Posts by Jord
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Uploads and downloads blocked for some BOINC projects using HTTPS
(Message 2051500)
Posted 9 Jun 2020 by  Jord
Post: And additionally, plans are afoot to release a new 7.4 or a replacement 7.4.53 with an updated CA-bundle included, while we wait for the new version to be done. |
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Uploads and downloads blocked for some BOINC projects using HTTPS
(Message 2051478)
Posted 9 Jun 2020 by Jord
Post: LoL, BOINC should more carefully grant "expert helper"tags then indeed :DBOINC doesn't grant those, I do. I give them to people on the BOINC forums who selflessly help out anyone with their problems. They're just a friendly title, just like your volunteer developer title is to show newcomers that the person helping them has the knowledge. There's no need to continue your disdainful attack on these people because not many of them do development work for BOINC. If you want to attack anyone on this crapshoot, start with the release manager. It's his responsibility to make sure every file in a new BOINC is updated before releasing a new version. It's also his responsibility to release new versions for every bitness available. So go yell on the boinc_dev email list. Go yell on Github. But stop attacking the volunteers. |
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Preferences :
Change of BOINC web-settings is ignored (Windows, Boinc 7.1.6.5 x64)
(Message 2051431)
Posted 8 Jun 2020 by Jord
Post: A very interesting read indeed. You should dedicate it to the Boinc manual.I already write the BOINC manual, but the present head-developer still wants everything as obscure as possible and whenever I try to explain things, he'll eventually remove the page. I've given up on trying to explain things in the manual. Now I understand your remarks about the Home and default location. Thank you! However I have no different preferences for different location. I use location 'home', but have only one general preference.Apparently you still don't understand what I meant. You set your computer to location Home but have not set computing preferences for Home, so BOINC is using the default preferences at location --- because it needs some preferences to know how much work to fetch and when. So go to https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=global, scroll down until you see the blue boxes and click on the one stating "Add separate preferences for home", then do edit those preferences, change values and save them to the website using the green button at the bottom saying "Update preferences". When you do not save changes to the website, and just leave this page, anything you set will be discarded and not used. The preferences with the suffix =global are the ones that will propagate to the other projects you have added, as long as your BOINC makes regular contact with those projects. When you set preferences at one project and only updated BOINC to let it know that, but BOINC hasn't made contact with the other projects yet, the other projects' preferences will be as before. So the URL I gave earlier is an example, if you want to set all this up at Rosetta, go to Rosetta and set up the Home preferences there. The XML that BOINC uses is specifically designed for BOINC, and although you can use an XML editor to edit the XML files it's not necessary. Notepad or Notepad++ will suffice. Don't use an editor that adds EOL characters like Wordpad or a text editor. Project preferences cannot be added to a GUI, because they are project specific. So they're only found as a preference option in your account at those projects. You cannot use local preferences for one project and web preferences for another. Local preferences override any of the same web preferences. You cannot set web preferences for the same host to two different locations to change how much work you want fetched. I did say that was possible in my previous answer, but am now thinking about it and don't think that's possible. The work fetch options per location are set per host, although you can set two different locations if you have two individual hosts. |
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Change of BOINC web-settings is ignored (Windows, Boinc 7.1.6.5 x64)
(Message 2051399)
Posted 8 Jun 2020 by Jord
Post: Oh dear, a lot of things here. More than I can type away on my phone, so I've turned the desktop on. :) I have the feeling you're stuck in the simple view of BOINC Manager, the options there are limited because they're for general users. If you want to do a little more and have more control, you use the advanced view. How to get there and the differences can be gleaned from https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/BOINC_Manager. In both views though, you have an option called Project Commands. In simple view that's a button on the front, in advanced view it's a column on the left in the Projects tab. Once you select a project you have added, the command options will show. It's to the digression of the project which options they send along, there's no standard, not even for naming. Usually you'll have a link here to Account or Your Account, and from there you can go to the various preferences. The local preferences in BOINC Manager are for computation options and storage of work only. They don't have any effect on project preferences. Project preferences state the resource share you give that project, which hardware to use (CPU, various GPUs) and (optional) which applications to use. These can be set via a general website, but then we're talking about an account manager and that's a whole different kettle of fish. Normally project preferences are set at the project only. Not in a GUI. Now then for locations or venues (BOINC uses both names). BOINC uses different locations to allow for adding lots of computers that can run with different preferences sets. When you go look at any set of preferences, for instance the Seti project preferences, when you scroll down you see you can add separate preferences for different locations. If all is well you only have the default (or ---, or None) preferences selected. When you scroll down you don't have another set of Home, Work or School preferences set here. Because when you go to your account (https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/home.php), view computers on this account (https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php), show all computers (no link as that's personalised to my userID) and then click on Details for your computer, you scroll down and find a mention of a Location in the lines here. You can set the location for the host here. That location corresponds with the preferences you can set (---, Home, School, Work). Now you can understand that if your computer is using the default or --- location and you have preferences set for Home, that every time you ask BOINC to update and look for new preferences, that it looks up the preferences for the default or --- location, not for Home. You have to set the computer's location to the correct preferences location. The BOINC Manager->Computing preferences top line shows which preferences you're using, local preferences or web preferences. And then it shows which web preferences were last set, at which project. It doesn't mean that you always have to use that project for those preferences. You will only get a change in web preferences and mention thereof when: - you actually change something on the computing preferences website of the project. - you save changes to the website with the "Update preferences" button there. - you tell BOINC there's a new place for the preferences by selecting that project in BOINC Manager's Project tab or drop down menu and selecting Update from the command buttons. The caveat here is that when you use local preferences that these will stay in use until you tell BOINC to use the web preferences again. Hence why the top line in the computing preferences window will show which preferences you now use, and this also shows in BOINC manager's Event log: 08/06/2020 12:36:40 | | Reading preferences override file (Mind, all these lines are from my BOINC, yours may differ) And I had the impression, when I changed my Boinc preferences from locally "additional work"=0.5 days to (setiathome web-based) "additional work"=2,5 days and updated from the web, then the Rosetta project seem to download a larger number of work units. I changed setiathome back to 0.5 days and now it is only uploading results not requesting work for the next 2 days.Three things. First off Rosetta had a problem when it changed its project URL from HTTP to HTTPS and immediately thereafter one of the certificates for secure communication went inactive, making it impossible for BOINC to communicate with the project in a timely fashion. Depending on the BOINC you use (your computers are hidden so I can't check that), this may be fixed or not. If you're not using BOINC 7.16.7, then update immediately (just install it on top of the previous BOINC, the installer will take care of all the difficult bits). Second, the project now uses HTTPS for their URL. When you added Rosetta via the add project wizard it may still have used the old URL, so you can see mention of 07/06/2020 22:36:52 | Rosetta@home | This project is using an old URL. When convenient, remove the project, then add https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/ like it showed in mine. There is a much simpler solution for this than removing the project (and losing all work and applications) and re-adding it (and having to download all applications and task loads again) and that's to exit BOINC (BOINC Manager->File->Exit->Acknowledge to stop running tasks->OK). Next navigate to your BOINC data directory. Default a hidden directory at C:\Programdata\BOINC\, so fill that path into File Explorer and hit Enter. Now find account_boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta.xml and open this with Notepad (don't use a fancy word editor or any XML editor, just Notepad) and change the <master_url> from http:// to https:// - so you add an 's' after http - and save the file. Exit Notepad. Restart BOINC and the message about the URL being wrong is history. Third, work fetch. This is a bit difficult and different than you'd expect. Work fetch is based on a low water mark and a high water mark. The low water mark is set by the "store additional" value, and this dictates when we contact the project to ask for work. The high water mark is set by the 'store at least' value and dictates how much work we store. BOINC will only ask for more work when it's past the low water mark value. So you set 'additional' to 2.5 days, which Rosetta followed. As you noticed setting the value back to 0.5 days did nothing, because there's still for more than 2 days worth of work in cache and there's no need to ask for more work. On top of that, BOINC has an extra safety feature in play where it stops asking for work from a project if a lot of tasks are still trying to upload. There's no use in trying to get more work from a project if it cannot be returned. And on top of that, Rosetta has an option in its project preferences with which you can set how long the tasks run (at minimum). The minimum amount of time is 2 hours, default is 8 hours, the maximum is 36 hours. You will store more tasks that run for 2 hours than you will for 36 hours when you set to ask for 2.5 days worth of work. And then there's the deadline at Rosetta, which is 3 days. It's totally useless here to have a large cache because it can happen that you have tasks that deviate from the N hours you set for the minimum task duration and that will take a lot longer than the set hours and throw everything in disarray, making it difficult or impossible for BOINC to finish all work in cache by its deadline. Nothing said about reports that the scientists at Rosetta will at times take results early. So set Rosetta to a low cache. 1 day for the "store at least" and "0.01 days for additional". That will keep your CPU quite busy. And then at a later stage, when you think you want to add another project but have it run at a different cache strategy, you set it at another location with a different work fetch. As long as you can then let BOINC manage all and allow for some tasks to go by deadline when necessary, all will be all right. This post is about to go into a book, so let me finish here. :-) |
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Change of BOINC web-settings is ignored (Windows, Boinc 7.1.6.5 x64)
(Message 2051336)
Posted 7 Jun 2020 by Jord
Post: - you cannot run the Rosetta project (or any other I guess) alone, if you want to use the web-based central preferences with a Boinc clientWhy not? The preferences we're talking about are global_prefs, as they also state at the end of their URL: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=global http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/prefs.php?subset=global So you can set these at the Rosetta project as well. You don't require to have Seti added. I've got mine from the Seti Beta project in January of this year: 07/06/2020 22:34:12 | SETI@home Beta Test | General prefs: from SETI@home Beta Test (last modified 12-Jan-2020 20:29:52) So for testing this, I just updated them to the Rosetta project: 07/06/2020 22:36:41 | Rosetta@home | update requested by userOf course you have to make sure you're set to the correct venue or location. Because if your host takes the Home location and you update on the default location, they won't match. These preferences propagate themselves to the projects you've got added by the contacts BOINC has with the projects. At each scheduler request sent to the server BOINC sends a load of information about your computer that way, including your computing preferences. So they won't propagate to projects that haven't been contacted. And as you can see from my example above it works fine with No New Tasks set. |
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Preferences :
Change of BOINC web-settings is ignored (Windows, Boinc 7.1.6.5 x64)
(Message 2051305)
Posted 7 Jun 2020 by Jord
Post: when executing Boinc: Options-> read preferences.Well, there's your problem, to quote a well known saying. That doesn't update the web preferences, but is only used when you manually edited the global_prefs_override.xml local preferences file. To update the web preferences you have to Update BOINC: Projects, select Seti, click the Update command. This sets in motion a scheduler contact with the project which will pull in the new preferences. |
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Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (2)
(Message 2050797)
Posted 1 Jun 2020 by Jord
Post: https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/1/21276653/microsoft-windows-10-may-2020-update-block-known-issues-list Microsoft is preventing a large number of devices from updating to the Windows 10 May 2020 Update. While the software company released the update last week, Microsoft has quietly acknowledged that there are a number of known issues preventing the update from being installed on a variety of PCs. Microsoft has a list of 10 issues it’s currently investigating, and 9 of them have resulted in a “compatibility hold†which stops the Windows 10 May 2020 Update from being installed via Windows Update. One issue involving unexpected errors or reboots with always-on, always-connected devices, affects devices like Microsoft’s Surface Pro 7 or Surface Laptop 3. If you’ve been checking Windows Update for the May 2020 Update and not seeing anything, then it’s likely that your device is being blocked or throttled from updating. Microsoft has also added a warning to Windows Update over the weekend for devices that aren’t ready to be updated. |
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Ryzen and Threadripper
(Message 2048967)
Posted 12 May 2020 by Jord
Post: Linus does a test of the new Apex15: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFTMBTDGTx8, a gaming laptop with a Ryzen 3950 in it. And one you can take out.... |
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Windows :
Seti@home and BOINC
(Message 2048852)
Posted 11 May 2020 by Jord
Post: Doubtful: On March 31, the volunteer computing part of SETI@home will stop distributing work and will go into hibernation. There is no work. |
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Ryzen and Threadripper
(Message 2048416)
Posted 7 May 2020 by Jord
Post: Linus tests the new R3 3100X and 3300X versus the Intel comparables: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD8Yk7JrBL8 |
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Preferences :
Preference issue ?
(Message 2047853)
Posted 1 May 2020 by Jord
Post: That's something the new BOINC does, it has to do with project settings (here). You apparently set to only use a GPU of choice, not the CPU. BOINC 7.16.5 shows this in messages and notifications. Nothing you can do about it, it cannot be disabled. It has nothing to do with the project hibernating. A next BOINC should fix this message. |
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Getting started :
Lost/Missing Account
(Message 2047852)
Posted 1 May 2020 by Jord
Post: The project is [ur=https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85267&postid=2035163l]in hibernation[/url], so it's not much use to add a new computer as there is no work, and there won't be work for the foreseeable future. As for the account, if you don't know the email address anymore that you used to make the account with, it's going to be difficult. The email address is the unique identifier. Maybe check through old maps to see if you still have a copy of your authenticator key lying around? I searched users and found this other account with your name on it, from August 1999, so suspect that's your account. It's still there. You just need to match the right email address to it. And else you can always try to PM Eric Korpela and ask him for help. |
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Windows :
help
(Message 2047056)
Posted 26 Apr 2020 by Jord
Post: Seeing how they are different names already and none of those projects show under your account here at Seti, you must have used a different email address to sign up with. The email address is the unique identifier. |
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Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (2)
(Message 2046960)
Posted 25 Apr 2020 by Jord
Post: For once I am not going to say much. Via https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2020/04/23/biannual-digital-trust-reports/ you can look up the Law Enforcement Requests per country at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/about/corporate-responsibility/lerr/ and see what law enforcement is able to get from your activity if they want information about your activity: What are 'content' and 'non-content' data?And you're willingly giving this to MS for them to store. For how long? |
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Request for help- BOINC server software configuration.
(Message 2044729)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Jord
Post: I know that, it's just, with a replication of more than 1 task per WU, if something goes wrong with a (batch of) task(s) it's easier to check if this is a bad host or a bad (batch of) task(s). |
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Request for help- BOINC server software configuration.
(Message 2044723)
Posted 14 Apr 2020 by Jord
Post: Of course it still doesn't help that Rosetta has a replication of just 1 task per workunit. |
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Ryzen and Threadripper
(Message 2044349)
Posted 12 Apr 2020 by Jord
Post: Simply solved with a script that hardcodes the usernames for all of the past posts without link. Can do the same for past postIDs as well, just going to be a lot of scrolling. Just need threadID and fipo of that thread is the first person who posts in the new thread. 😠|
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Ryzen and Threadripper
(Message 2044254)
Posted 11 Apr 2020 by Jord
Post: To add to Tom's comment - because each project is independent of others it is all but impossible to move a tread from one project to another. Hmmm, download on floppy, move to BOINC server, download from floppy. Same BOINC server software, so why shouldn't that work? ;-) |
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Windows :
Seti@home no available tasks?
(Message 2044136)
Posted 11 Apr 2020 by Jord
Post: Seti is in hibernation, there is no work other than a handful of resends. SETI@home hibernationhttps://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=85267 |
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Ryzen and Threadripper
(Message 2043701)
Posted 8 Apr 2020 by Jord
Post: One BIOS isn't the same as any other BIOS. Depends on the motherboard manufacturer. Also I am not sure what you're trying to say. |
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