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121) 留言板 : News : SETI@home hibernation (消息 2038036)
发表于:15 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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The most recent item on the Breakthrough Listen news feed talks about making more data available for other people to process, but is silent on who might be doing that processing.

They collect, we process... but the analyse part stalls with Nebula... As I understand, main reason for hibernation is to finish Nebula and get results finally. "Results" that our computers return not real results in sense "yes, we found ET signal", they should be aggregated and summarized some way - that step Nebula should do. And to summarize them access to whole database of reported "signals"(in sense S@h client) required - that prevents DC-style of processing and limits our involvement in that stage.
122) 留言板 : Number crunching : Open note to all the Annonymnous Platform developers (消息 2037528)
发表于:12 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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I expect that many of the techniques you have come up with are of much wider application than just SETI, so, once you've recovered I look forward to seeing your names pop up on other projects and pushing their applications to new boundaries.


It's true, there are some paradigms learned that could be applied to other apps... but what could be as inspiring as SETI?....
Personally I hope we all recover after hibernation to new SETI apps and approaches.
123) 留言板 : Number crunching : More cores, worse performance? Why? (消息 2037527)
发表于:12 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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Are the tasks by themselves for the CPU and GPU basically the same or are they completely different in nature? I always thought they were somehow different and that partially explained why the GPU tasks finish so quickly.

-=- Boris

Exactly the same.
124) 留言板 : Number crunching : More cores, worse performance? Why? (消息 2037524)
发表于:12 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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Does the GPU card really make that much of a difference?

Thoughts?

-=- Boris

Yes, it does.

And second-order effects to consider: More simultaneous tasks mean increased CPU cache evictions/misses. And, finally,memory bandwidth saturation.
So, increasing number of logical CPUs w/o corresponding improvement in CPU L3 cache size and RAM speed will give diminishing results at some point.
125) 留言板 : News : SETI@home hibernation (消息 2037521)
发表于:12 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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In fact, an advanced ET race is more likely to find us first than us them. What happens when that occurs and they say take us to your leader? Er, um,. sorry guv, we ain't got one! United nations? Rather not think so. Trump, Putin? Lord help us.

Hardly more advanced civilization will have desire to speak with current officials.
More probably some kind of progressors (look for Arkady and Boris Strugatsky SiFi books regarding this concept) will be sent.
126) 留言板 : Number crunching : SETI orphans (消息 2037319)
发表于:11 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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I've been looking at Einstein as a new home. They were friendly enough to open a spot in their boards to let us chat on Tuesdays, so that earns them bonus points in my book. How is their uptime? do they have a weekly outage? do I need to configure my system differently?

AFAIK no weekly outages. But their tasks are huge (in RAM usage metric). On 32-bit OS I got memory issues when SETI queue dry and Einstein's tasks come into play.
127) 留言板 : Nebula : Estimating sensitivity (消息 2037007)
发表于:9 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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* We can’t study sensitivity to pulsed signals since we haven't implemented pulsed birdies. Future work.
* We can’t study factors specific to Gaussians (e.g. amount of time observed at Gaussian slew rates) since we currently don’t make Gaussians for birdies. Future work.

Ups %)
And how PulseFind algorithm validation done then?
128) 留言板 : News : SETI@home hibernation (消息 2037006)
发表于:9 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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BTW, if scientometrics plays same role in US universities as it became to play here SETI core team in big trouble for years already.
Publicational activity quite low so it could be hard to justify own places @US Berkeley staff. No matter how important research you do, if it provides low "scores" - you in trouble...
So, quite possible they really need to publish and spend whole time on papers preparation. Just because of those "external"reasons.
129) 留言板 : News : SETI@home hibernation (消息 2037003)
发表于:9 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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If what my computers have analyzed needs to be reanalyzed, then why isn't our computers doing it to help out?

that's the problem. and nobody will answer it.

Next processing stage requires access to whole database. So it can't be distributed.
We do first part that can be separated to many unlinked pieces. Next stage will link results of all those parts together.
130) 留言板 : Number crunching : 20th Anniversary T-shirts (消息 2036885)
发表于:9 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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Hibernation better.
Don't entice permanent shutdown by such T-shirt title ;)

And _IF_ it would appear permanent, another T-shirt with R.I.P. will be appropriate
131) 留言板 : SETI@home Staff Blog : This hurts me as much as it hurts you. (消息 2036741)
发表于:8 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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Even then, it's hard to put a halt to a process that you gave 20 years of your life. I certainly haven't achieved everything I wanted to with SETI@home. I've still got my plans for SETI@home version 10, there was just never time to implement them. Maybe when we've finished our results papers I'll dust them off, assuming I can find the resources.

So true... Hope it will be pause not stop.
132) 留言板 : Number crunching : Doing Seti Research by ourselves (消息 2036724)
发表于:8 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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Well, to do smth useful there should be new approach to search. New patterns. New freq ranges. Maybe even whole new spectrum band (like optical SETI).
And skilled professional to define such patterns. That's hard part. And then definitely some new form of distributed processing can be formed.
As I see the main issue of current SETI@home search - it's hugely undermanned. Just devastately huge. Persons who need to deal exclusively with mentioned "hard part" spend lot of time for just system administration.
133) 留言板 : Number crunching : SETI orphans (消息 2036723)
发表于:8 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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By the last statistics there will by about 200 000 SETI orphan hosts.

Where they will go?

Perhaps we should all set up a new team called Seti Orphans, and go invade another project.. ? :-)


I like such idea! Maybe on different projects but the same team, SETI Orphans :)
Would be the honour to participate !

P.S. my personal choice would be Einstein@home as closest in spirit one.
Will see if it can feed all my different devices. Not compatible ones will search for new targets...
134) 留言板 : Number crunching : Suggestions/Comments for a SETI@home v3 (消息 2036722)
发表于:8 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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We have 20 years experience with s@h running on BOINC (s@h 'v2')...

We had the start of a whole new world of volunteer distributed computing with s@h 'classic' (s@h 'v1')...

Over that quarter century since 1995, the original design of s@h has held up remarkably well spanning from the days of 14kbit/s dialup internet and the WUs taking a month of CPU time, to now enjoying the vast power and rates and Gigabit/s we have today. Remarkably, all on the same one s@h database!...


So, for our pause-for-thought during a hibernation, what ideas do we have from us users?


Can I start the ball of ideas rolling with:

  • Usefully 'bigger' or more 'compute intensive' WUs to make further use of our ever increasing compute power?

  • Yet also some 'smaller' WUs (different processing) to still take advantage of the lower power abilities of the vast expanse of mobile devices?



And to maintain continuity for the s@h project:


  • A list in the profiles for our present users listing how many WUs (and of which types) have been successfully processed by that user and the credits and CPU time donated?

  • Also include the latest/last RAC achieved by that user?

  • Monthly updates during the hibernation for s@h news and directions?




What do you all think?

What would you like to see next?

And how??


Keep searchin'!
Martin



All you proposed and something more!
135) 留言板 : Number crunching : 20th Anniversary T-shirts (消息 2036721)
发表于:8 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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Definitely should do a

"Seti@Home 1999-2020
- almost 21 years..."


;^)


+++!!!!
136) 留言板 : News : SETI@home hibernation (消息 2036714)
发表于:8 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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Well, I hope SETI boards will alive still. Would be good if SETI core team will still post updates from time to time on Nebula or alternative SETI projects.
And maybe some volunteer involvment would be still possible in some new form.
137) 留言板 : News : SETI@home hibernation (消息 2036713)
发表于:8 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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Oops......

We're excited to finish up our original science project, and we look forward to what comes next.

It should be new search with new types of patterns and new freq. bands.
138) 留言板 : Cafe SETI : 8 March! (消息 2036711)
发表于:8 Mar 2020 作者: Profile Raistmer
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Happy 8 March, Womans of Project!



139) 留言板 : Number crunching : Happy New Year!!! (消息 2025749)
发表于:31 Dec 2019 作者: Profile Raistmer
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Traditionally ;), Happy New Year from Moscow!!!

This year we have one more extra day to find, lets meet ET at last!!!!

All the best!!! Peace and prosperity to all! And lets mind governs our live not animal instints legacy.
140) 留言板 : Number crunching : Optimal mid-high to high (~7k $) GPU + CPU computing station (消息 2022337)
发表于:8 Dec 2019 作者: Profile Raistmer
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Thanks for hint, now I'm know in what side to look :)
New models appeared I was not aware of.

Hello
I would ask some advise what are current best in performance per $ (initial cost only, electricity not counted ) metric CPU, GPU and memory (+mobo to support selected computing devices).
It depends very much on the software for the CPU work. If it makes use of AVX 512, then an Intel HEDT (High End Desk Top) CPU is the only option, the performance is huge.


Otherwise, given the price limitations, a Ryzen9 would be the way to go (or a Threadripper or low end Epyc system if more funds can be made available).


The amount of system memory required would once again depend on the CPU software being used- how much does it need?
If the GPU software makes use of Double Precision, then go with a desktop AMD GPU, Single Precision then Nvidia RTX 270 Super (or RTX 280Ti if funds allow).


It's going to be a juggling act between how much CPU performance is required, and how much GPU performance, and trading off between those 2 to fit within your budget.


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