Posts by KWSN - MajorKong

1) Message boards : Politics : North Korea Part 3 (Message 1913523)
Posted 11 hours ago by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Don't you have to know the target before you can shoot it down? They are not like an standard artillery or mortar shell, which follows a 'fixed' path.

It could be just a test, as with the previous launches.

Are you sure, the ICBM's used by both of our countries have multiple targeted warheads, that don't separate until they are on the downward part of the journey.
Major Kong or anyone else have a thought on this?


Don't you have to know the target before you can shoot it down?


Uhh... no. Not at all if you can catch the ICBM during the boost phase. Otherwise, you might could shoot it down, if you have sufficient ABM assets close enough to the target.

the ICBM's used by both of our countries have multiple targeted warheads, that don't separate until they are on the downward part of the journey.


Uhhh... No. The USA no longer has ANY ICBMs that are fitted with MIRVs. SLBMs yes, but with reduced numbers per missile... But ICBMs... None at all.

UPDATE 9/27/17: View our recently-released visualization of the US nuclear arsenal for a breakdown of every bomb and warhead in the US arsenal.

The United States last week finished removing the last MIRV (multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle) from its Minuteman 3 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs); these missiles will now each carry a single warhead. The move was the fulfillment of a promise the Obama administration made in its 2010 Nuclear Posture Review, which stated that it would “enhance the stability of the nuclear balance by reducing the incentives for either side to strike first.”

https://allthingsnuclear.org/emacdonald/the-end-of-mirvs-for-u-s-icbms
2) Message boards : Politics : North Korea Part 3 (Message 1912919)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Sorry USA, Nixon isn't going to speak ...
https://seanmunger.com/2014/02/20/we-interrupt-this-program-the-terrifying-ebs-false-alarm-of-1971/


Oh, I remember THAT one.... Scary.
3) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1912843)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Anybody NOT remember Bobby Kennedy? Or is that a sacrosanct period in American History?

There is a difference.
Bobby Kennedy pursued his own political career.
Could you say the same about Ivanka, Donald JR and Eric Trump?


That's not really a difference.


Prior to being nominated USAG by his brother JFK and confirmed by the US Senate (by a voice vote due to his father's string-pulling instead of the customary roll-call vote) RFK had NO previous experience in either an elected or appointed position in Government or in a courtroom (lawyer or judge) prior to being US Attorney General. His sole other political experience was as a US Senator (1965-1968 -- half a term) prior to being assassinated in 1968 just after (a few minutes) winning the California Democratic primary for President. Had he not been assassinated, it is quite possible he would have been President from 1969 - ?? instead of Nixon.

You can't say the same about Trump's kids... yet... Trump is still POTUS. Give it a few years and see what they do. Besides, of the three, the only one with any sort of official position is Ivanka and she refuses to draw a salary.
4) Message boards : Politics : Another example of USA Gun Laws (or lack of...)? (Message 1912161)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Political Parties?
Those who decide, no matter what party, simply don't dare to challenge the weapon lobby, NRA and the part of the American people prepared to defend the US constitution's Second Amendment to the last bullit. An addition that states that it is every American's right to carry weapons. Many consider it holy even though it came in a completely different era, 1791.
Perhaps it was necessary to carry weapons in the American Revolution and the Civil War even in the aftermath of them.
But in the 21C? Get real!
The US now have a Police Force and an Army to protect US citizens.

BOY! Are you ever way out in left field. The police force and/or Army would not get there in time to protect someone in harms way. It's happened in the past and will happen in the future. I much prefer to be able to protect my own and my property and not rely on the police to get here in 20 minutes or so, after I'm dead or dying. This per our Constitution.
Siran

Well then. Scrap your Police force and the Army and save a LOT of US tax payers money.
Hooray!



You are beginning to get the idea...
5) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1911323)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Ya know its funny, they bitch scream and howl when H didn't release classified info on Bengazzi and bitch scream and howl because some low level swamp rat aid sent her e-mail server an e-mail with classified info. Remember it is the person who sent the info to the server that did the crime.


Unless the info was sent on the orders of someone else... Then BOTH are up the creek without a boat.... if for nothing else then 'conspiracy to commit...'.


And besides.... 'low level swamp rat'???

Clinton's deputy chief of staff during her tenure as Sec. of State (not to mention wife of a member of the U.S. House of Representatives)..... swamp rat, sure... low level? hardly.
6) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1911264)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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I wilI still postulate that there is a possibility that the basis of most of the Never Trump hysteria by the Democratic Party and their spokespersons, the Mainstream Media. Is just an attempt to save Hillary, the FBI Leadership, et al. From possible criminal indictments.


Isn't that just what Nixon did? Remember? Several members (including G. Gordon Liddy) of CREEP (Committee to RE-Elect the President) got caught doing a break-in of the DNC headquarters in the Watergate building.

If Nixon had just fired them, and let them twist in the wind, all would have been well... But......

Nixon tried to shield them from Criminal indictments and in so doing committed the crimes that kinda forced the impending impeachment proceedings that led to his resignation.

Now we have the Democrats (including Obama) that have been trying to do everything they can to shield the Clintons (especially Ms. Clinton) from Criminal indictments over the things she did.

Its an inverse-Watergate. ROFLMAO.
7) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1911050)
Posted 12 days ago by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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AND for the anti Trumpets....Christopher Steele (the 'Dossier' originator) is now under criminal referral for lying to the feds......
If that is the case, then your own DoJ is in serious trouble :-)

"He added: "After reviewing how Mr Steele conducted himself in distributing information contained in the dossier and how many stop signs the DoJ ignored in its use of the dossier, I believe that a special counsel needs to review this matter."


Yes, it is... Particularly former US Attorney General Loretta Lynch who was head of the DoJ during that time. Another in a list of highly questionable things she is accused of doing... IMO, time for a Court of Law to examine the matter. The Court of Public Opinion does no one any good.
8) Message boards : Politics : North Korea Part 3 (Message 1910933)
Posted 12 days ago by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Add Xi's illegal expansion into the South China Seas
Do you have a case citation for that?



https://pca-cpa.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/175/2016/07/PH-CN-20160712-Press-Release-No-11-English.pdf

Historic Rights and the ‘Nine-Dash Line’:
The Tribunal found that it has jurisdiction to consider the Parties’ dispute concerning historic rights and the source of maritime entitlements in the South China Sea. On the merits, the Tribunal concluded that the Convention comprehensively allocates rights to maritime areas and that protections for pre-existing rights to resources were considered, but not adopted in the Convention. Accordingly, the Tribunal concluded that, to the extent China had historic rights to resources in the waters of the South China Sea, such rights were extinguished to the extent they were incompatible with the exclusive economic zones provided for in the Convention. The Tribunal also noted that, although Chinese navigators and fishermen, as well as those of other States, had historically made use of the islands in the South China Sea, there was no evidence that China had historically exercised exclusive control over the waters or their resources. The Tribunal concluded that there was no legal basis for China to claim historic rights to resources within the sea areas falling within the ‘nine-dash line’.


Case citation....
9) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1910608)
Posted 13 days ago by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Guessing we will have to endure the continued hysterical political suicide of the Never Trumpers.
Or much worse, your anarchistic views for the next 36 months.


Since when is wanting a slightly LESS powerful Government 'anarchistic'? A smaller Government with less concentration of power is still a Government. Anarchy is NO Government... Or, at least this Libertarian Minarchist (me) so believes...


Which is better: Freedom and Liberty? Or, the illusion of temporary safety lasting only until the Government gathers enough power onto itself to make slaves of the People?

Are you closer to being a Hobbesian or a Lockean? That is the core question.

And hence it is that he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power does thereby put himself into a state of war with him; it being to be understood as a declaration of a design upon his life. For I have reason to conclude that he who would get me into his power without my consent would use me as he pleased when he had got me there, and destroy me too when he had a fancy to it; for nobody can desire to have me in his absolute power unless it be to compel me by force to that which is against the right of my freedom- i.e. make me a slave. To be free from such force is the only security of my preservation, and reason bids me look on him as an enemy to my preservation who would take away that freedom which is the fence to it; so that he who makes an attempt to enslave me thereby puts himself into a state of war with me. He that in the state of Nature would take away the freedom that belongs to any one in that state must necessarily be supposed to have a design to take away everything else, that freedom being the foundation of all the rest; as he that in the state of society would take away the freedom belonging to those of that society or commonwealth must be supposed to design to take away from them everything else, and so be looked on as in a state of war.


Locke -- Second Treatise on Government, section 17

or

For men, as they become at last weary of irregular jostling and hewing one another, and desire with all their hearts to conform themselves into one firm and lasting edifice
[...]
I observe the diseases of a Commonwealth that proceed from the poison of seditious doctrines, whereof one is that every private man is judge of good and evil actions.
[...]
Another infirmity of a Commonwealth is the immoderate greatness of a town, when it is able to furnish out of its own circuit the number and expense of a great army; as also the great number of corporations, which are as it were many lesser Commonwealths in the bowels of a greater, like worms in the entrails of a natural man. To may be added, liberty of disputing against absolute power by pretenders to political prudence; which though bred for the most part in the lees of the people, yet animated by false doctrines are perpetually meddling with the fundamental laws, to the molestation of the Commonwealth, like the little worms which physicians call ascarides.


Hobbes -- Leviathan, parts of Ch. 29

??


Further reading on the subject.
https://jim.com/hobbes.htm
10) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1910047)
Posted 16 days ago by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Whilst I think I know what you are trying to say, it is a very odd way of saying it.

Left Wing Nazi Type supporters.


I realise you use the word "type" but to me it just does not work, Nazis and left wing in the same sentence.

Nazis are, and forever will be right wing and are as far away from the left as any two ideologies can really be.

I know you believe the end results of either will be the same.

However lumping them together does not get your point across very clearly.

I suppose that is another "difference" between our cultures.


Bernie,

Perhaps this diagram might make things a little clearer...

11) Message boards : Politics : 45 LOVERS and 45 NON-LOVERS Thread.....DREE THEIR WEIRDs (Message 1907077)
Posted 14 Dec 2017 by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Democrat Jones problem. Is just the necessary resistance to the Democrat Party,

So you admit to supporting the KKK as necessary resistance. That's deplorable.


No, betreger... he is supporting the necessary resistance to the KKK (the paramilitary wing of the DEMOCRAT party... or do you not remember History?).



U.S. Senator Robert Byrd... Yes, he CLAIMS to have left the KKK back in 1943... BUT, as recently as 2001 was still publicly using the 'n-word' (in a news interview).

Byrd was so bad that the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Thomas 'Tip' O'Neill used to call him 'Sheets'.
12) Message boards : Politics : Another example of USA Gun Laws (or lack of...)? (Message 1906525)
Posted 11 Dec 2017 by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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At what point up the weapons ladder do you stop, machine gun, rpg, mortar, weapons that can be mounted on a F150 truck or equivalent?



Which firearms are regulated under the NFA?

(1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;

(2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;

(3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;

(4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;

(5) any other weapon, as defined in subsection (e);

(6) a machinegun;

(7) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and

(8) a destructive device.

[26 U.S.C. 5845; 27 CFR 479.11]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/which-firearms-are-regulated-under-nfa

Pretty much your entire list is (assuming all other qualifications are met) available to be privately owned by people in the USA. However they are NOT very common. The other qualifications include, but are not limited to, people that have squeaky-clean criminal records AND are pretty rich AND have the approval of the County Sheriff in which they live (or OTHER chief law enforcement officer for said jurisdiction). Note: there are quite a number of Sheriffs that oppose this and do not grant approval on ANY private citizen in their jurisdictions. A number of States also restrict NFA weapons.
13) Message boards : Politics : 45 LOVERS and 45 NON-LOVERS Thread.....DREE THEIR WEIRDs (Message 1905668)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Now then, are you all prepared to state that something can be legal, yet be immoral?

Major I am, laws can be immoral such as segregation laws as an example.


Yes, what one person/group considers immoral might not be considered immoral by another person/group. This has implications well beyond the subject at hand. You REALLY wanna go there?

I don't. We kinda have to go by what the law says, and leave our personal feelings of immorality to ourselves. If you feel strongly enough that something is wrong, work toward getting the law changed. If a majority feels likewise, then so be it. Otherwise, grin and bear it.
14) Message boards : Politics : 45 LOVERS and 45 NON-LOVERS Thread.....DREE THEIR WEIRDs (Message 1905630)
Posted 8 Dec 2017 by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Has anybody here looked into what course will Alabama have to take if Moore is refused a seat.

While awaiting MajorKong's response.

But how would The Senate do that? They can't bar Moore from taking office. According to a 1969 U.S. Supreme Court decision Edit: Powell v. McCormack, 395 U.S. 486 (1969). Congress only can deny a seat to someone if that person doesn't meet the constitutional requirements of being a U.S. citizen, doesn't reside in the state he or she has been elected to represent, and in the case of a U.S. senator, isn't at least 30 years old.

While those invoking US Constitution Article 1, Section 5:

"Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member."

Yes... "disorderly Behaviour". Not Political or Social Speech, IE: Radical Left/Right, Anti White/Black, Anti Male/Female, et al beliefs.


Well, they can't really refuse Moore a seat... However, for their first piece of business.... they can expel him (2/3rds super-majority).

A replacement? Special election time (in Alabama), though the Governor of Alabama *can* make an interim appointment to the Senate to fill the seat, preserving the Constitutionally mandated equal representation in the US Senate until the next (special) election.

If Moore is elected by the People of the State of Alabama in the upcoming Special Election (Dec. 12, 2017), he goes to the U.S. Senate. If enough of the U.S. Senators (at least 67) disapprove, they can then hold a vote and expel Moore. The Governor of the State of Alabama can then appoint an interim U.S. Senator and then schedule another Special Election to fill the Seat at a later date, perhaps the next Regular Election for that seat (I think in Nov. of 2020). The State law in Alabama is rather vague, in most circumstances, about how long the Governor has to call a Special Election to fill a vacant U.S. Senate seat.


http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vacancies-in-the-united-states-senate.aspx
State - Alabama
Interim Gub. Appointment - Yes
Special Election must be held - On such a day as the governor may direct, unless vacancy occurs between 2 and 4 months before the next regularly-scheduled general election, in which case it is held at that election. If vacancy occurs within 60 days of the next regularly-scheduled general election, a special election must be held on the first Tuesday after 60 days have elapsed since the vacancy occurred.


Things really rest with the People of the State of Alabama. What do THEY want? Do THEY wanna keep the rest of the USA 'happy', or engage in a giant pissin' match?

Sorry, but all this comes down to THEIR choice, as it should.


Me, I'm not happy with Moore going around pork'in a bunch of 16-year-old girls back when he was in his 30's... but under the laws of the U.S. Federal Government and the State of Alabama (not to mention 30 other States) 16 is LEGAL. 31 States say the age of consent is 16. 11 States say it is 17 (Texas and New York among them). 8 States say it is 18 (California among them, I believe).

Now then, are you all prepared to state that something can be legal, yet be immoral? That can of worms has a LOT of other effects should you all decide to open it...
15) Message boards : Politics : 45 LOVERS and 45 NON-LOVERS Thread.....DREE THEIR WEIRDs (Message 1905398)
Posted 7 Dec 2017 by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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And the other king of Veracity jumps in.............deflecting again. [*]

JE... As confirmed by their last few posts. The Echo Chamber's continuous failed attempts to deflect from what they posted. Add the silence of those on the Left of the Political Spectrum in these forums and nationally regarding their ridiculous assertions.

Confirms why Trump is succeeding and will never be Impeached. The Echo Chamber in these Forums and Social Media, the Democrat Party's Leadership, the Never Trump Fake News Media's Hysteria, et al. Are the enablers of Trump.

The only question remaining is: Do they have the Intellectual Capacity to understand this?


Well this dem is smart enough to know hell I can make money outa nothing while the likes of Greenspan cry about how they missed out . Conservatives stuff everything up and are to slow to catch on guess what just hit $16,000+ and to think the CME futures market still has 10 days to go before it starts , so yep the Dems are smart enough they just have to wait like all those that have been waiting to become RICH

OPS it just hit $17,000


Glenn,

Bubbles pop.

Bitcoin going up this fast? Be afraid. Sell what you might have... NOW.
16) Message boards : Politics : North Korea II (Message 1905269)
Posted 7 Dec 2017 by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Neither do B83's and LGM-30's. O_o
I was trying for a scenario that didn't encourage the growth of 'Mushrooms'............


Sorry, but the scenario in current play involves 'mushroom growth'. No way to avoid it unless Kim grows up and gets wise rather fast.
17) Message boards : Politics : North Korea II (Message 1905249)
Posted 7 Dec 2017 by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Weather in February in Pyongyang
Normal Max/ High Temperature 1°C (34°F)
Average Temperature -4°C (24°F)
Min/ Low Temperature -10°C (14°F)
Normal Precipitation 13mm (0.5in)
Rainfall Days 3
Average Daylight per day 10:40
Sunny (Cloudy) Daylight Hours 64% (36%)
Which would make it a miserable time for half starved troops manning an artillery piece.......and Tomahawks and MOABs don't care.....


Neither do B83's and LGM-30's. O_o
18) Message boards : Politics : 45 LOVERS and 45 NON-LOVERS Thread.....DREE THEIR WEIRDs (Message 1905183)
Posted 6 Dec 2017 by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Charp; so glad you realize this act was passed by the Dim controlled congress and signed but gutlessly not acted on by Predator Bubba

Gosh, more fake news from the eyeball. 104th wasn't Dim controlled. Act was never signed.


It didn't have to be signed to become law.




US Constitution
Article I
Section 7
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States: If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.


Passed the US Senate on Oct. 23rd/24th, 1995
Passed the US House on Oct. 24th, 1995
Presented to the President on Oct. 26th, 1995
Became Law on Nov. 8th, 1995 without the Signature of the President due to it not being returned to the House of Congress that originated it (that is, vetoed) in the 10 day time frame (not including Sundays) and Congress was in session.

This was not a 'pocket veto' since Congress was not adjourned (which happens these days very rarely -- one reason that comes to mind... 'Recess Appointments').

Last time Congress was Adjourned was Dec. 18th 2015 to Jan. 4th 2016.

In 1995, (104th Congress) Congress was in session from Jan 4. 1995 through Oct. 4th, 1996.
19) Message boards : Politics : I hope that this cop gets to feel the full force of the law. #4 (Message 1903960)
Posted 30 Nov 2017 by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Michigan-man-suing-parking-ticket-pennies-defecate-12392629.php


Man gets a US$10.00 parking ticket. He goes to the courthouse to pay the fine. He tries to use his credit card and is informed by the court clerk that there would be a US$1.75 'processing fee' added. The man was not happy about it and left. I wouldn't be happier about it either... A 17.5 percent markup is somewhat excessive in my opinion. He returned shortly with cash to pay the fine... Penny rolls... yep, 1000 pennies.

The court clerk refused to accept them.

At this point, two court officers (police that work at the court house) approach him. One of the officers starts an argument with him. Then the man is told to leave.

As the man is peacefully leaving, the police officers follow him. As the man enters the entrance vestibule (with VERY limited CCTV camera coverage), one of the police officers grabs him from behind and starts choking the man. The officer chokes the man until he passes out (and poops his pants) and falls to the floor.

The man is then arrested on charges of assaulting/interfering with a police officer (a felony) and disturbing the peace (a minor misdemeanor). The man pleads no-contest to the 'disturbing the peace' charge in exchange for dropping the other, vastly more serious charge.

The man is now suing the court / court officer.

Oh, and by the way, the court officer that did the choke is the same one that searched/metal detected the man on his way in to the court house, so was sure that he had no weapons on him.
20) Message boards : Politics : 45 LOVERS and 45 NON-LOVERS Thread.....DREE THEIR WEIRDs (Message 1901951)
Posted 19 Nov 2017 by Profile KWSN - MajorKong
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Why any Democrat or Never Trumper would would wish a future Democrat President to be under the control/intimidation of their political opponents in Congress, is a good question.
The already are and have been since the Constitution became effective. Andrew Johnson and William Jefferson Clinton being examples. Are you proposing an Amendment?


In most all instances of 'power' in the US Federal Government, the President *should* be under the control of Congress, esp. the House (the People's elected representatives in Washington D.C.)

The President has almost no power that is not subject to Congress. About the only one NOT subject to the President either being told no by Congress or having to get Congress' permission is the power to issue Pardons. That is the only one that exclusively belongs to the President.

You want one person being a 'Leader'? Go move to a monarchy or a dictatorship somewhere (examples being Saudi Arabia or the DPRK).

Perhaps tRumpers and republicans feel the need to live under a monarchy or a dictatorship. I propose we relocate them to Saudi Arabia or the DPRK!


No problem with moving the R's IMO as long as one ALSO moves the D's. Let them all rot in an authoritarian hell.


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