121) 留言板 : Number crunching : Boinc, Boincmgr.exe and Boincview problems. (消息 54172) 发表于：15 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: > Greg, > > Which backup program are you using? Does it attempt to shutdown BOINC > itself or does it merely reboot the machine and startup the machine in a mode > where it is the only thing running? > On the Win98SE machines it is Drive Image 2002. That particular prog needs to be rebooted and the prog loads an image of a boot floppy to do the backup. The prog causes a reboot at a set time and the reboot is the thing that attempts to shut Boinc Manager down. Boinc manager WONT shut down under those circumstances. Even a simple Shut Down in the normal way via start button wont happen with Boinc manager running as it complains it has to be shut down first. I got Steve Gibson's Wizmo which forces a rude shutdown regardless of what is running and it is the only reliable way to shut the machine down without first exiting Boinc Manager. Note that if I DO exit Boinc Manager, I can shut down normally. > Can you reboot your computer without shuting down BOINC, without causing > the OS to say it failed to logoff/shutdown because it was unable to close > BOINC? > > If I need to reboot or shut down normally or if the backup prog is doing the rebooting, Boinc Manager interferes on all occasions and wont let a reboot or shutdown happen. The simple solution would be for me to be able to time when Boinc manager should exit. Eg, a preference saying "Terminate program at what time?" and I fill that time in for 5 minutes before the backup. That way it should work fine if Boinc Manager gracefully unloaded. Greg.

122) 留言板 : Number crunching : CPUs. Can someone explain this one please? (消息 54171) 发表于：15 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: > > I had a P4 1.7Ghz CPU with 512megs DDR aboard. Nothing flash and fabulous > but > > definitely not bad, OK? > > > > So, I recently get a 3.4Ghz CPU, pull out the 1.7Ghz and put the 3.4 in > and > > off I go again, no problems, machine now twice as fast and yes, suddenly > the > > "2 CPU" processing of Boinc/Seti is possible and active. > > Greg. > If you are running windows xp; go to programs, accessories, system tools, > system info. You will find your processor speed in the middle of the list. I > suspect that your motherboard does not support the 3.4 GHz CPU and it > defaulted to a lower multiplier. > If it didnt support the 3.4Ghz CPU, I couldnt post this. I have used exactly the same MB on many occasions on other computers I have built for other people and no problems. No problems with me excepting Boinc/Seti and BoincView so it all points to software.

123) 留言板 : Number crunching : CPUs. Can someone explain this one please? (消息 54170) 发表于：15 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: > First rule, always check to see if the MOBO can handle the CPU, second rule > always reload your os and all drivers.... Third rule check BIOS to see if CPU > is setup correctly.... > Errr....I work doing this sort of thing so I know the MB can handle the CPU. There is absolutely no need to reload drivers when just changing to another CPU unless the drivers have become corrupted. That is just a waste of time (not trying to be nasty but that is just the truth!). I do work doing all this, building, rebuilding computers and networks etc so I know how that stuff goes. Thanks anyway. :) Greg.

124) 留言板 : Number crunching : CPUs. Can someone explain this one please? (消息 54169) 发表于：15 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: > What OS are you running? > > You might get more answers if you unhide your computers :o) > > Regards Hans > > XPSP2.

125) 留言板 : Number crunching : CPUs. Can someone explain this one please? (消息 54168) 发表于：15 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: > If you are running 2 BOINCs then you will most likely be running 2 setis per > processor which may be part of the problem. You should run BOINC once per > computer and let BOINC handle multiple processors. > No, as explained, 2 Boinc/Setis not 2 Boinc. > I assume you have one real processor that is divided into two logical > processors. This can cause problems since the OS thinks they are both real and > assigns CPU time accordingly. This in turn can cause lower priority tasks to > get too much CPU time due to memory conflicts. This is especially true if > using any version of windows prior to XP. You wont want to try anything but 2000 or XP on a 3.4Ghz machine. I believe ME works up to 3.0 Ghz but not sure over that. > > Another idea is that if you are using the same motherboard and memory that you > were using with the slower processor they may not be up to it even though they > will function. A newer motherboard with dual channel memory can help alot. > I do have an MB that does that, just dont have the cash to buy that sort of ram.

126) 留言板 : Number crunching : CPUs. Can someone explain this one please? (消息 53982) 发表于：14 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: I had a P4 1.7Ghz CPU with 512megs DDR aboard. Nothing flash and fabulous but definitely not bad, OK? So, I recently get a 3.4Ghz CPU, pull out the 1.7Ghz and put the 3.4 in and off I go again, no problems, machine now twice as fast and yes, suddenly the "2 CPU" processing of Boinc/Seti is possible and active. I try, for days, on 3.4Ghz to get the damned thing to work as easily as it all appeared to work on the 1.7Ghz but every single task appeared as slow as or slower than the 1.7ghz one now. I suspend Boinc/Seti and off everything goes marvellously. So, I try out ONE CPU through prefs at Boinc/Seti and things go well again. OK, figured that much out and went back to using 2 CPUs for a couple of days. Crap with any prog all the time. I have had to forcibly reduce to 1 CPU only so all other progs work reasonably. Anyone got any idea why with 2 Boinc/Setis on a 3.4ghz with the same ram, things run worse for the rest of my machine that on a 1.7ghz using only 1 CPU? Got me beat, I have to admit! Greg.

127) 留言板 : Number crunching : Boinc, Boincmgr.exe and Boincview problems. (消息 53981) 发表于：14 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: > > > > While all that is going on, my P3 600Mhz and P2 400Mhz both running > Boinc > > Manager 4.56 as well exit Boinc and Seti gracefully UNLESS a program I > use for > > backing up (image) causes the machines to reboot in order to do that > backup. > > When that happens, they freeze and wont exit, throwing up complaints > that > > Boinc has to be shut down before they can do a thing. > > > > Greg. > This is a normal occurence for Win98 machines, they HATE to be shutdown with > programs running. This was a problem for Classic for YEARS! Still is, but > there is a work around. You have to add a small file to each directory that > has Seti in it and then it will be fine. Ask on the newsgroups or MIRC. > Sorry but that just isnt true. I ran classic Seti for years with these same image backup progs and no probs at all. In fact, earlier Boincs didnt cause this problem either. This has only started with 4.56 Boinc Manager. Greg.

128) 留言板 : Number crunching : Multiple CPUs with Boinc (消息 53980) 发表于：14 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: > Hi > > The upload bug is fixed in 4.56. > I didn´t have this problem, but the shutdown issue is tricky. > > greetz Mike > > Yes, I understand but 4.56 has other problems such as not exiting gracefully etc. Such is life!

129) 留言板 : Number crunching : Boinc, Boincmgr.exe and Boincview problems. (消息 53651) 发表于：13 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: Interesting problems that may be associated with a new CPU I have more than anything else but I have no proof, just suspect this. What happens is that, on XPSP2, when I exit Boinc Manager (boincmgr.exe), it peacefully shuts down and sometimes shuts down Boinc and Seti WUs. Sometimes just Boinc Manager shuts down and leaves the rest running. At the same time, when I start up the machine, BoincView starts TWICE for unknown reasons and freezes. I have to, routinely, terminate Boincview and restart it and then all goes normally. None of this happened, though, until recently when I made one change to this particular computer. It WAS a P4 1.7Ghz and now is a P4 3.4Ghz. It was the only hardware change made on the machine. Eg, I pulled the 1.7Ghz CPU out and shoved the 3.4 in on the same motherboard etc. In the meantime, my laptop which is the same as it always was and also running Boinc Manager 4.56 but not Boincview, exits gracefully every time. While all that is going on, my P3 600Mhz and P2 400Mhz both running Boinc Manager 4.56 as well exit Boinc and Seti gracefully UNLESS a program I use for backing up (image) causes the machines to reboot in order to do that backup. When that happens, they freeze and wont exit, throwing up complaints that Boinc has to be shut down before they can do a thing. P4 3.4ghz runs XPSP2 fully updated. Laptop (P3 1.13Ghz) runs XPSP2 fully updated. P3 600 runs 98SE P2 400 runs 98SE. I feel the major problem on the P4 3.4 is the speed of the CPU or something else about the CPU that may not get on quite well with Boinc Manager 4.56 and also Boincview and on the 98SE machines, it is just some message that shouldnt come up from Boinc Manager that does, nevertheless and stops the reboot happening. Oh and I also checked my Windows (SFC /SCANNOW on XP machines and SFC and check all files on 98SE machines) and though the P4 3.4Ghz did have a problem on one file that was replaced, it hasnt changed anything after it being fixed and a reboot done. While all this isnt enough to stop me running the programs, they ARE annoying problems nonetheless and I hope that possibly, someone doing the programming will note and be able to fix it. Anyone needing something tested on my machines, just let me know and I will do it. Greg.

130) 留言板 : Number crunching : Multiple CPUs with Boinc (消息 53642) 发表于：13 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: > The version 4.5x line ups the confusion a bit, it is divided into 3 parts. > There is the manager, boincmgr.exe, which the user uses to interact with > BOINC. The core client, boinc.exe, which does the house keeping. And the > science applications which do the actual work (names vary with project). > > In my experience 4.56 has normally exited the core client whenever I exit the > manager, and the manager has started the client any time it runs, in 4.55 > neither would happen. I also see a windows message that boinc.exe will not end > when I do a restart, however it does exit after a moment. I am doing it > manually though, that message may be enough to block the automatic restart for > some reason though. > > The 4.5x line is still pretty rough around the edges, I do not recomend > running it if you do not have a specific reason to do so. > Thanks but I have to. I was finding, on 4.53, that my WUs that were completed when I wasnt online would be deleted and never sent back which is why I had to upgrade. I didnt upgrade to 4.53. That was forced down the pipe to me and upgraded for me. The problem still occurs, though. Still intermittently not exiting Seti WUs or BOINC when shutting Boincmgr.exe down. A real annoyance!

131) 留言板 : Number crunching : Multiple CPUs with Boinc (消息 53066) 发表于：12 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: > You can set your preferences to only use 1 CPU in a multi-CPU system. That is Thanks for that. Will look at that one then! > currently the only way to do what you are looking for. Also I assume that by > "This means 2 BOINCs running at the same time.." just means that BOINC is > running 2 work units at the same time. You should NOT have 2 copies of BOINC > running. I guess I mean there is Boinc Manager, Boinc and 2 copies of Seti@home running in Task Manager. > > As for the problem of seti continuing to run, I'm not sure what to tell you. > When I exit BOINC, it automatically shuts down seti and any other project I'm > running. I think there was an older version of BOINC that had problems with > this but they fixed it a couple months ago. And the switch to calling it the > "work manager" is NOT an official name change. That term was introduced here > on the message boards to try and help the confusion people were having because > there is the 'core client' (now called the 'work manager' by many here) and > the 'science application'. (seti@home, lhc, cpdn, etc.) Officially it is > still called the core client. > I am using Boinc Manager V4.56 which appears to be the latest one. Prior to using it, when I wanted the CPU time entirely to myself, I would exist what was then called "Boinc" and that would stop Seti@home running. Now, when I exit Boinc Manager, it shows it gone in Task Manager but Boinc and the 2 Seti@home WUs are running. Oh wait, I just kept exiting Boinc Manager (right click on tray icon then exit) then restarting it from the shortcut I pinned to the start menu. Sometimes it exits peacefully and other times just Boinc Manager is gone. Not sure what to say now. One other thing I forgot about - I have backups happen twice a week on all machines. When Boinc Manager is running, it keeps the session open on each machine not allowing the program that does backups to reboot the machine and do the backup itself. A pain in the arse! Oh well, I know I am looking at a Beta version. Thanks for the help. Greg.

132) 留言板 : Number crunching : Multiple CPUs with Boinc (消息 53040) 发表于：12 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: Hi all, I just upgraded from a P4 1.7Ghz to a P4 3.4Ghz on one machine, the other 3 remaining as is. On the upgraded machine, it is running XPSP2 and since the new CPU came in and as the motherboard was capable of supporting it all, I now have hyperthreading running properly on it. This means 2 BOINCs running at the same time crunching data. Normally, I dont have a problem with that but periodically I do. If I SUSPEND Boinc I get all possible processing time back but sometimes that isnt what I intend. I would like to be able to keep processing Seti@home/Boinc on one "side" and susped the other now and then. I know I am asking for a lot but if you dont ask, you never know. So, is it possible? Also, when you exit Boinc Manager, Seti keeps right on plugging away at things. I would like to be able to exit Seti at the moment I exit Boinc Manager (which is what I used to do prior to it being called Boinc *Manager*). In order to exit both, I have to call up the task manager and cancel Boinc to get rid of Seti for now and then exit Boinc manager. Any better way that doesnt involve "suspend"? Thanks, Greg.

133) 留言板 : Number crunching : Boincview with Boinc 4.56 remote clients. (消息 51742) 发表于：6 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: > > Apparently > > Boinc 4.56 only allows /s and /h at startup and the option to allow > remote gui > > as it used to be no longer exists. > > > > ... and try to use remote_hosts.cfg as described in the BOINC documentation, > in the BOINC questions/problems section, BOINC FAQ and BoincView FAQ. ;) > > > I already looked in Boinc docs but they only describe what can be done in earlier versions of Boinc which dont apply to this version. As to Boincview FAQ, it ALSO says to use -allow_remote_gui_rpc which isnt correct as per this version. I already tried both but neither are updated. Good news is I just figured it out another way though. Hooray! Thanks all.

134) 留言板 : Number crunching : Boincview with Boinc 4.56 remote clients. (消息 51740) 发表于：6 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: > Until now port 31416 was used for communication. Starting with version 4.56 > that changed to port 1043. Did you choose that port in Boincview? > Choose the port where? You didnt HAVE to use 31416 in earlier Boincviews. I used other ports. Where do you choose the port? I finally got them to report but I cant remotely tell them to update etc yet.

135) 留言板 : Number crunching : Boincview with Boinc 4.56 remote clients. (消息 51641) 发表于：5 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: I have Boinc 4.56 and Boincview 1.0 in use. I had to update to Boinc 4.56 as 4.53 was eating my WUs and not returning them if I was not connected to internet. Since updating both these programs, I cannot use Boincview to remotely view the clients I have installed on other machines on the lan here. Apparently Boinc 4.56 only allows /s and /h at startup and the option to allow remote gui as it used to be no longer exists. Anyone know what the latest commands are so I can remotely view Boinc on lan machines please? Thanks. Greg.

136) 留言板 : Number crunching : Boinc 4.53 and deleted WUs (消息 51634) 发表于：5 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: > Hi > > When you are running Boinc 4.53 so its an Alpha release. > The core client couldn´t be updated automatically, it must be downloaded from > the Alpha site and be installed manually. It wasnt. I was on a much earlier version and it was forced down the pipe on me as I said before. > The second thing is that the core client didn´t has a url to alpha. > So anybody has installed this version on your machine. > Yeah it was installed auto by Boinc. > When you are running 4.53 just disable boinc network access when you´re not > connected. > I did it over one week successfull until i installed 4.56 wich works fine for > me. > I installed 4.56 eventually. It looks like it is supposed to be do the job of Boincview, too but when I try to connect to a home lan computer, it doesnt. Is it supposed to be like Boincview as well? Greg.

137) 留言板 : Number crunching : Boinc 4.53 and deleted WUs (消息 51561) 发表于：5 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: > Hi > > This is a bug in 4.53. > This boinc version is an alpha release what means use at your own risk. > This results are gone to nowhere land. > When you didnt have a permanent inet connection change to version 4.13 its the > official version or try with 4.56 alpha in it the bug is fixed but has other > alpha issues. > > greetz Mike > > I dint purposely download that. I was on an earlier version and it got forced down the pipe to me and updated. Why would they do that for an alpha?

138) 留言板 : Number crunching : Boinc 4.53 and deleted WUs (消息 51530) 发表于：5 Dec 2004 作者： gregh Post: I had left my computers on doing Boinc stuff and the fastest one which has XPSP2 on it completed a WU while I wasnt connected to the net. When I checked it out, there was the usual 100% done line in the WORK section but in TRANSFERS there was nothing so I looked at the log and it clearly says, as below: SETI@home - 2004-12-05 17:59:47 - Computation for result 08mr04aa.19693.32065.873560.12 finished SETI@home - 2004-12-05 17:59:47 - Starting result 07mr04aa.20227.26994.104832.244_4 using setiathome version 4.08 --- - 2004-12-05 17:59:49 - Can't resolve hostname setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu (valid name, no data record of requested type) SETI@home - 2004-12-05 17:59:49 - Couldn't start upload of 08mr04aa.19693.32065.873560.12_5_0 SETI@home - 2004-12-05 17:59:49 - URL http://setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/file_upload_handler: error -113 --- - 2004-12-05 17:59:49 - NET_XFER_SET::remove(): not found --- - 2004-12-05 17:59:49 - HTTP_OP_SET::remove(): not found --- - 2004-12-05 17:59:49 - FILE_XFER_SET::remove(): not found SETI@home - 2004-12-05 17:59:49 - Giving up on upload of 08mr04aa.19693.32065.873560.12_5_0: too much elapsed time ....which seems to indicate that it couldnt find the URL so deleted the result even though the report due time had not elapsed. I had seen this a few times before and thought I was wrong but it appears not. Anyone else having this thing where your computer does the work then auto deletes it if it cant upload it so you dont get credit? Greg.

139) 留言板 : Number crunching : Windows XP Service -allow_remote_gui_rpc (消息 41677) 发表于：31 Oct 2004 作者： gregh Post: > > Control Panel => Administrative tools => services => select > BOINC > > with right click, then select properties, add the parameter in the > "Start > > Parameters". > > Again - I think you do not understand what my problem is. As I wrote I have > exactly the same problem as "cheesebyproduct" describes in the very first post > in this thread. What you propose works fine but only once at the time. If you > reboot, service is started with no parameter again. > Therefore here is my question again: How can I persuade Win XP to start the > BOINC service with that "-allow_remote_gui_rpc" parameter every time > automatically? > (I hope I am explaining it clearly) > I dont know what the big deal is, really. I edited the Boinc icon properties thus: "C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc_gui.exe" -min -allow_remote_gui_rpc -return_results_immediately ....on each machine I have on my home lan running Boinc. Boincview then sees and communicates with every machine day after day after day. The only time that it all falls apart is when Boinc is manually updated by me. The install routine for Boinc ignores any parameters and returns it to just "-min" and I have to go change it back to the way I want on every machine. I dont start it as a service at all. Just add the line above to your Boinc icon in Startup and you'll be OK all the time until you manually update Boinc, at which time you have to reenter it all. Greg.

140) 留言板 : Number crunching : Outage still there? (消息 38633) 发表于：20 Oct 2004 作者： gregh Post: > It is probably because too many people are trying to get through to the server > at once. > I wouldnt have thought a 2 hour offline would have caused that but I dont know for sure, obviously. Anyway, just noted I got through. :)

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