Posts by Skip Da Shu

1) Message boards : Number crunching : Would a GPU-CUDA Upgrade worth it...? (Message 920219)
Posted 22 Jul 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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Sorry, it was meant as a joke. I realize you have taken time for some thoughtful responses and perhaps shouldn't have been flippant in that comment. Then again, from your responses you believe that others might do well to adjust their perception and I saw that as something you are quite serious about.


I spend time on a thoughtful response, and in exchange you tell me to adjust the dosage on my meds. Thanks.



And I PROMISE you adjusting your meds WILL adjust your perception ;-)

LMAO
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Would a GPU-CUDA Upgrade worth it...? (Message 919512)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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Maybe it's time for 'distributed-Serving' rather than 'distributed-computing'.....LOL

It is much easier to move a problem around than to solve it.


Wow Ned! I finally agree with you on something!
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Would a GPU-CUDA Upgrade worth it...? (Message 919511)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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Maybe it's time for 'distributed-Serving' rather than 'distributed-computing'.....LOL


That is the best 'avitar' I have seen in friggin' years! GREAT stuff! LMAO
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Would a GPU-CUDA Upgrade worth it...? (Message 919510)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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I really don't wanna get into the middle of this but can feel your frustration.

So a few things and then I'll get back to my CUDA successes / failures and my scrounging around for some used video cards for my crunchers.

1) The WHOLE purpose of BOINC is to be able to run MULTIPLE projects concurrently otherwise FAH is a single project that can do CPU/GPU. OverclockingWiki.org guys have a good team and are willing to help their folks out.

2) Attach to GPUGrid to keep those CUDA cards warm.

3) Attach to other projects to keep CPUs warm. Personally CPDN is a good background project that will give you far future due dates that make it a good filler. IMO, it might also be the most important DC work going on today.

Resource allocations (BAM is very nice when > 2 or 3 computers) can be tweaked to jump on SETI stuff when it's available but keep things toasty the rest of the time.

Good luck, Skip

5) Message boards : Number crunching : Would a GPU-CUDA Upgrade worth it...? (Message 919503)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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That's a curious thing for why the "44" group was there.

Let us know how you get on with the Dotsch/UX setup.

Happy crunchin',
Martin

Good to hear.

Usually the group by # is the result of something having been uninstalled that created the original group/user.... at least that's when I've seen it.

I looked today and as of right now I don't have a group "video" so I assume it must be something added by either the SETI/AQUA app or more likely, by installing the Nvidia packages directly as opposed to getting them through the repositories.

I've not heard back from Dotsch/UX yet and so yesterday I set two of the 'diskless' clients to NNW. Last night I aborted what was left (a big Aqua WU, ouch) installed an old 10GB IDE drive and the other 8800GT. I put V9.04 (Jaunty) on it and installed the v180 nvidia drivers. Other than having to add a link in /var/lib/boinc-client to the libcudart.so lib it came up saw the 8800GT. It got a GPUgrid WU and started in on it. So I now have two machines with 8800GTs that are doing GPUgrid. Aqua is out of work and I haven't put the 3rd party Linux SETI GPU app in yet.

I've got another 'diskless client' that I'm going to convert back to having a HDD today (I have a 9600GSO card and a 9600GT card still on the bench).

I probably needed to do this anyway as my poor Dotsch/UX server for the diskless clients has it's HDDs just pegged with activity most of the time. I needed to lighten the load on it a bit anyway.

Then next week I'll start in with the SETI GPU app.
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Would a GPU-CUDA Upgrade worth it...? (Message 919236)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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I've been seeing some posts about having to add user "boinc" to the group "video" wonder if this is why they were doing that?

Indeed so.

Also double check that there are "rw" (read-write) permissions for the video group for the /dev/nv* device files.

... that machine is both a headless and diskless cruncher. It boots via PXE from a Dotsch/UX server and then mounts an nfs file system on the server. I am suspicious that the binding of the nvidia driver to the kernel isn't happening on that machine... possibly because part of the intrfms stuff is in a common directory on the nfs server that is not mounted once the boot process is kicked off. ...

That you have no monitor connected should not be a problem provided:

1: The hardware isn't being too clever and requires a physical monitor or a dummy vga/dvi plug to be connected;

2: You have xorg (xserver) up and running.

It may well be that the Dotsch/UX setup assumes non-CUDA operation (or at least doesn't do anything special for CUDA).

Hope that helps a little.

Good luck,
Martin

These dogs require me to have a monitor on them to bring up gdm but once up I can take it off and vnc or remote desktop into them... normally they run w/o gdm but while I was working on it I had an old lcd panel hooked up.

Still hoping to hear back from Herr Dotsch on it.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Would a GPU-CUDA Upgrade worth it...? (Message 919145)
Posted 18 Jul 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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http://lifeofaprogrammergeek.blogspot.com/2008/05/cuda-development-in-ubuntu.html

Following those steps got it working... but for some reason I have to run BOINC as root (ie sudo or gksudo) to get CUDA working, trying to figure out what's wrong there (probably permissions on some file).

I've been seeing some posts about having to add user "boinc" to the group "video" wonder if this is why they were doing that?

I got one of the 8800GTs put into my regular desktop machine (Ubuntu v8.10, 64b) and it's crunching a GPUgrid WU as I type. :-) It required installation of v6.4.5 from getdeb and putting a link in /var/lib/boinc-client to the libcudart.so libs. Other than that the Ubuntu install of the 180 driver and then running the nvidia-xorg thing got me going on that project. I'm waiting for Aqua to finish a big CPU WU to see if it'll get and process a GPU WU.

I am STRONGLY suspicious that the reason the other 8800GT wouldn't work in the dedicated cruncher I was trying it in is related to the fact that it runs Dotsch/UX (an Ubuntu v8.10 derivative) but that machine is both a headless and diskless cruncher. It boots via PXE from a Dotsch/UX server and then mounts an nfs file system on the server. I am suspicious that the binding of the nvidia driver to the kernel isn't happening on that machine... possibly because part of the intrfms stuff is in a common directory on the nfs server that is not mounted once the boot process is kicked off. I've got a note off to the distro's owner to see what he has to say. The net result is that I may need to put HDDs back in any of those machines that I want to GPU crunch with. I'll be looking at that shortly. Once I get a couple more of these vid cards functional I'll come back to getting Crunch3r's Linux SETI app running.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Would a GPU-CUDA Upgrade worth it...? (Message 919000)
Posted 18 Jul 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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Well those two cards are sitting in the box... I also bought a used 8800GT and so far I can't get it configured right so BOINC sees it (64b Ubuntu v8.10)... getting pretty frustrated with it.

I also just filled out the RMA stuff on my HD4770 that I'd hoped to crunch MW on a windows machine. New ATI Catalyst package doesn't work with MW and older ones don't know what a 4770 is (winxp 32b). Too bad it's an almost 4850 with much lower power draw. Nice card otherwise.


I have the same OS, I got both of my GTX 260 to show up after installing the CUDA SDK and Toolkit from Nvidia with no problem... make sure you have them installed correctly AND your account can use them (when I installed mine they were owned by root and group video, changed group to my account and no problems).


Can you provide a link or any details on these steps?
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Would a GPU-CUDA Upgrade worth it...? (Message 918986)
Posted 18 Jul 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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Well those two cards are sitting in the box... I also bought a used 8800GT and so far I can't get it configured right so BOINC sees it (64b Ubuntu v8.10)... getting pretty frustrated with it.

I also just filled out the RMA stuff on my HD4770 that I'd hoped to crunch MW on a windows machine. New ATI Catalyst package doesn't work with MW and older ones don't know what a 4770 is (winxp 32b). Too bad it's an almost 4850 with much lower power draw. Nice card otherwise.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Would a GPU-CUDA Upgrade worth it...? (Message 918612)
Posted 17 Jul 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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Thank you very much.

I found a 9600GSO 384MB card with 96 stream procs and it is either out on the front porch or will be here tomorrow. In the interim I also bought a used 8800GT with a big A/C S1 cooler on it.

I installed that into one of the crunchers tonight but BOINC is reporting no CUDA devices (Unbuntu v8.10, 64b, v180 restricted driver says it's active)... gotta solve this first.


OK having read thru this...

Can ya'll help me with low budget cards to put into a headless cruncher running 64b Linux.

I found some 512MB 9600GTs for under $75 each shipped or the 1GB models for around $80 each. A 9800GT would run me around $100. For this initial foray into GPU crunching would I benefit more from two 9600GT cards or the single 9800GT? An additional benefit of the 9600s is it appears all the PSUs I have will handle those. I would have to be a bit more selective for the 9800.

These cards are for nothing but number crunching on SETI, Aqua, GPUGrid.

Is there something that can give me an idea of the output differences between these two?

Thanx much.


As far as 'Budget' cards go (for CUDA performance anyways)....the 9600 GSO cards (1st & 2nd Revisions, NOT 3rd) are the way to go.

9600 GSO (1st & 2nd Revision):
- Cheap (under $80 USD usually)
- 96 Shader Cores
- Note desireable by most, so readilly available.

The unoficial 3rd revision of the card/moniker (using NEW stock, not rebranding old) ......uses less cores (64 I believe?), but uses faster DDR3 memory 100% of the time...no DDR2.

The old revisions were based on a 'rebranding' of 86/8800 Series cards for resale in the NEW marketplace of the 9000 Series.

I have tried (and own) 2 types of these cards. A 768MB DDR2/96 Core version and a 384MB DDR3/96 core version. The DDR3 version is a littel faster acording to BOINC by a few GFLOPS, even though is uses less memory.

Hope that helps.
Allan

11) Message boards : Number crunching : Coming back to SETI (Message 918611)
Posted 17 Jul 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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Well I'm stuck...

I hooked up a monitor, keyboard and mouse to a normally headless & diskless cruncher and installed an 8800GT in it. Turned off the onboard video in BIOS and rebooted the thing. It booted and put me to the login command prompt (I don't have gdm starting automatically on this thing). I start gdm and installed the recommended "restricted" driver (v180). After rebooting and restarting gdm I get a series of nvidia errors. The first one says that it can load module "type1" and complains about a screen configuration. I then get the ol' "ubuntu is running in low graphics mode". After a couple of cancels and OK's the gnome desktop starts up and is in a reasonable resolution (1024x768 I think). I started up the boinc manager and in the messages tab I see that it reported "No CUDA devices found". Driver config problem?

Dotsch/UX (Ubuntu v8.10), 64b, BOINC v6.4.5

I have read that this version of BOINC may not be the best for CUDA work but I'm not even to that point to worry about it yet. Can anyone give me some suggestions of how to get BOINC to see the 8800GT card?

Thanx in advance.

PS: Desktop effects can not be enabled either and I can no longer remote desktop to the machine. Restricted hardware drivers applet says the Nvidia v180 driver is enabled.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Would a GPU-CUDA Upgrade worth it...? (Message 917310)
Posted 13 Jul 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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I have 2 9600gts in my second rig and they work very well.
I would suggest having the 2 9600's as it wil give you the
added feature of being able to run SLI if you have an SLI
capable mobo.
Downside is they are onlt 37GFLOPS.
I am running 2 Aqua tasks on the rig with them in and at present
they have completed about 60% and it has taken around 160 hrs still
80 to 100 hrs to go on them.
Dave


Dave,
I was going to put one each in two different dedicated number crunchers. Have you run any SETI or GPUGrid with them? I read some grumblings about WU deadlines on GPUGrid but no mention of what card they were using that wouldn't meet these. Left a post there also.

Thanx for the reply.
Skip
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Would a GPU-CUDA Upgrade worth it...? (Message 917298)
Posted 13 Jul 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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OK having read thru this...

Can ya'll help me with low budget cards to put into a headless cruncher running 64b Linux.

I found some 512MB 9600GTs for under $75 each shipped or the 1GB models for around $80 each. A 9800GT would run me around $100. For this initial foray into GPU crunching would I benefit more from two 9600GT cards or the single 9800GT? An additional benefit of the 9600s is it appears all the PSUs I have will handle those. I would have to be a bit more selective for the 9800.

These cards are for nothing but number crunching on SETI, Aqua, GPUGrid.

Is there something that can give me an idea of the output differences between these two?

Thanx much.
14) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Will a 9400GT work in this computer? (Message 912120)
Posted 27 Jun 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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or look at this..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=190315987677
15) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Will a 9400GT work in this computer? (Message 912116)
Posted 27 Jun 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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Well I did have a better PC lined up to buy..but the seller backed out at the last minute, and I looked around some more and I eventually found one on eBay in my price range for using it as a dedicated BONIC cruncher ..

Computer: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=190311749297

(Pictures are at bottom of page)

I'm wondering if I can fit/power..using the stock PSU. A 9400GT and have it stay cool enough to use it as a Cuda cruncher?

If you REALLY just want a cheap number cruncher... I just did a quick price out and for right around $155 you could build a dual core AMD dedicated 'basket' cruncher out of all new parts off of newegg (except the basket from walmart, and a used HDD I'd give ya for the shipping). What I spec'd out would run a CUDA card up thru about an 8800GT / 9600GT. Substituting in a used PSU (Goodwill computer store, craig's list) or some used RAM could drop another $10~$20 bucks off of that. Could also run the thing off of a 4GB USB stick (Dotsch/UX) and forget the HDD.

I think my sig here has a 'Crunchers' pic link in it. If not here's a link to pics of the 2004 versions I built while in Beijing.

PS: Cooling is usually NOT an issue using my advanced design 'tupper cluster' technology... LOL.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Add CUDA now Seti won't crunch with CPU processors (Message 912070)
Posted 27 Jun 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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EDIT: Never mind, I see there's no Linux CUDA app on the apps page.
Screwed by Microshaft again.


Hi,

I'm not very familiar with the app itself, but this thread at Lunatics might be worth looking into.


Ah thanx so much... crunch3r bails me again :-)
17) Message boards : Number crunching : Add CUDA now Seti won't crunch with CPU processors (Message 911968)
Posted 27 Jun 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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Question for ya'll running CUDA w/ a quad.... do you leave all 4 cores running or do you leave one core 'open' to keep the GPU feed?

Was this something that was tested back at some time? I ask because I read that using the beta ATI GPU App for Milky overall thruput was better on quads with one core left just to feed the GPU.

Thanx for any info ya'll can provide... shopping for a used nvidia card to stick into one of my number crunchers. Oh yea, I assume SETI GPU crunching works under 64bit Linux... gee, I should've looked for that first.

EDIT: Never mind, I see there's no Linux CUDA app on the apps page.
Screwed by Microshaft again.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Want at add 667MHz desktop - want pointers or best app (Message 911967)
Posted 27 Jun 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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Hi, is it a CELERON or PIII ,(the 667MHz) and I would try to use optimized application, as they come in different [i]flavors

Your RAC, a measure of computating, shows you can gain some with an opti-app!
And/or CUDA enabled GPU cards (8800/9800GT{X} etc. Probably 1 667 is enough to drive a 295/280/etc. GPU?!

My QX9650@3.7GHz. takes 0.11CPU to drive a 9800GTX
You'd be unlikely to even find a card for that PC. If I recall very few PIII level Mobo's came with AGP 4X slot. forget PCIe. Do they make a PCI CUDA? Heck the Video card would use more power than the rest of the computer. I'd avoid the though besides he said he's got the PC and just wants to run it for seti. It be like putting pearls on a pig.


Well Some People Have Pet Pigs. I just have my cat - see picture.

I just have a PIII running XP/Home that I just taking up space. I do not pay for electric here and running it to help SETI might be nice, since it was my first SETI machine. Between my 2 gig server and my slow PIII, it could help, even though the PIII would take 3,4,5 times as long and not do Astropulse either. It is an old Compaq Presario that I bartered some tech work for. She got me to setup her new computer and I got her old one with 17" monitor for free. Since I had a 500MHz that would not run more than 20 gig drives, and this one did 40 gig easily (100 gig was max then, it was a good deal.

I remember when 10MEG was a large drive, since most people only had single or double floppies at the time. I have been using (working with) PCs for a long time and feel that if you got an old one that still works, you should use it.

So 2 gig server, maybe 667Mhz PIII Compaq Presario, also I might get my spare 1 gig AMD Athlon XP/pro laptop and my 2 gig Vista Home/Premium involved part-time.


You need to talk to my brother Jeff. He's got all sorts of old stuff running BOINC... including a 400MHz K-something. He's could tell you what projects will run on them.... probably easiest to contact him at the Guru Mountain link in my sig.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Want at add 667MHz desktop - want pointers or best app (Message 911962)
Posted 27 Jun 2009 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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Hi, is it a CELERON or PIII ,(the 667MHz) and I would try to use optimized application, as they come in different [i]flavors

Your RAC, a measure of computating, shows you can gain some with an opti-app!
And/or CUDA enabled GPU cards (8800/9800GT{X} etc. Probably 1 667 is enough to drive a 295/280/etc. GPU?!

My QX9650@3.7GHz. takes 0.11CPU to drive a 9800GTX



Yea but it REAL hard to find those 9800GTs in a PCI interface! lol.
20) Questions and Answers : Unix/Linux : Unrecognized XML in GLOBAL_PREFS:: (Message 722500)
Posted 6 Mar 2008 by Profile Skip Da Shu
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[quote]system3 - another of the v5.10.28 machines. This one just happens to be the sole Ubuntu (vs Xubuntu) machine.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated on this one.

The global_prefs file from this machine:

<global_preferences>
  <ram_max_used_idle_pct>95</ram_max_used_idle_pct>
  <mod_time>1203486196</mod_time>
  <work_buf_min_days>0</work_buf_min_days>
  <cpu_usage_limit>100</cpu_usage_limit>
  <disk_min_free_gb>0.5</disk_min_free_gb>
  <source_scheduler>http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi</source_scheduler>
  <disk_interval>181</disk_interval>
  <leave_apps_in_memory></leave_apps_in_memory>
  <max_bytes_sec_up>0</max_bytes_sec_up>
  <max_bytes_sec_down>0</max_bytes_sec_down>
  <ram_max_used_busy_pct>85</ram_max_used_busy_pct>
  <idle_time_to_run>2</idle_time_to_run>
  <max_cpus>4</max_cpus>
  <source_project>http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/</source_project>
  <disk_max_used_pct>95</disk_max_used_pct>
  <work_buf_additional_days>0.5</work_buf_additional_days>
  <cpu_scheduling_period_minutes>121</cpu_scheduling_period_minutes>
  <disk_max_used_gb>25</disk_max_used_gb>
  <suspend_if_no_recent_input>0</suspend_if_no_recent_input>
  <max_ncpus_pct>100</max_ncpus_pct>
  <vm_max_used_pct>85</vm_max_used_pct>
</global_preferences>


I copied the global_prefs.xml file off of my v5.10.30 windows machine and it resolved all the errors except the "max_ncpus_pct".

Dunno what happened to the one it had.


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