81) 留言板 : Number crunching : How I Would Fix the Credit System (消息 38411) 发表于：20 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: > Yes Cobblestones are not as simple as WU counting, but WU counting is broken > and cannot be fixed. Not quite true. The system knows what wu's are downloaded and to which host. It then knows which ones are returned and then which ones are valid and receive credit and which ones do not. To make it easier to understand the current credit system you might think of credits as payment for work done by the collective group of users that did each work unit. Some do not receive payment while others do. The Credits don't tell me anything useful about my computer system. At best it is an abstract payment for work SETI says it finds useful. If you look at your pay stub from work you get the following information: Hours Worked Overtime Hours Gross Pay Deductions Net Pay Gross Pay YTD Net Pay YTD To make the current credit system more user friendly addtional information would be helpful. Such as: Total WU Downloaded ( Broken down by Host also for each item ) Total Valid WU Total CPU Time Total Valid Time Total Claimed Credit Total Credit ( this and the abstract RAC is all we get ) Yes I could go through the result table now that it is turned back on and get some of this info but the system could do this much easier. I would be happy just to have this info on the account page even if it wasn't exported in the XML stats. The additional information I feel would make it easier to understand or at least accept the current Credit System.

82) 留言板 : Number crunching : Why "working on batteries" may not work for you! (消息 38371) 发表于：19 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: To: gregh "Project prefs: using separate prefs for home" even though I had just deleted them and it knew that. I ignored that line - it IS AN ERROR from BOINC obviously This is what you posted. You are wrong. It is not an error. It is normal. The BOINC message is normal. Not an ERROR. Project prefs are different from General prefs. See previous posts as to why. Do not be defensive. Try to understand what others are telling you. Yes you are correct BOINC does not handle the preference settings from the web site correctly. The solution you found works. As others have tried to tell you. The problem is known. The solution is known. The bug is in the database and has not been completed yet. EDIT: The problem bug is in the Developers debug database of things to do / fix.

83) 留言板 : Number crunching : Why "working on batteries" may not work for you! (消息 38329) 发表于：19 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: > > In other words you can have Default, Home, School and Work Preferences > set under both General and Project settings. So yes you are wrong and > misunderstanding what the BOINC messages are saying. > > > What the HELL is wrong with you? I said "it didnt work for me" all the time > and you argue it did? Tell me, when the HELL did you get your hands on my > machine? > > It didnt work and what you have said has been wrong the whole way through. > What *I* did was right and fixed the problem. Until you accept both those bits > of info you will continue to argue against proof which I provided. You cant > argue with proof but you do anyway. Sigh.... > Get your head out of your a$$! I didn't say the preferences worked I said you are misunderstanding what BOINC is telling you about the preferences on your computer by what you posted. Sorry to disappoint you but you found the same known bug that others have told you about and what the soulution was. That you could delete your extra general preference settings on the web site or edit the file on your computer. @Ulrich Metzner: Why comment on something you don't understand what the problem is? By your comment you show your ignorance. > Don't argue with idiots. > They pull you down on their level and beat you with experience!

84) 留言板 : Number crunching : Run while working on batteries - stuffed! (消息 38073) 发表于：19 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post:

85) 留言板 : Number crunching : Run while working on batteries - stuffed! (消息 38069) 发表于：19 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: > > Here is the problem and the misunderstanding. There are 2 preferences > being > > stated by BOINC when you update: General prefs which has the battery > option > > and the Project prefs which has resource share etc. Boinc is telling you > it is > > using default prefs for General prefs and home location for the Project > prefs. > > No error from Boinc in this case. : ) > > > > > > > > > > Read the other thread. It contains the explanation as to why you are > incorrect. Thanks. > Ditto : )

86) 留言板 : Number crunching : Why "working on batteries" may not work for you! (消息 38065) 发表于：19 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: > Sorry but wrong. As stated before, I HAD General and Home prefs and both were > set NOT to work on batteries and said so on the web site. However it didnt > work that way on my laptop. Deleting HOME preferences entirely and then > sending the Laptop in for an update changed it all to work. > > So, as I said the problem IS in BOINC or the Web site somewhere, most > definitely and I have proven that. It is not as you stated, unfortunately. > Here is the info from your first post that you are misunderstanding: came up with an idea so went and deleted my HOME preferences. I made the laptop update and it said to me that General prefs are updated, no separate prefs for HOME using defaults and in the next line said "Project prefs: using separate prefs for home" even though I had just deleted them and it knew that. I ignored that line - it IS AN ERROR from BOINC obviously - and turned the wall power off to the laptop and VOILA - it stopped working on the WU!!!! I turned it back on and it started working on it again automatically AS IT SHOULD! You are misunderstanding what BOINC is telling you. Here are messages from BOINC after an update: - General preferences have been updated - General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2004-10-18 21:09:16) - General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults - Project prefs: using separate prefs for home The General prefs line and the Project prefs line are 2 different settings. Go to your account page and look under Project Preferences you should see you have separate preference for Home there. This is different from the General Preference settings leading to some confusion. In other words you can have Default, Home, School and Work Preferences set under both General and Project settings. So yes you are wrong and misunderstanding what the BOINC messages are saying. Finally, yes there is a known error, as Darrell and the others have been trying to tell you. : )

87) 留言板 : Number crunching : No Moderator Need Apply (消息 38000) 发表于：18 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: > While some people probably do want to do this, I think most people just want > to keep these boards orderly. Number crunching should only have posts in it > related to number crunching. Is that too much to ask? Random "Hello, have a > nice day" messages should go in the Cafe Seti section. While seti hasn't set > up any official rules about this (see LHC), it really should be common sense. I find the "hate" posts in the threads and threads that help to inflame it far more offensive. Do these belong in the Number Crunching board?

88) 留言板 : Number crunching : No Moderator Need Apply (消息 37976) 发表于：18 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: > Since I'm on a modem, I wish there was a moderator to take care of Dumb A$$ > top posters and blatant advertisers that double my page load time. Spammers > and Trolls should be banned. > On the Account page under Forum Preferences settings: Show images as links Hide avatar images Hide signatures These will cut down on the bandwidth.

89) 留言板 : Number crunching : No Moderator Need Apply (消息 37935) 发表于：18 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: <p> Throughout history various Societies, Religions and Governments have had groups of "vigilantes" try to control the way people talk, act, dress, think. It seems there are those who wish to do the same here on the message boards. They want to control who can post to a thread or ban them from the message boards entirely if they don't like you or what you say or do.</p> <p>Janus' proposal to rate a single post by an individual is more than adequate. But even this will probably be abused by "gangs of bullies" going around and rating an individuals threads or posts.</p> <p>No rating of an entire thread is needed. No control of who can post to a thread is needed. No rating of an individual is needed. Outside of the SETI Project - official or otherwise - No Moderator Need Apply</p>

90) 留言板 : Number crunching : Run while working on batteries - stuffed! (消息 37892) 发表于：18 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: Here is the problem and the misunderstanding. There are 2 preferences being stated by BOINC when you update: General prefs which has the battery option and the Project prefs which has resource share etc. Boinc is telling you it is using default prefs for General prefs and home location for the Project prefs. No error from Boinc in this case. : )

91) 留言板 : Number crunching : Why "working on batteries" may not work for you! (消息 37890) 发表于：18 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: > Sorry about this repost from another thread but it is important! > > > Finally found the answer to this problem. I had two separate preferences, 1 > for General that anybody gets when the make a Boinc account and one for HOME > which I added. I had BOTH set to NOT work while on batteries but the latptop > did anyway as you all know. > > I came up with an idea so went and deleted my HOME preferences. I made the > laptop update and it said to me that General prefs are updated, no separate > prefs for HOME using defaults and in the next line said "Project prefs: using > separate prefs for home" even though I had just deleted them and it knew that. > I ignored that line - it IS AN ERROR from BOINC obviously - and turned the > wall power off to the laptop and VOILA - it stopped working on the WU!!!! I > turned it back on and it started working on it again automatically AS IT > SHOULD! Here is the problem and the misunderstanding. There are 2 preferences being stated by BOINC when you update: General prefs which has the battery option and the Project prefs which has resource share etc. Boinc is telling you it is using default prefs for General prefs and home location for the Project prefs. No error from Boinc in this case. : )

92) 留言板 : Number crunching : How I Would Fix the Credit System (消息 37657) 发表于：17 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post:

93) 留言板 : Number crunching : 0.00 credit granted ? ? ? ? (消息 37648) 发表于：17 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: > OK, but what I don't understand is that how could there have been a quorum if > only two results were valid? > There are two values I think are causing some confusion. See Workunits. min_quorum = The minimum size of a quorum. Set this to two or more if you want redundant computing. target_nresults = How many successful results to get. This must be at least min_quorum. It may be more to reflect the ratio of result loss, or to get a quorum more quickly. We will have to hear from an admin to be sure but I think the min_quorum value is 2 and the target_nresults value is 3. I believe the target_nresults determines when the results are sent to the validator. It only takes 2 valid results, the min_quorum, to get credit. Valid is different from successful.

94) 留言板 : Number crunching : SETI Link on home pages.. Not in BOINC ??????? (消息 37628) 发表于：17 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post:

95) 疑难解答 : Wish list : Payroll Type Credit System (消息 37589) 发表于：17 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: See my next post --------------------------------------------------------------------- Old --------------------------------------------------------------------- One thing I would really like is to have a separate field showing the Total CPU Time my computer devotes to a project. I think this could be done entirely on the server side with no changes to Boinc or its project applications. The Total CPU Time is something that is easily understood and has more meaning for me. Also a thought is you could still total users results that are marked as invalid and receive no credit for whatever reason; i.e. past deadline, results invalid, etc. Their cpu time spent would still count in the Total CPU Time and not be lost in the ether of the Internet.

96) 疑难解答 : Wish list : My wishes (消息 37575) 发表于：17 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: I hope Admins go through these message boards and read these posts. Anyway, I can live with the current credit system as is or with any changes decided by Seti. I know that whatever happens or doesn't happen there will be problems with any credit system. However what I would really like is to have a separate field showing the Total CPU Time my computer devotes to a project. I think this could be done entirely on the server side with no changes to Boinc or its project applications. The Total CPU Time is something that is easily understood and has more meaning for me. Also a thought is you could still total users results that are marked as invalid and receive no credit for whatever reason; i.e. past deadline, results invalid, etc. Their cpu time spent would still count in the Total CPU Time and not be lost in the ether of the Internet.

97) 留言板 : Number crunching : 0.00 credit granted ? ? ? ? (消息 37528) 发表于：17 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: > Kathless, > > If you can give a link to the WU we can do more... > Paul, Work Unit 1498053 I was sure to look at the wu before posting this time. ; ) Please look at it because there may be other reasons for the 0 credit. Like you and others; I have pending that may never receive credit and have to live with.

98) 留言板 : Number crunching : SETI Link on home pages.. Not in BOINC ??????? (消息 37412) 发表于：17 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: > Are there any signature kind of things for SETI Boinc that one can put on > their home pages indicatinf their rank, credits etc..... > > The stuff that A boinc user suggested does not seem to work. > BOINCstats.com completed their move and you can use www.boincstats.com or IP 69.93.59.107

99) 留言板 : Number crunching : Congratulations To SETI Team (消息 37240) 发表于：16 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: Just a Note for the Admin in case they see this thread: Do a local test using a test wu with both Seti 4.03 and Seti 4.05 and see what the cpu times are. All the users are betting you will see a large difference. Keep up the good work. This past week has been a pleasure.

100) 留言板 : Number crunching : Congratulations To SETI Team (消息 37220) 发表于：16 Oct 2004 作者： Ron Roe Post: > I second that... but... > > One last major 'fire' left: Why is Seti Client 4.05 so much slower than 4.03 > (or classic for that matter)????? > > :^P > Yes the embers are still glowing on that one. One area that was suggested was the debug code. My personal opinion is that the 4.05 Progress Bar "fix" to make it more linear might be another area to look at.

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