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Intelligent design does not provide any information on the "intelligent" force driving ID theory. We can reconcile ID and evolution by simply proposing that the "intelligent" forces driving ID are, in fact evolutionary forces...
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And you can't have a scientific theory in which one parameter (the designer) is not defined but can take any value you feel like...
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There is observation of intelligent design.
This simple statement is very true.
ID, you have to give us more than this if we are to have a reasoned discussion. Its clear you feel that you have strong evidence for ID. Could you just provide some detail on the observation of ID you refer to so that we can discuss it?
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OK. Whats the evidence of ID happening? When was this ID event observed?
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No one working in the lab or in the field has ever seen ID happen. There is no evidence of species arising spontaneously in the fossil record. No newly created species have ever suddenly appeared on earth and been recorded in written or oral history of the earth. There is no evidence of any external force/agent/being exerting force on the earth. There is no evidence for the existence of god or other creators. Genetic analysis of species shows no evidence of design. ID fails, and in fact refuses, to provide any information on the nature of the designer. ID fails to make any testable predictions which can be proved or falsified by evidence. The inability to present any experiment/manipulation which can prove or disprove ID makes the hypothesis unfalsifiable and therefore it cannot be counted as a scientific hypothesis.
GO RED SOX!
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You have a blind faith that there is a god. You cannot prove that god exists. Therefore, you have no evidence to support your faith. You accuse everyone else of having blind faith, but it is you who are blind. You only view things from the confines of religion. Religion is not a requirement for being a moral human being. Free yourself!
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It would be nice to remain on topic but this thread has made it clear tthat there is no good evidence for ID. So what else can we talk about?
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Just realised I've been hitting the quote button. Sorry for filling up your screens with all that repeated stuff in my replies.
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I'll turn this around for you all.
You all are so ingrained to believe that there is no design. I have shown you all many times the very design. You reject it for your government run indoctrination systems beliefs.
None of you will come out of this mold the system has created for you.
I was once a believer of neo-darwinism. What changed my mind is odds. If something cannot happen within the lifetime of the universe it will not happen. I have clearly seen with my own two designed eyes that none of you have bothered to talk about the math. I posted it and shut you down after that post.
Lets talk about that math shall we? I was overzealous in shutting you down on this, my apologies.....
Sorry, but you have provided no evidence for design, just philosophical arguments. And your statistical argument is wrong. Try to step away from this dogmatic belief in ID and ask yourself this question - Why would scientists have worked so hard since Darwin to deliberately promote an incorrect theory (evolution) and how would they have sustained such a conspiracy?
Do you have ANY proof of one species changing into another?
its called divergence. Look it up. there is no 1 species changing to another
Neo-Darwinism claims that one cell in our distant past changed into all the life we see today.
There is no proof of this. I'm sorry but you don't seem to understand what you belive in. There would be creationist, 7 day plan. There would be young earthers. There would be me and my belief in Intelligent Design, that would be billions of years. Then there is just Darwinism, I believe in this also. Then there would be Neo-Darwinism, the place you have said you belong.
If I have left something out please inform me so I don't make the same mistake again.
However, Neo-Darwinism does claim (without proof) that all life came from a single cell in our distant past. This tells us that life has indeed changed by one species turning into another over a long time.
This would be the second time I have told you this. If your belief system has changed or if I have misunderstood please let me know, as I said I don't wish to be mistaken about this....
Species do not evolve into other species. Rather, a part of a single species, subjected to selection pressure, separates into a separate species. We have evolved from gorillas, but gorillas still exist. They did not evolve into humans.
(smile) One cell from our distant past gave us all we see as far as life goes, so says Neo-Darwinism.
Silly word games of yours amount to exactly what I have already said. One species changing into another.
You have no proof. You have no proof we have evolved from gorillas.
So provide proof that both gorillas and humans were designed by an external agency.
The best evidence/argument for intelligent design is that you have no evidence/argument for Neo-Darwinism.
I have provided evidence in the form of the wild rose.
You have NOthing for Neo-Darwinism OTHER than PURE faith in it.
I call provide proof of same form of life both below and above the K.T. Boundary.
Show me them cards or fold out of the game....
You logic is faulty. Even if there was no evidence for evolution, the absence of that evidence does not automatically make ID right. You must provide evidence for ID.
Further, your example of the rose is proof that evolutionary forces can shape the DNA of a species to chnage its function. There was no ID involved in this process. The original humans who domesticated the rose did not design it. Therefore, your hypothesis concerning ID is falsified.
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I'll turn this around for you all.
You all are so ingrained to believe that there is no design. I have shown you all many times the very design. You reject it for your government run indoctrination systems beliefs.
None of you will come out of this mold the system has created for you.
I was once a believer of neo-darwinism. What changed my mind is odds. If something cannot happen within the lifetime of the universe it will not happen. I have clearly seen with my own two designed eyes that none of you have bothered to talk about the math. I posted it and shut you down after that post.
Lets talk about that math shall we? I was overzealous in shutting you down on this, my apologies.....
Sorry, but you have provided no evidence for design, just philosophical arguments. And your statistical argument is wrong. Try to step away from this dogmatic belief in ID and ask yourself this question - Why would scientists have worked so hard since Darwin to deliberately promote an incorrect theory (evolution) and how would they have sustained such a conspiracy?
Do you have ANY proof of one species changing into another?
Yes, enough proof to be sure that evolution explains genetic diversity whereas ID explains nothing. But its pointless to show it to you since you immediately reject it. Your mind is closed to reasoned argument. Which raises the question of why I am wasting my time discussing this with you when I could be having a nice cold beer...
ID: How does your theory explain how we got from single cell organisms (about 3.2 billion years ago) to humans (about 100,000 years ago). How does ID give rise to all the intervening species over 3.5 billion years? Is each one created at a particular point in time? It would be good if you could add some details to help us understand how ID gives rise to the diverse range of organisms we see today (and in the fossil record). And please, no links. Just a brief explanation!
Please excuse me while I ponder why I have bothered to understand your point of view and yet you have not bothered to to understand mine. I have studied yours yet I am accused of not understanding yours. I have cracked many books about your line of thought and you haven't even bothered even a google search. Please excuse me while I ponder why.....
65 million years ago almost all life on this rock was destroyed. This wasn't the first time either. After this event, 65 million years ago, life was restarted. I say restarted because we cannot find an exact copy of one line after the K.T. boundary. This fact rejects the Neo-Darwinism line of thought of one cell changing into many forms of life.
Ponder the wild rose. That plant has been fostered into many colors and has little resemblance to the original plant, the wild rose. By design of man it is what it is today. You give one every year to your wife on Valentine's day.
You correctly say over 3 billion years life has been on the third rock from our sun. Yet a short 65 million years from almost nothing left of life we see the abundance of life we have today.
I'm real good at the game of poker. So good no one wants to play that game with me. I understand the odds and I can read people across the table from me. I count cards and project odds in my head.
You don't have that inside straight.
I call.....
I believe in many lines and the guiding hand of a Causal Agent, just like the wild rose.
The K/T boundary event (i.e. asteroid impact) did not leave almost no life. About 75% of species dissappear at the boundary, including dinosaurs etc. However, small mammals survived and went on to expand across the earth. Many species can be identfied on both sides of the K/T boundary. You should check the fossil record data before making such unsubstantiated claims. The disapperance of large predators at the K/T boundary allowed an explosion in life forms simply because of the complete transformation of the environment, which favored their survival. There is no evidence that someone came along and designed a new set of species, since we can see that they were already present before the K/T event. Therefore, your hypothesis of ID after the K/T boundary is falsified.
You have no exact copy of life both below and above the K.T. boundary.
You lecture me on reading up on ID and yet you can't even be bothered to check this single fact about species surviving across the K/T boundary. Try this for a summary of survivors
http://palaeo.gly.bris.ac.uk/communication/goddard/page1.html
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I'll turn this around for you all.
You all are so ingrained to believe that there is no design. I have shown you all many times the very design. You reject it for your government run indoctrination systems beliefs.
None of you will come out of this mold the system has created for you.
I was once a believer of neo-darwinism. What changed my mind is odds. If something cannot happen within the lifetime of the universe it will not happen. I have clearly seen with my own two designed eyes that none of you have bothered to talk about the math. I posted it and shut you down after that post.
Lets talk about that math shall we? I was overzealous in shutting you down on this, my apologies.....
Sorry, but you have provided no evidence for design, just philosophical arguments. And your statistical argument is wrong. Try to step away from this dogmatic belief in ID and ask yourself this question - Why would scientists have worked so hard since Darwin to deliberately promote an incorrect theory (evolution) and how would they have sustained such a conspiracy?
Do you have ANY proof of one species changing into another?
its called divergence. Look it up. there is no 1 species changing to another
Neo-Darwinism claims that one cell in our distant past changed into all the life we see today.
There is no proof of this. I'm sorry but you don't seem to understand what you belive in. There would be creationist, 7 day plan. There would be young earthers. There would be me and my belief in Intelligent Design, that would be billions of years. Then there is just Darwinism, I believe in this also. Then there would be Neo-Darwinism, the place you have said you belong.
If I have left something out please inform me so I don't make the same mistake again.
However, Neo-Darwinism does claim (without proof) that all life came from a single cell in our distant past. This tells us that life has indeed changed by one species turning into another over a long time.
This would be the second time I have told you this. If your belief system has changed or if I have misunderstood please let me know, as I said I don't wish to be mistaken about this....
Species do not evolve into other species. Rather, a part of a single species, subjected to selection pressure, separates into a separate species. We have evolved from gorillas, but gorillas still exist. They did not evolve into humans.
(smile) One cell from our distant past gave us all we see as far as life goes, so says Neo-Darwinism.
Silly word games of yours amount to exactly what I have already said. One species changing into another.
You have no proof. You have no proof we have evolved from gorillas.
So provide proof that both gorillas and humans were designed by an external agency.
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I'll turn this around for you all.
You all are so ingrained to believe that there is no design. I have shown you all many times the very design. You reject it for your government run indoctrination systems beliefs.
None of you will come out of this mold the system has created for you.
I was once a believer of neo-darwinism. What changed my mind is odds. If something cannot happen within the lifetime of the universe it will not happen. I have clearly seen with my own two designed eyes that none of you have bothered to talk about the math. I posted it and shut you down after that post.
Lets talk about that math shall we? I was overzealous in shutting you down on this, my apologies.....
Sorry, but you have provided no evidence for design, just philosophical arguments. And your statistical argument is wrong. Try to step away from this dogmatic belief in ID and ask yourself this question - Why would scientists have worked so hard since Darwin to deliberately promote an incorrect theory (evolution) and how would they have sustained such a conspiracy?
Do you have ANY proof of one species changing into another?
Yes, enough proof to be sure that evolution explains genetic diversity whereas ID explains nothing. But its pointless to show it to you since you immediately reject it. Your mind is closed to reasoned argument. Which raises the question of why I am wasting my time discussing this with you when I could be having a nice cold beer...
ID: How does your theory explain how we got from single cell organisms (about 3.2 billion years ago) to humans (about 100,000 years ago). How does ID give rise to all the intervening species over 3.5 billion years? Is each one created at a particular point in time? It would be good if you could add some details to help us understand how ID gives rise to the diverse range of organisms we see today (and in the fossil record). And please, no links. Just a brief explanation!
Please excuse me while I ponder why I have bothered to understand your point of view and yet you have not bothered to to understand mine. I have studied yours yet I am accused of not understanding yours. I have cracked many books about your line of thought and you haven't even bothered even a google search. Please excuse me while I ponder why.....
65 million years ago almost all life on this rock was destroyed. This wasn't the first time either. After this event, 65 million years ago, life was restarted. I say restarted because we cannot find an exact copy of one line after the K.T. boundary. This fact rejects the Neo-Darwinism line of thought of one cell changing into many forms of life.
Ponder the wild rose. That plant has been fostered into many colors and has little resemblance to the original plant, the wild rose. By design of man it is what it is today. You give one every year to your wife on Valentine's day.
You correctly say over 3 billion years life has been on the third rock from our sun. Yet a short 65 million years from almost nothing left of life we see the abundance of life we have today.
I'm real good at the game of poker. So good no one wants to play that game with me. I understand the odds and I can read people across the table from me. I count cards and project odds in my head.
You don't have that inside straight.
I call.....
I believe in many lines and the guiding hand of a Causal Agent, just like the wild rose.
The K/T boundary event (i.e. asteroid impact) did not leave almost no life. About 75% of species dissappear at the boundary, including dinosaurs etc. However, small mammals survived and went on to expand across the earth. Many species can be identfied on both sides of the K/T boundary. You should check the fossil record data before making such unsubstantiated claims. The disapperance of large predators at the K/T boundary allowed an explosion in life forms simply because of the complete transformation of the environment, which favored their survival. There is no evidence that someone came along and designed a new set of species, since we can see that they were already present before the K/T event. Therefore, your hypothesis of ID after the K/T boundary is falsified.
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I'll turn this around for you all.
You all are so ingrained to believe that there is no design. I have shown you all many times the very design. You reject it for your government run indoctrination systems beliefs.
None of you will come out of this mold the system has created for you.
I was once a believer of neo-darwinism. What changed my mind is odds. If something cannot happen within the lifetime of the universe it will not happen. I have clearly seen with my own two designed eyes that none of you have bothered to talk about the math. I posted it and shut you down after that post.
Lets talk about that math shall we? I was overzealous in shutting you down on this, my apologies.....
Sorry, but you have provided no evidence for design, just philosophical arguments. And your statistical argument is wrong. Try to step away from this dogmatic belief in ID and ask yourself this question - Why would scientists have worked so hard since Darwin to deliberately promote an incorrect theory (evolution) and how would they have sustained such a conspiracy?
Do you have ANY proof of one species changing into another?
Yes, enough proof to be sure that evolution explains genetic diversity whereas ID explains nothing. But its pointless to show it to you since you immediately reject it. Your mind is closed to reasoned argument. Which raises the question of why I am wasting my time discussing this with you when I could be having a nice cold beer...
ID: How does your theory explain how we got from single cell organisms (about 3.2 billion years ago) to humans (about 100,000 years ago). How does ID give rise to all the intervening species over 3.5 billion years? Is each one created at a particular point in time? It would be good if you could add some details to help us understand how ID gives rise to the diverse range of organisms we see today (and in the fossil record). And please, no links. Just a brief explanation!
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I'll turn this around for you all.
You all are so ingrained to believe that there is no design. I have shown you all many times the very design. You reject it for your government run indoctrination systems beliefs.
None of you will come out of this mold the system has created for you.
I was once a believer of neo-darwinism. What changed my mind is odds. If something cannot happen within the lifetime of the universe it will not happen. I have clearly seen with my own two designed eyes that none of you have bothered to talk about the math. I posted it and shut you down after that post.
Lets talk about that math shall we? I was overzealous in shutting you down on this, my apologies.....
Sorry, but you have provided no evidence for design, just philosophical arguments. And your statistical argument is wrong. Try to step away from this dogmatic belief in ID and ask yourself this question - Why would scientists have worked so hard since Darwin to deliberately promote an incorrect theory (evolution) and how would they have sustained such a conspiracy?
Do you have ANY proof of one species changing into another?
its called divergence. Look it up. there is no 1 species changing to another
Neo-Darwinism claims that one cell in our distant past changed into all the life we see today.
There is no proof of this. I'm sorry but you don't seem to understand what you belive in. There would be creationist, 7 day plan. There would be young earthers. There would be me and my belief in Intelligent Design, that would be billions of years. Then there is just Darwinism, I believe in this also. Then there would be Neo-Darwinism, the place you have said you belong.
If I have left something out please inform me so I don't make the same mistake again.
However, Neo-Darwinism does claim (without proof) that all life came from a single cell in our distant past. This tells us that life has indeed changed by one species turning into another over a long time.
This would be the second time I have told you this. If your belief system has changed or if I have misunderstood please let me know, as I said I don't wish to be mistaken about this....
Species do not evolve into other species. Rather, a part of a single species, subjected to selection pressure, separates into a separate species. We have evolved from gorillas, but gorillas still exist. They did not evolve into humans.
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I'll turn this around for you all.
You all are so ingrained to believe that there is no design. I have shown you all many times the very design. You reject it for your government run indoctrination systems beliefs.
None of you will come out of this mold the system has created for you.
I was once a believer of neo-darwinism. What changed my mind is odds. If something cannot happen within the lifetime of the universe it will not happen. I have clearly seen with my own two designed eyes that none of you have bothered to talk about the math. I posted it and shut you down after that post.
Lets talk about that math shall we? I was overzealous in shutting you down on this, my apologies.....
Sorry, but you have provided no evidence for design, just philosophical arguments. And your statistical argument is wrong. Try to step away from this dogmatic belief in ID and ask yourself this question - Why would scientists have worked so hard since Darwin to deliberately promote an incorrect theory (evolution) and how would they have sustained such a conspiracy?
Do you have ANY proof of one species changing into another?
Yes, enough proof to be sure that evolution explains genetic diversity whereas ID explains nothing. But its pointless to show it to you since you immediately reject it. Your mind is closed to reasoned argument. Which raises the question of why I am wasting my time discussing this with you when I could be having a nice cold beer...
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I'll turn this around for you all.
You all are so ingrained to believe that there is no design. I have shown you all many times the very design. You reject it for your government run indoctrination systems beliefs.
None of you will come out of this mold the system has created for you.
I was once a believer of neo-darwinism. What changed my mind is odds. If something cannot happen within the lifetime of the universe it will not happen. I have clearly seen with my own two designed eyes that none of you have bothered to talk about the math. I posted it and shut you down after that post.
Lets talk about that math shall we? I was overzealous in shutting you down on this, my apologies.....
Sorry, but you have provided no evidence for design, just philosophical arguments. And your statistical argument is wrong. Try to step away from this dogmatic belief in ID and ask yourself this question - Why would scientists have worked so hard since Darwin to deliberately promote an incorrect theory (evolution) and how would they have sustained such a conspiracy?
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ALERT NEW NPR Confirms INTELLIGENT DESIGN in Interview
No it doesn't.
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The best evidence/argument for intelligent design is that, because biological sytems look complex, they must have been designed. Therefore, Darwin and the other 30,000 or so evolutionary biologists are wrong. ID postulates design, but does not provide evidence that they shows different species were designed. You may as well postulate that life started yesterday at 8am EST, with everything and everyone designed, including all the preprogrammed memories to convince us that we were born 53 years ago (or however old you are now!). This is just as good as, and as unprovable as, ID. ID provides no evidence that systems are, in fact designed rather than resulting from long term evolutionary pressure exerted on the underlying DNA sequence.
Show us the proof....
Not true, and you know it....
“God has given us more than fourteen billion cells and connections in our brain. Why would God give us such a complex organ system unless he expects us to use it?â€
~ Dr. Benjamin Carson (world-renowned pediatric neurosurgeon)
You offer an opinion by a neurosurgeon. His opinion is not evidence or proof for design. It poses a question which assumes that god created all this stuff. Show me the evidence that life was designed. And those complex philosophical circular arguments by Dembski are not proof...
Designed
By the numbers...
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Is that Zeeeeeeee or Zeddddddddddd?
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I nominate the poorly designed DNA molecule and the DNA replication machinery. Cells keep making errors in copying the DNA, leading to cancer. And then there's all those nasty inherited diseases caused by mutations in genes. Could have designed a much better DNA proof reading mechanism. And got to agree that using the spinal column, which was designed for 4 legged animals, for humans is poor engineering. And my personal favorite, why 2 kidneys but only 1 heart? And why can the liver regenerate itself but other organs can't? Why not give us some back up organs and better repair functions.
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