Posts by Stephen!

1) Message boards : Technical News : Out of the fire and into the pit of sulfuric acid. (Feb 19, 2010) (Message 973208)
Posted 22 Feb 2010 by Profile Stephen!
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Not sure whatcha all are crying about. I just reported 37 results and downloaded 110 more tasks. Seems like everything is working fine...
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7's draconian DRM? (Message 868127)
Posted 22 Feb 2009 by Profile Stephen!
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Was that piece written by a third grader?
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Wierd Benchmarks... (Message 586612)
Posted 14 Jun 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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I have three different laptops running BOINC full time. For two of them *ALL* they do is run BOINC for SETI. I don't use them for anything else. Consequently, the software installed (and running) is bare bones minimum.

Here's a few specifics:

(My "On the Road" machine which is basically a mirror of my desktop machine but half as fast)
1.73 GHz Toshiba Satellite
Windows XP Home
1539 floating
3193 integer

(BOINC only)
1.070 GHz Toshiba Satellite with "504 MB RAM"
Windows XP Home
305 floating
512 integer

(BOINC only {after all, it *is* a only 400 MHz machine})
400 MHz Armada with "196.080 MB RAM"
Windows 2000 Professional
618 floating
1077 integer

I sure don't get how the 400 MHz machine with half the RAM can out perform the 1.07 GHz machine... Everything else runs relatively fast but the work units I'm getting for SETI are taking ~48 hours each to complete while the 400 Mhz machine is 'cranking' them out in a little over 20 hours...

Yes, I am *sure* there's nothing else running. I am quite familiar with msconfig. That's typically the *first* utility I run on any Winderz machine. :)

Oh... All three machines are using the same preferences...
4) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 570031)
Posted 18 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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I've made the key line bold. Change that line to 1.000000 (I believe the six trailing zeros are necessary). Save the file and exit. Restart BOINC. You should be able to download more work now.


Give the man a cigar! :)

After making the edit I went to see what the two laptops had for that value... (0.999821 and 0.999858)

By the time I returned to the desktop it had sixty-six hours of work stashed in its queue. All with a deadline of 05/29/2007. That's three times more work than it's had at any one time since I upgraded to 5.8.15. It requested just shy of sixty-eight hours (244,470 seconds) so that's not too bad...

Odd that it calculated such a low value. This thing sits here for ~21 hours a day doing nothing but SETI Boinc...

I wonder if I should suspend BOINC during the two or three times a week I play Half Life online with my son...?

Thanks!
5) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 570025)
Posted 18 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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I've made the key line bold. Change that line to 1.000000 (I believe the six trailing zeros are necessary). Save the file and exit. Restart BOINC. You should be able to download more work now.


Done... It's down to four hours remaining on the last unit so we'll see what happens from here... It's *trying* to get 244,255 seconds of work but can't get through... We'll see how much it really gets this time. :)


6) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 570024)
Posted 18 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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If you do get one of these, BOINC will refuse to get more work until it is completed.


I believe you that there are deadlines that short but I've yet to see one. Usually they are at least a week out, mostly two or three...


The second step is to figure out why your active_frac is so low. What is your setting for do work while user is active?


Processor usage
Do work while computer is running on batteries? yes
Do work while computer is in use? yes
Do work only between the hours of (no restriction)
Leave applications in memory while suspended? yes
Switch between applications every 60 minutes
On multiprocessors, use at most 2 processors
Use at most 100 percent of CPU time

7) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 569775)
Posted 17 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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I think AB is right. I think the "% of time BOINC client is running" and "while BOINC running, % of time work is allowed" are low, thus making BOINC think that the computer in question doesn't need any more work since it isn't running often enough to need more work cached.


How do I make it any better than this? (Keeping in mind I have over 20GB free on this drive)

Use at most 1 GB disk space
Leave at least 1 GB disk space free
Use at most 50% of total disk space
Write to disk at most every 60 seconds
Use at most 100% of page file (swap space)
Use at most 100% of memory when computer is in use
Use at most 100% of memory when computer is idle
8) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 569420)
Posted 17 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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A 10 day cache when there are 4.5 day deadlines? No wonder BOINC does not always ask for more work. Drop the cache to about a day.



Tried that, didn't help. It now has two units with a total of less than 20 hours of work remaining. Both units have a deadline of 13 June.

My laptop, *using the same preferences*, has 35 work units all with deadlines of 10 or 11 June.
9) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 569211)
Posted 17 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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Funny thing is, my laptop with a lot less MIPS than the desktop is sitting here with over 36 hours "To Completion" worth of units and is still requesting 727,660 seconds more work....


Even funnier... My 400MHz Armada has over 48 hours "To Completion" in its queue and is still requesting 658,925 seconds more. Yet my Main Machine sites here with less than 30 hours and wants no more...

Weird, eh?

Oh... They are all using the same 'default' preferences, BTW...

10) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 569207)
Posted 17 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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If Stephen! is using the screensaver and has work-while-in-use set to “no”, could it be one of those cases where BOINC decides that the screensaver kicking in constitutes user activity?


Never being one who gets turned on by shiney objects, my screen saver is a simple "Blank Screen"... :)

Besides, I have both active and not active set to 100%...
11) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 569206)
Posted 17 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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This is either a settings problem, or a run time issue. I am betting that the RAM usage or CPU usage settings are wrong. How much RAM do you have? What are the RAM usage settings for active and inactive?

Is the deadline January or November?


5/16/2007 22:20:58||Processor: 1 AuthenticAMD AMD Sempron(tm) 2800+
5/16/2007 22:20:58||Memory: 511.48 MB physical, 1.44 GB virtual
5/16/2007 22:20:58||Disk: 76.33 GB total, 22.16 GB free

Use at most 1 GB disk space
Leave at least 1 GB disk space free
Use at most 50% of total disk space
Write to disk at most every 60 seconds
Use at most 100% of page file (swap space)
Use at most 100% of memory when computer is in use
Use at most 100% of memory when computer is idle

Okay... Real life data and example.

BOINC ran out of work this evening:

5/16/2007 22:20:58|SETI@home|Requesting 864000 seconds of new work, and reporting 2 completed tasks

It received three units with a total "To Completion" time of 30 hours. (No where near the 240 hours it requested).

Now when it updates I get the "(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks)"...

Funny thing is, my laptop with a lot less MIPS than the desktop is sitting here with over 36 hours "To Completion" worth of units and is still requesting 727,660 seconds more work.... In fact, it's getting them right now... Twenty more units have just been added to it queue but my faster desktop is requesting no more... :(



12) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 569197)
Posted 17 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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What are the`deadlines?


01/11/2007 09:31:51


I'm concerned about the deadline. Didn't January 11th pass already?

[Edit] I just realized that could be November first too, depending on which method is used for dates.



Sorry... Typo on my part. It was 06/11/2007. It (along with another) are sitting ready to report now. :)

13) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 568530)
Posted 16 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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What is your connect every X?


I've tried everything from 0.01 to 10 with no change.


How many projects are attached?


One


What are the long_term debts (from the client_state.xml) associated with their projects?


<long_term_debt>0.000000</long_term_debt>



how much work is left on each task?


One remaining task with 00:53:25 remaining


What are the`deadlines?


01/11/2007 09:31:51


What are the resource shares for each project?


Only one project, 100%


What are the time_stats (from yhe client_state.xml)?

[/quote]

<time_stats>
<on_frac>0.999996</on_frac>
<connected_frac>0.999999</connected_frac>
<active_frac>0.000426</active_frac>
<cpu_efficiency>0.951876</cpu_efficiency>
<last_update>1194166889.048828</last_update>
</time_stats>

I am certain we will find it's not a setting or a usage problem. This very same machine, in the very same configuration, with the very same settings used to carry several days worth of work all the time. It stopped doing that and hasn't carried more than twenty hours or so since I updated to 5.8.15.

14) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 568337)
Posted 16 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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And this is the problem. S@H has some tasks with 4.5 day deadlines. If you get one of these, no more work from S@H will be downloaded until it is completed. The basic problem is trying to cache 10 days of work with 4.5 day deadlines. S@H needs daily connections because of te fairly short deadlines, and a connect every X no larger than a day and a half or so.


Right now I have one work unit (not including all the ones trying to upload). It has less than ten hours to completion and a report deadline of 11 June. BOINC is still telling me, "not requesting new work"...

?


15) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Not requesting new work - why? (Message 568333)
Posted 16 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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Why does it say, "not requesting new work" in response to my scheduler request? I haven't clicked the "No new tasks" button, the percentages listed under my computer are high (60%-ish).

No problems with my other computer, which is connected via cable modem and is also running 5.8.11. I think this problem began after I installed 5.8.11. No problems with this wireless setup before that. But now, it seems the only way I can get new work is to detach from the project and then attach again - which seems drastic.


I had (and am still having) the same problem (see "Even Before Thumper Died" from 07 May). Ever since I installed 5.8.15 the number of work units my fastest computer keeps in queue dropped. (Consequently, when Thumper died, my 400MHz laptop had several days of work left but this one ran out almost right away.)

I've tried setting the # of days to something much smaller than the '10' I was using and nothing changed. It still only downloaded one or two at a time. Hardly more than twenty hours of work was cached at any one time while both my laptops keep several days worth (with deadlines weeks in the future).

Right now I have one work unit that this machine is working on with a report deadline of 11 June. It has less than ten hours left until completion but BOINC is still telling me "not requesting new work".

Can't say as I 'get it'...
16) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 563362)
Posted 9 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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S@H needs daily connections because of te fairly short deadlines, and a connect every X no larger than a day and a half or so.


Cool... I'll give that a shot. Thanks.

Use a secondary project to get through outages (I have not noticed the outage at al).


There's more than one SETI project?

-Stephen!
17) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 562759)
Posted 8 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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Most slower machines will be delegated shorter workunits since they will take longer to crunch on those machines.


Hmmm... The number of work units wouldn't bother me so much except that I somehow knew I'd end up with 'nothing' to do if there was a server problem...

I like having ten days worth of work in queue. After I installed 5.8.15 the projected time for the completion of what I was carrying {Before Thumper Crash} was hardly over 20 hours.

I tried making special preferences for just this machine to force it to look for more work but that did no good. I tried to reset the project to force more work downloaded but that did no good. I even rolled back to 5.4.11 thinking the new version was messed up but that did no good either...

All it would do is report results and hardly ever request new work, even with only 20 hours worth of work in the queue...
18) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 562745)
Posted 8 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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What is the connect ever X days set to?


All three use the same default preferences which I have set for connect every 10 and cache 10 days' worth.


What version of BOINC?


It seems to me this started right after upgrading to version 5.8.15 which I installed on 28 March. A couple days later I noticed BOINC "reporting 3 results, not requesting any more work". Hardware all the same, background programs all the same. Benchmarks still blow the other two boxes away.

What other projects are you attached to?


I have three boxes running BOINC. All are dedicated to SETI. No other projects.

What are the long term debts of all projects?


You got me by the short hairs... No idea what that means.

What are the deadlines and remaining run times of all tasks for all projects?


On the machine with the problems? Zero. No tasks remaining.
19) Questions and Answers : Web site : Even before Thumper crashed... (Message 562485)
Posted 7 May 2007 by Profile Stephen!
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I have three boxes running BOINC. All are dedicated to SETI.

One is a Toshiba laptop (1500MHz), one is a scratch-built desktop (AMD 2800+), and the third is an old 400MHz Compaq.

For a few weeks prior to Thumper's demise I notcied the number of work units in the desktop's queue was getting progressivly smaller and smaller until there were only two or three at a time. Whereas the two laptops (ever so much slower than the desktop box) would have 20 or 30 work units waiting in queue...

'Course when Thumper crashed, the desktop promptly ran out of work while both laptops still have a few units remaining even today...

All three are using the "default" settings. I tried restarting BOINC and I tried restarting the computer.

It seems to me this started right after upgrading to version 5.8.15 so I removed it and reinstalled my previous version (5.4.11) to no avail...

When trying to force an update I'd get the ever famous "Not requesting new work.."

Any ideas?





 
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