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Will Boinc/Seti run on a laptop worth a darn?
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发表于:16 Aug 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: I have just recently switched schools where I teach since the school I was at closed. My new school will not provide me a computer in my classroom since they are all in their Computer Lab and the Office, and I am not a Computer Teacher anymore (Math and Science for Middle School students now). Sooooo, I bought a laptop (Compaq V2000Z, Mobile AMD Sempron(TM) 3100+ 1.8GHz/256KB, 512MB DDR SDRAM, ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M) to use in my classroom to hold my lesson plans, grade book, ect., and to run Seti/Boinc to replace my now lost P3 1.4Ghz Dell at the old school. Has anyone/Does anyone have this type unit, and/or how does Seti/Boinc run on it??? Any comments would be appricated..... |
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Are you ready for the next generation CPU?
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发表于:15 Aug 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=2302665 Thank you, even people with an Intel or an AMD Dual Core or Core 2 need to realize this fact...you really are running multiple CPUs, they are just packaged into one piece of hardware. (I must admit, my next home unit may just have one of those Dual Core or Core 2 AMD Chips...I just have to mow a heck of a lot of yards over the summer to afford the hardware!!!) |
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Intel or AMD -- reality check against PowerMac
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发表于:15 Aug 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: ...in fact, I kinda wish [Apple] had gotten together with IBM or some other PC/Clone company years ago and shared ideas. Who knows where computers would be now if that had happened? Yes, thank you for the name RISC, I couldn't remember what it was called. Who knows, maybe in a few years everything will be compatable and everyone will share thier secrets/ideas and the entire computer science field will grow even faster..... |
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Are you ready for the next generation CPU?
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发表于:15 Aug 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: Yes, these new Apple machines are nice, and very fast...but that is partially due to having FOUR processors. Take out three of those four processors and put it up against my AMD Athlon 64 FX 51 and let's see what happens when one processor is tested against one processor. Not trying to brag, start anything, or spread any 'flame' postings...just simply stating the facts. One processor -vs- one processor, fair is fair. As I have stated in the past, Apple has had some really cool and great ideas, both hardware and software related...it is a shame that Apple and some IBM/PC Clone company cannot share ideas and see what happens...the entire computer science field would be generations ahead of where we are now. |
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Quick question on credits
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发表于:14 Aug 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: With what Aurora is stating, that would make sense. However there have been a couple of times that I have seen in the last two to three weeks where I was one of three, four, or five users that returned a workunit, and only one of us had a different 'claimed' credit but we all got the lower 'granted' credit. I have seen a few of what Aurora has stated (results 87048963, 86367739) where the 'middle' ground was split, and everyone got the 'middle' or average for the 'granted' credit. That is what confused me about the other workunits. I will see if I can still pull up my results that are in question (unfortunately, they have all been removed from current or recent credit listings by the time of this edit, or I was just seeing things...I will keep watch for the next few days and see if it happens again) and post them here as an edit. Thanks. |
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Quick question on credits
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发表于:14 Aug 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: I have noticed on a few of my recent credits that I was having a difference between 'Claimed' and 'Granted' credits which seemed to always be less. Upon opening the actual results, I noticed that other people had the same 'claimed' credits as I did, only one other person had something different, yet we all got the lesser of the credits. (example: 3 people with the claimed credit of 67.56, one person claimed credit 45.24, everyone was issued 45.24 for granted credit.) The only thing that I can figure to explain this since no error was listed for the results in questions is that the single user with the difference is using a(n) modified application, crunching quicker which results in lower FLOPs, and then reporting in just like the rest of us. If this is so, why is the Seti/Boinc server taking the lowest time? Why should we be punished for NOT using a(n) modified application? OR...am I just missing something here??? Even if this is not the reason, why would the Seti/Boinc server take the lowest time of four/five computers/users and issue the lower credit when 75% or 80% of the other reporting computers/users report exactly the same thing??? I am sooo confused on this one...anyone got any ideas??? |
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Intel or AMD -- reality check against PowerMac
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发表于:3 Aug 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: As I have stated in the past, Apple has had some really neat and productive ideas in the past. The ways they use hard disc space, file storage, and even power usage with respect to memory and processors have been quite interesting over the years. The only problem that I have seen with Apple is that they are such a small amount of people/hardware/software (about 5% worldwide at last count) that they are almost an elite specialty since they are not compatable with anything else (although now some are somewhat compatable with PC/Clones which is also another neat idea). It is a shame that they have to rely on thier Ipods and other devices along with donating almost 45% of their computers to schools/colleges just to stay in business since they were not and did not try to be compatable for so long. I know that true Apple people will not like this posting (since last time the facts were stated it was flagged as flame and deleted after I got bashed to death) but really I am not against Apple or its fans...in fact, I kinda wish they had gotten together with IBM or some other PC/Clone company years ago and shared ideas. Who knows where computers would be now if that had happened? My point is Apple's hardware and software touched upon different aspects of the science of computers that the PC Clone industry didn't even think of, now or back then. With Apple being so secretive and so non conformist for so long it hurt them in the long run (my personal beliefs...you don't have to agree if you don't want to). I wish that Steve and Bill could just bury the distrust between them and their companies and see what ideas they could share to advance the field of computers to the next level, who knows where that would lead........... |
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s@h gets a new Sun server
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发表于:27 Jul 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: This should be a nice boost for the project and provide for some growing room. Hopefully it will give some relief for Matt and the gang once they figure out exactly what/how they are going to use the new equipment. |
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Seen something unusual on my screen...
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发表于:26 Jul 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: Please reply back if the picture that MMciastro posted is not what you were talking about so someone can figure out what it is. If this is what you are talking about, MMciastro and the others seem to be correct, there are the triplets found in a workunit...common findings. |
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No work from project?
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发表于:26 Jul 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: The two active machines on your account show they are doing work. No, I only run Seti@Home on both machines. The third machine is at my father's house where it runs when I watch his place since he travels a couple of times a year and my home unit is then in-active. I am able to run with my cashe, upload completed units, just unable to get any new work. <Edit> Just as soon as I posted the above comments, I found that the Boinc Manager did connect and download three new workunits after 'resetting connections to project' but the thoughtput of each download was zero...so I am wondering if these units will actually be able to be crunched, or if they will be error units. I guess we will have to wait and see??? |
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No work from project?
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发表于:26 Jul 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: This morning (09:00 EST) I found that I keep getting the message "No work from project" after I uploaded some results. The Server Status screen shows everything alright...so is it just my machine or is anyone else having issues? |
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CLOSED **** SETI/BOINC Milestonesâ„¢ VIII **** CLOSED
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发表于:24 Jul 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: Just passed 100,000 Boinc/Seti credits on my home computer, 140,000+ with my work unit added too. Plus the 6,485 units of the original Seti@Home...Keep on crunching...we have to be getting close to some signal from somewhere. |
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Completed Workunit gets 0 credit???
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发表于:10 Jul 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: Ooopppppsssss, didn't notice that one. At least it makes sense now. |
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Completed Workunit gets 0 credit???
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发表于:10 Jul 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: My work computer just completed a workunit, reported the unit to the Seti/Boinc Server(s), and issued me "zero" credit for it. This is strange since other units completed this workunit and got thier credit for it. What the heck is going on here??? Can someone please explain??? Workunit Id in question: 83991469 |
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Opinions Sought
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发表于:5 Jul 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: Anybody have any experience with ASUS K8N-DL's? I have the ASUS SK8V Mobo, it is about 2 1/2 years old, running a AMD Athlon 64 FX 51. I have downloaded the updated Bios, and some drivers about nine months ago, no problems and everything went smooth. |
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Why are we now crunching 8 - 34 hour WU's?
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发表于:3 Jul 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: Let me jump in here and either explain this or add more to the confusion! Haha!!! THANK YOU JIM!!! This explains what I (and others) were asking about. There was an unknown variable to the caculation that I was not aware of. (oops, not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition, are we?) Anyways, as per Brian's request I made a quick little chart to show what I was talking about with some of my recent results: Work unit Claimed Granted Seconds to Complete Identification Credits Credits Divided by Credit Granted 83156182 46.14 46.14 14,891.14 / 46.14 = 322.738 82546959 60.41 60.42 20,260.13 / 60.42 = 335.321 82429436 64.54 64.54 20,342.97 / 64.54 = 315.199 82329549 53.17 53.17 17,585.95 / 53.17 = 330.749 82186968 58.70 58.70 30,173.53 / 58.70 = 514.029 81259769 62.40 62.39 20,624.75 / 62.39 = 330.866 23410531 27.06 22.06 7,850.28 / 22.06 = 355.860 (Sorry about the formatting, it looked better in Microsoft Word) |
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Why are we now crunching 8 - 34 hour WU's?
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发表于:3 Jul 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: I see what and agree (mostly) with what Brian and Grant have stated, but the original main part of my (and others) question still stands as listed from previous posts in this thread. Let me pose it is basically as I can so that there are no mis-communications: Why is it that on my machine I can crunch a workunit with an estimated completion time of approx. 4.5 hours and get approx. 37.5 credits, and then on the same machine crunch a workunit with an estimated completion time of approx. 11.5 hours and get approx. 60.0 credits? If you divide out amount of credit given by the time it takes to complete the task, your average work per hour or FLOPs per hour is counted LESS the LARGER the workunit takes to complete. This is the same as getting hired by someone for $10.00 an hour if it only takes you 5 or less hours to get the job done, if it takes 11.5 hours we will only pay you $8.00 an hour...would you really think this was fair when you saw your paycheck? This is the same thing that some of us are tring to figure out, why are the longer workunits giving less credits for longer times? Do the shorter workunits need to be adjusted down, or the longer workunits need to be adjusted up? Something has to be wrong here because the averages just don't calculate. Again, not pointing fingers or trying to cause anyones blood pressure to boil, just honestly confused and hitting my head up against the wall with this one. |
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Why are we now crunching 8 - 34 hour WU's?
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发表于:2 Jul 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: If the same work unit is sent to a P4 operating at 3.0 Ghz and a K6II operating at 550 Mhz shouldn't the overall credits be different? The P4 will have much more on chip cashe memory, possible hyperthreading, and SSE2 and SSE3 instruction sets; where the K6II will only have a fraction of on chip cashe memory and only SSENOW instruction sets. Alright, if you say so, but even if that doesn't matter, the clock speed would effect the FLOPs time (ie the FLOP on the P4 would take much less time then the FLOP on the K-6 II) even though both are still one FLOP (or however many calculations per given workunit); thus the P4 machine is quicker time wise to complete the same workunit and both computers would get the same credit according to this theory. Sooo, why is it that the more FLOPs per workunit (larger estimated times to completion) on the same machines are getting LESS average or overall credit? If there are more FLOPs to process, then more credit should be issued, not less???????? This is what is confusing the heck out of me. If there are let's say 30,000 divisions in a workunit that takes 4.5 hours on a set machine, and another that has 100,000 divisions and takes 11.5 hours to complete on the same machine...why isn't the ratio of time to complete the FLOPs/actual time/credits issued proportionate? |
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Why are we now crunching 8 - 34 hour WU's?
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发表于:2 Jul 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: O.K., I think I understand what some of you guys/gals are saying, and it makes sense. Counting FLOPS or actual CPU Processes does make sense and should keep things fair (or close to fair) for everyone. If the same work unit is sent to a P4 operating at 3.0 Ghz and a K6II operating at 550 Mhz shouldn't the overall credits be different? The P4 will have much more on chip cashe memory, possible hyperthreading, and SSE2 and SSE3 instruction sets; where the K6II will only have a fraction of on chip cashe memory and only SSENOW instruction sets. These two machines will complete the same packet in different times but be 'somewhat close', and the system servers will give a 'base credit' for both when completed. Adjustments made by the server have always happened, thus 'Actual Credit' and 'Claimed Credit', this seems to try to level the playing field. What I think the original question was, speaks of another issue that I too have noticed. To help explain this question a different way, let me use my own "Home" competer as an example. My "Home" computer has an AMD Athlon 64 FX 51 processor, and 1 Gig of DDR 333 Reg. Memory. I am using an Asus Motherboard, an ATI Radeon 9500 8X AGP w/ 128 DDR mem. onboard video card, and Windows Xp Pro, SP2. This is a somewhat 'respectable' machine, and I get some 'good' turn around times for completing packets. When we all started to switch over to the 'New Boinc' ver. 5.4.9 and workunits of ver. 5.15, my average workunit time to complete was about 3.75 to 4.5 hours per unit. The average credit granted for these units were 29.5 - 45.00 each. Lately, this machine has been getting units that take up to 11.5 hours to complete (one currently in my cashe) and the average credit issued is about 60.0 per unit. Given this actual set of data, here is my (and possibly others) question: How can a unit with an average of 4.25 hours to completion on my given machine issue 37.5 'credits', while on the same machine a unit that takes 11.5 hours give only 60.0 'credits'? If you average out the work, the first set is basically getting 8.82 credits per hour, while the second unit is getting 5.21 credits per hour on the same machine, yet the second unit requires more work and gets less overall credit? Again, not trying to start anything here, just very curious and I can't seem to explain this to myself or others. If you can explain, please do. Any enlightenment would be helpful. |
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A word about moderation
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发表于:13 Jun 2006 作者: sterling0466
Post: Welcome back Matt, hope your gigs were good ones and that you got some rest. PS, I love your personal board 'What the hell happened", it is a trip!!! |
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