Posts by David @ TPS

21) Message boards : Number crunching : Another OC newbie (Message 818753)
Posted 15 Oct 2008 by Profile David @ TPS
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I just cobbled together a Quad-core
AuthenticAMD
AMD Phenom(tm) 9600 Quad-Core Processor [x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 2]

Can be found here:

Ernest

I have done some looking and it does not sound very hopeful to OC it very much, if any.

It is running at 50 degrees C stock, with SSE3 App.

Question for anyone who knows - Can I OC and (now for the stupid question part) HOW?

Cooler is Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 LP. Cooler

(edit): MB is a GeForce 6100PM-M2 with Phoenix Award BIOS.
David
22) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI vs. Folding: Which do you crunch more? (Message 814379)
Posted 3 Oct 2008 by Profile David @ TPS
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I tried folding with my Core 2 duo, and after several weeks of crunching, I discovered that none were being accepted. I wasted much horsepower and 30 some folding units that would not return. When the cache of 10 was full, it rolled the oldest off, never to be seen again. I brought all back to boinc, einstein at the time, and am now back to seti with 3/4 of the garden.

Did a little Rosetta, but nothing there now.
23) Message boards : Number crunching : Opinions.... (Message 808630)
Posted 15 Sep 2008 by Profile David @ TPS
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All silliness aside (and I'm all for silly) I do hope we can show a little respect for others, even when we disagree.

... and work more toward discussing the ideas, and not going after the people who support either side.

-- Ned



EXACTLY Ned!

Throw in some silliness, but for heaven's sake, RESPECT the other cruncher! My little vegetable garden is not, nor will it ever be able to compete in any way with most of you...... BUT I DO WHAT I CAN. Does it make a FARM bad? NO. I started out with one box on Classic and have managed to work up to a garden.

In no way does anyone's OPINION affect anyone else.

Might I try to argue a point? SURE..... but I will never disrespect an opposing viewpoint, nor should anyone else!

We are all here for the same reasons, either to get credits or "for the science" or some combination thereof. The fact still remains, that if we are crunching for SETI, it is because we WANT to. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head and making them choose this project or any other.


David
24) Message boards : Number crunching : Opinions.... (Message 808614)
Posted 15 Sep 2008 by Profile David @ TPS
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Aw heck, why dont we just agree to disagree about agreeing to disagree about whatever the heck it was we were going to disagree about agreeing to?

Oh, and while we are at it...... I vote MAYBE!!!

;) <---(winky)
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Opinions.... (Message 808588)
Posted 15 Sep 2008 by Profile David @ TPS
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drat!!!!!

Pass the Fancy Feast!

Oh, did I mention I have very short term....... something.
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Opinions.... (Message 808583)
Posted 15 Sep 2008 by Profile David @ TPS
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I disagree with both of you! *grin*
27) Message boards : Number crunching : more WU for users who donated (Message 808543)
Posted 15 Sep 2008 by Profile David @ TPS
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Hi folks!

As of late we have seen a lot of work shortage. And we have seen two Donation chalenges. I participated too. To keep this short:

What about to save for example last 1000 WU only for those users, who donated in past year (have green star)? There is not many benefits to those, who donated. What about to add one? Maybe more people donate and everything will go smoother with more cash in hand.

What do you thing about this?


People who crunch for SETI donate not only their CPU power but also (in a €/$/etc kind of way) the costs of their higher electric bill. How someone could read this is that the one kind of donation is more important then the other kind of donation..., which I think would become a slippery slope...


Agreed!
28) Message boards : Number crunching : I no longer care about Seti. (Message 808527)
Posted 15 Sep 2008 by Profile David @ TPS
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I seldom post but read a lot here. Let me try a slightly different line of reasoning.

My credits are just as valuable as what we find in the litter boxes.

At first read, that sounds bad, but look at it this way........

What is in the litter box is very valuable to us and the veterinarian, as it tells us the health of the cats!

Credits are valuable to ME as they tell me the health of my crunchers.

No one cares if the kittys are healthy but us, and no one should care if my crunchers are healthy but me.

If a kitty needs vitamins, different food or medicine to be it's healthiest, then we want to know.

If one of my boxes needs a power-ap or update to be it's healthiest, I want to know.

I compete... with MYSELF. I have goals to strive for, and each one achieved allows me to strive for another goal. I had a goal of 1 million SETI, reached it; set a goal of 2 million Einstein, reached it; now it's 2 million SETI and I am bringing the boxes back here. When that is reached, I will set another goal.... probably 3 million SETI.

This same thread goes on at every project, I suspect.

If everyone only worried about their own litter boxes, we would all have very healthy, happy and contented cats.

If everyone only worried about their own credits, we would have healthy, happy and contented projects.

David

PS: It accomplishes absolutely nothing to compare how many cats (or cores) msattler has to how many I have, as long as they are ALL healthy and happy!

PPS: Seti-city has FANTASTIC catnip!
29) Message boards : Number crunching : Unofficial BOINC Wiki closing 2006-03-31 (Message 258122)
Posted 6 Mar 2006 by Profile David @ TPS
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David, this is NOT meant as a flame, so please don't take it that way. Although, I did read what you, ksnash and several others were saying about BOINC over at the house of "Classic" about a year or so ago. And, I don't remember reading where anyone, doing BOINC, said you or any other "Classic" cruncher were "stupid" for not making the switch. But, that's beside the point....
What makes you think that the work being done on SETI II, under BOINC, is any less important, or any less effective than "Classic" was? We're doing the same work here as was done at "Classic". The only 2 changes is the software and the credit system. Obviously, by now, you know that with BOINC you can do work on more than one project at the same time. The advantage is that if one project is down or out of work temporarily, the other[s] can take up the slack. And, credits, well credits are credits. I'm in this for the science, although it's nice to see something that shows I'm contributing to the science.

The point is that most everything evolves. Just look at computers for instance. My calculator has more computing power than computers of decades ago. I would just like to see the acceptance of said evolution. Nothing stays the same, everything changes. Some day, maybe 6 years from now, something better than BOINC will come along and replace it. If and when that happens, I can see it now: people asking why no more BOINC and this new "thing" is a piece of crap. Just as it happened with the "Classic"/BOINC fiasco. Peace.... (-:<


Under no circumstances do I take it as a flame Siran.

1. There were MANY posts on the Classic boards by those from BOINC telling us how we HAD to switch, we had no choice.... I WISH THOSE BOARDS WERE STILL OPEN SO I COULD QUOTE...... Believe me Siran, they were there! I have dedicated 3 machines to Einstein, BUT, that is my only 'extra-curricular' activity on BOINC... I LOST a machine when SETI went down, it filled the cache with einstein units and now I cannot BUY a seti work unit for it! The end result, seti KILLED a p-4 HT machine, doing a WU every 22 mins (2 threads at 44 mins each) running 24/7. Berkeleys comment "OH WELL"........ THAT is what irritates me... their cavalier attitude! Now, Einstein is getting that box, and seti isnt!

2. You DID totally mis-understand me! I DO BELIVE SETI BOINC IS WORTHWHILE (from the science standpoint) or I WOULDNT BE HERE WITH AN RAC OF 7k+! Our griping and complaining (which you read) was ONLY because we wanted to finish classic with DIGNITY... and were not given that option. I started with it, and was GOING to finish it... THEN move to BOINC. It was NOT done on the open board, but I sent several e-mails to the REALLY high powered Classic Crunchers, trying to get them to come to BOINC with me, some did with a SMALL portion of their classic farms, some did not. IF the message boards still existed, I could take you to several threads that I ASKED people to join me HERE! I griped, but still BELIEVED in SETI. (STILL DO BTW)

ML1 --- by your description mine is a "thin air" guess. The day classic closed there were (+/-) 5.4 million "users" of classic...... we all know a large number were inactive, so lets say that 10% still crunched in some form or another. That's roughly 500,000 crunchers....... by your figures 300K +/- came to boinc. I said HORSEPOWER... not # of crunchers..... how many of those 300K brought 1 box and how many brought 120 boxes?

I have 15 and brought them all (except 2 celerons on Einstein). I KNOW one cruncher who has 120 boxes... and what he is running is on Einstien, NONE of the 100K+ crunchers from classic (except Clay) that I knew of came to SETI boinc with their entire farms.

Yes, my numbers are empirical, but I really think they are fairly close based on what I HEARD and SEE!

OF COURSE I WANT AN AWARD... but that AWARD is to see MY total cobbled-up-bobble-head-thingies GOING UP! I can't EVER catch Clay on TPS... does it BOTHER ME... NO!!!! I recently PASSED SEDIAZ... I threatened to shut boxes down so as NOT to pass him, and was RESOUNDINGLY reprimanded for "mercy crunching".... the 3 of us are chasing each other.... but whatever order of credit we end up with, if we succeed, it will be against each other's BEST EFFORT..... my boxes are still all at stage 5 afterburner!

This is what was lost with Classic. The FRIENDLY competition within a team, or a few guys/gals in battling each other! I do NOT see the 'comraderie' on these boards that I did on the classic boards, and that, more than anything about this project makes me very very sad. I hope, that SOMEDAY it will become like that....

People Like Paul.... that was their vision... how many more will throw in the towel???? I dont know, but one is entirely too many!

I intend this to be my last post on this topic...... but, "ya never know, ya know" (quote from Curt Sowulo, master cruncher)


30) Message boards : Number crunching : Unofficial BOINC Wiki closing 2006-03-31 (Message 257736)
Posted 5 Mar 2006 by Profile David @ TPS
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"This last statement highlights another flaw in the project: our incessant demand for non-existent nonsense non-negotiable, Freudian 'Credits'. Like David1339 below, how many of us fret about the credits, whose team is number one, and so forth. This is so absurd it makes my toes curl. You can't buy a house with them, nor a Yugo, nor would anyone sane want them engraved on their headstone. The point of this project has always been ET and computer science. If that is not not enough, then grab for your bottle of lithium. What we should be doing is clammering for progress reports, scientific oddities revealed, and so forth. Yet 'we' don't."

I have said it several ways, at various times. You are correct that as far as "VALUE" to the outside world, credits are meaningless, be they Classic WU's or Cobble-thingies. The ONE place they have "value" is to the cruncher to whom they belong. I can look at my total or my RAC and see if my acreage is performing at it's maximum potential or something somewhere has failed. The object is to process as much work as possible. (to reach the desired outcome of finding ET, the more you process, the greater the chance of success)

I want to do the best I can do, and if wanting to see my team succeed is too much to ask.... so be it...

Most teams are constantly trying to recruit new members, if "team standings" dont matter to anyone, why are they wanting more members?

There are, I am sure, crunchers who do not care, and those that DO.... but does that make those that do BAD? I think not, no more than it does those who DONT care about credits.


David
31) Message boards : Number crunching : Unofficial BOINC Wiki closing 2006-03-31 (Message 257710)
Posted 5 Mar 2006 by Profile David @ TPS
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I know I will get flamed for this post. Paul encountered the same things that we former CLASSIC crunchers did. Boinc/SETIII was its own world and NO ONE accepted the fact that we wished to FINISH what we started! When we were summarily dismissed from Berkeley's "realm"... some of us came here, some went other places. I KNOW we lost 50% plus of the classic horsepower.... maybe closer to 75%.

What was the problem? Why did SETI lose so much? Those "cheerleaders" who showed up on the classic boards telling us all how STUPID we were not to switch.... BERKELEY'S lack of communication WITH us..... keeping us informed of what was going on.... Ignoring Stan Pope... Curt Sowulo... Clay Ruth.... the "MASTER CRUNCHERS".

(sounding a little familiar???)

I wrote 2 scathing diatribes before classic closed, the posting of which would have accomplished nothing...... but Paul's post touched (in a different way) on every point I made!

If I have a "read" of Paul, he will never see this post, but if he ever does, then I want to say WELL SAID PAUL! THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE INTESTINAL FORTITUDE I DIDNT!

A few of us are staying, we have dedicated ourselves to The Planetary Society, and going to see what we can do. I am not competing with you, or anyone else, but I am competing with myself! I want my TEAM to be #1.... can I do more?, can I recruit more crunching?, I dont know... but whatever it takes......

CLASSIC dedication lives on.... in some of us!

David
32) Message boards : Number crunching : AND NOW WHAT? (Message 255753)
Posted 1 Mar 2006 by Profile David @ TPS
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Dont you have any Cached? There are outages consistently.... for up to a day or two.... I have 10 days in cache, so until it gets close to empty, I certainly wont worry!

Yes, I am getting a "No New Work" message from the server.......
33) Message boards : Number crunching : Unofficial BOINC Wiki closing 2006-03-31 (Message 255195)
Posted 28 Feb 2006 by Profile David @ TPS
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Well Said POOH BEAR!

I did not come to SETI2 until after the demise of classic (well, I put a couple of P-1's on earlier, just to get my account active) but did not bring my Acreage (small Farm) until 12-16-05. I read here, posted 2 or 3 times prior, and the flaming of "classic" was ALMOST enough to drive me away. I, however, believe in the concept and the ONE NAME that always appeared as the "voice of reason" in any flame was Paul.

I had less than 10K on December 16 when I switched and currently am at 280K+.

Clay Ruth brought his FARM the same time I did and is at 425K.

Seti COULD have lost both of us like they did so many others with even MORE to offer than we have. Curt Sowulo and Warhawk quietly moved on to other things.

My point here is that it was NOT the demise of classic that bothered ANY of us, it was the cavalier attitude of Berkeley/Admin AND lack of communication WITH us. In the year I was on classic, I think I saw 3 "yellow" posts on the boards! History is repeating itself.

Like many TRIED to do on Classic, e-mails, plea's and yes, when all else fails, bitch and whine..... HOW DO YOU GET THEIR ATTENTION??????? Paul apparently exhausted all avenues of getting through to Admin, failed, and rather than take the final step of bitch and moan, he just walked. A very sad day for all of us.

I see posts that almost sound "good riddance"... not so cool.
I see posts that support Paul .... cool!
I see posts that are sorrowful....

Whatever you feel, good riddance or sorrow, in the overall picture, it is the same attitude that Berkeley had about classic, just shifted to here and other projects. It is a dark day for SETI-Boinc, no matter how you slice it!

I stayed with Classic to the bitter end, and I will be HERE until there are no more WU's to crunch..... (predicted May, I think ???).

34) Message boards : Number crunching : Unofficial BOINC Wiki closing 2006-03-31 (Message 255013)
Posted 28 Feb 2006 by Profile David @ TPS
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Trux... my hat is off to you! Wonderful words, worth listening to!
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Unofficial BOINC Wiki closing 2006-03-31 (Message 254690)
Posted 27 Feb 2006 by Profile David @ TPS
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I am sorry to see that no one (in authority) learned from the losses 3 months ago. (this is sounding eerily like Deja Vu)!

Paul, you WILL be missed Sir!

I lost count of the MAJOR crunchers who followed suit and announced their retirement in this thread.

I have many of the same feelings, and have dipped my toe in FOLDING AT HOME which is NOT BOINC powered. I intend to keep my total farm running at Stage 5 Afterburner (SETI) until either we run out of work or I reach my goals.


Fare thee well all who are traveling on, wherever you may fare!

It is always sad to lose crunchers.

David


36) Message boards : Number crunching : **** Closed SETI/BOINC Milestonesâ„¢ V Closed **** (Message 249125)
Posted 16 Feb 2006 by Profile David @ TPS
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WAY TO GO CLAY!!!!!! I am climbing behind you, just broke 200K today, after the regularly scheduled outage...

Keep knocking them down!
37) Message boards : Number crunching : [Attention: Sarcasm inside] ;) (Message 248151)
Posted 14 Feb 2006 by Profile David @ TPS
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Sorry, but i couldn't stand the following question for entertainment during the outage:

[sarcasm]
Wouldn't it be easier to announce on the frontpage when the server is reliable running instead of announcing when it is not running?
[/sarcasm]


ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS ULI!!!!! ROTFL!!!!!
38) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't (re)Join Team (Message 244544)
Posted 8 Feb 2006 by Profile David @ TPS
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Actually, I was a charter member of the Planetary Society, as well as being a member of the National Space Institute and an L5'er. Of them all, L5 was the one that held the most attraction for me, mostly because of a single line printed in its first newsletter, that "our clearly stated long range goal will be to disband the Society in a mass meeting at L5" ... I really liked to dream in those days!

Somewhere along the line, though, I realized that the real stumbling block to reaching the stars was (and is) less a matter of practical science than it is of practicing politics (hack, spit). So now I believe that best chance we have (with the possible exception of an impending global cataclysm) to "get there" may be with the help of ET, and we've got to *find* him first!

So participating here is just my way of keeping a little tiny bit of that dream alive, perhaps for those who come after - I have little hope that it will happen in my life time, and even if it should, rather doubt that I'd qualify to be a part of it.


Stats and being part of a team just add a bit of fun to that!

Hmm ... I think I may have just written my profile...


I applaud you sir! I did notice you are no longer a member of "TPS" team, perhaps you would re-think? We really DID help "start it all" and those of us who came up from SETI-1 to SETI-II are STILL pushing for TPS! Sure we are only like #15 in team rankings, but WE CAN DO BETTER if we get the support of those who believe in their philosophy! Sure a lot of 'classic' crunchers (me being one) stayed to the bitter end, but I came to SETI 2 with ALL the horsepower I could muster, ready to continue my quest, and looking for more!

My "Goal" (even if frowned on) is 1 million bobble-head-cobble-thingies which I should reach in about 5 years...... (unless I hi-jack a corporate network) but I have done 160K in about a month and a half (since Classic closed)... and can be PROUD of that! I compete with MYSELF... to be the best I can, and root for my TEAM..... what more can I do? Nothing I know of!

39) Message boards : Number crunching : Impressive Performance, but Come On! (Message 244065)
Posted 7 Feb 2006 by Profile David @ TPS
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SInce it is no longer 1 work unit = 1 credit, the time it takes to do the work is not a reason not to do the work unit. That was one of the whole points to moving away from one size fits none.


An excellent point Sir, however, I have noticed that an exceptionally long workunit does not receive 3-4 TIMES the credit.... maybe 23 or 24 as opposed to 18 or 19. So far, I have "written those off" because my P-4 HT's can turn several on the other half while one is bogged down with a 'HARD' WU. It is not a BIG deal, I am just always looking for tweaks to get MAXIMUM performance out of my farm. The only 'gauge' of how I am doing is my daily 'production', so I guess that is what I go by.... more=better!

When they closed Classic, I brought it all, in full afterburner, to SETI2, with the exception of 3 Celerons that I took to Einstein at home. My goal is to be the best I CAN BE.... and will keep pushing until I have it right!

40) Message boards : Number crunching : Impressive Performance, but Come On! (Message 243632)
Posted 6 Feb 2006 by Profile David @ TPS
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Thank You Sir! I will take a look at the ones that are taking WAYYYY to long to crunch. All the machines that accept optimized are 1.5->2 hrs, the 2 that wont, are 5-6. I will start watching their WU's!



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