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1) 留言板 : Number crunching : CPUs: Intel vs AMD (Intel update, IDF 2006) (消息 266131) 发表于：21 Mar 2006 作者： Brandyn Post: but I disagree here. It looks to me as if Intel has been very stubborn. They tried to stick with their P4s, thinking that it'd work for them. They did the same with RDRAM for a while. Same with 64-bit, which they only came out with after AMD showed that people will buy it after all. It seems to me that Intel finally figured out that even the basic P-III architecture that they gave up on was beating the P4. They were "milking it", no doubt about it, but being stubborn wasn't the goal though imo @ least. P4's are better than P3's @ certain operations (gaming being one iirc, & gaming's the BIGGEST market for their CPU's)... BUT, certain variations (last of them) for P3's rocked for things... e.g.-> the LAST p3 (for laptops iirc) was better @ SETI #1 than std. P3's were/are. I know this because one of my teammates had one & was KILLING my P3 @ 1ghz (his was @ 1.1ghz iirc, but was WAY faster than mine, more than mere ghz/mhz would yield). Actually, it's the Pentium Mobile line that is killing the P4s in every way, even at lower clock speeds. Those are based on PIII architecture. Intel had to find a way to increase the speeds of the PIII even more, which they've done with Conroe. (Recently, a motherboard manufacturer started making adapters so that people could run the mobile line of processors on PIII motherboards, with great success in speed.) You can actually tell that Intel is nervous right now, I think. They bring out a chip thats 6 months away from production, put it up against AMDs best, and clearly have the lead (I'll ignore all of the conspiracy theorys that currently abound). But the question is, why? Oh, I don't think they're nervous @ all... they just waited until AMD exhausted their patent safe + R&D "advantages" they had with their current CPU architectures (believe me, there's probably LITTLE doubt both sides buy the others' stuff, tear it apart, & improve upon it in THEIR stuff... I have literally seen this go down in other industries, illegal though it technically is - an "analog" is pretty simple to create, once you see how others implement the idea first). Actually, one of them (I can't remember which off hand) won a lawsuit saying that one could use backward engineering on the other's chip. So yes, Intel knows what AMD has, and AMD likely has a good idea of what Intel has on the Conroe (though there's no way they can be certain, and may know nothing). Yes, it might be. But this is where the conspiracy theorys come in. Say some of those people who really know what they're talking about (but seem to like AMD much more than Intel) are correct, and Intel rigged the show. Once Conroe comes out, stocks would then plummit, likely falling below what they're trading at now (though at $20 a share, they can't really drop far). It is a good time to buy Intel, NOW, before this processor releases (buy low to sell high later, when the CONROE sales rush raises Intel stock value)... &, both parties play their share of games, no questions asked! APK Here I will certainly agree with you. You'd want to sell a little bit before Conroe comes out, just before (or just after) different places get the chips to benchmark (it's almost a certainty that someone in the media will have a chip in hand to benchmark and play around with prior to the public release). But Intel's allowing people from the media (anandtech among others) to get a look at their new chip is a marketing tool, both for sales and stock (which go hand in hand, of course). Hopefully, I'm making sense here, as I'm a little drunk. But basically, I think you and I do agree on most points. The only thing I feel we disagree on is the P4's success - or lack thereof. To me, the P4 was an utter failure on Intel's part. There were only limited applications in which the P4 beat out the Athlon, and as you said, the most important is gaming - in which the P4 lost hands down. Now don't get me wrong. I don't want you to think I'm some sort of AMD fanboy, because I'm not. I'm honestly hoping that the Conroe is as good as advertised. Of course, the main reason for this is greed - if Intel is competitive again, then prices on both sides have to fall (AMD for obvious reasons, Intel because they have to lure back lost customers). But I also feel that competition is always good. It forces each company to put out better products. Without competition, we'd likely have yet to reach the 2 Ghz barrier in processors.
2) 留言板 : Number crunching : CPUs: Intel vs AMD (Intel update, IDF 2006) (消息 263443) 发表于：17 Mar 2006 作者： Brandyn Post: Sure, but, will AMD be successful in that effort is the question... Personally, I think Intel treated this like a boxing match - where one boxer will let the other "swing haymakers" endlessly, while they tuck in & take the beating but not getting knocked out... letting AMD exhaust their architecture's potential as much as possible & their R&D/patent safe stuff. Just so they could (with the right timing) unleash this Conroe processor... knowing AMD's "outta gas", no more left to swing with (as one way of putting it, in keeping with my boxing analog). Now, it'll be a while before we know who is right, but I disagree here. It looks to me as if Intel has been very stubborn. They tried to stick with their P4s, thinking that it'd work for them. They did the same with RDRAM for a while. Same with 64-bit, which they only came out with after AMD showed that people will buy it after all. It seems to me that Intel finally figured out that even the basic P-III architecture that they gave up on was beating the P4. You can actually tell that Intel is nervous right now, I think. They bring out a chip thats 6 months away from production, put it up against AMDs best, and clearly have the lead (I'll ignore all of the conspiracy theorys that currently abound). But the question is, why? To me, it's telling. They need a way to get people to wait until Conroe comes out before making their next purchase. I think they did this to try to slow down sales of AMD processors (which will only work for those who want the latest and greatest). Further, even if AMD does lose the performance lead temporarily, they need only drop their prices. Go back to the days when they were not as good, but price/performance ratio demanded people try them. Good, and I agree. Hence, why investing in Intel NOW, might be a good idea. Yes, it might be. But this is where the conspiracy theorys come in. Say some of those people who really know what they're talking about (but seem to like AMD much more than Intel) are correct, and Intel rigged the show. Once Conroe comes out, stocks would then plummit, likely falling below what they're trading at now (though at $20 a share, they can't really drop far).
3) 留言板 : Number crunching : CPUs: Intel vs AMD (Intel update, IDF 2006) (消息 263259) 发表于：17 Mar 2006 作者： Brandyn Post: INTEL "CONROE" blows away AMD's finest: http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1830/ http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=794&cid=1 http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713&p=2 :) * That's something to consider on several levels, not only for PC-gaming performance (& other areas)... but, also for investments purposes, IF you "play that game too"... (IMO? Intel's going to be one HECK of a stock buy very soon (soon as in NOW or shortly because of this)) IMO @ least, this is a signal of it/for it (time is now to buy Intel stock), & now is the time to get a jump on that... AMD's about to split from what I understand (stock split), but Intel's about to rock their world. Yes, the 'conroe' chips ARE real, as well as those results I put up (but are between 9-12 months out as a release to mass production/consumer good markets most likely & probably will be even BETTER/FASTER @ that time!) Something to keep in mind not only if you're a PC-enthusiast, but also if you are an investor... APK P.S.=> "Let the CHIPS (cpu's) fall where they may...", lol! apk You seem to believe that AMD will be sitting still for the next year. Sure, everything points to the fact that Intel will be in the lead for a good 6-12 months after Conroe comes out. But AMD is also working on new chips (AM2 isn't going to compete with Conroe right out of the box, unless they're hiding something big). Yes, I like AMD processors. Granted, I'm not foolish enough to think that AMD will certainly have something to compete with Conroe right away (although there is a very slim possibility of this), but I'm also not foolish enough to believe that AMD will be losing everything because of Conroe. I'm sure AMD has some things in development for the next 18 months.
4) 留言板 : Number crunching : Slower after rebuild? (消息 259542) 发表于：9 Mar 2006 作者： Brandyn Post: Thats a lot better. Now if I can just figure out why my new AMD 64 3700+ is processing WU so slow. It is the San Diego chip socket 939 with dual channel memory and was giving me almost exactly the same times as my AMD 64 3400+ socket 754 with single channel. Memory bandwidth tests shows its a lot faster there. But Crunch3r SSE2 is slightly faster than the SSE3 version on this machine and just a hare and a short hop above the other one, not the 10% I expected. Only good thing, is it seems to have a big overclock windows, so I am playing with that now. Either AMD marketing is playing games with their numbers on this one, or all the clocks on this system board are slow. What motherboard do you have, and how long is it currently taking? I have the same chip, with an Asus A8N-E, and I'm averaging about 7400-7700 seconds to complete a WU.

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