81) 留言板 : Number crunching : INFORMATION PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE and PLEASE AGAIN (消息 83610) 发表于：7 Mar 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: Sorry for going slightly off-topic but when I installed Einstein, I accidentally detached SETI(In a brainfart moment). I reattached but can't find out if the 13 cached WUs for SETI are just wiped off or what. Did I just lose all of that crunched data through my mistake?(Hoping not but looks that way...)

82) 留言板 : Number crunching : Status for the Weekend? (消息 83587) 发表于：5 Mar 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: Does anyone have a clue if they're going to leave the servers on during the weekend? I'm lucky to have only a small cache of WUs to upload but it's taking me 3 hours to get one through. IF they follow what they were doing this entire week, the servers will be shut down in 50 minutes so just wondering since there's no update to how their connection cable project went. If we shut down, my computer gets an extended holiday,(haven't crunched since Monday). Anyway, not griping, just wondering.

83) 留言板 : SETI@home Science : End of Conspiracy Theories? Spacecraft Snoops Apollo Moon Sites (消息 83585) 发表于：4 Mar 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > > <img> > src="http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/hf_moonrevisit_050304_01.jpg"> > > > > A European spacecraft now orbiting the Moon could turn out to be a time > > machine of sorts as it photographs old landing sites of Soviet robotic > probes > > and the areas where American Apollo crews set down and explored. > > > > New imagery of old Apollo touchdown spots, from the European Space > Agency’s > > (ESA) SMART-1 probe, might put to rest conspiratorial thoughts that U.S. > > astronauts didn’t go the distance and scuff up the lunar landscape. NASA > > carried out six piloted landings on the Moon in the time period 1969 > through > > 1972. > > > > The conspiracy theorists would probably say that the ESA is in on it. I'd like to see them try this since the ESA wasn't around in 1969,(in any modern incarnation) and I doubt highly that the French would go along with anything that promotes America being the First at anything.

84) 留言板 : Number crunching : INFORMATION PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE and PLEASE AGAIN (消息 83517) 发表于：4 Mar 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > Yes the term may be confusing, but intended to illustrate that it is a 24hr > operation, BUT, if they are going to limit user connectivity, and have some > downtime, then that downtime can be used to undertake the upgrades, > installation etc. That is what would happen commercially. So make better use > of the period when the system is manned during the day, by allowing users to > upload/update caches etc, especially as it takes several hours to stabilise > after any outages. That allows users to continue working, and while the > system is down or subject to the fragile power time then install the software > (which isn't difficult). You're looking at this from a viewpoint of a commercial operation, which is nice but wouldn't apply to something that is run in a scientific setting. They have to work not only on this project but also do research that is vital to obtaining government grants, private grants, sponsorships, not to mention teach and also conduct other research as well. They have no luxury to spend all their time on this problem. Plus, their budget doesn't go that far to paying their people to stay past certain hours to work on this project, especially since their time is Pacific Standard Time. What would be an "optimal time" to do it? Hawaii is 2 hours behind the West Coast, New York is 3 hours ahead, who gets to decide? They take it down when they are there to work out any bugs and that happens to be during business hours. Better they take it down when they're there than to have it crash when they're not. > I am sure that the team are working hard but so are the millions of users of > BOINC and classic, who are mostly waiting with no info. Vague statements, no > formal announcements, a few words or sentences, no thought about what will > happen for the next 2 days, no date for when professional electricians are > going to come in. I find it extremely odd that a fault like this is not > getting looked at for several days. I haven't been anywhere that such a laid > back approach is seen on something as important. Quoting our Secretary of Defense, "you go to work with the project you have, not the project you want or the project you'd like".(YEah, that still sounds stupid regardless of context.) Maybe if they get more money, they can stay longer and work a full 40-60 hour weeks but given their resources and time spent on troubleshooting, they've done a hell of a job.

85) 留言板 : SETI@home Science : Hostile Humans (消息 83266) 发表于：28 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > Most scientists agree that if any aliens visit us, they would be more advanced > than us. The scientists also say that they aliens would probably not be > hostile. However, humans have a long history of being hostile to > civilizations that are less advanced than them. > > When Europeans first started going to Africa, they found African tribes with > less technology. As a result, the Europeans took the Africans, and made them > slaves. > > When Europeans first started going to America, they began killing the Native > Americans. Then they took their land, and made them live on little > reservations. > > As you can see, humans have had a long history of being hostile to > civilizations less advanced than them. What makes you think the aliens won't > be the same way? It's not just humanity that shows a predisposition towards violence when it concerns a dominant-subserviant interaction. Every day in "the wild", we see predatory actions taken by species of animals that are driven by biological stimulus, not to mention what we conceive to be territoriality. Ants will swarn any invaders approaching the hive, including ants of the same type, bees will be incredibly possessive upon intrusion into the hive. Human beings believe that we're superior to everyone else. Helps to be driven by the id> in all of us. You could say that our history has shown us to be afraid of whatever we can't understand and that drove us to exploit, fear, and indeed kill others that we perceived as lesser. Survival of the fittest is driven by natural selection and evolution,(sorry Church people!) Modern day thinking is shaped by our society's changed needs and we've become more benevolent towards "third world" countries. Maybe this might be the same mindset that others view us upon contact. Then again, it might just be easier to play cosmic billiards and dump our planet down the corner pocket.

86) 留言板 : Number crunching : In progress? (消息 82706) 发表于：26 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > I mean on this page: > http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html > > Currently there are 486,360 WU's "in progress". I'm sure not all of them are > in my PC at the moment. ;) > In progress means the WUs that were sent out to people who are currently crunching them and have not yet returned to SETI. "Available"=Not yet sent out, "Waiting for Validation"=Received back but not yet validated, etc. p.s.: Your Avatar cracks me up for unknown reasons...

87) 留言板 : Number crunching : good job (消息 82458) 发表于：26 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > as the other thread got trashed in typical bashing, here's a new one ;) > > here's my "good job" to you at berkeley. You really work hard - and you > deserve credit for it here here! Definitely great job UC Berkeley people. Even us superior U.O. people gotta give you props where you deserve it. I don't know why such a vital machine was doing unprotected but since I know you're running 2 projects and with little resources, definitely it was unforseeable. With only 30 minutes lost and the data easily recrunchable, it's really a job well done. :)

88) 留言板 : SETI@home Science : VIRGOHI 21 (消息 82358) 发表于：26 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > > A galaxy without stars? > > > > Just which galaxy are you guys talking about? There's a discovery recently of a collection of space that is gigantic enough and is emitting more energy collectively than should be otherwise existing in 'empty' space. They believe it's a galaxy that can't be seen, hence "galaxy without stars." There's a better explanation on Space.com, check it out. Very interesting stuff.

89) 留言板 : SETI@home Science : What if they're hostile? (消息 81750) 发表于：22 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > Isn't it a shame that it might take something like the possible extinction of > our civilization to force us to band together as a planet? Wouldn't it be > nice if we could do this during times of peace for the greater good of all > involved? > > Jim Yes, but if we can't even get 100 people in one chamber of one building in one District of a country to agree to work together on something, what makes you think we'll convince the almost 7 billion other people? What would be the "greater good"? Divergence is the result of individuality and unless something happens that shocks people to their core, it won't be surmounted. Sad to say but yeah, it would take ET attacking to make the world unified. We can't even get together on the Global Warming issue!

90) 留言板 : Number crunching : Make Boinc CC 4.19+ mandatory (消息 81528) 发表于：21 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > There are too many download failures due to people not upgrading their > client. > These bugs in previous versions CC client are clearly visible in trouble times > when to many clients wants to communicate with server. > > Some WU's have up to 6 dl errors and will be invalid if not changing > validation policy. > > At least make CC 4.19+ mandatory to force people to ugrade and avoid these > errors. can't make anything mandatory for a completely volunteer project. Instead, what they should do is put some sort of link on the mainpage that indicates what is the current Boinc Appl. available and then have it link to the download page. They could also make a notice in the "latest news" portion. It's old news but it also wasn't publicly announced.

91) 留言板 : Number crunching : Wonder when we will be up again? (消息 81040) 发表于：20 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > I am on 4.09 right now. Do I just Update it or is there a site I go to? They > updated me to 4.09 automatically about 3 days ago. I used to use 4.08 with no > Problems at all. He meant upgrading your BOINC app from 4.13 to 4.19. SETI's recent release is still 4.09. I think you can get it from the Participate link.

92) 留言板 : Number crunching : Things working ok again. (消息 80826) 发表于：19 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > Hello > I just enabled network access on my Boinc client and it seems things are > working again.Slowly but surely I am uploading and downloading wu's.Still > getting the failed messages but every now and then a wu uploads or downloads > ok.Are you now getting the same?I have now downloaded about 10 wu's and > uploaded about 10 from my list of 30 odd. > > Rach I haven't been able to upload or d/l a single thing since Wednesday. I recently tried connecting to the project but get constant errors and failure to upload. Maybe it's just my end or the times I'm trying are competing against others. I got 10 days worth and am crunching away, just would like to know when it's all nice and ready. Any word on the servers yet or do we wait until Tuesday?

93) 留言板 : Number crunching : Wonder when we will be up again? (消息 80546) 发表于：18 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > I wish I had the patience that you have I dont mean to be so negative it just > seams this programs not doing so well this seti@home is all I have crunched. I > was hoping for astropulse but didnt happen. Ill shut up now. It's not patience, it's the understanding that people are fallible and, despite all the best of intentions, things will fail. That's why it's science, nothing is absolutely certain and when things go broke, we have people there to fix it. The purpose of BOINC was to allow many different applications to run so when one has no science or, god-forbid this happens, goes down completely, there are other avenues to pick up. I myself am a Seti-Only, mainly since I run BOINC from my laptop and it piques my interest the most. A person with many resources would definitely be welcome on the other projects because you have a lot to offer. I concur with Majorkong and highly suggest you join up with other projects. If you don't feel like it, perhaps the next time the servers are running, increase your WU cache to maybe something like 4-5 days.(Mine is set at 10 only because of the constant problems recently.) Keep crunching, we're all working, in theory, for the same goal. :)

94) 留言板 : Number crunching : HELP!! SETI@HOME RESULTS!! (消息 79922) 发表于：16 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > Mr Davis. I often wonder if had one focal point of history waited to do > something, perhaps invent penicillin, dynamite, or a million other things. Or > perhaps decided not to draw up a battle plan until morning. That pwerhaps, by > morning, they would be dead. I prefere not to wait on anything, life is for > living - and as once said - there are two types of people, the quick and the > dead. Wow, a Ph.D. candidate in History and a Prof. of Physics, very much removed from my humble Lawyer aspirations,(not to mention the future contribution potential, but I digress)...Some of the best work my friends and I did was at 2 in the morning, after hours spent combing law journals and casebriefs, and we bent the "open-door" policies by actually calling up our professor at 3 in the morning with a question. Granted, it was for an exam only 5 hours away and he understood. Fair warning, there WILL be students like me who WILL call you at weird hours if you give them the "any=time is good time" speech without a caveat. Back to my case-studying...

95) 留言板 : SETI@home Science : I bet it's cheaper to launch a NEW hubble than fix the old one. (消息 79876) 发表于：16 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: Frankly, I think that would be a noble gesture but ultimately doomed to failure. The costs of the upfront physical components are at most 40% of the total budget package that gets presented to Congress for authorization. Working in politics at the state level, there's so many figures and charts and numbers one has to crunch even just to get to the first stage of proposing. You would need to get a line of scientists to generate mounds of paper and then another group of scientists to look over the first group's ideas, condense it, and then present it to the committee. I've seen a project to fix a 1/2 mile lane of highway take 12 years to complete just because of the constant shifting of funds from one group to another, misallocation, overruns, budget cuts, partisan bickering, and this is all in one small tiny state. I hate to imagine how much goes on in DC for a big budget item like a Space Telescope. And that's what it'll amount to, anyway. All the generous donations by Americans alone will not amount to even half the total costs of the telescope, not to mention the actual building of the craft, all of the testing that it requires, final checking. Then you have to cover the transportation costs to the rocket site,(the rocket might also be needed), then the time it takes for launching the rocket, testing the scope, and then running it for the years projected. I'm sure the Government would love if the country donates the money but it's pie in the sky. Why doesn't the government just allocate more money to science? Dunno, why don't we ask the Shiites and the Sunnis? They're getting $82 Billion more while NASA gets a cut. Too bad there's no oil in space, GW would be all gang-busters if there were...

96) 留言板 : Number crunching : Cerificates? (消息 79561) 发表于：15 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > You can print or get new certificates accoring to a ceratin credit, or you can > print different certificates as your credits increase? They made it so you can get it at any point during the project. As far as I'm aware,(having read most of the message boards before this), there isn't a set amount one needs to pass in order to get one, ala Classic and it's milestones. I managed to print mine out at 13,141 credits. Hope this helps

97) 留言板 : Cafe SETI : Save the Vuhlkanu [just for Fat B] (消息 78716) 发表于：12 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: Berman is one of the main reasons why Enterprise was tanking the past 2 seasons and until they brought in some new blood to direct and produce the series. He and the other person behind this debaucle pretty much spelt the end of the series last season. Is Enterprise worth saving?

98) 留言板 : Number crunching : Servers back online at full speed (消息 78018) 发表于：10 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: --- - 2005-02-09 20:18:42 - May run out of work in 4.00 days; requesting more SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:18:42 - Requesting 395835 seconds of work SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:18:42 - Sending request to scheduler: http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:18:47 - Scheduler RPC to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:18:47 - Started download of 14mr04ab.14329.22386.48580.64 SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:18:47 - Started download of 26dc04aa.2077.10898.273584.127 SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:18:59 - Finished download of 14mr04ab.14329.22386.48580.64 SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:18:59 - Throughput 30203 bytes/sec SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:18:59 - Finished download of 26dc04aa.2077.10898.273584.127 SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:18:59 - Throughput 30125 bytes/sec SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:18:59 - Started download of 26dc04aa.2077.10898.273584.94 SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:18:59 - Started download of 26dc04aa.2077.10898.273584.106 SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:19:11 - Finished download of 26dc04aa.2077.10898.273584.106 SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:19:11 - Throughput 31137 bytes/sec SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:19:11 - Started download of 27mr04aa.17963.21650.729828.125 SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:19:12 - Finished download of 26dc04aa.2077.10898.273584.94 SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:19:12 - Throughput 27677 bytes/sec SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:19:12 - Started download of 14mr04ab.14329.22386.48580.61 SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:19:21 - Finished download of 27mr04aa.17963.21650.729828.125 SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:19:21 - Throughput 37977 bytes/sec SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:19:23 - Finished download of 14mr04ab.14329.22386.48580.61 SETI@home - 2005-02-09 20:19:23 - Throughput 33285 bytes/sec This was at 8:20 p.m. Hawaii Standard Time. Nice to see the server coming back up and sorry if I took WUs from other people but maybe this is a signal to cut back on the WU caching? Good job, Berkeley.(As a Duck, this is hard for me to stomach more than once a week.)

99) 留言板 : Number crunching : Servers back online at full speed (消息 77982) 发表于：10 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > Check the server status! :) 4,XXX ready to send. It's been steadily growing for the past 2 days. Good news, not great, but good. Now...if only we could do something about that "Waiting to Validate" number... 250,000 seems a bit much... Oh well, good news all the same. :)

100) 留言板 : Number crunching : Does Anyone Know About The Credit Situation? (消息 77784) 发表于：9 Feb 2005 作者： ponbiki Post: > > Is it me or is the queue length for WU validation going down!!!!!! > > > > WOOHOOOO!!!!!! > > > > I doubt about this. The number of WUs waiting for validation seems to be > growing... It grew from when he first posted his "woohoooo" post, from 112,000 to 220,000 but it's seemingly slowed growing and just starting to crest and head back down.(got about 120 credits or so) Maybe the Validator's working nicely? Hope the new DB helps as much as we all expect it to.

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