Posts by William Kendrick

1) Message boards : Number crunching : Freeing CPU cores (Message 1407684)
Posted 25 Aug 2013 by Profile William Kendrick
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What is the difference between questions regarding performance and the possible errors or malfunctions which may also be present at the same time?

I just got a little pop-up box here while running a Genefer World Record task by means of CUDA giving me a Vcore warning, something I have not seen before.

I pulled up the monitor box for the CPU and sensors, respectively. Two tabs besides each other when selected.

For Vcore, it stays at about 1.240 to 1.260 V most at the time, but while the color labeling is still blue, it apparently goes below 1 V right now. Also the sensor for CPU fan lights up in yellow, but no warning is given. Apparently with my window open, the RPM on the CPU fan decreases to less than 580 RPM (rounds per minute).

Possibly the CPU was choked for a slight moment. I'll keep a watch on it.

i'll need your bios revision, what mobo you're using, and your cpu and i can literally tell you exactly if you're in trouble or not.. but tbh.. youre voltages are within reason without me even breaking open my golden book :)
to get you some sort of idea of some voltage readings, i broke open my thuban golden numbers txt file. most of my voltages ran around 1.2 to 1.4v, respectively. my processor, as an example, runs at 1.4375, and its overclocked to right around 4 gigahertz. if i was a betting man... i'd say you're just fine, voltage wise :)
however, it dropping like it did... that isn't normal, i would think, but a drop in voltage... i do not believe that that would do anything to the components, i however would believe it could lead to errors while processing... see if you can SET it or not in your bios if you are really worried
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Freeing CPU cores (Message 1407682)
Posted 25 Aug 2013 by Profile William Kendrick
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whoa. i tried to look up your gpu, but i couldn't find a temperature threshold anyone agreed upon. 75C is far far too hot. i'm running an old gtx 260 core 216 and i can barely after a full night get it to 119F, how in gods name is that thing still functioning? thats an insane amount of heat to put near any components imho.


Nah, the silicon on consumer Geforce GPUs is normally good up to 90' (~190f). Your GTX260 has a maximum operating temperature of 105'c, for example.
The NVS line are business class hardware, which tends to be built with reliability in mind. Should be safe up to the same, if not higher, temps.

His CPU is rated for up to 100'c as well.

A common trick with HTPC and 'silent' builds is to use custom fan profiles that turn down the fans and 'run hot' (it's less work to maintain a card at 80'c than at 60'c, hence less noise). As long as the heat doesn't 'bleed out' into other components or soften the chassis (possible with laptops) it's fine.

Speedfan or Speccy should be able to tell you what temps your hard drives are running at. They're the most vulnerable components to heat - need to keep those below 55'c


Note for anyone reading; always check the maximum temps for your CPU and GPU for yourself; AMD cpu's in particular tend to have lower maximum temperatures.

holy smokes! i had no idea.. i run it at around 25C at all times even under full load! wow. fans ftw, lol.
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Freeing CPU cores (Message 1407623)
Posted 25 Aug 2013 by Profile William Kendrick
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I use TThrottle to keep the CPU and GPU temperatures under 75 °C.


whoa. i tried to look up your gpu, but i couldn't find a temperature threshold anyone agreed upon. 75C is far far too hot. i'm running an old gtx 260 core 216 and i can barely after a full night get it to 119F, how in gods name is that thing still functioning? thats an insane amount of heat to put near any components imho.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Freeing CPU cores (Message 1407621)
Posted 25 Aug 2013 by Profile William Kendrick
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also me and hal had a huge discussion about this: rac is meaningless to computer computational ability. period.. 100%. if you want a better indicator, get a cpu benchmark program, or, while not as reliable as a full blown benchmark you can test your cpu's with the boinc client. its under advanced "run cpu benchmarks" for your gpu's you can use any of the products that test those.. futurmark makes a particularly good one. :)
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Freeing CPU cores (Message 1407620)
Posted 25 Aug 2013 by Profile William Kendrick
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i didn't read it here, but i've got 6 cores, and to free an entire one i must use 82-86%. just figured id add that here since i hadn't seen it
there's still plenty of ppl using hexacores you know :P
this would actually be more usefull if you could find a way to do this for our spus on nvidia gtx gpu.

especially for those of us with nvidia cards that use amd cpus
6) Message boards : Politics : Why does the majority of the population (Message 1407386)
Posted 24 Aug 2013 by Profile William Kendrick
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Marriage isn't necessary to have a two-parent family unit.


No it isn't but it is much preferable.

Says who?

Or, ask yourself this which is better two people who want to raise a child together or two people who hate each others guts but are too stupid to get a divorce?

so well said. my parents hated each other. i'm not married to my woman, but we'll die old together, and our kids are happy. its all about that old religious mindset. they want you to get married, etc. but if you spend your entire life with a person who you would always be loyal to, no matter what, how is that NOT marriage?

i'd rather my woman be free to decide if she wants to stay with me, rather than have the rest of society look down upon her because we got in some crazy argument that led to a messy divorce. we're happy the way we are, and eventually we'll probably get married, but it will be for political reasons, not spiritual or religious ones, and it will be on our own terms. dont buy into the you must be married line, thats from religious zealots, and as such should be taken with a grain of salt, in my humble opinion. do what your lover wants, and you'll stay happy. marriage makes guys act retarded, (yes i am male) to the point of YEAH SHES MINE NOW HAHAHAHAHA, and that personally is the scariest thought i could ever have: that i OWN a human being, rather than being delightfully attached to her by my own love.
thats my thoughts on the matter.
7) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Saying hi guys! after a long hiatus (Message 1407180)
Posted 24 Aug 2013 by Profile William Kendrick
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Made your link active.

You should ask these questions in Number Crunching, but I think the gist of the advice, at least concerning nVidia cards, is that a 6xx will do the same work as the same number 5xx, but use less power to do it. There has also been a lot of trouble with 560 Ti's spewing errors if they don't have the proper drivers, get hot, or it's a day with a y in it.
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i'll do that next time. i'm just chatting here really. thanks for the advice on the gpu, i'm just getting back into this.
8) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Saying hi guys! after a long hiatus (Message 1406888)
Posted 23 Aug 2013 by Profile William Kendrick
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oh i definitely agree with that, hahahaha. when i first started hal and a few of the mods helped me figure out a problem i had with 64 bit seti.. i wasn't getting my full oomph until we figured it out. i liked this community. the last time i was here i was single and had only met my wife. now i have two kids, and this computer build i have now is getting ready to be upgraded. i plan on going amd again ofc. my current rig: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1189365
my NEW rig will be a bit of a beast with a titan and 32gb of ram with the new fx chip in it. actually perhaps i should ask here.. i'm thinking about upgrading and when i do, i'll need a new gpu... anyone have any tips? should i go 660 (i cannot afford a titan hahahaha, it was mostly a joke) or 760? my friend has a 560 with a liquid cooling setup he wants to sell me for 150.. what do you guys think?
any one can chime in here, but nvidia enthusiasts might chime a little louder, hahaha.
9) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Saying hi guys! after a long hiatus (Message 1406831)
Posted 23 Aug 2013 by Profile William Kendrick
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glad to see so many back :)
i personally am pushing 6 sse units and one cuda.. tho i do have it on no new tasks, but that is because they gave me too many to start with! lol. i'm starting easy, 50 seti/50 collatz. i dunno my pc seems to do collatz better, so i do them from time to time. so far my temperatures overnight for the last two days have said the same thing: 67F idle 105F full load overnight Gpuid reports 106f idle and 125f full load :D.. i'm very satisfied with these numbers, and i'm about to overclock this thing a bit more. i still haven't talked andrew into crunching.. i'm working on it.
10) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Saying hi guys! after a long hiatus (Message 1406588)
Posted 22 Aug 2013 by Profile William Kendrick
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After a very long time, i'm finally back in 'fighting shape', or rather, my computer is. Tests confirm i'll be able to crunch.. i'm trying to get my friend andrew into crunching... but i dont really know where to start.. he's a technical guy and is slightly (very slightly) interested in crunching.. i plan on going back to SETI@HOME and COLLATZ, mostly because i liked their communities. how are things these days guys?


TL;DR: Im back, hi to every one and..
how could i get my friend who has a monster machine interested into seti?

very happy to be back
will
11) Message boards : Number crunching : WHS and seti (Message 1090595)
Posted 26 Mar 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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one of my clients uses magic jack, and i recently had him start helping with his cpu, as he has a ok one. (phenom 2x4 965 black edition @4.0ghz w/a rifle (push pull setup) from coolermaster, to keep heat to a minimum.)
i haven't ever used WHS, but if its based on nt, then you shouldn't have any problems at all running magic jack, and seti. remember, magic jack is a ppoe device, so its completely determined by your internet connection.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Why only CUDA tasks lately? (Message 1090594)
Posted 26 Mar 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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yeah, i get mostly cuda now too, that and seti_enhanced, which i assume to be the cpu portion. i stopped working on other projects to support seti more fully. i use my computer alot, but i give seti typically at LEAST 8 hours of full run time, usually overnight, or during the day, when i'm working on new computers.
13) Message boards : Politics : Well, we're in it in Libya now....... (Message 1089993)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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It's being reported that generally the rebels in Libya are mainly unco-ordinated, poorly trained, and have no modern weopons. Some observers are asking would it be right for the West to supply arms to the rebels? Some say it could shorten the war, save lives, and mean less foreign involvement. Others say it will just escalate things and make metters worse.


the very same thing bush did with iraq; he gave them weapons.
remember what happened there?
14) Message boards : Politics : Well, we're in it in Libya now....... (Message 1089992)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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Obama's war. This will pave the way for Palin. Scary times.

bush was talking about invading Libya for years. go watch the vids.
i love how everyone always blames the new president for things that have been happening for 8 years
good job being stereotypical.
15) Message boards : Politics : Five Myths About Your Taxes (Message 1089980)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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Perhaps the biggest myth is federal income tax. Most federal revenues are from imposts, duties and excise taxes. Of course one can count Social Security taxes as 7.5%+7.5% being the largest single source of all.

Most of the deficit problem can be solved by gradually increasing the retirement age as the system was not designed for the present average lifespan. Retirement at 70 being the ultimate goal at current lifespan solves the entire problem. And people today are healthier at 70 than their grandparents were at 65 so people ar still ahead of the game. But if people insist upon 65, not a problem but SocSec taxes have to increase dramatically.

BTW: a cheaper way to reduce SocSec costs is to encourage smoking. Death costs related to tobacco usage are lower than all death costs other than obesity which is highest. A rational government would encourage both smoking and obesity. Encouraging longevity and complaining about the cost of success in that endeavour is not rational. It is spending money to increase costs. Only liberals ...

Seriously folks, the Cold War is OVER. It is time to stand down. We should have started that 15 years ago after it was clear the USSR could not resurrect itself. Problem is about 1/3 of military costs are retirement after 20 years of service. That is about 35 years of payout. It won't go away any time soon even if we disband the military tomorrow.

Over half the medical care in the US is socialized i.e. run by the government. Admin costs are under 5%. The non-government run medical care costs 35% to administer counting doctors, hospitals and insurance companies. A scheme is needed to recover that 35% to pay for completely government run medicine. The recent health care (hated) legislation has no way to recover the 30% difference in administration costs which is why it has to cost more.

There are a large number of smaller entitlement programs which add up to real money. Problem is government programs predetermine the solution which is always less than optimum and usually shit. The simplest way to end it all is a negative income tax to replace all of entitlement programs. Once in place the gov washes its hands of all social problems -- said on the assumption the negative income tax is sufficient to provide a decent life. Why do it this way? ALL the admin costs go away. Even at 5% that is real money and the total outlay remains the same.

All of the above are non-partisan. All of the above are contrary to established lobbying groups which are against changes as they profit from things as they are. I spent 18 years in DOD and am pissed DOD is still going strong as it means I was working for nothing as we won the cold war but nothing changed. I was working to win and dissolve the waste of money in our war footing and start doing productive work not better ways of killing people.

I am libertarian. I recognize it is an ideal unlikely to be achievable in light of the average IQ of voters. So I am willing to accept a negative income tax, meaning accepting positive income tax, in order to eliminate the grand social schemes that never really work as advertised.


links, or this is just propaganda.
also, you sound like you need to take some pills. probably lithium.
16) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Boinc going bonkers? (Message 1089155)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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yeah, instead of actually looking into whatever problem he might be having, he just quit. dang.
well, oh well, its not like a 240 is gonna be crunching some new speed records or something.
i remember how i was treated when i left collatz.
i was pretty much laughed at.
at least this guy got a see ya from me.
17) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Goodbye (Message 1089154)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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sounds like you need to tweak your settings so that it only runs while your computer is idle. also, unless attended, i dont recommend using laptops at all for running boinc projects, i know it SOUNDS like a good idea, but the thermal output could literally change the heat dissipation on your cpu, especially if you're running a cuda enabled gpu, like say the 260m. its on my profile; feel free to take a look. anyway, i dont recommend it because of the heat issue.
and no, a good laptop cooler isn't a good laptop cooler; its actually much more efficient to go internal and improve the thermal conductive substance of your choice, say with, as example, artic silver 7, or some such, than it is to spend 50 bucks (none of the ones under that price seem worth it - to ME -) on a cooler that just blows air at the bottom of your laptop.
hope you at least finished your tasks before you quit.
see ya.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1082663)
Posted 1 Mar 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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Here is a good example to show how the benchmark doesn't really matter a great deal. Compared to Bent's E8400 mine spit out about twice on the integer, but I'm sure they would both crunch the same work at the same rate.
Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz [Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 6]
Benchmark results:
Number of CPUs: 2
3062 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8872 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU


WOW.
enough said i think. hal you've been a big help figuring this all out. thanks man. all the tests you ran for me, really really are appreciated.
final benchmark
Number of CPUs:6
3822 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
10203 integer MIPS (dhrystone) per CPU

and i take it to mean that hal has stated that this BM is just a... diagram, the same thing that EVERYONE here has said.
thanks hal, bent, and everyone else too :)

i'm glad i'm here :)
19) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1082661)
Posted 1 Mar 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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There is no issue, lets not make one please. ;) I understand what he meant, it was aimed at me if you want to call it that. No need to expound on what has already been discussed. I took it the same way you did but expected he meant his best intentions. Which according to him he did, so there is no issue.

Back to the issue, remember your whetstone won't match your cpu speed. The whetstone is the measure of your floating point performance. The Dhrystone shows your integer performance alone, both measure in MIPS(Million Instructions Per Second).

For instance my q9650 is a quad core running at 3GHz.
Floating Point = 4168.57 MIPS
Integer Speed = 8488.96 MIPS

e8400 running at 3Ghz
Floating Point = 3048.57 MIPS
Integer Speed = 4434.72 MIPS

I'm not entirely sure what effects that number besides making the processor faster. However the only difference, besides the obvious 2 extra cores, between these two processors is the cache size, and the speed of the ram in the system 1066 vs 800, which I'm sure may have a little to do with it.

This is a link to the Boinc Wiki that explains and has some addition linked material that explains what each part measures and why. And how it matters to your 'score' etc.

Would be interesting to see how different changes in a system effect it. I know when I OC my system to 4GHz the floating point goes up a good bit but the integer speed stays about the same on the quad. Never tested it on the dual core to know.


i'm no longer responding to him, lol.
thanks for the info, reading it now.
20) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1082544)
Posted 1 Mar 2011 by Profile William Kendrick
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i think your eyes should re read what i said. and, since youw brought it up, i said that he'd make a good one... i never said he was one... love how you twisted my words... too bad its posted above us for posterity, and inflammatory comments like yours are against the rules, too.

i was commenting on his thoroughness. often, the best trolls are the ones who are thorough, thats all.
dont read too far into comments i post, they are made lightly.


It's not the way people read it though. I decided to semi-ignore it though, glad I wasn't the only one with either train of thought.


i totally understand.
but no worries. the statement was meant, in a weird way, to be a compliment to your thoroughness, nothing more.

hope i cleared that up.

i really am bad with words.
i told my doc one time i was antisocial, and he laughed at me and told me i was a social 'noob'(my word, not his), but that antisocial behavior typically is associated with psychotic tendencies, and that if was truly anti social i'd have to be locked up, lol
i'm sorry i keep coming off like a dumb@$$, but i'm not doing it on purpose; i literally am bad with words, saying and acting in whatever fashion i want.
i am changing this, thanks for being patient with me :)

so what i gather is that i had an unoptimized version of seti 64 bit, and my dhrystone was showing proper numbers, while my whetstone was showing a bit of a decrease. this is now corrected, and my whetstone jumped from 3200 to 3800 or so, equal with my cpu clock speed.
i have to assume it was a mixture of what everyone here has told me to begin with, as well as me... reading too much into nothing.


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