment to your thoroughness, nothing more. hope i cleared that up. |
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my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7
(Message 1082480)
Posted 28 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: Here are the results of running the BOINC benchmarks. All 4 versions were run on the same machine. I ran the benchmarks 5 times with consistent results between each run. Each run I saw a change of less than 100 for each value. The x86 version of BOINC generated consistent results in Windows 7 x64 & Windows 7 x86. each and every time its ran on a x64, the dhrystone is significantly higher. same as i found.. i ran it on two different machines. both times the numbers were consistant with those i posted earlier... i dont get it... |
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my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7
(Message 1082479)
Posted 28 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: no no, i left it there for posterity, i did see your post... i just thought i'd be funny to respond to it lol i think your eyes should re read what i said. and, since youw brought it up, i said that he'd make a good one... i never said he was one... love how you twisted my words... too bad its posted above us for posterity, and inflammatory comments like yours are against the rules, too. i was commenting on his thoroughness. often, the best trolls are the ones who are thorough, thats all. dont read too far into comments i post, they are made lightly. |
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lunatics download question/ i7 versions
(Message 1082175)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: thanks for clearing that up |
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lunatics download question/ i7 versions
(Message 1082123)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: so can the 1090t (amd phenom 2 black edtion@3.8) run sse4.1? from what i understood, i thought it was amd that made 4.1.. am i mistaken? |
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my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7
(Message 1082110)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: The BOINC core client is what does the benchmarks, and it does come in both 32 and 64 bit Windows versions. If you're still running the 32 bit version, the benchmarks have probably been affected by running under WOW64. OTOH, if you did a 64 bit BOINC install after switching to 64 bit Windows, the benchmarks are different at least partially because it's a different compile of the sources.Joe thank you joe. boincmagr.exe does not have a *32 bit behind it, so i have to assume it is indeed 64 bit boinc/seti. every one of you who commented, thank you very much. i apologize for my inexperience, and what a great community! some of the bigger crunchers even came in here to chime in... I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT :) here's what i have surmised from this: the 64 bit instruction set is bigger and uses more ram(DUH); i only have 4 gigs of ram. my cpu is overclocked to 3.8@1.5 volts. i only have a 212 core gtx 260 dualfrozr ocv2, and by upgrading it seems to have opened it up a bit. overall, i have found 64 bit windows to be desireable, especially from a mixed setup such as mine, where i do encoding, video editing, and video gaming, on the same rig, so if you're looking into hopping over, dont hesitate! except the price, of corse ;) my whetstone lowered because of the increased instruction set; thats what i think anyway, and my dhrystone increased almost 2000 because of the same instruction set; opening a bottleneck that previously had been on it on a 32 bit windows 7. this is all conjecture of course; i'm hypothesizing, at best, and at worst, wildly guessing. perhaps someone has more insight, perhaps not, either way THANK YOU GUYS FOR HELPING; its nice to belong to a polite group of individuals, i always get stuck with the trolls, lol any other tips info or hypotheses is greatly appreciated. i have been humbled by those of you in the know thanks again william kendrick |
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my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7
(Message 1081958)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: Ok fine still dont know j ack about 64 bit. but yes, almost at the expense of all other os's besides very basic command knowledge of linux. |
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my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7
(Message 1081957)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post:
no no, i left it there for posterity, i did see your post... i just thought i'd be funny to respond to it lol |
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my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7
(Message 1081902)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: Is boinc wrote in 32bit? i dont know much about anything, but from what i understand of it, there are optimized... versions of seti, but the actual seti from the webpage is 32 bit.. just learned that actually. there are MANY different versions of seti though. i dont know much about it but thats what i've heard. |
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my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7
(Message 1081901)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: Ok lets eliminate and determine a couple of things kk, i have the seti grabbed at setiathome, so if the base installer is 64, then it is, if not, lol then of corse it isn't. i am in command of windows. i have used computers since i was a child, and know a thing or two about keeping unwanted services from running. in addition, th is os was just installed, every updated and driver downloaded and updated/restarted, etc. so.. there could be things still needing to be.. optimized. the BM's that seti uses are kinda standard, so the results should be pretty average. so far after bm'ing multiple times, i get the same 3200 whetstone/10200 dhrystone... so it just might be that its 32 bit on a 64 bit os. thats the thing: i'm new at this. lunatics? sure thing, i'll grab that asap; though i might be going offline for a while soon. preferences are the same as when i was running 32 bit. in addition, the crunch time of seti WU's has dropped enough that even i can tell. in some instances i've seen an hour cut off of some runs that were only cpu specific. no difference noticeable on cuda, but i just dont pay attention to that one really, since honestly i know NOTHING about c unified driver architecture... WHAT SO EVER, lol. hope this helps. lots of directx updates, i've been installing multiple games. i use steam, but steam wasn't running in the background when i did the benchmark.. i just thought i'd mention it. |
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my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7
(Message 1081758)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: @hal my numbers i've gotten so far: Windows 7 x86 ultimate edition: (3.5 ghz phenom 2x6 1090BEthuban) Whetstone: 3553 Dhrystone 8250 on x64 ultimate edition (3.8 ghz phenom 2x6 1090t BE Thuban) whetstone: 3210 Dhrystone: 10202 Video Card GTX 260 core 216 (MSI dual frozr OC V2 216 N260GTX) ram: Gskill Ripjaws ddr 2 800 (1.5v 7 7 7 28t) Western Digital Cavair Black 750gb (the one with two heads, 32mb cache) |
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my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7
(Message 1081756)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: YES HAL! HEY HAL!, its the built in benchmark for seti. its under advanced i think. |
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my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7
(Message 1081740)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: Taking purely a wild guess here, but have you tried different drivers for your video card? I know you are using the latest but have you tried different ones? I don't think it would be Windows having issues with your processor, especially Windows 7. Have you performed the same, if at all, tweaks you had on your old machine. Also have you updated to SP1 when you moved to 64 and maybe your old machine wasn't? They are showing from RTM to SP1 on W7 x64 that performance on the video card is about the same in games, but it consistently lower, just not by much. In games is doesn't mean much the differences but I supposed it could cause a lower RAC here. Another thing you need to remember to is you took your machine down for awhile doing the re-installation which could have caused your RAC to drop until your machine catches back up. Good luck figuring it out. wow, i bet you'd be one heckuva troll. ok anyway, who said anything about RAC? i'm asking about my whetstone/dhrystone changing so drastically. stick to the convo man. i run seti when is appropriate for me, i didn't know there was a rule on that, lol. the entire statement is totally moot; i didn't ASK about RAC, i KNOW why it goes up and down, this isn't rac, this is a base cpu benchmark that not only boinc uses, but several other benchmarking programs. i'm specifically asking why my numbers changed. i appreciate your... statement, but actually we're talking apples and oranges. i know what rac is, this isn't that. recent average credit has nothing to do with benchmarks within a set program changing suddently, and signifigantly, i'm attempting to get help, because i'm new with 64 bit operating systems in particular. please help me with that, thanks. |
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my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7
(Message 1081735)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: i'm specifically talking about my cpu benchmarks. i dont always run seti, and even when i do, its split between it and world community grid. i like to game, and i will say that my gaming experience has been smoother, overall i'm very happy with windows 7 64. i overclocked my processor just a tad and saw my dhrystone shoot above 10000. i just dont get it. my whetstone is still 3200 per cpu, but my dhrystone shot thru the roof, higher than i EVER got it on 32 bit windows 7, overclocked to 4.0! so maybie its just background processes running now that weren't then, i do have sp1 now, i haven't yet had much of a chance to tweak this os either, so what that one guy said could be my whetsone score's issue. that is the highets dhrystone i've ever gotten, just over 10200 or so. it hasn't updated on my rig yet though :| i'm not really sure we've hit the problem though. i love this os, especially since i have all the damn drivers now! it didn't have drivers for my sound card, and i couldn't afford to get a new one.. so i waited. i have updated my graphics card drivers to the appropriate 64 bit nvidia drivers, straight from their website. i just want to do the most i can. i'm at 3.8 at 1.5 volts right now, stable, running in even the most finiky games, such as fallout 3.. but i digress a bit. the cpu is stable, the os seems rock solid, i've updated and updated, i'm not really sure what the problem is all your answers are very appreciated, even the ones that weren't so usefull :) thanks and please help me understand the situation :) |
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my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7
(Message 1081556)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: ok after much deliberation i finally upgraded to windows 7 x64. i have been running windows 7 for over a year. whetstone stayed about clock speed, if it was 3.5 then it was at least a 3500 or so, same with 4.0. after upgrading to 64 bit windows 7, my whetstone dropped below 3000, and my dhrystone dropped almost that many points! is 64 bit having a problem with my processor? i've had it since it was released. amd phenom 2 x6 thuban 1090t black edition windows 7 ultimate edition 64 bit please respond soon.. is this expected, or what? |
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Quad Core vs. Hex Core
(Message 1079726)
Posted 20 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: i'm running a hexacore, the 1090t, at 4.0 i love this thing. temperatures are 23-33c idle-full load, i can play games while its crunching, its great. does anyone here have the msi fusion power edition? |
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Cafe SETI :
Bring me your LOL cats and other funny pics
(Message 1079641)
Posted 20 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: they're all funny |
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My HD4870 GPU burned
(Message 1079640)
Posted 20 Feb 2011 by William Kendrick Post: bad break |
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those like me who have upgraded to phenom 2 x6 1090t or 1055v
(Message 997098)
Posted 19 May 2010 by William Kendrick Post: I upgraded to the x6 1090, and it looks like finally AMD have something that can compete with Intel. For £40 a core Intel doesn't come close with any of their chips. I managed to get mine to 4.0 and then finally to 4.2 i have noticed it likes Collatz alot, i haven't gotten seti to stay stable long enough for me to get enough units, it always says no work available after awhile. collatz always has work, so i end up doing a lot more of it; i think thuban as a chipset likes math, which is a very good thing :) |
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those like me who have upgraded to phenom 2 x6 1090t or 1055v
(Message 997094)
Posted 19 May 2010 by William Kendrick Post: I don't have the new X6. (BTW. Best RAC/wattage you would have with nVIDIA GPUs ;-) thats yatetsu's numbers... a moment.i wonder why his floating point is so low? mines almost double his. and on the thuban the floating point is linearly connected with the clock speed: i.e: 4ghz will give you about 4000 floating. My numbers there's what i've gotten so far; please note i'm just working with a am2+ atm hahahah, give me three weeks to a month on this, and i can promise you guys i'll show you numbers that no one could pull with this processor, and if you want, i can show you how to get them as well. With the thuban: you wanna turn off cpu tweaking, tlb patch, and several other things. after that is done, you'll want to exclusively turn UP the cpu clock fro 200 to 250 (if you turn up the multiplyer, you'll simply be turning up turbocore, so be carefull), your multi needs to be at 16X. i used 1.475 volts to achieve my 4.2, but it also let me achieve 4.0 in the first place. (If you simply turn the multiplyer up, turbocore kicks in, and you stay at 3.2, and will use the multiplyer as vcore aka, if you set your multi from 200 core clock speed and x20 multiplyer, with 1.475 volts, you can get your turbocore to clock to 4.0.. but your cpu speed when ultilized 100% will still be @3.2ghz..) so instead, up the clock ratio by 250, and presto, at x16, no vcore, 4.0ghz, 1.3 Volts ;) 4.2ghz, 1.4750volts. temperatures: 4.0: full load: 80-90F/32-33C idle: 23c/70F 4.2: Full load: 85-95F/32-35C idle 23c/70f this overclock was achieved on a M3N-HT Deluxe/HDMI am2+ mobo, with ddr2 ram. so if you plan on using this for crunching: my suggestion is: get a GOOOD heat sink, (i highly recommend this one for overclocking on air to 4.0 or 4.2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103066) overclock to 4.0 or 4.2 on stock air, and you should be fine, make sure you're using a active 'push pull' heatsink/fan setup, with at least two 120mm fans. trust me; if you listen to this one lil piece of advice, you'll be out 50 bucks, but your heat numbers will fall drastically, and you could theoretically stick your pc in places that aren't necesarilly completely air conditioned :) i know i can. if you guys have any questions about how the thuban performs under stress, or turbocore, w/e, please ask, i'm busy trying to push this cpu thru hell, and so far it only sneers and laughs at me.. its a LOT of procssing power wrapped into a 300 dollar shell. however.. you should note, with the cpu fan/heatsink i recommended, your purchase is now at 350..a nd at the price you could EASILLY afford a Fermi.. and fermis rock for double precision. of corse, the cpu stays within teh 125watt aperture that amd has achieved with daneb, and has no real heat issues, while the fermi does get quite hot when running DP style Cuda applications. |
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