1) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82836) Posted 27 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: > > Actually, that was the filler after I deleted the aforementioned (I so > rarely > > get to the word aforementioned that I couldn't help myself) not so warm > and > > fuzzy post. > > > > Kio, if you look out on the right of a post you'll see a [Reply to this > post]link. If you use this instead of the "Reply to this thread" at the > bottom, then we can see, which post you are replying to. > ahhhh.... and see, I was cutting, pasting, and putting the ">" in myself. Ouch. See how it is being the new guy =) Thanks

2) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82834) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: Nope. Gone, done, missed it. All is well. Thanks

3) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82826) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: Actually, that was the filler after I deleted the aforementioned (I so rarely get to the word aforementioned that I couldn't help myself) not so warm and fuzzy post.

4) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82822) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: Right, sorry, I'm with the People Front For Liberation Of Downtrodden Moon Hoax Quasi-Believers. So you must mean some other Moon Hoax Type Person. That was humor. Anyway, I posted a few questions/observations looking for answers and engaged in a little topical debate. I was simply looking for some answers or insight and I received both from some very nice and knowledgeable people here. In the mean time I went downstairs to my kitchen, made a Tuna sandwich for lunch (I love Tuna sandwiches) and baked a cake after lunch (chocolate supermoist). So, I'm not really evil incarnate, unless of course that entails the eating of Tuna Sandwiches and Baking of Supermoist Chocolate Cakes, not that I'm saying I would deny such a truth should I be shown otherwise but the plausiblilty does seem sketchy at best. Where were we? Ah yes, Dogs, especially large breeds can be quite flatulent under certain circumstances. My advice, keep a regularly timed feeding regimine and stay away from the specialty or "gormet" pet foods. The specialty pet foods sometimes contain flavor and odor enhancers which although they make handling the pet food and even the occasional covert nibble more palatable to the owner they do little for the animal. Best advice, keep it simple and regular, and your pet will stay likewise.

5) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82813) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: Mr. Sullivan, There was one post to which I responded with a bit less... hmm... decorum, but I edited it out after I read your post. Thank you for reminding me of why I posted.

6) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82809) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: hmm...

7) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82734) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: Cochise, It was the ad nauseum part I was trying to sidestep! Much appreciated

8) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82731) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: Tom, Just my sense of humor =) I did try to edit the post when I saw all the "float" comments, but there is a 60 min. timer on editing. Thanks =)

9) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82728) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: To: KWSN-MajorKong and Jan Inge Ohren, Thank you so much! Being an apparent "crackpot" I need real info. to be swayed. I have learned quite a bit about various published documentaries, web sites, statistics, and my own misunderstandings from this dialoge. I appreciate it very much. I never said I did not believe, but I never said I did either and that is what this thread is about. I will continue to see the world through the eyes of a skeptic, that is my nature. Being interested in the Seti program does not make me an expert in all things astrophysical as some seem to take for granted. I know little about the space program and I am sure I am not the first to ask such questions in this age of coverups. I will take all of the information and advice given here and continue on my own. This seemed a good place to start. Thank you

10) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82716) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: >Another one? That makes me feel better =-) I see you have several hundred posts, very nice. >Why do people join the SETI@home project, then immediately come >to these >message boards to post whatever rubbish leaks out of their head? I >may be >called elitist for this, Yup >but come on! Claiming dust would "float" in >1/7 /sigh I wish I could go back and change that post, but I can't. What I meant was that the equation of a falling body (our dust) involves only two variables when resistance, among other things, does not factor in. Those two variables are mass and gravity. Given the rate of acceleration due to gravity under our gravity I would expect a dust cloud to take proportionally longer to settle under the calculated moon gravity of 1/6 gc(earth). I chose the word "float" I chose unwisely =) Forgive me? >gravity? On what? There's no air. So this guy comes along and selects one >scientific premise, i.e. the weaker gravity on the moon, and ignores another, >that there is no atmosphere there. When everyone knows that the moon is >simply a holographic projection from the planet G'klog^, put there to provide Thanks to you this little known fact is now on the internet so I expect it is true? >light at night for their 28 day (off-world) mating cycle. Is there an 8 minute version? >Sheesh! Thanks a bunch =)

11) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82693) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: >?So I suppose that most of the governments on Earth were part of the >conspiracy, after all none of them came out and said we didn't go to the >moon. With that kind of cooperation it's a wonder all of out problems have >not been solved. >Gosh!!! Interesting point, but consider this. Without looking at a newspaper, television, or web brower how many satellites were launched this morning? I have no idea, do you? I find it difficult to believe that any other nation tracked our launched vehicles for thier entire trip even if they did have the equipment and opportunity which most likely did not. There was a cold war going on. You have to have a signal to track and though, again, I have no information to support it I doubt NASA made a public or private disclosure of the frequencies and encryptions they used to monitor and track the flights. Thanks for the input, I am really enjoying the discussion!

12) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82687) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: >No one is going to convince you of anything here I don't think, you're just >looking for an argument. No arguments, just input. That was all I asked for. >You just need to educate yourself a lot more. There is no need to remain >ignorant and the internet is a great resource and has more info than anyone >here could point you to. imho...I would say that it is easier to propogate a hoax via internet than any other medium we have ever had. Of all the places to broach this subject I think this chat forum is one of the better. People who come here have already demonstrated the ability and desire to think out of the box. >Good luck! Thanks =) >It reminds me of an argument I got into just the other day with someone about >scientific theories. They were saying that evolution is 'JUST' a theory and >the scientists have 'theories' about everything. My reply was that if you >think that gravity is 'just' a theory, go jump off a bridge. Hey, thems fightin' wurds! Gravity and Environment are my greatest allys in all this. Thank you for the post =)

13) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82683) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: >Kio, Do you belong to the Flat Earth Society too!! hehe... nope. >Ever try to find that naked lady in the 30 story apartment complex your >telescope is pointed at? What are your chances of seeing her? What do you >think your chances are of seeing scattered debris with a telescope. I don't have a Gazillion Dollar telescope either. >When the LEM left the moon surface it scattered what was left to the four >directions. Who said "left"? Pics taken, in-situ, while they were there show no evidence of disturbance of any kind. >They didn't leave weather sensor there because there isn't any weather to >measure. You need an atmosphere to have weather. Really? And how did they know that exactly? No radiation instruments, no communications relay instruments, nothing for future missions to home in on? Hmm... >NASA never published all the Pictures.. They published the ones that clearly >showed the moon surface. Who wants to see cloudy dusty pictures anyway. Why not? I want to see the dusty and cloudy ones. Bring 'em out. >The moon gravity is 1/6 that of Earths and even at 1/6 dust would settle >rather quickly. I'll give you the rate of fall because there is no resistance to air as far as we know, but you have to give me that the debris field would also be proportionally larger and noticable with a defined pattern within the debris field under the same assumption. >You can't claim gravity for the flag and then ignore it for the dust. As for >the stiff Ironed looking Flag it looked that way because it WAS that way. It >was stiffened so that it would remain unflurred. No Atmosphere - NO Wind... I thought it was 1/7 g, sorry about that. Again, at the time they didn't know anything about the atmosphere of the moon. >Look to the internet for your answers Kio all of them are there and a vast >majority of them by unbiased non-NASA eggheads hehe... I wouldn't give my worst enemy that kind of advice =) Many thanks for the post =) I appreciate the input.

14) Message boards : Cafe SETI : US Statehood (Message 82677) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: /agree

15) Message boards : Cafe SETI : US Statehood (Message 82669) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: Just a casual observation or three... I checked out your "web site" smash. Looks like it's pretty much devoted to bolstering your ego. You've submitted to your "participants" to change the name of your team from something neat and trendy to something that will represent your more "commercial" venture which I noticed includes creating a user name to view the "Stripper of the day". /smile You have an anarchy symbol for a user icon, what's that all about? Patriotism? I'm confused on that one. I'm not coming down on you for any of the above, but I will say that if you want to talk the talk then walk the walk. I also noticed that though you look to be of perhaps French (which is supported by your locale) or greek or latin american heritage it contradicts the feeling I get from your posts, a bit white supremist to me. If that wasn't your intention then you might think about drafting posts on the side, sitting on them, then revising them before you post. You may not come off so agressive that way. In a more esoteric fashion... it takes all kinds. We, as a species, have outpaced our own evolution with our technology. We shouldn't be able to get from continent to continent with such force in such a short period of time because we don't know how to act when we get there nor do we have the integrity to act with what little foresight we are caplable of to know if we should even be "there"... and on and on. Right now it seems the human condition is - ill. This country was founded by people who wanted to "get away" from something they didn't like. Plain and simple. So, what do you suppose we don't like? Being told what to do? Being made to work? Paying for the mistakes of others? Being told who/what to worship. The popular Taxation without representation (and if you think we have overcome that, think again my friend)? There are many perspectives on what is to be "gotten away from" and what is to be "moved toward". For example: I would venture to say that English will cease to be our national language in the forseable future. The obvious argument used to hold onto English was/is that nearly all of us speak English. Well, look around, that isn't really the case anymore now is it? Why? Because people who speak other languages want freedom too and when the numbers go thier way so will certain aspects of our "culture". Remember that English was not always the common language on this continent. It was, however, the common language of those who first sought to established power here on some scale, oh wait that would be the Mexicans... er... Indians oops. See what I mean? Come here for freedom and then turn right around and try to organize? Why not go your own way and have total freedom. It was not, and will never be, about freedom. It is and was about power and who controls it. Which do we choose? Which is "right"? Are both "right"? By the way, if you think you speak English, go read the original version of Canterbury Tails by Geoffrey Chaucer. That was English too at one time, 'Yo. Getting back to the original post. World peace would be nice. A unified economy would be nice. If we were all nice, that would be nice too but it won't happen any time soon. I think anything global/planetary is a good direction to head, I just don't think we are ready yet as human beings. If I were a small country out there struggling I'm not sure I'd want to be absorbed by us either. Mean People Suck, don't be mean, be a people.

16) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Locking up on Seti Using BOINC 4.24 (Message 82631) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: Reposted under Questions and Problems, sorry about that.

17) Questions and Answers : Windows : Lock up WinXp under Seti BOINC (Message 82627) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: I'm running BOINC 4.24 on AMD 3200+ w/ 400 Mhz FSB 1 GB DDR Mode RAM @ 400 Mhz I leave my machine on at night, with my monitor off, to run BOINC and when I get up in the morning and turn the monitor on there is the Seti@home 3D screensaver frozen still and my pc won't respond to ctrl-alt-del or anything else for that matter and I have to reboot. I have BOINC set to use 75% of my virtual, which I don't see it needing, and up to 100 GB of disk space. How much more can this thing eat? =/

18) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Did we go to the moon? Yes or No. What are your thoughts? (Message 82606) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: I'm posting this because I'm 37 years old, love the whole concept of space exploration, SETI, the BOINC project, and all they encompass BUT the older I get the more difficult it is for me to digest certain problems with the idea that we actually "landed" on the moon when we think we did. I don't have facts to support the claim, just a gut instinct and common sense. Help me out. Here are a couple of questions/observations I have: 1.) Lets say we go to the moon and leave a few things behind. Don't you think that with all the technology we have both on earth, and now, in orbit that someone would have taken a picture of what we left behind for nostalgic purposes if any? 2.) There was no dust, scattered debris, or indentation left on the moon when the lander "landed"? I don't see any dust clouds in any of the pictures I have ever seen. Dust would float for a mighty long time in 1/7 gravity. 3.) 1/7 gravity is still gravity. The pictures of "astronaut with flag" show the flag flat and rigid like it was starched by the worst drycleaner in history. 4.) We leave/send data relaying devices to planets so far from here we'll never get there in any reasonable time frame and we didn't leave a single instrument on the moon to send back climate or temprature or whatever kind of data you can imagine up there? 5.) The Hubble telescope was sent up with the "wrong" lense? I think not. I think someone already had the same ideas I have and they were in a position to check it out, and did. - Somebody who can, do some math, figure out the escape velocity of the moon and then figure what volume of fuel would be required to get back to earth from a moon lift off. I'm guessing the "lander" wasn't that big. Just another question I wish I had the answer to. I think Apollo 13 was the closest we ever came. If you have any input for this stuff I'd love to read it. What I don't want to see are regurgitated NASA or Astronaught statements. Anyone? Thanks

19) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Fight the GRID (Message 82595) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: Since the BOINC message board leaves a little to be desired and most of us there, came from here =) . . . I joined the BOINC via Seti@home like many others. Since I started using BOINC and at the same time began exploring the internet for other BOINC or similar projects I've noticed that the term "GRID" comes up in some ominus places. In this context Ominous = commercial. I will not support any so called "public" project which does not use open source OR is housed by what I consider to be a commercial entity; IBM for example. They can donate all the funding they way but they aren't going to use it as leverage over projects being aided by my time. I'm not going to use my computer time to help build "widgits". Believe me, if "they" didn't think they could make a buck on "they" wouldn't touch it with a pole of length only able to be computed via BOINC. If it ain't BOINC, I ain't doin' it. -my two units of local currency

20) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Locking up on Seti Using BOINC 4.24 (Message 82570) Posted 26 Feb 2005 by Kio Post: I'm running BOINC 4.24 on AMD 3200+ w/ 400 Mhz FSB 1 GB DDR Mode RAM @ 400 Mhz I leave my machine on at night, with my monitor off, to run BOINC and when I get up in the morning and turn the monitor on there is the Seti@home 3D screensaver frozen still and my pc won't respond to ctrl-alt-del or anything else for that matter and I have to reboot. I have BOINC set to use 75% of my virtual, which I don't see it needing, and up to 100 GB of disk space. How much more can this thing eat? =/

 
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