HiYa Es
How yer doin' ?

The Eclipse was very cool and I'm happy I was there, the 360 degree sunset was something I did not expect. The traffic down I5 Sunday to Ore was bad, it should have been 4 hrs, it was 5 1/2. Then I came home after the event. 11 1/2 hrs, if there is a next time for me I will plan better.

I hit no traffic on the way to the viewing location. Local traffic reports also reported light traffic on Sunday and in the morning on Monday. It took 1 hour to get from Eugene to Independance. But afterwards, it took me 3 hours back and the other car with my friends who left before me it took them 6 hours back to Eugene. They used Google Maps, I used Ways.

Sorry we did not meet up. But it was a full day.

Hi Es99...

Your silly belief that I am equating the two. Is just a continuation and necessary confirmation of what I am posting.

BTW: Your silence, or excusal, or acceptance (pick one) of the following post by Gary. Also confirms everything have been saying.

Gary... "I don't think he [Trump] should be assassinated. He should be executed, with formalities."

What would have been your immediate response, if I had posted in the past. 'I don't think Obama should be assassinated. He should be executed, with formalities'.

As I have posted: Welcome back!

It is me, or is there an assumption that all mentally defective criminals are the organized left?

Abraham Lincoln monument torched in Chicago:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/17/abraham-lincoln-monument-torched-in-chicago-an-abs/

Swastikas Spray-Painted On Palm Trees Near MacArthur Causeway

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2017/08/16/swastikas-palm-trees-macarthur-causeway/

Vandals Spray Paint ‘Nazis’ On NH GOP Headquarters

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/08/17/new-hampshire-republican-vandalized/

COLLEGES BRACE FOR MORE VIOLENCE AMID RASH OF HATE ON CAMPUS

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONFEDERATE_MONUMENT_PROTEST_CAMPUS_HATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-08-18-04-27-00

Officials at Yale University recently censored a stone work of art on campus depicting an armed Native American and Puritan side by side, which has been described as a “hostile” image by the Ivy League institution’s alumni magazine.

The stone carving was edited to cover up the Puritan’s musket, while the Native American’s bow was left as is, reports Yale Alumni Magazine.

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/35611/

Can BOTH sides, whose foundations are the same... Just go away.

Extensive list here Clyde https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/groups
Care to inform us which are alt-left? Were they present in Charlottesville?

You are either against Nazi's or you are one.

The Rise of the Violent Left

Antifa’s activists say they’re battling burgeoning authoritarianism on the American right. Are they fueling it instead?

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-violent-left/534192/

Sorry Gary...

Your attack against one sides hate and not the others.

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I've probably missed a few factors, but hopefully I've got the salient points.

I think you missed a big one, how America views violence. Americans' will ban any expression of the normal human function of procreation as an obscenity, but they will celebrate expressions of violence, even turning violent criminals into folk heroes.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/08/reflections-white-supremacist-150828100415193.html
Arno Michaelis wrote:

I have been talking about my past as a white power skinhead and my present as a human being dedicated to peace publicly since January 2010. And the question I am most frequently asked is: what made you change?

The simple, one-word answer: exhaustion.

A taste for violence cultivated since being a first grade school bus bully had a lot to do with me getting involved in white supremacy; violence that tasted much better if I was able to convince myself that it was justified.

Early on the thrill of dominating someone else, and the ensuing consternation of parents and teachers, was plenty of justification. As I grew older, I found that the thrill was magnified immensely when it happened in the context of an 'us' versus 'them' narrative.

First it was kids versus teachers, then whatever clique I led versus any other clique, then punks versus society, then the 'white race' that I had chosen to identify myself as versus everyone else on earth.

How do you think we ended up here? What has happened to society in the last 10 years or so that lead us to the point where we actually believe people who oppose racists and Nazi's are actually considered the bad guys? Where did this mentality come from and why are so many people buying into it?

Alt Left Hooded Black Shirts, many who also hide their faces. Are not a fiction.

The only difference between the Radical Right, who the Media has been describing as the Alt Right. And the Radical Left, who is being describing as the Alt Left.

Is that the Alt Right usually champions and admits their evil. Giving many disgusting reasons they are correct.

Unlike the Alt Left. Which by denying their evil, and attacks against those advocating Freedom from Intimidation for All People. May be, if they really believe their accusations. Crazier than the Alt Right.

You are either against Nazi's or you are a Nazi.
Is there a hooded anti-fa going after the Nazi's in the picture?
Does it matter?

Gary... Because you have lost the moral and ethical argument. You are sinking further and further.

Since both JE and myself have repeatedly described the Nazis in the same terms you have.

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What on earth are The "alt-left"?

It is the result of an echo chamber, where a tiny bit of the outside world leaked in. They heard a label for themselves and liked it so much they co-opted it upon themselves and now bestow it upon others, not realizing the hate and disdain they assign to others they also co-opt upon themselves. (they are not smart, but they are smug)

A definition would be: anyone who isn't an echo chamber for the alt-right.

Glad to see you posting.

Eye, when was a mass shooting recently in this country attributed to the left?

I don't recall seeing a 'mass shooting' in Charlottesville..........strawman or redherring?
Is this because you can't bring yourself to recognize that both sides were in the wrong?.

"Always change the subject if you can't find a logical reason to disagree with a statement."

Oh good grief.

I'm glad to see you posting! I'm pretty sure I know your views but can you expand on your comments here? Also, penny for your thoughts on why this movement seems to be growing (or maybe it isn't)? What is it that's so appealing to people that they join these socially unacceptable groups? Or am I completely off base here? Please add additional comments! I'd love to read them.

150 years of history does not absolve present day hate groups.

betreger... Why do you believe that is does?

CLYDE

I have seen alt right people bombing, lynching, shooting and attacking Alt left groups with automobiles, I do not recall the converse.
The converse of a statement is its opposite or reverse. I spelled it out for you because it is obvious to me that logical deductive thought is alien to your mindset. Can you cite the converse or do you just have unfounded opinions?

Why do you folks outside the US have the most complaints about that which isn't affecting you? Liberalism has been growing since the beginning of the 20th century. And to think it's no one's fault is liberal logic. And to think global climate change is destroying a dam in kalifornia... there's only one thing I can do over that BELIEF: HAHAHAHA!

The RELIGION of liberalism supports islamic jihadism.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/politics/travel-ban-blocked/

The RELIGION of liberalims supports ILLEGAL immigration and a continued supply of ILLEGAL drugs across our border.

http://patriotreporting.com/2017/03/09/chuck-schumer-adamant-that-liberals-will-stop-and-block-trumps-border-wall/

The RELIGION of liberalism supports brain damaged folks like Nancy Pelosi and her judgement.

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/nancy-pelosi-just-lost-it-on-stage-was-she-drunk-sick-what-is-wrong-with-her_022017

Liberalism is destroying this country and must not only be STOPPED, it must be REVERSED. Otherwise, we'll just drop back down into 3rd world country status and we'll become slaves to countries like China and Russia.

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The dam in kalifornia is failing because of climate change?

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He asked for a peripheral canal and it didn't happen. But his daddy's dam failed because without the canal it has to hold extra water for the summer.

99 said:

...right wing Christian extremist Trump fan murders fellow citizens
after being emboldened by the rise of right wing extremism in the USA.

Yet Non-Fake News said:

Bissonnette indicated he liked Le Pen, Trump, the separatist Parti Quebecois, as well as Canada’s left-wing New Democratic Party, the Israeli Defense Forces, heavy metal band Megadeth and pop star Katy Perry

So, as likely, his 'Like' of K. Perry is dA Emboldening Element.

We dA People Yap. REAL Yap

Well, why don't you tell us about the rest of the deal obama made with the aussies?

The deal was, we were going to exchange some of our illegals for some of their illegals. Do you know the difference between their illegals and our illegals?

Our illegals just want to sell us drugs. Their illegals want to kill us. Great deal, eh?

Calling me "my dear" doesn't help make your point.

He had to mansplain or it wouldn't be understood

I never know if you're being sarcastic or not.

I was, I'm not sure if he was.

Calling me "my dear" doesn't help make your point.

He had to mansplain or it wouldn't be understood

To answer that honestly, I had no "ulterior motive" in doing so. I (perhaps mistakenly) thought that like everything else in life, both sides of the coin deserves viewing.

As for you seeing what I have not? Think again my dear. I have some shocking stories (seen & know about personally) that could possibly equal yours. Do not make the mistake many women make in assuming all men are blind & dumb.

Also, there is no such thing as pro-abortion. You made that up.

Es you've been around here long enough to know Guy has his alternative facts.

I thought it was time to 'stir the pot' a little more.................

TRUMP PROGRESS REPORT

1. Trump erased all mentions on the White House web site of “climate change.” He did that within ONE HOUR of taking the oath of office.

2. Trump issued an Executive order to “ease the burden of Obamacare”

3. Trump returned the bust of Winston Churchill to the oval office

4. Trump withdrew America from the TPP treaty

5. Trump erased all Spanish language from the White House web site. It is now “English Only.”

6. Trump issued an Executive order starting the construction of “THE WALL.”

7. Trump issued an Executive order banning funding to foreign pro-abortion groups

8. Trump's new Secretary of Defense, James ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis, took the fight to ISIS by bombing them 31 times on his first day as the new Secretary of Defense

9. Trump announced temporary ban on refugees from Syria and Middle Eastern war zones

10. Trump imposed a media blackout at the Environmental Protection Agency and barred staff from awarding new contracts or grants

11. Trump announced a ban on visas from dangerous Muslim-majority countries with inadequate screening

12. Trump announced the end of “Sanctuary cities” and the defunding of federal funds for any city that chooses to continue breaking the law

13. Trump announced the hiring of 10,000 new border agents

14. Trump signed an Executive order demanding the Secretary of Homeland Security publish a weekly list of violent crimes committed by illegal aliens

15. Trump signed an Executive order freezing the hiring of non-essential federal employees

16. Trump said out loud the words “radical Islamic terrorism.”

17. Trump stopped payment on Obama’s final hour giveaway of $220 million to the Palestinian Authority

18. Trump used Executive orders to give the go-ahead to the long-stalled Keystone and Dakota Access Pipelines

19. Trump got the State Department’s entire senior management team to resign in frustration.

20. Trump announced his intention to withdraw From Climate & Environmental Accords Along With UN Funding Cuts of 40%

21. Trump tweeted “Ungrateful TRAITOR Chelsea Manning, who should never have been released from prison, is now calling President Obama a weak leader. Terrible!”

22. Trump announced he’ll begin a major investigation into voter fraud in the 2016 election

23. Trump got the chief of the Border Patrol to leave the agency in frustration at having to actually do his job!

24. State Dept. Arms Control chief fired while on airplane; Trump, told to turn around and fly back!

25. Miami-Dade mayor orders jails to comply with Trump crackdown on ‘sanctuary’ counties

26. Trump White House abruptly halts Obamacare ads.

27. Trump appoints Neil Gorsuch to U.S. Supreme Court, a Justice in the mold of Antonin Scalia.

And that's just the first two weeks..............deal with it! or Cry about it............or leave..........simple choices. Simplify Simplify.......

Why do you see sexism in everything people do or say?

I'll be frank. Had that been my daughter, that woman would have been dead. Does that make me a sexist?

Hmm, against all women? Women are not perfect!

Deplorable to say the least

labels, hate, vague statements.

never any proposed solutions or productive conversation, or even a clear stance/direction.

Anti Nazi, stop the Nazi's, et al. Is a negative?

Ex:...

You guys/gals are sinking faster and faster. Fun to watch.

Those are simply more vague hate statements. You've yet to offer anything of substance as to how you would do things or make things better? Even your constant insistence that those who see things differently as you as "sinking" is just more vagaries of hate toward those that don't think like you.

Try engaging in discussion, not just political partisan rhetoric. Try helping people understand why they're wrong or why you believe they're wrong. Try backing up your statements with reasoned comments. At least Major Kong does these things while still disagreeing with us. Try it some time.

OzzFan...

Exactly what is your problem regarding the necessary first step of stopping evil?

If you agree that evil movement must be stopped. How would you accomplish it?

Like I Said: A French CANADIAN.

A CANADIAN Surrounded by 99 SnowDRIFTs, Everywhere He Goes.

Yet dA Blame is

right wing Christian extremist Trump fan murders fellow citizens after being emboldened by the rise of right wing extremism in the USA. "

The GREAT CANADIAN 99 Percent had No 'STRONGER TOGETHER' Effect.

The GREAT CANADIAN 99 Percent had No 'They Go Low, We Go High' Effect.

The GREAT CANADIAN 99 Percent had No 'It Takes a Village' Effect.

The GREAT CANADIAN 99 Percent had No 'Healing, Love, KUMBAYA and Hugs' Effect.

The GREAT CANADIAN 99 Percent had No Ad Nauseam LIBERAL Ideals Effect.

How Come dA GREAT CANADIAN 99 Percent could NOT EMBOLDEN a Fellow Citizen to Not Murder his Fellow Citizens?

99 Yaps

Don't worry Tut', it's only a matter of time before he uses 'out of control violence' as an excuse to take federal forces into an inner city in a huge show of force meant to induce more fear in citizens.

99 to 99,000 Always Wrong Said:

Funny how this thread died once it came out that it was a Christian terrorist who committed the murders.

Notice in Thread Title: 'French Canadian Citizen' is Invoked. The inference of Canada as an All Consuming CESSPOOL of Love, Acceptance, Embracement, and All Around Kumbaya Nation.

IOWs Hate Festers in dA Northern Climes. And No Amount of Canadian Hugs and Healings can Avoid dA Nature of dA Beasties.

So, dA Fact is: You Kanucks Dropped dA LOVE BALL and ALLOWED dA Deaths of Fellow 'Citizens'.

Zappin' Yap

BREAKING: TERROR ATTACK In Quebec, Canada…Attacker Yells “Allah Akbar”…Several Dead

http://100percentfedup.com/breaking-terror-attack-in-quebec-canada-attacker-yells-allah-akbar-several-dead

This is changing fast.

Is this for real?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

Christians in the Middle-East have been executed in large numbers. We cannot allow this horror to continue!

...Senators should focus their energies on ISIS, illegal immigration and border security instead of always looking to start World War III.

Our country needs strong borders and extreme vetting, NOW. Look what is happening all over Europe and, indeed, the world - a horrible mess!

Somebody with aptitude and conviction should buy the FAKE NEWS and failing @nytimes and either run it correctly or let it fold with dignity!

On what planet does Trump live at?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/schumer-tears-up-as-he-calls-trumps-immigration-ban-mean-spirited/article/2613299

Somebody get chuck YOU! schumer a tissue.

Continued rising debt.
Continued rising unemployement.
Continued rising terrorism.
Continued sound of SUCKING (from jobs going over seas)
Flat income.

and the stock market keeps making the rich richer.

This country has needed some BOLD action since Bush 41 said "no new taxes" and then let the democrats raise taxes. Trump is taking action.

Trump is the first to stand up against the destruction of this country. You're witnessing real leadership.

It's going to be a bumpy ride. But I welcome it. We'll be better off in the long run. I'd bet on it.

Sigh. I know others already responded, but COME ON, Es! You do know at least one more reason she lost, don't you? Sending surrogates to certain states she thought were guaranteed instead of going herself? States that Trump flipped? You did learn of this, yes?

...her exact words were, "you have to have a public position and a private position" or something like that...

What makes you think I didn't take notice?

What makes you think Hilary was my preferred candidate from the democratic party?

So you cut your nose off to spite your face?

Hilary only behaved like politicians have behaved since forever (actually she wasn't as bad). The only mistake she made was being female so that her normal politicians behaviour suddenly became unforgivable.

Being a sexual assaulting racist lying bully wasn't a deal breaker for you.

I'm confused? Bernie was a sexual assaulting racist?

...There were people that voted for Bernie in primaries who then voted for Clinton in the general election (Ex could be among this group), just as there were Clinton voters on 2008 who voted for Obama.

Ex is among this group yes. I'd never have voted for Trump.

Cry babies crying about "cry babies".
You're a special little snowflake, aren't you?
Keep it up! Ha, ha, HA!

He may be, I certainly am.

Just as women appropriated the word "pussy" (among others); homosexuals the words "queer" and "gay" (among others); it may be time for those opposed to the normalization of "45" to appropriate the word "snowflake".

...her exact words were, "you have to have a public position and a private position" or something like that...

What makes you think I didn't take notice?

What makes you think Hilary was my preferred candidate from the democratic party?

I am so horrified watching this and painfully aware how it will effect decent good people who deserve better.

Here's one :-(

It won't be long before the theatre doors are closed.

I wouldn't be so quick to bet against Trump, 17 Republicans, 3 Democrats, a Green and many shades of Socialists did so in the last two years, and lost their collective ass.

The big smile will come to my face with the appointment and confirmation of 2 to 4 conservative SCOTUS justices in the coming years. That should put the cork firmly in the 'Progressive' social engineering agenda for the next half century or so.

Eat that Bloomberg and Soros.

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I did miss you.

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If you have a small amount of fraud, encourage a huge turnout. Then the small amount of fraud gets buried under an avalanche. Do the math.

If you don't want to be accused of saying racist, homophobic or sexist things, don't say racist, homophobic and sexist things. At the very least don't complain because you've been given enough rope to hang yourselves.

That IS the thought police/censorship around here, and elsewhere.

You, yourself, among many many others, label views that you personally disagree with as something *ist or *ic.... implying there is something 'wrong' with people that believe that way.

Just because you think something someone said is *ist, does not MAKE it *ist.

Case in point:

Voter ID laws.

The integrity of the voting process for various Government officials is VERY important to ensure the legitimacy of the Government.

We have multiple (a great many, in fact) VERIFIED cases of, for instance, dead people somehow voting...

It does not matter which party/faction/individuals are doing it, it NEEDS to be stopped.

Having an ID process in place is a necessary component of stopping it.

But, many seem to think that the motivation of people proposing it is... well... racist. It may very well be, in some cases... but NOT in everyone that suggests it, such as myself.

It is a good idea, to help ensure the integrity of the voting process. And there are, in for instance the Texas voter ID law, numerous safeguards built in to ensure that it does not unduly affect poor or minority people. In Texas, one form of voter IDs are issued FREE.

If voting is important enough to people, they can go get an acceptable ID for free. If it not important enough to the person to go get it, then perhaps voting is not important enough to that person. After all, we need ID for a great many other things, as well (such as getting a job, or getting some government benefits).

But nooo.... It seems that Democrats in the USA are more interested in gaining/keeping power than doing things to improve the process... And since it was Republicans that typically propose Voter ID requirements, the Democrats accuse it of being 'racist' as part of the Great Game of Politics, D vs. R edition that they are engaged in. The news media, for the most part, are in collusion with the Democrats, and the accusation the Democrats made has generally been accepted as fact by a great many.

All of this Democrat vs. Republican felgercarb is ruining the Nation, dividing us. It is keeping the People distracted from seeing what is really happening (the chains of Authortarian slavery slowly being buckled on us ALL).

Sigh...

Time for #Texit. At least here in Texas, we are not as far gone as much of the rest of the USA and the world... yet...

No his own, he pontificates as if his absolutist views are THE ANSWER to societies ills.

Pontification seems to be a major component of this thread but is only vilified when coming from the Conservative viewpoint............


If.................you..............don't................like...........what.................I.....................post..................use...............Mr.................Filter......................Button.....................

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JaundicedEye...

Unlike you, me, and a few other posters. 'They' must censor idea's they disagree with. 'They' cannot compete in a world of ethical, moral, nor intellectual exchange of views.

IE: Disgustingly accusing ALL who disagree with them of Xenophobia, Racism, Sexism, etc.

Please don't encourage, the must be stopped Right Wing Speech Police, and their Cousins in Hate, the Left Wing Speech Police.

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BTW: NAZI (National Socialist) should be considered, using the present inaccurate terms, Left Wing.

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BTW 2: Churchill and other British Conservatives. Were shocked that 'Right Wing' (Pro-Capitalist) Mussolini would ally himself with 'Left Wing' (Anti-Capitalist) Hitler.

I think if we weren't all so hung up on party associations, a lot of the angst would stop, and some actual good things for everybody would happen. I wish the political party system would go away, and we could vote based on the actual candidate.

And that all eligible voters shows up.
Unfortunately it's now a common trend not to vote.

Mr. Eye, ES is not a Democrat.
Neither am I.

"A rose(or a cabbage), by any other name....."

Or perhaps a necessary correction to the Dangerous, Anti-Tolerant, and Incompetent Left.

The left is anti-tolerant? What?

You do realize Trump appointed Steve Bannon, right?

[Steve Bannon] has "pushed racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic material into the vein of the alternative right"

The anti-tolerant and anti-women's rights and anti gay and anti non-white rhetoric of the right are the main reasons I affiliate with the democratic party.. I don't know what about the liberal movement can be considered 'anti-tolerant'. That's pretty laughable.

Ex...

The Left attacks other Targets. Men, Whites, etc.

The Left is as Bigoted and Dangerous as those they attack.

Think of Stalin attacking Hitler.

http://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/
Or another view, that it was designed to protect the slave states.

And the Slavers were large land owners. Rentier capitalists. "Rentier capitalism is used to describe economic practices of monopolization of access to any (physical, financial, intellectual, etc.) kind of property, and gaining significant amounts of profit without contribution to society."

Is this the right wing Christian College that promotes anti-gay sentiment? Seems a strange choice to be holding up as an exemplar.

STOP!

Don't read it. You may find something like this:

...begins by defining a word many of you in here always seem to incorrectly relate to "right wing."


Edit:
AVALANCHE!
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-unleashes-3853-regs-18-for-every-law-record-97110-pages-of-red-tape/article/2610592

Brilliant words by a brilliant man.

HILLSDALE COLLEGE: PURSUING TRUTH • DEFENDING LIBERTY SINCE 1844

Speech by Allan P. Kirby, Jr., Hillsdale College, 2 Dec 2016 (frivolous stuff removed from introduction)

(Note to most posters in here, this is NOT a one-line quip, and he begins by defining a word many of you in here always seem to incorrectly relate to "right wing")

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Trump said he was seeking the nomination under the Republican Party, not the conservative party.

Yet there is a lot we can learn from him about conservatism.

Conservatism is a derivative term: it refers to something outside itself. We cannot conserve the present or the future, and the past being full of contradiction, we cannot conserve it entire. In the past one finds heroism and villainy; justice and injustice; freedom and slavery. Things in the past are like things in the present: they must be judged. Conservative people know this if they have any sense.

It is the additional knowledge that things that have had a good reputation for a long time are more trustworthy than new things. This is especially true of original things. The very term principle refers to something that comes first; to change the principle of a thing is to change it into something else. Without the principle, the thing is lost.

If American conservatism means anything, it means the things found at the beginning of America, when it became a nation. The classics teach us that forming political bonds is natural to people, written in their nature, stemming from the divine gift they have of speech and reason. This means in turn that the Declaration of Independence, where the final causes of our nation are stated, and the Constitution of the United States, where the form of government is established, are the original things. These documents were written by people who were friends and who understood the documents to pursue the same ends. Taken together they are the longest surviving things of their kind, and under their domain our country spread across a continent and became the strongest nation on earth, the bastion of freedom.

It follows then that if Donald Trump helps to conserve these things, he is a conservative in the sense that matters most to the republic of the Americans. Will he?

He will have a hard road. Today the authority of these two documents is in obvious decline for several reasons. In the academy they are rejected as obsolete or evil, and this opinion spreads through-out the talking classes, most everywhere in education, journalism, and entertainment. It has spread widely and deeply into the law. As a result our government has swollen beyond recognition, and it is centralized to a degree unimagined in the Constitution. Laws are made now cheifly by regulatory agencies that combine in themselves all three power of government. The popular or elected branches may overturn thee regulations only when they unite to do so, and this is increasingly rare. So every institution in society is in principle subject to comprehensive regulation. Every employer, every school, many clubs, and family life itself are now the subject of rules too complex for the lay person to grasp. These rules are not always enforced, nor can they be, but Americans sense that they better be looking over their shoulders, careful of what the say.

This has changed the way we live. Compliance increasingly replaces law-abidingness as the public goal. Laws, the Founders held, must be simple, few, and constant. Then we may all know what they are, live under them, and help to enforce them. This makes us equal, ruler and ruled. It means that we do not quail before the forces of the law. We are the forces of the law. Compliance, by contrast, means adapting constantly to changing and complex instructions from central authorities, and it means the employment of specialists to interpret the regulations and make sure others conform. In addition to this, whole populations, and not only in the inner city, live in long-term dependence on the government. It means that the government is separate from the people, and it means that the government grows.

These new features of American government present a danger implicit in the manner of our Constitution. Ours, wrote Madison, is the first nation to adopt purely representative forms. This means that all sovereignty or authority to rule is located in the governed or in the people. But at the same time, the people do not occupy the offices of government—as they did, for instance, in Athenian democracy. America's pure or simple "republicanism," as Madison called it, makes possible the separation of powers both between the governed and their government and also inside the parts of the government. The sovereign people delegate their authority to government, separately to separate places. This separation is both horizontal, among the branches of the federal government, and vertical, between the states and the federal government. The people themselves are outside the government, and they may intervene only at election time. Between elections, they watch, judge, and argue—in other words, they think before they act. Over time, but only over time, they may replace the whole lot. This system limits both their power and the power of those in government.

Today, however, the government has grown so large that it is a major factor in everything, including elections, and is in the position of taking on a will of its own. It is on the verge of being too big for private people to manage. This is the political crisis of our time. No policy question, with the exception of imminent major war, which we do not have right now, can matter so much.

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Trump has addressed this problem more directly than anyone since Ronald Reagan—in some ways, more than anyone including Reagan. He would drain the swamp. He would abolish the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Education. He has rallied the people in direct opposition to their governing elite. He has appealed to the people directly in opposition to their government. And what has he achieved?—from nothing, a constitutional majority that controls all the popular branches at the federal level, soon to have a profound effect on the judiciary. In addition, his party advanced from a strong position in state legislatures and governorships. The party of Trump, if the Republican Party is that party, is in a position to make changes, as good or better a position as it has enjoyed since the Great Society.

Moreover, Trump ran in utter defiance of the political correctness that enforces this new system of government. He did not bend his knee to identity groups. He claimed to represent all "citizens," a favorite term, by which he means citizens who hold that status under the law. He said he would represent their interest and their country, which he will make great again, and not the interest of any others. He did not care that this intention was conflated with racism. He saw that conflation as another sign of corruption, which it certainly is. Unless he is insensate, which he does not seem, Trump is possessed of moral courage as much as assertiveness, and his assertiveness is a sight to behold.

But can he do anything? Many conservatives have been doubtful of Trump and many others opposed. There are reasons for this. He is the first man elected president as his first significant public service. He is sometimes vulgar. He is a celebrity, star of his own show, which is playing wherever he goes. His is not the understated sort of elitism. Consistent with this, he is a populist: he likes ordinary folk, and they like him. This has made some conservative and libertarian people fear mobs with pitchforks. I fear them myself because

I see them on so many college campuses, but not on my own, and not among the Trump supporters. I think these mobs are the product of modern liberalism and the bureaucratic state, not the product of Trump.

I prefer to be hopeful about the future, and I am hopeful about the Trump administration. His campaign and his appointments at this early stage give us some information upon which to speculate. Take one example about which I know something: education.

Trump has called for the abolition of the Department of Education, as did Reagan. By contrast, both Presidents Bush sought to strengthen that Department. Trump has nominated the splendid Betsy DeVos to be secretary of the Department, and she is a fighter for every kind of school choice. The federal government spends seven or eight percent of its money on education, and its method is typical of the federal intrusion into local matters: it gives money from the federal treasury to states and localities on condition. The conditions are myriad, confusing, and usually ugly when they can be understood. Title IV of the Higher Education Act governs federal student aid, and it numbers around 500 pages. A lawyer for our college told me once that I would be unable to read it, because he himself cannot read it, for which reason his firm keeps a specialist who is the only person he knows who understands what it says. For this reason alone, it would be a grand thing to get rid of the Department of Education.

There are also some excellent intermediate steps. If one changed the conditions of the federal education money that goes to states, localities, and schools, there could be an immediate influence. Education is one of those things that is easy enough to understand, but hard to do. The first thing to understand is that human beings are made to learn, and they desire to do it naturally. This means the job of teachers, like the job of parents, is to help children learn, not to make them or cause them to learn. Good schools are built around this fact. It also means that authority over the schools can best be exercised by those who are closest to the students. What if the federal government required states to pass charter laws that delegated wide latitude and real authority to schools, not to the Department of Education or to state departments of education or to school districts? What if it relied, not upon high-stakes centralized testing as in Common Core, but in the simple fact that parents and teachers are much more likely to care for students than strangers, even if those strangers are highly trained federal bureaucrats?

The chairman of our education program at Hillsdale College has written a series of standards that states might adopt for K-12 education. For each grade, they take up about half a page. But if a child can do the things on that half a page, the child has learned a lot. Here is a way for higher levels of government to be sure that any money they give to lower levels is well spent in education. It involves hardly any management of details. That is the constitutional model, the model that comes from our Founding.

To follow this practice would liberalize the system. It would mean that there would be plenty of bad charter schools, just as there are plenty of bad schools now. But it would also mean that there would be a proliferation of good ones. Hillsdale College has helped to found i6 charter schools, with more coming, and they are all doing well. Everybody wears a uniform and signs an honor code. Everybody—indeed everybody in kindergarten—learns to read. Everybody studies mathematics at least through pre-calculus. Everybody learns Latin, history, literature, philosophy, physics, biology, and chemistry. Everybody is admitted by a lottery system. For the inner-city schools, care is taken to advertise only in the immediate area, to make the opportunity available to the children who live in poor areas. The students in these schools make on the average excellent scores on the ubiquitous state standardized tests, and they do this without class time or curriculum set aside to prepare for those tests. They do very well even in relation to the legions of public schools that now take months to cram only for those tests, which means the students know little more than what is on those tests, and all the adults get raises and promotions if the students do well. That's why there have been spectacular instances of cheating—by teachers and school administrators!—on those tests.

The kind of education going on in Hillsdale's charter schools is not something that could be advanced nationally by a federal mandate. Key to the success of these schools is that the school leaders, the parents, and the teachers are all glad to be there and all help willingly to make it work. In other words, they are all volunteers. It is a partnership. Partnerships are cooperative, not imperative. If you force people who are unwilling to do something, they will not do it very well, which is the encapsulation of human freedom.

Nowhere is this freedom more evident than in the process of learning. At Hillsdale College the curriculum is rigorous and the standards of behavior are high. But they are not imperative. The ultimate penalty is simply this question: are you sure you want to be here, when there are so many other options, options generally not quite so difficult or strict? The student who responds yes to that question is self-governing, which is the aim. That is why we at Hillsdale would not support a national law that everyone had to do what we do. We know too much about human beings to think that would work.

Let us say that the Department of Education began to reform itself along these lines. It is in a real position to lead if it will do so, because it would be setting a profound example: it would be teaching the governments below not to give people orders all the time. It would be teaching them that parents do after all love their children in the great majority of cases, and that the strongest institutions are built on love. It would be teaching them that schools can do better without a national engineering project to take over their work, to set their tests, to prescribe their behavior. And this would lay the ground for the Department's abolition.

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If this is possible in education, it might work in other places too. Since the Founding, twelve cabinet offices have been added to the federal establishment. In the original federal government there was a Secretary of State to handle the relations of the American people with other countries. There must be such relations. There was a Secretary of War (now Defense) to manage the defense of our nation from enemies. We have such enemies, and we must defend ourselves. There was a Secretary of the Treasury to manage the budget and the money of the federal government. To operate, the federal government must collect taxes and spend money. And there was an Attorney General (not originally overseeing a department) to enforce the laws of the federal government. One can see that these functions are necessary to the federal government in a way that the functions of other departments are not.

The Department of Education was founded in 1979, whereas Hillsdale College was founded in 1844. Education was a thing to behold in the United States long before there was a Department. Likewise people had houses before we had a Department of Housing and Urban Development; they traveled before we had a Department of Transportation; they traded before we had a Department of Commerce. You can see the line of thought. A federal government with four cabinet officers would be a federal government doing what it was built to do. That is why it is breathtaking that Trump would call for the elimination of departments, and breathtaking that he would appoint some and interview others who at least want to restrict the activities of those departments so people can be free.

We do not know what this election means. That is in the future. If it means that we will return to constitutional government, it means the most important thing that it can mean.

Some say it will mean the denigration of immigrants based on race or religion. Trump has not said that: he has said that our country belongs to its citizens. Think of consent of the governed, the principle of the relationship between the people and the government in America. That cannot mean just the will of the people, that they can do whatever they want. Otherwise they would be giving consent to governments that would immediately take away their right to consent. It must mean, if it means anything, that consent is rightly given only to governments that protect their right to consent.

Moreover it cannot mean that anyone has a right to be a citizen of the United States, even if it is truly said that the principles of the nation are universal. It means rather that the United States, alone among the nations of the earth, is a set of practices and beliefs, available in principle to every people to believe those beliefs and adopt those practices. It means also that citizens have the right to determine who becomes a citizen. In the Declaration of Independence, one of the complaints against the King is that he expanded the borders of Quebec down into the American colonies, having given that province a government by his fiat alone. The King was attempting to choose the people, whereas the people have the right to choose the government. Trump and the American people seem to favor the latter, and in that vital respect they are on the side of the Founders.

Some say that Trump will turn us toward "isolationism" and away from "internationalism." These are not principles to which one can assign any meaning. The purpose of the government of the United States is to protect the rights of the people of the United States. If we mean by internationalism the practices and institutions that Winston Churchill helped to build, including NATO, I revere them. Also I know that Churchill helped build those according to his best judgment how to protect the actual life of freedom, responsibility, and prosperity of the British people, first and foremost, because he worked for them.

Russia may be a problem today, but not the problem that the Soviet Union was. Western Europe may be an ally today, but is it so good an ally as it was before it built an unaccountable Europe-wide government, in defiance of the popular votes of several countries still subject to it? The United States can be the leader of the world only if it is strong, and it now for the first time is deeply in debt. Lincoln said, "As our case is new, so we must think anew." The case is new today. I for one would stay close to Britain and Israel, old friends who have the art of self-government. But everything including that must be thought through. We seem to have a chance to do that now.

The polls tell us that the American people today live in fear of the government. Now they have elected someone new, and we will soon know if he is good. It is a simple fact that he has never done anything like this before, and very great people have found such things difficult. But I would be hopeful for many reasons. One of the main ones is that he wrote this, on January 16 of this year:

The United States of America is a land of laws, and Americans value the rule of law above all. Why, then, has our Congress allowed the president and the executive branch to take on near-dictatorial power?... What is needed in Washington is a president who will rein in the executive branch and work with Congress to make sure the legislative branch does its job.

Trump has said that these are his purposes. Pray that he achieves them.

<sounds of clapping, cheering and whistling from the crowd!!>

Well it's been confirmed.

Trump is 45th President of the USA

Shall we take bets on how long he lasts before he's impeached?

8 months is my bet :-)

A repeat from another Thread, a few days ago:

#1 - The Democrat's Failed Recount

#2 - The Democrat's Failed attempted hijacking of Electoral College

#3 - The Democrat's Failed attempted Impeachment

#4 - The Political Suicide of The Democrat's.

Fun to watch!!!

P.S. After reading the 'Impeachment' Posts. Even more fum!!!

Well it's been confirmed.

Trump is 45th President of the USA

Shall we take bets on how long he lasts before he's impeached?

8 months is my bet :-)

Well it's been confirmed.

Trump is 45th President of the USA

It seems I've been gone awhile. It must be all the snow.

Hi ES99

Long time no see.

And apparently you can't see that with increased economic activity, tax revenue rises.

When you cut taxes you increase inflation because more has to be borrowed driving up interest rates and making the dollar worthless. That more than eats up any increase in economic activity.

OR... you could just cut Government Spending. Stop the borrowing/deficit spending.

The largest piece of the pie* is the Pentagon & VA. Cut to zero. Now we might not have to raise taxes to stop the deficit.
All the rest of the slices together don't match this one, so have your reality check.


*Discretionary spending.

You still don't get it, Gary... Eliminate 'entitlements', AND cut 'discretionary spending' by at LEAST 50%. Must be the air there in the People's Republic of California affecting your mind, between all the Cannabis pollen and the methane emissions... <wink>

If California (or any other State) wishes to have 'entitlements', let them pay for it with their own State Taxes.

Gary you didn't mention the proposed tax cuts coupled with the proposed infrastructure spending. The increased supply of money will exacerbate the inflation cycle you describe. The inflation will reduce real income. Those who hold physical assets will see their values hold. Hence the oligarchs get a relative gain. That is all they want . Read Thorstein Veblen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_of_the_Leisure_Class

Thought "promises of Trump" covered that. However please do continue about spend and pass the buck to the future Trump. As the debt of the US explodes under him hyperinflation may pass Weimar Republic standards.

Trump didn't cause the present problem.

Those who caused the present problem are yelling, screaming and stomping their feet attacking Trump.

Amazing to behold.

All this drivel and I support the electoral college process

What does it matter if they don't vote? Popular vote doesn't matter. Popular vote doesn't elect our Commander in Chief

The two posts seem to be contradictory.......as previously pointed out...

if the POPULAR VOTE in a STATE is for a candidate then THAT STATE votes to ELECT THE PRESIDENT.

No it doesn't. The popular vote selects electors to the electoral college. They can and frequently do as they damn well please.
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

[snip]
If you had only listened, Gary Johnson for President.

I agree with everything in your post except for the last line. Fortunately you are from a state where voting for Gary Johnson wasn't effectively a vote for Trump.

BTW, it's when you say things like that, you trigger CLYDE :)

And you guys go round and round... and in the end CLYDE would be right.

I know, I know... you think I've gone crazy (or am crazy in general).

But I've been shaking my head for months. You guys are SO allergic to his writing style that you fail to see CLYDE's almost never wrong.

Let me explain:
a) When CLYDE goes on a back and forth with one of you guys and does NOT back down, chances are he is right and you are wrong. He has thought it through a lot better than you have. Sorry.
b) When CLYDE goes on a back and forth with one of you guys and you present him with a piece of info he was missing he IMMEDIATELY says, "I stand corrected". Do I really have to remind you guys that not a lot of people can do that? And that it's a good thing?

Back to the quoted text.

...you are from a state where voting for Gary Johnson wasn't effectively a vote for Trump.

You are being a TINA. And I'm pretty sure you neither are or want to be a TINA.

As for me? There is ZERO chance I would have voted for Trump or Hillary. Had you dropped me in State, told me the State has voted, told me that T&H are tied and... it would STILL be a choice between Johnson & Stein. And (personally) I'd probably go for Stein.

What blows my mind is that I have to explain this to an insanely sharp progressive.

If you had only listened, Gary Johnson for President.

I agree with everything in your post except for the last line. Fortunately you are from a state where voting for Gary Johnson wasn't effectively a vote for Trump.

If only 1/3 of the Rats and 1/3 of the Pugnants had voted for Gary Johnson, he would have a huge mandate. It is thinking like you expressed that causes the Trumps to be elected and the bondage and slavery to continue.

Moscow had contacts with Trump team during campaign, Russian diplomat says

Good job, America. Good job.

We already knew this http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html

The ruling elite have taken a blow that hopefully they shall never recover from.

So sorry to inform you that the ruling elite's candidate won. Trump is a actor, showman, carnie and con man all in one, a good one, and a silver spooner, never worked a day in his life for the man, because he is the man. When you see how he dumps you without health care, raises tax on the middle class so he can lower it on corporations and billionaires (himself), kills your cheap imported goods so you have to pay double the sales tax to get what you want, you will rue the day you swallowed his bait hook line and sinker. You just voted for the largest tax increase in history and you don't even know it! You just voted to cut your disposable income by half and you don't even know it! Just wait 'till he gets rid of the EPA because those regulations are bad for profits and you have to live in the toxic choking air and drink the filthy polluted water. Remember many times when the Cayahoga River caught fire? That is the kind of profits Trump stands for and you will have to live it.

If you had only listened, Gary Johnson for President.

Countless Acts Of Hate Have Been Carried Out Since Trump’s Win

So you're saying it's Trump's fault?

However, I strongly feel that all people should stand up for what they truly believe and work to better all humankind.

You mean "gay-therapy" instead of AIDS treatment? Because that's the kind of thing some believe.

Exactly.

Really? Wow. I would not have expected that response. How unfortunate.

However, I strongly feel that all people should stand up for what they truly believe and work to better all humankind.

You mean "gay-therapy" instead of AIDS treatment? Because that's the kind of thing some believe.

I could go on, but all this election has done is shone a light on just far we need to go to achieve equality. These things might not effect you, but they are very real to me.

All persons running for President, and if elected. Must endure the lies, hatred and vitriol directed against them. Just a normal part of the process.

The lies, hatred and vitriol directed against her. Has nothing to do with her gender.

Hillary is getting Equal Treatment. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Perhaps you should read my posts before you make unfounded accusations. I think my calling Drumpf a sex pervert and my call for him to be registered as a sex offender should tell you I'm disgusted by it and him and his kind, but of course that doesn't fit into your world view, or that chip on your shoulder won't let you see it.

You are the one with the chip on your shoulder if you thought that comment was about you.

Same post with the rest about me, yes it was about me as you did not indicate another subject. I'm sure that was your intent. That is the truth.
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/things-wish-known-gaslighting/

You Know What Your Truth Is – You Always Have, and You Always Will

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I could easily see you using Barry Goldwater's words, “Extremism in defense of feminism is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of feminism is no virtue.”

Perhaps you should read my posts before you make unfounded accusations. I think my calling Drumpf a sex pervert and my call for him to be registered as a sex offender should tell you I'm disgusted by it and him and his kind, but of course that doesn't fit into your world view, or that chip on your shoulder won't let you see it.

(I'm going to regret the amount of work I'm going to have to do to go up against 2 very articulate people... but the INTJ in me can't help himself)


You and Angela are talking up Hillary as if you are talking about Elizabeth Warren. I don't get it. I feel like I'm watching a totally different movie.

Just like I feel Mark & I are watching a totally different movie in regards to Trump.

Perhaps American use of that phrase doesn't match British and/or Canadian use of the phrase. Google seems to come up with many different definitions.

Angela, with all due respect, I'm not a progressive because of what those policies have done to inner city America. Detroit, Baltimore and more. Controlled by 'progressive' policies that have not improved their residents situation in 50 years.

Time for a real change, not a promise that's a lie meant to enrich just one family.

JaundicedEye, please know that the respect is mutual.

The last time we had a Progressive Government, FDR was spending us out of a depression (...and ramping up a war effort.)

Urban decay has many causes, racial discrimination being the primary cause. To blame "progressive politics" for urban decay seems a bit simplistic to me, especially since President Obama (who I support and think has done a very good job, given the economy he inherited and the number of global crises facing all of us), did not deliver unto me, upon a silver platter, my much desired socialist utopia.

the vitriol directed against Obama was/is racist.

Seriously? Racist?

My problem with Obama is he is a liar, unmitigated coward and an imbecile. Stupidity doesn't have a race.

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#3- The opinion that the vitriol directed against any President. Must be from a Racist position. Is incorrect.

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Chips on shoulders are usually honest.

Gary,

He has to, you are a girl and thus incapable of independent thought, in his mind.

That was rude and uncalled for.
I think no such thing about her.

I'm dissapointed in the tone and ggroundless acusations here today.

Sorry Johnny, I was being sarcastic about her response and what frequently has been implied in her interactions with many.

Es99...

I will still be using your very incorrect grouping of Political and Social terms.

#1 - Left Wing is as Racist and Sexist as they accuse others of. Doesn't matter if The Target is different. You know the disgusting and evil persons who chant Men are.., Whites are..., et al.

Yes... I don't like Racist's, Sexist's, et al, of any Political/Social side. Nor make excuses for them, if we agree politically.

#2 - Trump is a... and Hillary is a...

We know that. This election is not about Them.

#3 - You are not being "shouted" at in these Forums. Just a difference of opinion.

BTW: Would you describe my response as 'Shouting'?

very good.

My 'point" was to offer what I thought was an interesting little test that not only shows liberal and conservative but also shows whether your liberal or conservative views are Statist or Libertarian.
Just trying to offer folks the idea that politics are NOT lineal.

You didn't state what side of the center point your liberal beliefs are. Statist or Libertarian? or did you end up right on the center line?
That is why I explained it in advance.
That was what I was hoping for.
That was my point.

Es99,

The lower half of the political chart is dedicated to Authoritarians.
The ones that want to tell everybody else how to live.

Which are you? Take a quick quiz to find out.
https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php

With The Bottom (Toilet?). Populated with Marxists, Progressives, Socialists, Global Capitalists, NAZI's, KKK, and others who believe in the destruction of Tolerance and Individual Freedoms.

And the route sign on the 'road to the bottom'........

I see the British SCOTUK

W.T.F is that ??? Don't exist over here , try High court and that ain't the highest court in this country !!!

It doesn't?. Looks like it's been around since 2005.

Donald Trump have been to the UK Supreme Court but lost the battle to stop wind farm near his Scottish golf resort:)

The allegations against the clinton crime family are coming out so fast, there's no time to digest them.

The accelerated pace of the clinton crime family corruption (and all connected with that crime family) contain all the reasons things seem so screwed up currently here in the states.

It's how dictators rise to power.

It's still a toss-up if the people can overcome the depth of the corruption created over the decades.

So if you met a man and agreed to have sex if he had protection, you would believe him if he said he was on the pill?

And another thought, with all the warnings about STD's wouldn't you want a barrier, a condom, therefore what is the point of a male contraceptive for the single man, or the unfaithful married man?

Hillary said she's going to take what works in obamacare and make it better. Just what exactly works in obamacare?

Millions now have free health care. Free? Not really. Free works? Not really.

The ruling class exempted themselves from obamacare within a couple months of it passing. They don't participate in it. They get free health care paid for... by the tax payer. And they get what ever they want from the health care industry.

Those who now have free health care get free health care paid for... by the tax payer. They get free aspirin and band-aides. And free abortions. Since they now have a carrot on the end of stick they can actually reach, they'll keep voting for the centralization of all power and control.

The tax payer now not only has to pay for what ever the ruling class wants at the hospital and the tax payer not only has to pay for his band-aides and aspirin, the tax payer now have to pay for every one else's free band-aides, aspirin, and abortions.

Since there is no limit on demand and there remains a limit on supply, guess what? Health care premiums will continue to rise until there are so few paying for everything, they can no longer afford it.

By design, the ruling class will then completely take over health care. "Single payer" They will then tell you what health care you can have.

The payers will pay what they can. Those getting free health care will continue getting free band-aides, aspirins and abortions. And the ruling class will always be first in line for the by-pass surgery.

Free health care benefits the ruling class, gives the illusion to those getting free aspirin, band-aides and abortions that their government is taking care of them, and the numbers of people paying for it continue to decline until the ruling class has everything they want and the people are screwed.

To think anything other than this is to deny that evil exists in the world--including within the ruling establishments (of any country). What's utter nonsense is to deny evil exists. What's utter nonsense is to *not* hold evil back by force.

I am so utterly fed up with nasty, dangerous ignorance displayed by some people on this topic. (, too.) Besides, you have free, single payer health care in Canada. Why, AGAIN, do you give a crap about how health care is handled down here? I guess you haven't reached an age yet where you QALI score is so low, you get put on a waiting list that'll be longer than your expected survival time. What are you going to do if you can't cross your southern border any more to get that procedure done before you expire because the waiting list down here is just as long? Say, "oops"?

Trump says he's going to block grant medicaid to the states and remove the artificial borders among the states for healthcare insurance competition. In other words, he's going to give money to the states so they can decide how to hand out FREE HEALTH care, and remove their power to control those who pay for healthcare within their borders. People will have more choices and competition will lower prices. Only socialists, Marxists and communists don't understand this concept because they fail to see it has worked so well in many other industries. And because you can always find some knuckle-head who refuses to take care of himself, the socialist, Marxist and communists think the government should take care of everybody. You can't fight nature. You always lose in the long run.

janneseti: No, very few people in the US know what life is like outside the US. This is a very serious problem. Most here think the rest of the world lives like us.

Male contraceptive injection successful trial halted: Apparently women can have such ailments as depression and acne thrust upon them for the greater good of preventing an unwanted pregnancy, but the same level of discomfort cannot be expected of men

Just a question, no disagreement with the article.

How many women, excluding those those who would be answering about their husband/partner, would trust a man who said he was on the pill?

...rounding us up and systematically providing us with free health care known as late term abortions.

When trump uses fighting words ... the result.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/north-carolina-gop-office-attacked-229865

It is not Trump, or his supporter's, who are responsible.

It is the Hate-filled Left, who is responsible for their actions.

I don't understand why there isn't even a mention of all the wikileak dumps happening about hillary now. There seems to be a dump per day now.

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...yet feminists say oft - Give us a chance & we'll do MUCH better than you men...

...sheesh.

And hillary's idea on wide open borders, giving away everything, raising taxes and more government spending will crash us as a nation (by design!)

(Not to mention the lawlessness which leads to violence that she so willingly promotes)

Who ever supports hillary needs to wake up from their purple haze and *look* at what's happening in the ruling establishment and to this country.

Look at what hillary is saying. Look at what she does in private according to eyewitness accounts. Look at what obama has done and *HOW* he has done it.

We are losing this country because of progressives. If hillary makes it to the white house, the SCOTUS will become a 7:2 activist, progressive, change the meaning of words as directed by hillary and the likes to give the ruling establishment power and control for at least the next 30 years.

No more constitution. No more rule of law. People you disagree with will be prosecuted for thought crimes. Some areas of our population centers will have no more police protection/fire protection. And we will decay into something we never imagined.

Here is the story of Derek Black. Yes that Derek Black, formerly of Stormfront.
Son of Don Black, founder of Stormfront, white nationalist, Grand Wizard KKK, former member of the American Nazi Party.
Derek Black is also the godson of David Duke leader of the American white nationalists, politician, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, Holocaust denier, and former Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

The white flight of Derek Black

Unfortunately. Both sides have Hater's, Racist's, Sexist's, etc. Among their supporters.

'm hoping for a land-slide surprise victory for Trump. More than 40 states.

Reality check ... http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKBN12F0PC

If the election were held this week, the project estimates that Clinton's odds of securing the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win the presidency at more than 95 percent, and by a margin of 118 Electoral College votes.

SNL

In other words, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0?

Here's an interesting idea...

"Cut her Mic"

...can someone cut Clinton & Trump's Mic?

John Pilger.....well known for his prejudiced views portraying China and Russia as misunderstood and embattled 'defenders' of their countries against the depredations of the tyrannical powers of the 'West'.

What a crock. He totally ignores the internal dissent in both of these countries and claims the US is the aggressor against them. Typical of the level of 'Journalism' in the world today. Not interested in uncovering the truth, just selling more 'documentaries' that usually ignore things that don't fit their distorted view of reality.

But even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally, his assessment of Obama is spot on only missing the fact of his abject cowardice (red lines).

Too many people believe anything they see on screen(both large and small), and in print, because it doesn't require them to think. He is the Michael Moore of Australia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger

Well a comment regarding 2016 to the question I asked, to me seems STUPID.

Feelings are always valid.

Gary...

Then my "feeling" about you are correct?

Yes... 100%

:) :) :)

Back to The Subject (If Gary and WinterKnight will allow)

An important question:

Do those 'supporting' Hillary in this thread. Really believe she would be a Good President. Or is your vote for Hillary, really an Anti-Trump vote?

Es, didn't know Canada had so many sexists.

The way you say it's so rampant, I wonder about your sanity.

And if you minimize what hillary has done, it'll just keep happening. And if you're not aware of what hillary has done, you're just blocking out what doesn't fit the view you want to see.

Gary, the truth about BLM is that it's a separatist movement. And yes, I'm sick of BLM also. If we give BLM what they want, well, just look at the areas of Paris that no longer have police protection because the separatists there have been successful.

Es99...

Incorrect.

#1 - Your demonstrably false assertion (true to you) regarding why I am disagreeing with you. Is part of the problem in reducing, and hopefully stopping sexism and racism.

#2 - When I repeat your Posting, and simply change female, to male. It does confirm #1.

Es99... Understanding the problems. Is not the same as understanding the solutions. Attacking innocents is not acceptable.

What bothers me more than anything is the fact that the Politics Forum is
little more than a Sausage Fest.
The male perspective is voiced in Technicolor, but the Female perspective
is nearly non-existent, except for a few brilliant women, like Es99,
who when they bare their souls are ridiculed, beyond belief.

Exactly, which is why women don't report these things. It's why I've never reported any of the times I've been harassed, groped and verbally abused. Can you imagine going into a police station and having to tell your story to someone like Clyde and to have to convince them that, yes, what happened is actually a big traumatic deal and not a complement? Not just men being men, but a vile, frightening invasion of your person?


If they won't hear it from me, perhaps they will listen to Michelle:

Michelle Obama Denounces Trump’s Words

Es99 just loves to attack innocents.

Yes... Have arrested many males for either sexually abusing or raping females.

Yes... I have consoled many females after a brutal rape.

Es99... Your post is not only factually incorrect about me. But disgusting to anyone who has had to deal many times, with the aftermath of these crimes.

Sexism: sick of hearing about it.


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What bothers me more than anything is the fact that the Politics Forum is
little more than a Sausage Fest.
The male perspective is voiced in Technicolor, but the Female perspective
is nearly non-existent, except for a few brilliant women, like Es99,
who when they bare their souls are ridiculed, beyond belief.

I love men explaining to me what chauvinistic behaviour is, especially when it's clear they have no idea.

And chauvinism is a two way street.....

Unfortunately it seems more often to go one way rather than another.

Sexual Abusing female teachers also seem to be in the news weekly.

Therefore, according to you. I can make the same statement regarding Female Teachers?

It makes the news because it is rarer than the inverse. It also has nothing to do with anything. It is a fact that sexism is more prevalent against women than men. I am sure if you had to put up with the things women do, you would be telling me all about how you life has been consistently made more difficult because you are male. It hasn't. Your life is easier because you are a male. That is one of those pesky fact things that you have trouble with. Do you want me to list all the obstacles I've had to overcome simply because I'm female?

It will take a while and you probably won't believe me any way because I'm female.

Because I am a Male: I am (fill-in the negatives).

Es99...

Look into your heart.

Do you want me to list all the obstacles I've had to overcome simply because I'm female?

Since we are all so blissfully clueless, yes please do.

I know it will help us better understand your plight.

There is a difference between feminism, and 2nd-wave radical feminism.

That is HILARIOUS.
Men can tell the difference between types of Feminism,
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I love men explaining to me what chauvinistic behaviour is, especially when it's clear they have no idea.

And chauvinism is a two way street.....

Unfortunately it seems more often to go one way rather than another.

Sexual Abusing female teachers also seem to be in the news weekly.

Therefore, according to you. I can make the same statement regarding Female Teachers?

What is your experience? Why don't we make a discussion about an entitled male assaulting women all about YOUR experience as a male. Obviously your perspective will throw real light on the situation.

You are the one having problems go for it then. Your forum.

I got over my experiences and have not let them poison my view of the world and people.

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What I am hearing 'on the ground' from women is this: That Trump's remarks as most men and women (yes the women do admit to Disgusting Sexual Remarks). Are disgusting. Now move on.

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That's weird, because what I am hearing 'on the ground' from both men and women is that Trump's remarks describe illegal behaviour and are disgusting.

Es99...

What behavior? AKA: Victims in the released tape.

Popular Obama (see below) and Hillary's husband, who will (hopefully) live in The White House. Are more than verbally disgusting.

Repeat of a previous Post -

President Obama showing off his erection to giggling female reporters. 2008 video by CNN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGJIB5cO0cQ

Legal behavior?

Please don't ever tell me that I don't know what sexual assault is. From you flippant comments I can only assume it has never happened to you.

There is a chasm of difference between what Obama is shown doing and what Trump claimed he has done.

I am telling you what it is. I am telling you as a woman that you do not get to tell women whether their reality is valid or not.

Es99...

Then... As a Man, you also do not get to tell men whether their reality is valid or not.

But... I did miss your posts. If just to confirm what I have been saying.

I am telling you as a woman that you do not get to tell women whether their reality is valid or not.

and I am telling you as a man that you do not get to tell men whether their reality is valid or not.

As you can see that goes both ways. So where does that leave us?

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What I am hearing 'on the ground' from women is this: That Trump's remarks as most men and women (yes the women do admit to Disgusting Sexual Remarks). Are disgusting. Now move on.

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That's weird, because what I am hearing 'on the ground' from both men and women is that Trump's remarks describe illegal behaviour and are disgusting.

Es99...

What behavior? AKA: Victims in the released tape.

Popular Obama (see below) and Hillary's husband, who will (hopefully) live in The White House. Are more than verbally disgusting.

Repeat of a previous Post -

President Obama showing off his erection to giggling female reporters. 2008 video by CNN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGJIB5cO0cQ

Legal behavior?

I love men explaining to me what chauvinistic behaviour is, especially when it's clear they have no idea.

And chauvinism is a two way street.....

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What I am hearing 'on the ground' from women is this: That Trump's remarks as most men and women (yes the women do admit to Disgusting Sexual Remarks). Are disgusting. Now move on.

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How is hillary going to continue this fine tradition started by obama and make it better?

http://www.dailywire.com/news/9897/obamas-own-lewd-tape-emerges-shows-his-erection-james-barrett

betreger, just what is democracy? Having a public position and a private position? That used to be called a two-faced liar.

Gary, the GOP is not what it used to be. Most of them are republican in name only (RINO) now. The senior members of the so-called GOP are joining forces with the liberal/socialist/Marxist/communists to keep what they have--power and control. What used to be the GOP is now a subset of the house. Google "Freedom Caucus." They're the only one's left (40 of them) who believe in things like the constitution, the rule of law, separation of powers, and the people speaking through their representatives and being heard.

WK, Es, I see you didn't bother to read my post and are now sinking to the level of our abusively biased and corrupt media by claiming I said something I didn't say.

If you two are so concerned, why don't you come on over and vote for hillary. She'll let you under the latest definition (it's always evolving) of the voting rights act.

Just one point for now, Kathy Shelton

Politico - Trump is wrong: Hillary Clinton did not laugh about the rape of a 12-year-old

Kathy Shelton also claimed to have been subjected to a Psychiatric Examination, but if you go and look at the Criminal docket for Taylor's case you will find the Judge denied the request by Clinton.

I probably won't look further into your post, but will sgest you go and have a look for other views rather than those of Trump and his Breitbart pals.

Most Lame and Tame 'Sexual' Banter I've Ever Heard between Two 'Studs'. No Violence or Harm intimated. Totally Nothing. Only Two 'Boys' Wasting a few minutes before their Tasks.

The REAL Abuse, Harm, and Violence, is In The Uproar CREATED for Agenda Purposes by Progressives; Liberals, COMMIES, Socialists, Democrats, and FemNazis. Their SHOWCASING this Harmless Exchange is A Force Multiplier for Any Tender Hearts and Minds who are Thrown Up Against It by Their 'Well Intentioned' 'Protecters'.

Lame and Tame Yap. NOT.

This goes more to the heart and character of Hiliary and her perverted concept of Justice...

So you are upset a lawyer actually did their sworn job? You should be celebrating that there is an honest lawyer left in America!

That or you have no concept of the law. Hope you get the cop is judge-jury-executioner treatment you desire for others.

edit: obstruction of justice and perjury.

He lost his law license and was fined $150K. Hillary is a proven misogynist. Especially against those who threatened to expose (pun intended) bill. Not to mention the contributors to her clinton crime family foundation for money laundering from countries who openly oppress women.

You should hate this woman. She has a public position (the one you hear) and a private position (the one you don't hear) about women's rights.

Trump did not *do* anything. He only talked about it. Locker room banter. And he did it when he was a democrat. So it should be ok. Do you still want to discuss "double standard?"

Edit2:

Wait a minute...

Why do you care so much about what happens in U.S. politics when you're flying the Canadian flag?

If you have a problem, you should be complaining to Trudeau and tell him to build a wall on your southern border and make the U.S. pay for it.

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You could tell he was holding back in the first few minutes of the debate. As soon as he was attacked, he counter-punched. Don't attack him and he won't counter-punch. Haven't you tax and spend liberals learned this?

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Why do you deny what bill did and why do you deny hillary's actions to support what he did to (to name a few) Broaddrick, Willey and Jones?

Es99...

An Enabler of The Accused. Is not part of the Original Crime?

She is accused, by one of the Alleged Victims, to have Threatened her. Which is a Criminal Act.

As with the decades long Multiple Bill Cosby accusers, and now, decades long Multiple Bill Clinton accusers:

Why treat them differently than other multiple women making similar accusations against Cosby, or any other man?

Here is an article about Juanita Broaddrick
Do I think Bill raped her? I don't know. Is there any evidence that Hilary threatened her beyond the interview to the right wing propaganda media outlet Brietbart, not that I've seen and because of their agenda it does make me suspicious of the validity of the allegations against Hilary. It is very possible that the Trump campaign is using a vulnerable woman to further their agenda.

"Venerable women"? Lying women? Cosby women? Clinton's women?

Es99...

These women are being attacked for Political Reasons, by Hillary Supporters.

Question: Why do Hillary Supporter's continually attack Trump Supporters?

Answer: Because they are really what they attack.

BTW: The above description of Hillary Supporter's is allowed. Because all the attacks against Trump Supporters are allowed.

Correct?

... To claim there is a dangerous pandering.

Es99...

True to form. Welcome back. I missed you.

Binary flip flop. Too bad there isn't a way to extract useful work for the posts.

And yes the applause was for Trump. His wool has been pulled down very well on Americans educated in public schools.

Es99...

An Enabler of The Accused. Is not part of the Original Crime?

She is accused, by one of the Alleged Victims, to have Threatened her. Which is a Criminal Act.

As with the decades long Multiple Bill Cosby accusers, and now, decades long Multiple Bill Clinton accusers:

Why treat them differently than other multiple women making similar accusations against Cosby, or any other man?

Pretty certain you don't understand why the audience aplauded on both of those occasions.

But your "understanding" seems to be hugely influenced by your extreme hatred and bias.

Rabid Trump supporters are equally as blind as the rabid Clinton supporters.

I'm very happy to be niether.
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Hint: The applause was for Trump.

Are you for real?

Es99...

That is also believed by many, regarding your assertions and assumptions.

Just a difference of opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

It was more his efforts to explain to me the obvious rather than accept that I might not agree.

Calling me a rabid Clinton supporter is pretty hilarious. However, for an American politician she's the best you've got and she'll probably do a very competent job. It would be far better and far more useful if people founded their criticism of her on reality. At this point though you just have to work with what you have. So this 'rabid' supporter says she's not that bad and is the sane choice.

As this election has gone on my support for her has increased if only because I empathise with the tsunami of sexism she has put up with with amazing grace and dignity. I know I would have snapped by now if I were in her shoes.

Es99...

Just your opinion.

No more valid than those who attack Trump Supporter's.

Both are the same. Just two peas in the same pod.

betreger...

Do most rape victims lie?

Clyde in my personal experience many years ago I was hired as a new manager. With in a week 2 women who were key players accused me of sexual harassment. That was totally unfounded and with in a few months we had a good working relationship. My experience is that many women will use alleged sexual assault as a tool.

Sexual harassment is not the same as sexual assault and may have included a variety of subconscious behaviours you weren't aware you were exhibiting or that were misinterpreted. Doesn't mean they were lying. However, if they were paid to do do, that might be another matter.

Who paid for Bill Clinton's accusers to travel to the debate?

Es99...

Your accusations against these women is (fill-in the negatives).

Very disappointing.

Yes, I am for real.

I look at real situations. Listen carefully to what people say and use reason to formulate my opinions rather than your method using extreme bias and fanatic emotions.

Pretty certain you don't understand why the audience aplauded on both of those occasions.

But your "understanding" seems to be hugely influenced by your extreme hatred and bias.

Rabid Trump supporters are equally as blind as the rabid Clinton supporters.

I'm very happy to be niether.
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Hint: The applause was for Trump.

Are you for real?

Es99...

That is also believed by many, regarding your assertions and assumptions.

Just a difference of opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's another one of those things Trump said that has been proven time and time again to be a lie. It's not funny, it's scary that he is using Nazi propaganda tools by repeating something known to be an absolute lie again and again until people believe it.

Es99...

Applies to both...

However... Your Post may be a bit of sarcasm. Since it applies to Most Politicians, in all Countries.

Are Most Politicians as NAZI's, regarding 'The Truth'?

Yep.

Pretty certain you don't understand why the audience aplauded on both of those occasions.

But your "understanding" seems to be hugely influenced by your extreme hatred and bias.

Rabid Trump supporters are equally as blind as the rabid Clinton supporters.

I'm very happy to be niether.
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Hint: The applause was for Trump.

The flies which kept landing on hillary told me everything I need to know about where she's coming from. Flies don't lie.

I think Trump gained some voters last night. He FINALLY confronted hillary on many of her indiscretions. The people who decided to vote for Trump after last night's debate just don't want to admit it publicly because many of them are surrounded by tax and spend liberals.

Best line so far....


Trump mentions Clinton's email stuff answering a question...

Clinton (response): " ... we don't want HIM in charge of law enforcement in this country!"

Trump (brief quip): "Yeah... YOU would be in jail!"

Audience applauds.


LOL.

Second best line:

Clinton: (paraphrase) You are a racist, Trump! You said that Obama was not born in this country! You owe him an apology!

Trump: No, Hillary. YOU owe him the apology! (paraphrase) It was YOUR campaign that came up with that one during your 2008 campaign against him!

Audience applauds and snickers...


LOL.



I have said it here before, and will say it again. Political theater at its finest!

betreger...

Do most rape victims lie?

Clyde in my personal experience many years ago I was hired as a new manager. With in a week 2 women who were key players accused me of sexual harassment. That was totally unfounded and with in a few months we had a good working relationship. My experience is that many women will use alleged sexual assault as a tool.

Back to Subject:

I and my wife, thought Hillary had a better night.

Will it matter?

Hillary has been practicing her delivery and memorization of political speeches for over 40 years. It shows. She has lost actual sincerity.
Not really a good thing because the half-truths and pandering phrases become obvious to all those except her worshipers.

Trump has a terrible habit, this terrible habit you know, of repeating phrases within a sentence, repeating the very same phrases within a sentence.
I don't know if he does it for emphasis, you know like to emphasize what he is talking about when he emphasizes what he is talking about.
Or if he is just trying to form thoughts on the fly, like trying to form his thoughts on the fly, you know.

But both of them are maddening to listen to.

I know what right wing libertarians are very well thank you for your concern. I'm not a fan. Not a fan at all.

Libertarians in the USA don't have right or left wings.

Before he was Trump's running mate, Mike Pence led the anti-LGBT backlash

Mike Pence is a piece of work. Certainly not an alternative you want. If, Trump becomes president, be aware that this low-life will be running things behind the scenes while Trump swans around in his jet grabbing women by the p*ssy.

I think you must have misunderstood the intent of the open letter.
It was NOT an offer to support Mike Pence. It was a note to let him know there was still an honerable way out of all this.
Mike Pence is a far-right AUTHORITARIAN, which is really opposite of Libertarian.

We ask his support to defeat Hillary in the Electoral College vote which could decide the election. Right now neither of the Big2 have the 270 electoral votes to win.
Clinton is NO libertarian either. She IS however, a left wing AUTHORITARIAN.
And that is also opposite of Libertarian.

Or, most likely, perhaps you don't know what the libertarian principals are.
As such you are forgiven.

This is not locker room talk, this is an admission of a nasty crime.

Unlike Bill Clinton. Where many victims have gone public. Including a Rape Allegation against Bill Clinton. Who are Trump's victims?

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Sexual assault is a crime. Its also horribly common.

Yes, it is, isn't it? Especially by people in power. It's one thing to talk about it. It's on a whole new level to actually ACT on it. This needs to stop immediately!

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/09/breitbart-news-exclusive-video-interview-bill-clinton-accuser-juanita-broaddrick-breaks-describing-brutal-rapes/

Erasing history is a basic necessity in the fundamental transformation of this country into another failed communist nation. Besides, it'll be confusing to the school children if their town centers don't match their latest history school books.

Two Benghazi Parents Sue Hillary Clinton for Wrongful Death, Defamation

The parents of two Americans killed in the 2012 terrorist attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities in Benghazi, Libya, filed a wrongful death lawsuit in federal court Monday against Hillary Clinton.

In the suit, Patricia Smith and Charles Woods, the parents of Sean Smith and Tyrone Woods, claim that Clinton's use of a private e-mail server contributed to the attacks. They also accuse her of defaming them in public statements.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/two-benghazi-parents-sue-hillary-clinton-wrongful-death-defamation-n625861

No fan of Hillary.

I reiterate:

My "issues" with Hilary reside in my fears that she might end up a "hawkish" president and that she might be a president who is more of a fiscal conservative than I would want her to be.

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This.

Jill Stein, on the other hand, appears to be non-hawkish and not a pro-corporatist neo-liberal. None of that has anything to do with gender. On the other hand, Jill is, to my knowledge, still not on the ballot in all 50 states. Furthermore, info is coming out about her views on vaccination and "wi-fi radiation" that could be non-evidence based and detrimental to gaining support. None of this has anything to do with gender.

As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to leadership, gender plays no part. What's so hard to understand with that?

I always wonder about people who accuse 'Groups' (Blacks, Jews, Whites, Women, Men, Gays, et al) of (Fill-in the negatives).

Just wish they would stop projecting their own problems on everyone else.

Right, because there's no such thing as sexism or racism or ..., thus nobody can be on the receiving end of discrimination, and anybody who says otherwise is guilty of projection.

Life must be nice in the CLYDE universe.

& yours it seems! For those with any semblance of common sense between their ears knows that sexism, racism & discrimination occurs.

So we are now at the stage where even a question becomes sexist if that question involves a female?

Or better yet, leaving aside gender, the question should be: - Is she trustworthy enough to lead?

This is why seti makes me sad.
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*goes away to bang head against a brick wall*

Perhaps you should report these ____ to someone who can track their internet rants and correlate them with their web browsing history just to be sure none of them are becoming excessively radicalized?

As to fitness, Trump negative numbers, worse than Nixon. Hillary isn't perfect (she is a politician after all) but won't start WWIII because of a perceived slight. That being said I'd still rather see Gary Johnson elected.

So as a person she would do at least as good as any of the last several persons to occupy the office. Policy is another matter. Elect Gary Johnson!

The real question is: If she were the leader would privileged white males follow?

Or better yet, leaving aside gender, the question should be: - Is she trustworthy enough to lead?

For a better world, vote either Johnson (L) or Stein (G)... PLEASE!!! Kick the (D)'s and (R)'s out!

Um.. not Stein. I cannot in good conscience vote for someone who is anti-science. I wouldn't have voted for Cruz for the same reason.

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Sort of a "If WE can't get it... Neither can YOU".

And 4 years of 'not bloody much happening' in Washington D.C. would be a GOOD thing in my opinion.

So as Secretary of State, did she address the Ambassador's concerns?

Request for funding was denied by republicans.

My "issues" with Hilary reside in my fears that she might end up a "hawkish" president and that she might be a president who is more of a fiscal conservative than I would want her to be.

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This.

Jill Stein, on the other hand, appears to be non-hawkish and not a pro-corporatist neo-liberal. None of that has anything to do with gender. On the other hand, Jill is, to my knowledge, still not on the ballot in all 50 states. Furthermore, info is coming out about her views on vaccination and "wi-fi radiation" that could be non-evidence based and detrimental to gaining support. None of this has anything to do with gender.

Rape is an insidious crime & should be dealt with severely. Saying that, ANY female making allegations which are proved to be false should also be dealt with SEVERELY!

Can't happen. We have been told time and time again that all allegations of rape are true. Just like we have been told time and time again that all allegations of molestation are true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

And you also have to ask why personnel sent information to or through her private server, if they were known to be insecure. It is the senders responsibility to ensure classified info is sent via secure means to a secure destination, if they cannot ensure that then the info should never have been sent.

The reason why no prosecution was possible. Too many mid and upper level staff would have been implicated for following orders. The BOSS may also have escaped the "mandatory" security briefing on the handling of information. Also the receipt of the information over a known insecure channel could be taken as evidence that the information was not classified at the time, as classified information could not be knowing transmitted via insecure channels. Mens rae. Can't convince a jury after a good lawyer gets through with the loopholes.

You can be sure it won't happen again. a/k/a a lesson from the school of hard knocks.

Always excuses for Left Wing Total Economic Failures, Destruction of Individual Liberties, etc.

Just as The Left excused Mass Murdering Stalin, Mao, Castro brothers, et al.

If The Left were Ethical and Moral. We should see their mass apologizes, to the over 1 Billion People Murdered and Enslaved by those The Left excused in the last 100 years.

Where are the apologizes?

I will not hold my breath.

Nor will I hold my breath for an apology for the current enslavement, murder and destruction of the environment caused by capitalism.

Es99...

As an Anti-Capitalist. I do not, as with The Left, expect an apology.

Es99...

Am I correct in assuming that you hold The Left and The Capitalists, in the same disgust?

Es99...

Your beliefs regarding an individual, because of their gender (me). Is very disturbing.

If anyone said you are not supporting a man, because of his gender. What would you believe about that person?

As I said. Your responses are very disturbing.

Always excuses for Left Wing Total Economic Failures, Destruction of Individual Liberties, etc.

Just as The Left excused Mass Murdering Stalin, Mao, Castro brothers, et al.

If The Left were Ethical and Moral. We should see their mass apologizes, to the over 1 Billion People Murdered and Enslaved by those The Left excused in the last 100 years.

Where are the apologizes?

I will not hold my breath.

Tell me honestly. What has Hillary done that makes you want to vomit?

Es99...

She is a Total Fraud. As most politicians are.

In what way is she a fraud? What has she done?

Hillary, because of her gender, is no better.

What do you mean? How does her gender effect your judgement of her?

I'll answer the second. because my first answer as already been settled, after a very long investigation.

Gender...

Es99... You posted,

I really do wonder if this is another case of a women having to be better than the best to even be considered.

I just responded to your statement.

Es99...

Do you believe there is sexism regarding my despising This Politician?

Are you judging me negatively. Because I hold Women to the same standard as Men?

True Socialism, not 'Safety Nets' for the needy. Will always devolve into nothing more than Crony Capitalism, under a different name

Clyde are you describing Sweden?

betreger...

Socialism: The State (Controller's) taking over the Means of Production.

Venezuela is a recent example of what True Socialism must devolve to: Crony Capitalism.

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Tell me honestly. What has Hillary done that makes you want to vomit?

Es99...

She is a Total Fraud. As most politicians are.

Hillary, because of her gender, is no better.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691301/Is-balding-French-president-Francois-Hollande-s-99k-year-barber-s-bill-tax-ruse-Disgraced-aide-contract.html

But now there are fears fraudsters may have set up a bogus contract to rake in hundreds of thousands of pounds.

French hypocrisy at it's greatest refinement.......

No just ordinary fraud, like a candidate refusing to pay workers and violating copyrights.

Just a Capitalist (I'm for me) being a Capitalist.

Just a Socialist (Lying about what he/she is) being a Socialist.

Which one is more corrupt?

Can't tell if you are serious or not...

Es99...

socialism kills is very serious.

As with Dangerous Donald. Many attacks against Hillary are valid. Some are not.

Hillary is an extremely flawed candidate. With repeated failures, and a history of 'Gaming the System' for her personal economic gain.

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You all are hallucinating.

Hillary is an unconvicted felon. The current administration is full of felons who support their fellow felons. Democrats don't believe in the rule of law. If she makes it to the white house, not only will she be the first women to be placed there, she will also be the first felon in the white house. She's going to continue what the current administration is doing: refuse to acknowledge islamic terrorism, argue about the right for men to pee in women's bathrooms, continue calling the destruction of human life/marketing of human body parts for sale as "women's right to health care," continue trying to take away the right for Americans to defend themselves, continue legalizing marijuana state by state to get more people drugged up, continue calling "checking ID cards" before voting "racial discrimination" so as many illegals can vote as many times as possible, and continue on down the path towards a currency reset.

The party of slavery is about to take control again and you all support it.

Clint Eastwood has some words of advise for the new generation. http://www.thewrap.com/clint-eastwood-donald-trump-racism/

on the Amtrak back from PA, met a reporter. Said she was a Democrat that will vote for Trump. Why? Because nothing has really changed for the common person in 8 years and we just need some sort of change.

Fair enough but if you're on the electoral role you should of recieved your postal vote a 2/3 of weeks ago . I did , filled it in and posted it back , maybe your not on the electoral role now

Personal choice is not defined as a need.

Need is a personal choice. You chose to need gravity, air, water, food, shelter. You choose to need TP. You choose to need a sewer system. You choose to need a mate. You choose to need a smartphone. You choose to need a better life. The boogeyman needs you as a victim.

You "need" something because you personally choose to place it on the "need" list.

Well my postal ballot never arrived. I wonder if this sort of thing is deliberate to prevent us from voting.

I 4t you had posted you were a Canadian Citizen now , why would you get a vote about Britain when you're not a British Citizen ?

No, I meant outright bitches. I've worked with some great female managers & company owners.

Don't deny there are none out there when you know there are. If you haven't come across any, then you're lucky.

Walking the walk? I believe, on one of Lyn's threads my views on rape were made & why.

Stuff my ego, it has no relevance to the discussion. What I will say is that there is 3 professions that all countries need: -

Military
Police
Teaching

1 for safeguarding the country
1 for safeguarding the community
1 for educating the future.

To see all 3 lapse their professional pride because of a "boys club" mentality...

...women are also in those professions & some are outright bitches, so maybe both males & females need to stand together & be counted rather than segregate the sexes in debates of this kind.

The truth hurts doesn't it? Rape is a hateful crime & should be treated as such.

However, as seen in Gary's link, it's not treated that way - 6 months for rape

WELL DONE AMERICA.

Is that the best you can do?

If you ever decide to top up your pension, there is an excellent job out there for you.

Call centre telephonist - their scripts would be like water off a duck's back.

Sorry Sirius B...

This is not your usual 'Joke of the Day'.

This is an important and intelligent disagreement, between Es99 and myself. As we have had in the past.

Despite our many disagreements. Unlike you. I find Es99 intelligent, And her Posts intellectually stimulating. I hope she feels the same about me.

Es99...

Hopefully Sirius B can stop his continuous attempts to divert an Important Discussion/Disagreement.

Another 1. :-(

Strictly speaking, he was not a 'police officer', but instead he worked for the 'Federal Protective Service' under the US Federal Government's 'Department of Homeland Security'. His job was protecting US Federal Facilities.

https://www.dhs.gov/topic/federal-protective-service

Also, technically, he wasn't even that at the time of the shootings. He wife, one of the victims of the shootings, had obtained a protective order against him, and he had to surrender his badge and gun because of it.

This is NOT a case of official misconduct on the part of a law enforcement person. Just a case of, allegedly, a 'domestic' that went horribly wrong. That sort of schizz happens rather frequently, sadly. The alleged shooter reportedly was quoted as wanting to do a 'suicide-by-cop', but apparently chickened out. I mean really... hanging out in a donut shop?!?!? The cops are certain to see you there...

A question I've been puzzling lately is why the Entertainment Effete, who refer to Trump as racist, say if he's elected they will move to Canada.....Why don't they say Mexico?.........racist?

Canada offers film production tax credits .....

Megyn Kelly has a theory for why Donald Trump hates her so much - and it makes a lot of sense

This is fairly insightful as to the type of person that Trump is.

Yes, I think Trump is a narcissistic control freak. But, I guess many people are... He just doesn't do a good job hiding it.

Never fight, or argue, with the cop.

Wish the parents and Community 'Leaders' of today, would understand this truism.

Be enslaved by the commies

Another Garyism...

You're sinking faster and faster.

BTW: Where exactly is your 'bottom'.

It's deeper than most I have met.

On a more serious level.

Gary SLDM (Some Lives don't Matter) -

Are you advocating striking a Police Officer, whom you believe (either correctly or incorrectly) is violating your Rights?

Or should you (if you are correct). Sue, and make a lot of money?

If you state you believe in violence against Police: Then I will rename you:

Gary EMLDM (Even More Lives Don't Matter).

But it was a clear statement- and we can't have that....

Yes, it's at best an unpopular opinion, but at least you don't have to o wonder how The Donald feels sometimes.

We do know how Drumpf feels about that. Perhaps why his PAC is highlighting a story that Hillary has had more than one abortion. If he can't convict her for e-mail he'll convict her for abortion.

Drumpf, my way or I sue/jail you!

You sound like that Clyde. You sound just like that.

Well, he has claimed to be a former police officer.

If a medicine will result in bruising if you just touch her. That's criminal?

You will have to ask the legislature that wrote the law that says any contact no matter how slight is assault. Now if you want to argue leniency in sentencing ....

Nor anyone's natural reaction to a Force, which would cause any bruising.

Obviously you aren't a doctor because you don't know the level of force required to generate bruises. Hint, might be she be on some medicine?

Gary...

Sorry you have no life experiences with any injuries.

Hopefully that continues.

If a medicine will result in bruising if you just touch her. That's criminal?

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He is, in my estimation, the greatest hope this country has ever had of renewing it's former glory.

So in your eyes the former glory of the United States was being a hegemonic bully? Strange that someone would rate being anti-social as a trait to be admired and looked up to. Then again perhaps is it the narcissism in action.

@es, yes Drumpf is a troll. A real one with all the psychological symptoms. It wouldn't surprise me if he would test so far from normal on a MMPI that it would make him subject to the 25th Amendment process.

Cruz is another Abrahamist, those persons who are wiling to kill and be killed over fairy tales. We see their carnage in the mid east. I for one do not want the reign of destruction that any of their ilk would being upon America.

Thankfully there is another choice. http://www.lp.ogr

Except that the libertarian philosophy was founded by someone who thinks that psychopaths are the ideal. Certainly not an alternative I could recommend.

Libertarian philosophy has a longer history than objectivism.

He is, in my estimation, the greatest hope this country has ever had of renewing it's former glory.

So in your eyes the former glory of the United States was being a hegemonic bully? Strange that someone would rate being anti-social as a trait to be admired and looked up to. Then again perhaps is it the narcissism in action.

@es, yes Drumpf is a troll. A real one with all the psychological symptoms. It wouldn't surprise me if he would test so far from normal on a MMPI that it would make him subject to the 25th Amendment process.

Cruz is another Abrahamist, those persons who are wiling to kill and be killed over fairy tales. We see their carnage in the mid east. I for one do not want the reign of destruction that any of their ilk would being upon America.

Thankfully there is another choice. http://www.lp.ogr

I don't believe I was attributing to him being a narcissist, psychopath, and sadist. However there is fascinating research being done that can predict who is a troll. However one thing stood out

But one thing in particular helped these odious Internet users stand out from their mild-mannered counterparts. “They receive more replies than average users,” says the paper, “suggesting that they might be successful in luring others into fruitless, time-consuming discussions.”

Which leads to the oft quoted advice to others to place the sadists on ignore and not engage them at all, even civilly. There is nothing so frustrating to them as to not be able to obtain their sexual glee by seeing the hurt they cause others.

It would not surprise me to have a study point out that terrorists got their start as internet trolls, considering how much enjoyment they obtain from hurting others.

I do understand your unwillingness to answer. Never expected you would.

Oh the irony. You were asked to provide details in support of your accusation that "Hillary says Men, Whites, Christians, are...". To date there's been none, and now you accuse Es of being unwilling to answer.

Despite all your misdirection, your motives are transparent, as Gary notes, you display the characteristics of a "wretched fearsome creature that lives under bridges and demands tolls to pass".

Why do men need tolerance? They don't.

Or putting your belief's another way "I'd say he displayed an incredible tolerance for Women."

That is sexist regarding Women.

You would be accusing the poster (correctly) of sexism.

BTW: Anyone who believes (excepting for her husband) that any male individual, must be considered guilty, until proven innocent, regarding any allegation. Is a Bigot, Sexist, and a Traitor to the Foundations of Western Civilization.

The Clinton operatives, along with Hillary Clinton attacks, and vile sexism against women "Drag a hundred dollar bill thru a trailer park"

Where is Hillary's outrage against her Operative Statements. Which include the vile sexist BIMBO! None!!!!

If any of her Opponents, or their Operatives did this to the Abused Women: What would you say?

Es99...

I treat all sexist bigots alike. Not caring about their Policy's.

Neither The Left, nor their cousins in Hate, The Right, do.

RE: How this applies to Trump:

The Left Wing Bigots, Racists, Sexists are fueling his campaign.

I do understand your belief.

But you are wrong.

It was very interesting, and I knew it would happen.

Noted The Left's refusal to accept their sexism and bigotry. It was confirmed.

Think of a man saying about women what Es99 said about men.

Es99... It is very telling you did not repeat what you said about men.

Just change Women for Men.

If it would be considered bigoted and sexist, against Women. It is also bigoted and sexist, against Men.

BTW: What Hillary does as a wife. Is understandable and irrelevant.

What Hillary accepted, and her attacks against the women accusers, as she is now running for President, is relevant. Correct?

Es99...

She, and her supporters. Were and still are, an Enabler of this Sexual Predator.

Bill is an individual.

Hillary and you, believe men are (fill in the negatives)???

That is an example of Gender Bigotry.

Need another example of Hillary and Left Wing Bigotry?

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Hillary says Men, Whites, Christians, are...

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Where does she say that?

In The Clyde's mind?

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Hillary says Men, Whites, Christians, are...

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Bobby i'll use your source to explain what I mean about misinformation and scare tactics .

if you read the last source you put up it says this .

Neonatal tetanus (NT) is a form of generalized tetanus
that occurs in newborn infants. Neonatal tetanus occurs in
infants born without protective passive immunity, because the mother is not immune. It usually occurs through
infection of the unhealed umbilical stump, particularly when
the stump is cut with an unsterile instrument. Neonatal
tetanus is common in some developing countries but very
rare in the United StatesWorld Health Organization

The facts

The scare gossip tactic

(WHO) estimates that in 2010, 58,000 newborns died from
NT, a 93% reduction from the situation in the late 1980s.

3rd world Country's

So I ask why are we still giving it to all newborns .

link for when it was added to vaccines about 1/2 way down you'll see

ops edit forgot the link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_schedule

Why would the mother have passed on passive immunity to tetanus infections, it wouldn't be because she'd been vaccinated would it? How long does passive immunity last in an infant? You should be asking these and many other questions before reaching a conclusion that vaccinations are unnecessary.

Don't ask me why infants are given the vaccination, ask your doctor. My research, and those of others here, strongly suggests you are wrong, not only in your beliefs about vaccinations, but also in your interpretation of the available data. You should talk it over with a medical expert whose opinion you value.

From (m.)Phys.org: Fundamentally Accurate Quantum Thermometer

Better thermometers might be possible as a result of a discovery at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), where physicists have found a way to calibrate temperature measurements by monitoring the tiny motions of a nanomechanical system that are governed by the often counterintuitive rules of quantum mechanics.

Es99...

Agree. But doesn't really matter.

As if saying: A person who commits less crimes than another. Is someone to admire, and should be in a position of responsibility.

There are enough Texans down here with guns that a Texas Governor that tried that dictator crap would need to have serious concerns about his personal safety.

The tyranny of the majority? You're clearly not a woman seeking a legal abortion.

However where your logic fails, where you and your family are protected presumably.

I could take your logic and apply to homelessness and people on welfare.

For according to you someone who refuses to work will incur expenses on the rest of the population.

You see when you remove personal responsibility by socializing decision through the state you create the problems you try to solve.

The problem is if someone is sick you apply medicine to solve it. You are trying to solve the problem that someone chooses to not take the medicine by scolding free choice.

We have laws in place to prevent transgression towards the citizen. If I had permission from the state to have you hand over your savings so I may spread it among the homeless and told you I would pay that back with future earnings of these new helped citizens.

Would you want some guarantee of that repayment? What if I said you can't come after me if it did not work b/c the state created a law that prevents that.

You see the problem here? Everyone has a choice and when you start taking that choice from others it has a tenancy of biting you back.

/dropMike/

RAC: 91, haven't reported a WU in over two months, no pending tasks, no longer any attached computers in the database--they'll let anybody post in here, won't they?

If it worries you that much I am sure the moderators can come up with a way to help you out.

I like Guy's posts they provide me with insight into dark places I normally don't go.

I suspect many in here are unaware of the downfall of the U.S.A. which A) they are unaware they are supporting and B) they are unaware of what means.

So lets all just go ahead and vote with our vaginas and get together for a big group hug, exchange wet, sloppy kisses and tell each other how we love each other as we descend down into a 3rd world banana republic and allow some other group to rise to power and take care of us, like ISIS... or China... or Russia...

[sic]

BTW: Marxists are included. Over 1 Billion murdered, enslaved, etc. over the past 100 years.

Progressives? Not a good foundation. Eliminatist Theory regarding Jews in the mid-nineteenth century. The NAZI's used the same excuses as these Progressives.

IE: Jews are Rats and Vermin - 'The Eternal Jew' NAZI Movie later on.

Margret Sanger's belief in birth control. In order to control the 'Inferior' Populations growth.

Hopefully the Progressive Beliefs have evolved into something civilized.

Gary...

Your hate-filled attacks against people who are Republicans (Most Republicans are not Racist, of course).

Show why the hate-filled Ideologues, KKK, Progressives, Marxists, Nazis, etc., should never be allowed to obtain power.

Well, we'll just have to see if you're right.

If hillary wins the white house you'll be able to come back in here and flaunt how smart you are. And since you're in Canada, you won't feel the full effect of our currency reset, but you'll continue to blame the republicans for devaluing the USD. You may or may not notice that there are no longer any U.S. made products being sold in Canada.

If Trump wins, everybody will forget about your prediction and you'll then start attacking the white house as if you've never been wrong in the past.

That's why progressive liberal socialist democrats keep us one generation (edit) away from losing our liberty.

Hitler was a national socialist liberal.

We ALL contribute to the climate of these forums when we post things that are unkind..

What some of us get in a PM could be called incitement to riot too. Heh heh :-) Next time I get addressed as Sambo there, I won't sink to the level it came from.

The quickest "fix" to making the tone of the Cafe more pleasant is for posters to make a concerted effort to be as kind as possible as often as possible.

Never a truer word spoken :-) Respect! +1

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The age of the Zodiac Killer would ne, at a fair minimum, 65 years. Cruz is around the age of you and I, Es...

Good to see you can take a joke Ess :)

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Vaccines do cause allergic reactions in many people and normally given 1 at a time the reaction is minor I question what happens when there are reactions to more than 1 vaccine and weather this is causeing the Autism .
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"WOMEN FOLK "give your man some quiet self time lest he say "F this I've had enough all she does is nag me , I'm outa here " hehehehehehehehe

Considering some of the comments on this thread, I'd say those ladies would be better off without them.

Just a reminder that plenty of women do post here, try to remember that before insulting us.

I was being sarcastic with my comment, i'll try to be more clear in future.

I believe.........
That if not for myself, some things would never have happened here.
I have contributed what I am able to have done, and much more, it seems.

You question is unfathomable to me at this time.
Just got the call from the wonderful folks at the kind cat friendly folks at the pharmacy. Kitty meds are on the way.

If there is anything I could help in any way with any others who have a fine companion on their last walk of life, please let me know.\



Anything else you should like to know?

"...a magnet for the worlds waifs and strays, and the intellectually challenged. "

"*You want to bang your extreme (usually left wing) political drum, go to Politics where you can do so anonymously."

"*If you're one can short of a six pack and your day centre has closed, go to Seti, they'll welcome you. "

Even the science threads have deteriorated, the one place where idiots and politics tended not to appear, "

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"WOMEN FOLK "give your man some quiet self time lest he say "F this I've had enough all she does is nag me , I'm outa here " hehehehehehehehe

I've had a few people suggest that show to me, but I never really cared for their lawyer in the show. I figured the character was just an example of how slimy people can find slimy lawyers to help them. The previews for the show itself didn't seem to interesting to me.

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I will attempt to be less nuanced and less sarcastic in the future.

If that will help you.

Breaking Bad was a great series. I watched the entire thing a couple years ago, right as the series itself was ending. While the show can be quite gratuitous at times, I think the directors and writers did a great job of showing how a good person can become quite grotesque and inhuman if we nurture our dark sides within.

I wouldn't mind watching the series again, but I'm currently caught up in watching House, M.D. episodes again.

Es99...

I was asking for a personal, not legal/medical opinion.

I know some who don't believe in a 'full term' pregnancy, from this Extreme Feminist Ideological Premise:

'Until a successful birth. There is no human being, at anytime, inside the women'.

I find their 'thinking' and beliefs. To be the same Secular Fanaticism as Religious Fanatics.

BTW: This is not an attack against Feminism. Just the extremists of all sides.

So in a few years those coming from the South won't be illegal, they will be US citizens wanting higher education etc

As is their Constitutional Right.

Es99...

Very thoughtful response. I do have a personal problem, regarding 8-9 months pregnancy.

You are correct regarding Abortion as part of the Political Process/Debate.

NOTE: Sorry for the delay (do I hear cheering?). Hit by a Tornado last Tuesday. No one hurt. Two other houses in my block destroyed.

Anyone who wishes to discuss the rights and wrongs of pet euthanasia can take it to the politics forum.

Why? Has someone complained? I mean, other than about "Mojo"?

This is really not a discussion for a politics forum, imho.

Perhaps the Abortion Posts should be moved to a New Thread.

Back to Trump?

Es99...

Is there a point in any pregnancy. Where two human beings exist?

6 months? 7 months? 8 months? 9 months? Never?

Just asking for your personal opinion. Not medical nor legal.

Edit: I am not asking to attack. Whatever you believe: I will just say OK, giving my opinion (may agree or disagree), and move on.

Don't concern yourself with attacks from (you know who), if he disagrees. Attacks from his type, don't really matter.

The99OneSaid:

Perhaps she and the doctor she trusts should be the decider.

Exactly as I Said. And 'It' 'Is' Legal. In The U S A.

Don't Think So?

Yep

No doctor would kill a viable baby

Perhaps he wasn't a doctor.

To answer Clyde, who insists on a number, sorry, no number. Viable or not is the answer. I'm not expert, I only know that one day after conception is not viable and one day before due date is viable. I don't think the cells read a calendar to make that decision, they use something else. I also know that when the constitution was adopted fathers could beat their children to death until they turned 21, just as they could their slaves. Life was simple then, something even a troglodyte could understand.

If the troglodytes are to have their litmus test abortion debate perhaps it should be moved to another thread. Trump won't be able to be found in this thread otherwise.

Trump wants women as slave chattel. After all who sits their mistress at the same table as your wife?

The obscene self-regard of the man was laid bare for us all.

The rest of the pack of tea jackals would rather own a slave than have a partner. After all when you got shoved ahead by privilege and not by ability you have to find ways to compensate for your short comings.

ClydeNotClydeSaid:

What is your belief concerning an abortion, of a 'full term' pregnancy, minutes before a natural birth?

The99OneSaid:

Isn't that just called a birth? They induce birth that way all the time. Or are you talking about a caesarian? Do you understand biology at all? Do you actually know what an abortion is? Or are you trying to be funny? I can't tell.

DaCharpSterSaid:

The scary thing is he might not be trying to be funny.

A Woman Can have an Abortion, 9 Months after Conception. All She Needs is A Cooperative Doctor. Do You Know How they 'Kill' this Life?
The LEFT has Pushed 'Abortion' to Allow This. Don't Think So? Hard to Find A 'Progressive' to State 'it' Publicly. A Secret Their Great Willingness for Their Agenda has Created.

Yupping to The Very End.

Yep.

What is your belief concerning an abortion, of a 'full term' pregnancy, minutes before a natural birth?

I just watched the Republican debate. It was scary and depressing. What awful people and why do they hate women so much?

Watched with my wife, and we groaned a lot.

However... We didn't see any Anti-Gender bias.

Es99...

Your incorrect assertion (as others from The Left), is what is 'fueling' Trump.

I guess you didn't hear the comments about life beginning at conception..which makes me feel about the same way you do when someone threatens to kick you in the nuts.

I know the history of abortion bans. The consequences for women of such ignorance are awful.

..and yes, women will vote for these people, and then they will realise too late what they have done. Women are just as capable of making stupid decisions as men. However it seems that when a women makes a stupid decision, her entire gender is judged on it, unlike men.

Es99...

Yes I did, and totally disagree.

However... Did not believe that was from a HATE Women position.

This, and other incorrect '...ism' assertions. Is the real reason for a Trump type. They feed upon them.

Just my opinion.

I can confirm that ES99 is correct when she says that Counselling made a world of difference for her son. I knew her for some years in the UK before she went to Canada and was around when it all started. Her son was lucky in that he had a mother and grandmother of above average intelligence, who were not only supportive but could see what needed to be done. And yes there were times when it was hard and the future looked bleak to say the least. It was a combination of strong family support and professional counselling that turned the corner into the result, we hear about today.
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Some of what you people describe as PTSD sounds actually like Bipolar Disorder (Manic Depression) which is completely different than PTSD. Bipolar Disorder is inherent in you and would affect you growing up. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, PTSD, is a reaction to overwhelming trauma thrust upon you. Kids certainly can experience overwhelming trauma and have PTSD, such as being molested or having their family all die or whatever, but the trauma usually happens later so people don't usually grow up with it. The behaviors of both are much different. I hope you are not mixing up the two.
As an extra tidbit of info, did you know that people who were molested as children, and children of alcoholics both act the same way?

Well its going to be interesting watching the republicans try to stop Obama appointing someone else.

Obama would do best to appoint a dead middle of the road man who does not have much baggage. Then when the tea tries to block it, they will end up looking like fools.

I just watched the Republican debate. It was scary and depressing. What awful people and why do they hate women so much?

Watched with my wife, and we groaned a lot.

However... We didn't see any Anti-Gender bias.

Es99...

Your incorrect assertion (as others from The Left), is what is 'fueling' Trump.

Without the colonial period of history things would be quite different today and I doubt that it would be for the better. It's not right now but in the context of it's time it was inevitable.

The teaser....

In spite of my psychology education and degree, I have never sought professional help for dealing with my mother's illness, and part of this has to do with my shyness and my basic knowledge of therapy.

On the other hand, I have become estranged from a few friends because they don't understand what I am going through or my method of coping.

I would make a suggestion to you, but it would not be polite, so I'll defer.

Reload..........fisssssssssssssssssssssss
You have NOT been banished..

So...I get another try, eh?
OK, here we go........
What does a bananna say to the monkey?

I dunno, you suck on it for a while and let's talk later...............

'Hundreds' of masked men beat refugee children in Stockholm

Anyone else see where this is going?

Or
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R.I.P grew up with Sir Terry on the radio all my life and Graham Norton aint got nothing on you when it comes to Eurovision . You will be missed

However, I do believe that most Americans are actually liberal in nature and want to do their bit to help others less fortunate than themselves.

Which is strange as churches are charity but they have overrun the republicans and suddenly they are anti-charity.

no, that's a short ton, a real ton is 2240lb....

From what I understand, most of the US electorate is actually left wing, so I don't believe that. I suspect its a vocal minority.

I wouldn't call them left wing, centrist would be a much better description. They aren't for a left wing position of say a Mao style Cultural Revolution were true left style government is imposed and private property rights do not exist.

However, with the way your electoral boundaries are gerrymandered, who knows what will happen.

For president that would be the electoral college. Tiny right wingnut states that should have half a vote get three and big center states have their rights diluted.

I've never quite trusted the idea of storing my stuff in a cloud, and for the same reason, I still use VHS tapes and recordable DVD's for my tv time-shifting.

That sounds like hard work! :)

I love my PVR.

I like my DVR. Then if I want to make a recording more tangible. I can make a copy of it on my computers hard drive. Then if necessary, I can edit out commercials.

Es99...

#1 - MajorKong is partially correct. Trump is a Populist.

#2 - Yes... He does believe what he says.

Trump, as I have Posted. Is saying what probably most electorate, are saying and believing. In the privacy of their homes.

The American Electorate is rightfully scared regarding the Orwellian Left Wing Speech Police. The attacks against the Free Exercise of their Religion. International Capitalists, along and Left Wing Ideologues (Unlimited Immigration), destroying their jobs and futures.

But, and a BIG But...

The American Electorate is picking-and-choosing which Trump 'Solutions' they agree with. And dismissing the others as mere hyperbole.

That is the danger. They don't understand he means to implement all.

I've never quite trusted the idea of storing my stuff in a cloud, and for the same reason, I still use VHS tapes and recordable DVD's for my tv time-shifting.

Sarge that maybe true but the facts demonstrate Trump is amoral and cares not of the consequences of his behavior as long as he profits. Trump does not know what it means to take the the high road. If that is what Mark wants I feel pity for him, if that what the country wants I feel pity for the country. I personally think we can be much better than that.

And this is different from ANY other politician ANYWHERE?

That said, Trump is a populist. Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!

Nerd <> Geek. Geek carries social outcast overtones. And they aren't nerds, they are wanna's.

Perhaps you don't know me. While I didn't hang with every kid, I sure knew a lot, more than the average kid.

Perhaps Chem is required where you teach, it was elective where I went.

Of course I did go before teacher unions got control and did their social promotion don't hurt the kid's feeling crap.

I also think you give very short shift to kids because you fail to see them when they actually want to accomplish something unrelated to school work.

With courses designed to a bell curve that includes the social promotion group, the rest get so bored - head down on their smart phone - they can't learn anything. After all the Union won't allow an "F" as the school board might use that to make compensation decisions. But that is a different thread.

Hollywood is not knowing about guns.

If they aren't looking to hurt others, then they aren't looking for methods to do so, nor are they likely to do so.

Then have your paper say Mommy and Daddy lock your gun up from your kid. That paper will protect you from a bullet with exactly as much protection as any other paper no matter what the words are written upon it.

Maybe guns / gun safety should be a mandatory class? They are going to encounter them at some point, they should have some basic understanding and not Hollywood fictional special effects as their grounding.

What isn't normal is Hollywood movies that glorify violence and video games where killing is a requirement and the more gore the higher the points total. Swimming in a sea of that is a mental illness.

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ALL/some ask yourself, is it the popular kid or the bullied science geek who is likely to explode in rage?

Snort. Chemistry class either starts with bombs or brewing and the other is the next subject. Now I understand that isn't what the chem teacher uses as examples, but it is the reaction type being taught.

Simply not true. The theory and the actual application is a different.

I feel very sorry for your pupils. When they are finished with your class all they have accomplished is to regurgitate what has been shoved in by rote memorization. No wonder you have such a low view of the average high school student.

I'm assuming you do spend some time teaching how to use lab equipment and measure out chemicals.

They teach that in home economics.

You are aware of that aren't you? That is the test method. Or are you convinced that your students aren't smart enough to test before they make a production device?

Ah, suddenly it has to be ALL students, not just some. ALL students don't shoot up schools even if they have a gun.

Money, sex, drugs and wanting to be in the clique/gang make for strange bedfellows. And wasn’t just a line above ALL students?

Let's see if I remember all the devices my classmates made ... Molotov cocktails, napalm and thermite (just incendiary) ... gun powder and flash powder (those aren't high explosives but easy to make) ... gun cotton, fulminate of mercury, nitroglycerin and either TNT or a plastic (it's been a while). They weren't nuts and only made small batches and they had access to an open area to test the stuff and got a healthy respect for it. If they had been a bit Columbine ... but they weren't so you don't know the name of my school.

It is easy to make a pipe bomb. Powder, pipe, caps, ball bearings, buck shot or BB's. I think even your average high school student can assemble one that is rather deadly. Just a bit smaller version of what was used at the Boston Marathon.[quote]
Agree, but its not taught in high school science.

[quote]The hard part isn't making the explosive. That hard part is making a remote detonator so you aren't in the blast zone. Test devices are easy, a match lit fuse works. But remote electric (phone or timer) is a bit harder, or was until the instructions on the net.

Now as to the kids who are likely, well, if you take the guns away from the ones who would have used guns, do they turn instead to bombs?

Oh dear, America's issues working it's way further North.

Canadian school shooting

This is so heartbreaking. Its in an area of Canada where there are more guns because families have them for hunting. Not sure yet what the details of this case is, but as a teacher I am well aware that one day, an angry teenager may get access to a gun and I will be in the position of having to protect my students. I will probably end up dead and leave my sons without a mother.

We have to practice drills for an armed shooting in the school.

Guns should not be so easily available. I don't feel safe, and I don't think my children are safe.

This gun obsession has to stop.

Are you not being a little OTT on your reaction to gun ownership in communities like this. If one lives or has business outside a town in this area it could be carrying a gun is an essential requirement. The Government of Saskatchewan lists bears,cougars and wolves as problem wildlife. http://www.environment.gov.sk.ca/wildlife

Snort. Chemistry class either starts with bombs or brewing and the other is the next subject. Now I understand that isn't what the chem teacher uses as examples, but it is the reaction type being taught.

Well, quite a few in reality. Usually the bombers blow up lockers at night and not people in the day. Doesn't make national news. The shooters want to look in the eyes of their victims, the bombers are interested in vandalism.

Have you met the average high school student, let alone tried to teach them chemistry?

Perhaps that is most telling.

When I was in high school, several did build bombs, but not as destructive devices and this was before the Internet.

If not guns it will be knives, bombs or something else.

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Bombs aren't easy to get.

They teach it in high school Chemistry.

Maybe on US curriculum, but I've taught high school chemistry for over 10 years and bomb making has never come up. Besides, making a bomb would take effort. Angry teenagers and effort don't usually go hand in hand.

http://gizmodo.com/5831942/how-the-hell-did-a-17-year-old-get-the-materials-to-make-bombs
<ed>So your high school chem classes never discussed exothermic reactions?

If not guns it will be knives, bombs or something else.

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Bombs aren't easy to get.

They teach it in high school Chemistry.

Hi MajorKong...

The (Don't confuse me with the facts) Left. Believes that $60,000+ per year. For a family of 4, is poverty!!!!

Then, when posting their Fantasy Beliefs. The Left congratulates themselves for their Intelligence and Understanding.

If not guns it will be knives, bombs or something else.

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Oh dear, America's issues working it's way further North.

Canadian school shooting

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A little lesson, and some truth you must know.

Beware the knock on the door, for it may be ME.

Good morning everyone. :-)

According to this pic he posted from the boxes he kept, they are Lasko Digital Ceramic Heaters. Boxes
Depending upon which model he bought they are about 1.5 Kw with three settings. Most probably (1)1/2 kW, (2)1 kW, or (3)both together 1.5kW. In any case two at max = 3kW. But on a thermostat they will switch on and off, so it won't be 3kW continuous.

According to "Help the Aged" and "Age Concern" in the UK, 75F and above is too warm, 70F is ideal, 62F is too cold, 61F or less is dangerous for hypothermia. That leaflet that all households received in London is underwritten by British Gas and the Mayor of London. If Vic needs his home that hot then it only confirms what I thought earlier that either he is not eating properly or he has medical problems. But I doubt he will go to the Doctor, because he gets told what he doesn't want to hear. We can only advise him for his benefit Rob, nowt else we can do.

welfare make approximately $60,000 in free stuff annually

Frank where did you pull that from?

LOL! From government website data, right, Frank? Link us up! ;)

It seems Frank is going to keep it a secret where he got his unfounded assertion.

Well, Frank is not far wrong in his statement.

$60,000 / year is $5,000 / month.


Food (SNAP): $649/month (for a family of 4... more gets more)

Housing (Section 8): maximum of $2000/month. We are up to $2649/month.

TANF : $351/month (family of 4). up to $3000/month.

Health Care : A bit trickier to figure. The Federal benchmark premium is for the second-lowest premium on a ACA(Obamacare) Silver plan. The national average premium (in 2013) on that is $774/month before any tax credits or subsidies for the 'standard' family of 4. Now then Medicaid is better than a ACA Silver plan. There are ZERO out of pocket expenses on Medicaid. Totally free. So... let us just use the $744/month figure. We are now up to $3,774/month.

Now for another... Earned Income Credit on Federal income taxes. This is a refundable tax credit... roughly $7500/year or $625 / month. We are now up to $4,399 / month.

That is $52,788 / year. This is just the big 5 programs. There are loads of other Federal, State, and Local programs out there. Plus this is just for a family of 4. As I said before... More kids, more money.

Also, if you get SNAP, that (at least in Texas) means free school breakfasts and lunches for your school-age kids. $4/day... 20 days/month... $80/month per kid. 2 kids, that is another $160/month.

Free cell phones can easily net you another $200 / month. We are now up to $4,759 / month or $57,108 / year.

Add in transit (bus/train) subsidies for low income people. Are we there yet? Most likely.

The list goes on and on.

Frank is approximately correct in this. If he errs, it is on the low side.

Links? Spend a few minutes with Google. But the controversial one is likely going to be the health care one. I'll link that one.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/marketplace_premiums_ib_final.pdf

With this kind of drain on the public treasury (remember Taxpayer-Funded public treasury) it is little to no wonder that our economy is getting flushed... Again...

Flush me, J! (MiB II)

1) Why don't you show me someplace you can't go because of a toll road and

2) Try living *anywhere* outside the U.S. and then tell me you're staying because it's better.

Well no one in their right mind actually thinks Obama was actually left wing.

So center politics is bad, but wing politics is good. Insightful.

So interesting.....

Look at 2008 the end of Bush. Rich getting poorer and the poor getting richer.
Look at 2010, Bush TARP program mostly ends, Obamacare enacted.
Look at 2010 on, all Obama, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer.

Bless you, Angela and Eric, for befriending Spawnie and understanding his special needs as a wayward kitty.

As most of you understand, it's all about 'quality of life' when it comes to our elderly companion animals. Or those who are struggling with disease, as is the case with my Tigger kitty.

If I detect that Tigger is suffering in any way and there is no hope of a way back to health, I shall have to make that choice to send her on her way to the Rainbow Bridge to await my arrival at some point in the future.
So far, she is still a happy kitty battling a hard to fight disease.

As much as I hang on to the hope that I, the Lord, and kitty medicine can make her well again, if that becomes impossible I shall not make her linger on this earth just to sooth MY pain. Not even for one day.

It is a very hard choice to make, but one that we must face for our dear companion animals as their caretakers.

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If there is one control freak in Seti it is you!!!

"I cannot understand why I cannot convince you, I am right and you are wrong".

If going elsewhere means less idiots for me to have to deal with that would be very nice indeed. Bearing in mind that if they all went you would have nobody left to mod!

Ooooh more people to browbeat and bully into a corner!

Sorry Angela.

It's not our problem at all, it is Seti's problem!! People are walking away because of how things are, and doing what they want elsewhere.

Lemmium petition update:)
https://www.change.org/p/support-lemmy-tribute-name-newly-discovered-heavy-metal-lemmium/u/14903366?tk=7DLoWJBQnlNhSylMC4NvfQROP_ERxBEe3ayiUVR-PLY&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email
‘Don’t usually support campaigns but this one must surely be right’ – Professor Brian Cox.
Before his academic career, Cox was a keyboard player for the bands D:Ream and Dare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cox_(physicist)

Anyway.
Lemmy himself said in 2010:
"We were not heavy metal," he snaps. "We were a rock'n'roll band. Still are. Everyone always describes us as heavy metal even when I tell them otherwise. Why won't people listen?"

I guess we have to find something else to name the new heavy metals.

Hmmm. Ledzeppelinium:)

Thank you, please do.

Current husband is not so bad,

"current"? Oh, planning on a few more are we? Does the present incumbent know?

:-)))

Name new element 117 Octarine, in honour of Terry Pratchett's Discworld
I think we should all sign this!

But why element 117?
Octarine, also known as the Colour of Magic or the King Colour, was the eighth colour of the Discworld spectrum. It was visible only to wizards and cats.
I think element 118 should be called Octarine because it belongs to the noble gases.
For now it's this:
118 - Uuo - Ununoctium

Ian 'Lemmy' Kilmister, bassplayer in Motörhead, was a force of nature and the very essence of heavy metal:)
https://www.change.org/p/support-lemmy-tribute-name-newly-discovered-heavy-metal-lemmium
We believe it is fitting that the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry recommend that one of the four new discovered Heavy Metals in the Periodic table is named Lemmium.

Three Words: Lady Friend Now. 12-18 months ago? Ah, what A Lady can do.

What Ladies have Done For Me, is Cost Me Money.

Bills paid Early become Bills paid at or near due date, or after. Bills paid Way Above Minimum, become Bills paid at Minimum.Way Below Limits, become At Limit or Over. Money in Checking/Savings Dwindle towards ZERO. Little gifts and treasures for me, become Big Gifts and Treasures for Her. House Hunting, becomes House Forgot.

Big Vic's 'Expert' 'Money' Management' can be Severely Tested, when a Lady Friend is now Part of The 'Equation'.

Budget Figured to Last Possible centavo, become...

Yup becomes Yep becomes @/&!?$$$!3\&*