Posts by M5WJF

1) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 2023255)
Posted 15 Dec 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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And ask Scottish voters how they feel about being under the English jackboot, again.

They voted to stay united with the rest of the UK, on the assurance that the UK would remain a member of the EU.

And then they voted to remain in the EU, on the same day that England and Wales voted to leave the EU.

And now they're being told that a referendum is for life, even if other people change the rules.


oh dear, not another distortion of the truth.

The SNP did not campaign in the General Election to have an Independence Referendum for Scotland, their focus was on BREXIT and the NHS, had they added in the indyref2 they want, then maybe the vote would have been different.

In a Referendum all votes are counted For & Against, in a UK General Election under First Past the Post, only the candidate with the most votes gets to be an MP, and all the rest of the votes are discarded.

Actual votes in Scotland for the SNP were ~1.2 Million, compared to ~1.4 Million who voted for other candidates, so if it were indyref2 the result would have been Leave the UK ~46% Stay a part of the UK 54%

There is no mandate for a Scottish Independence Referendum.

Northern Ireland is a little more complex, wouldn't like to say.
2) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 2023253)
Posted 15 Dec 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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One error in your map the Isle of Man is NOT part of the United Kingdom, but an independent sovereign state. One with its own government, laws, currency etc.
It is however part of the British Isles by virtue of its geographic location.

And it is not member of the EU, but does have its own trading relations with the EU, the UK and Eire (and many other parts of the World)


Yet it does use the same currency as the UK, if you ever visit, the money minted in Ireland and Scotland is also the same currency, they are all using the Bank of England as Lender of Last Resort. So do the British Overseas Territories, they mint/print their money on their islands, and it is Sterling.

Having been to the Isle of Man, my money from England is accepted and I get the current change in money printed/minted on the Isle, and when I come back to England, I spend Isle of Man printed/minted money here and receive the correct change. Same happens for any GBP Currency supported by the Bank of England.

One quirk is you can get £100 notes outside of England, which is still legal tender in England, the biggest note printed by the Bank of England is £50.
3) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 2023249)
Posted 15 Dec 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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Second, the first referendum was presented in the matter of can they explore the possibility
of a Brexit. From there it has been ram-rodded as an entitlement to ramrod it through.


The vote did not have the words 'explore the possibility of a Brexit.', just LEAVE the European Union, or REMAIN the European Union.

All the arguments and implications on what Leaving would mean were fully argued both ways, yet we still voted to LEAVE.
4) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 2014185)
Posted 4 Oct 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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I actually think the legal side of this situation is breath taking.

As regards to the Supreme Court Judgement, the Judges don't identify (and they have a duty to do so), which Law Boris is supposed to have broken for them to make a judgement, the argument is supposition based on the absent testimony of a former Prime Minister who Prorogued Parliament for six weeks to avoid the Cash for Questions Scandal prior to a General Election, didn't do him any favours, he lost that Election. The suggestion by him that normal prorogation of four weeks should only be subject to an extension of 6 or 7 days, seems to fly in the face of the evidence of his own past, and the fact that Boris only extended Prorogation by 4 days.

The more concerning fact is that the Constitutional practice is that the Judiciary don't have jurisdiction over how the Executive runs Parliament, this flies in the face of centuries of precedent.

Then there's the Benn Act, or Surrender Act, which seeks to force the Prime Minister to ask the EU for an Extension to the deadline on the UK leaving the European Union, set by Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, in the event that No Deal has been agreed by that point.

The Benn Act is a UK Law seeking to control the process of the Lisbon Treaty, an EU Law. It has been established for some time that EU Member States, and the UK is currently an EU Member State, ia subject to EU Law, which supercedes UK Law. The UK Parliament, or UK Government, cannot seek to unilaterally alter EU Law by creating a new UK Law. Therefore to follow the Legal Procedure of Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty the Prime Minister would be acting illegally if he were follow the instructions of a UK Law that seeks to modify the Process of Exiting the European Union. Such modification requires the consent without Veto (at least until the Lisbon Treaty removes EU Member States ability to Veto decisions/agreements), of all 28 Member States of the European Union, this would require European Parliamentary time, and the holding of 28 separate EU Referendums on the modification of a major piece of EU Legislation, all before 31st October 2019.

So I believe that the Prime Minister, at least for the last time in British History would abstain from following the Benn Act , on the basis that the UK Legislation undermines the Lisbon Treaty, and is therefore illegal. So I believe him when he says he's going to follow the Law, and we will be Leaving the EU on 31st October.

There's been some speculation by the same former Prime Minister that gave evidence in absentia at the Supreme Court, that the Prime Minister could suspend the Benn Act by Order of Council, a power reserved by the Prime Minister and certain Government Officials that are members of the Privy Council, to suspend any UK Act for a time. The suggestion being that Boris would suspend the Benn Act until after 31st October, and thus be able to ignore the Act after we Leave the EU by the Lisbon Treaty. I don't personally think he will use this power, unless he's forced to do so.

After all, what can the Opposition do about this? Call for a Vote of No Confidence in the Government, and hand Boris the power to set the date of the General Election, which would obviously be set after 31st October, and we will Leave the EU by the Lisbon Treaty anyway.

The current mess we have in Parliament, where nothing can be done except argue, the so called Zombie Parliament, is due to the fact that the Government are in Minority, a situation normally solved by a Vote of No Confidence, which the opposition Party's refuse to call, because we all know the result, every Remainer MP will lose their seat, the Labour Party and Liberal Democrats will be decimated as Westminster Party's, and Boris will get a Landslide Victory, and get on with the business of actually running the country for the first time since the EEC became the EU, and slowly took over to the point of forcing us to Brexit. The public have watched how self righteous and self interested these MPs have been, riding rough shod over democracy, and the Sovereignty of the people, they mistakenly think that Parliament has Sovereignty, it doesn't is merely holds Sovereignty that the People invest them with at a General Election.

Anyway, its a mess, and whilst I am not a Tory Voter, I think Boris will take the UK out of the EU, with or without a deal, with the majority of the UK Public now wanting No Deal.

I'm likely not to care, I'll be recovering from an operation on 31st October, bless the NHS.
5) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 2010855)
Posted 6 Sep 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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However, the path forward seems overly complex...

6) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 2010854)
Posted 6 Sep 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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Mmm...

7) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 1996447)
Posted 2 Jun 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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Nope. British Steel was in difficulties long before the referendum & Brexit.


I think the criticism of the UK Government in failing to support British Steel is wrong in this instance, except that the delay in leaving has caused it, the reason its occurred is that under EU Membership Rules, the Government can't either bail out or Nationalise an Industry to prevent it from going bust (as Jeremy Corbyn knows already), and the way the EU has engineered the much higher Energy prices in the UK compared to other European countries, and the fact that any project, national or otherwise is compulsory tended to the cheapest bid in the 27 other European States, with lower standards of living, means the British Steel Industry has been slowly bled dry by EU Membership, and the Rules are designed for it to fail as a business.

The fact that our own money in the form of Membership Fees, ToR, and VAT, has been used to fund the export of British Manufacturing Industries and British Jobs to other European or none European States by EU Grants (our money in the first place), is also of some considerable effect.

Lets face it, we're systematically being bled dry in terms of Industry, Jobs, and Money, and people are getting just a tad upset about it.
8) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 1994217)
Posted 18 May 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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I say that Revoking article 50 and remaining is probably a good idea and probably matches the present day opinion of those that could now vote if there was a second referendum, even if all those that voted in the first one did not change their vote.

The reasoning is that the majority of retirees voted for Brexit, but some of these have now died, and therefore cannot vote in a 2nd referendum. These would also be replaced by those now old enough to vote and if these vote as per their generation they will overwhelmingly vote to remain. This decision is going to affect the young a lot more than the old codgers like me. This swing probably happened at the beginning of this year.


Revoking Article 50 and Remaining in the EU would cause Civil Unrest, I'm sure the resulting deaths, serious injury, property damage, and loss to our economy are reason enough to reject your idea as too dangerous. Democracy would have been betrayed, and the Sovereignty of the People stolen, and given away to the unelected Mandarins in the EU Commission.

Your proposal would also mean the end of the United Kingdom by 2022, yet some of us signed contracts in the form of Oaths, to defend the United Kingdom with our lives if necessary, so to put it mildly, I very much disagree and reject your proposal.

Your ageist reasoning is rather unpalatable, and your assumptions on voter intentions are just that, assumptions only.
9) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 1994208)
Posted 18 May 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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Just to note, the petition to the UK Government "Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU" reached 6 million votes and counting.

And that is for those participants that are IT connected enough to work through the clicks...

Hopefully the unfolding story and ongoing rhetoric will become much more sensible so as to avoid a civil war...


All in the Putin sponsored UK Politics...
Martin


This oft quoted 6 Million petition was signed by none UK Citizens from across the Globe, and the evidence of this has been proven in the media, it is not a credible petition.

Indeed, it would only be of some MSM interest if a tad over another 11 Million people signed it, but it still remains an unconvincing poll, and isn't a democratic vote: we had a Democratic People's vote in 2016, the result of which is not subject to dispute.

We also had a General Election inn 2017 where 80+% of the Electorate voted for Party's with Manifestos that guaranteed they would implement Brexit on the terms of the 2016 Vote.

Earlier this month at Local Council Elections across the UK, we've had the Electorate reject both the current policy of Conservative and Labour Party 's continuous attempts to frustrate and undermine the Implementation of Brexit on the terms of the 2016 Vote. There were an awful lot of spoiled ballot papers, and an awful lot of people refused to vote, yet with the reduced voter turn out, the only people happy were the Liberal Democrats, who are the only Party that aren't being vague about wanting to Remain in the UK, they see this as a Victory, and some sort of indication that the British Public have rejected Brexit. They are deluded.

The new Brexit Party standing in the European Union Elections on the 23rd of this month have been polling at up to 38%, they formed the Party just over a month ago. they are likely to sweep the board in less than a week, and will then decide whether they are standing candidates in the next UK General Election.

Meanwhile the Conservative Party wish to obfuscate the politics and change its Leader again, no-one is really interested, but as PM Theresa May is now regarded as a Traitor by a vast proportion of the Electorate, its probably time she was told to 'Go forth and multiply' in less than polite terms; but another General Election will be the only way this country will decide its future, and I predict that the legacy party's are likely to be wiped out.

There's also the looming High Court Case being pursued by the English Democrats, the fact that Treason May has over stepped her legal powers by presenting her extension to Article 50 beyond the Leave Date of 29th March 2019 at 11pm, (this date was created by an Act of Parliament), as some sort of prerogative power, when in fact the only way the date could be changed is by another Act of Parliament. The legal argument is that we have left the EU already.

Interesting times.
10) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 1990651)
Posted 19 Apr 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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The Genius Trump about Brexit.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1116172224459882496
Too bad that the European Union is being so tough on the United Kingdom and Brexit. The E.U. is likewise a brutal trading partner with the United States, which will change. Sometimes in life you have to let people breathe before it all comes back to bite you!
Sigh...
Doesn't Trump know about the "Art of a Deal"?
The EU is not tough on the UK and Brexit.
The EU are simply waiting for a decision from the UK Government to leave or not that the UK citizens voted for leaving in the 2016 referendum!


We should never have used the Article 50 Process, we should have just repealed the 1972 European Communities Act immediately, and told the EU we've left.
11) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 1986557)
Posted 22 Mar 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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Suggested reading for a better understanding of the EU:
Sir Arthur Salter - The United States of Europe 1933
The Great Deception 2005 - Updated 2016


Maybe after we've left on the 29th
12) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 1986554)
Posted 22 Mar 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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Fascist 'European Economic Community' to 'European Union'. That is quite a bit of a stretch.


Unfortunately, that was the first time European Economic Community was used, so not a stretch, a fact, however I think Gorbachev's words were more apt when considering what the European Union actually is.

I suspect that most people voted stay or go emotionally and only the minority middle \ upper classes or intellectuals voted with their wallet, ideology or with ideas like the 'Lisbon Treaty' et al?

Many voted to leave because since Thatcher (Circa 1999) there has been no real opponents to the march towards monetarism in the UK and certainly no social minded governments.


Mmm...I don't think the argument that people were too stupid to vote really carries well with the electorate, certainly Europhiles in Parliament appear to use that position, and of course there is the Communist/Cultural Marxist Shadow Government in waiting in the form of the Labour Party, and if ever there was a deficit in intelligent life we don't need SETI to look for it, just look at the Shadow Cabinet.

The end finances of leaving the EU is yet to be seen.


True, but I'd much rather listen to an independent expert than anyone in Westminster.

There certainly is a relationship building with China and cheap products including low quality piece meal items for the masses.

(It is even driving down legal standards in the UK. For example at one time it would be illegal or unthinkable to sell an electrical device \ component that did not have a UK or EU stamp of approval on it. Now we can buy (and the local shops sell) any old cheap crap... I know... I've had things set on fire that should not have.)


I'd rather the old BSI Mark rather than the EU Stamp of Approval on anything, all it means is it meets their rules, it doesn't mean its any good at what it does.

I don't think all Americans would agree that leaving a wide community for some short (or projected long) term benefits would be a 'no brainer.'


I certainly don't think they would accept being ruled by Canada or Mexico, and have their Laws, Trade, Taxation, and Currency set by an Appointed Committee, with no means to remove them.

20% of the US can't afford basic health care including primary first aid or basic dental care.


Your point is vague, perhaps its a reference to the NHS, that was set up in 1948, before EEC/EU Membership started in 1973? Who knows, certainly Healthcare within the EU is better than that of the US, but we had the best Healthcare System in the World long before the EU, which does not control the NHS, in case anyone is wondering, not until 2020 under the Lisbon Treaty anyway.

It is likely that a larger number struggle to keep a basic or average level of living standards.


Whilst speculation might be interesting, I'd rather someone from the US considered these matters.

For me I think we are facing something of an emotional or perhaps primordial reaction in the Brexit vote.


Intellectual capacity again? Just don't go there.

The reason we haven't left yet or started to disconnect is because the powerful and wealthy are postulating and second guessing what they personally will gain or lose. They also have no regard for law or our political system as things would have moved much quicker otherwise.


Certainly Westminster appears all about vested interests, and self interests, to the point that MPs are selfish, and they would rather obfuscate and confuse, rather than think about the rest of us.

(My vote on Brexit is private as the majority has voted..)


Each to their own, I'm not bothered whether anyone knows, I voted Leave, and would still vote Leave.
13) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 1985725)
Posted 18 Mar 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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I don't mind giving it a try. First, we have to correct your terminology. BREXIT isn't a state, but a process: the process of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" (mouthful!) separating itself from membership of the European Union. So you can't be IN Brexit, it's something you should pass through and come out the other side.


Agreed

Though at the current rate of progress, it doesn't feel like that: staying in Brexit is certainly an apt description.


Agreed

We held a referendum in June 2016 (33 months ago), and we voted roughly 52%::48% - 52% to leave the EU, and 48% to stay a member. There were strong regional variations in the poll, and two of the major components of the UK (Scotland and Northern Ireland) voted to remain in the EU: the other two (England and Wales) voted to leave.


Agreed

I'm a member of the 48% - a Remainer.


I'm a member of the 52% - a Brexiteer, and I think 'brexiteer' is a daft description, although I prefer to label Remainers as Remoaners.

When I'm asked why, I usually reply by saying that I have a multiple sense of scale, of belongingness. I belong in my little courtyard of four houses: I don't belong in the scruffy street that leads up to it. I belong in the village, but I don't belong in the nearest town. I belong in the city (Bradford) where I spent my working life, but I don't belong in the next bigger city (Leeds, 10 miles further away). I do belong in Yorkshire, the county that encompasses them both.


When I'm asked why, I'm more concerned with democracy, in multiple senses. First of all the EU is blatantly undemocratic, EU Commissioners are appointed, I don't care who appoints them, the point is they should be elected by the people, not appointed. Secondly, the EU Commission is lobbied by 2500 companies to enact legislation to enable them to either trade in a new product, trade in something that isn't really tested, or prevent companies outside the EU from competing on an equal footing,

The process of Law Making can only be started by the EU Commission, they decide what Laws or Regulation needs to be created, the EU Parliament full of elected MEPs, each representing about millions of people, in not a very fair way (some countries have smaller populations and yet have more MEPs per capita than other countries, giving the people with a greater population represented less say, but I digress that is a democratic deficit, yet the EU Parliament is unable to make Laws of itself, or even decide it can amend an existing Law, only the EU Commission can do this. The EU parliament does get to vote on the new legislation, and propose amendments though, but can only consider what is put before it by the Commission.

All sounds a little strange doesn't it? It's certainly not the democratic model used in the UK, however in practice it gets worse.

Often the EU Commission asks the companies that lobby them to actually write the proposed new Laws or amendments to existing Laws for it, of which there are literally thousands every year, the EU Commission does not have the time or resources to create these Laws for itself, so the companies do it, and the new proposed Laws are passed to the EU Parliament, often the MEPs find that the company that wrote the new Laws have left their headed company paper in the document, the MEPs have virtually no time to read these new Laws or Amendments to existing Laws, and with the Block Voting nature of the EU Parliament, they rely on their Leadership to tell them which way to vote on each paper.

So there's a big democratic deficit again, the companies write their own Laws, the people that are elected are told how to vote.

On top of this, the UK has a Veto, a rapidly diminishing Veto on new legislation, but of the many times that the UK has Vetoed Legislation, they have lost the subsequent reconsideration, and the Law is passed. The UK has barely 8% of any Vote otherwise in the Parliament and is often over-ruled, even if they try and fail with a Veto afterwards. Under the Lisbon Treaty, by 2020/2022 the EU Parliament introduces Majority Voting, reducing our voting influence down to 3.5% and removing all Vetoes, plus everyone in the EU has to adopt the Euro, and all Sovereignty is transferred to the EU, including our military, Trade Policy, Taxation, Social Care Policy, you name it.

That is a massive democratic deficit, we would be completely controlled by the EU, and our Parliament would be reduced to the status of a Local Council.

And so on. I'm not English (although I was born in England), but I am British - I had visited all three countries by my early teens. I'm not a citizen of the UK: I didn't visit Northern Ireland until last year, 50 years after the other three.


The EU has its own Regionalisation Plans, it wants to combine England with France, Wales and Northern Ireland with the Irish Republic, and Scotland with Scandinavia. Gibraltar would be under the control of Spain. The UK would effectively be no more.

And I've travelled quite widely. I think my first overseas trip was to the USA, aged 4. Since then, I've visited the USSR, much of Europe, India, Africa, and South America. This year, I'm completing the circle with another trip to the USA.


I am former TAVR, and served annually with BAOR in West Germany, visiting the Netherlands, and Denmark, and have had holidays in Greece, all before the Euro was introduced into the Eurozone, of which the UK is not a member state using that currency, we had an argument to use the Exchange Rate Mechanism as a precursor to joining the Euro, but the Euro is not a stable currency, so we decided it wasn't for us, in fact it is a currency closely controlled by German Banks. So we opted out, we also opted out of schengen, due to security concerns, and boy were we right. However, if we stayed in the EU we'd have to adopt both under the Lisbon Treaty.

I've also recently had a holiday in Australia, visiting cousins, and if I'm honest I'd emigrate there like a shot, even if they don't have an NHS, and I am a former retired NHS Ambulance Paramedic, so the stories about 'Brexiteers' not caring about it are baloney.

So I'm not happy with the democratic deficit, or the Lisbon Treaty, and we would both have to admit that neither side described what would happen to the UK under that Treaty during the campaigning in 2016 prior to the Referendum, had they done so I'm sure the result would not have been as close as 4%.

And my conclusion is that the Nation State is at the wrong scale for 'belongingness', and is an artificial construct which has outlived its era. I'll end my days either pottering around Yorkshire, or as a citizen of the planet, perhaps embodied in the United Nations. I see the European Union as a (certainly flawed) first step on the road onwards and outwards to planetary, solar system, galactic belongingness (even though that certainly won't be reached in my lifetime).


Before concluding, I would also add that the roots of the EU was first the European Coal and Steel Community, then the European Economic Community,. This name was first proposed as the name for a post-WW2 means to control Europe in 1942 by the Nazis in Berlin, they called it Europaische Wirtschaffgeseilschaft, which you guessed it, means European Economic Community in German, because the Nazis thought they were going to win. It later was renamed the European Union.

If ever there was a bad smell about an organisation, then the fact that it was first proposed by Nazis, has to be it.

In conclusion, I would say that anyone that voted Remain, wasn't voting for what has since happened and what is proposed subsequent to the Lisbon Treaty as the future of the EU, because nobody was aware of this in 2016, except the politicians. I'm afraid I won't accept the loss of my country, and its Sovereignty , I do not see the EU as being democratic, in fact I see it as the opposite, it is anti-democratic, and quite frankly, the way we've been treated, the way the EU has treated Theresa May, who is an idiot, but is our idiot, and disrespecting her is disrespecting the UK, and I won't accept that.

In terms of finances, we currently receive in EU Grants/Funding just 55% of what we pay into the EU in Membership Fee, ToR (Tariffs), and VAT (an EU Tax) (2018 figures from the European Parliament), and by 2022 our UK Rebate (negotiated by Margaret Thatcher) will be ended under the Lisbon Treaty, and we will by then only receive 38% of what we pay into the EU.

It is estimated that we will be £137 Billion better off in the first year outside the EU on WTO Terms, and £640 Billion better off over the first five years, conversely the EU will be £500 Billion worse off over the same period, figures courtesy Professor Minfford.

Its what you Americans call a 'no brainer'.

That's my story, anyway. Others will contribute theirs.


My contribution.
14) Message boards : Politics : Yellow Vest Movement? (Message 1983056)
Posted 2 Mar 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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There appears nothing, or virtually nothing on Mainstream Media about the protests that started in France, have resulted in the Deaths and serious injuries to protesters at the hands of French Riot Police, and now appear to be threatening to overthrow the French Government.

The Yellow Vest Movement appears to be spreading all across Europe, and has even started in the UK.

Does anyone know why its not being reported?
15) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 1983048)
Posted 2 Mar 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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So no, we aren't responsible for the actions of a Government we had no control over in terms of being able to vote them out of power every five years.

Isn't that exactly what was claimed from the dock at Nuremberg?


Mmm...didn't we fight against those guys, single handedly for over a year, before the World took sufficient notice, and put them in that Court?

Trying to make out the British & Commonwealth that fought the Nazis, were in fact the Nazis, is not only a bit of a stretch, but really quite offensive, and immoral, so much so that I think this is the last time I'll respond to such nonsense.
16) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 1982707)
Posted 1 Mar 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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What appealing packaging? I've yet to have anyone explain what is so appealing about being ruled from abroad.

Then why did your country do it to so many peoples for so long? Perhaps it is time for: "Turn about is fair play."


I've no idea what time frame you're using,

If I had to guess I'd say the time frame "The sun never sets on the British Empire."
As to location everything going west from Hong Kong, through England and west to the islands in the South Pacific.


Well duh, that's virtually the same period of time I've been talking about, 95% of the People of the UK had no say in how their country was being run, the top 5% ran the World for the top 5%, they elected themselves to rule in Parliament, WW1 is more about rich people squabbling than anything else.

The History of Universal Suffrage is a poor one in the UK

In the United Kingdom the removal of voting rights based on religion occurred with the Roman Catholic Relief Act 1791 and Roman Catholic Relief Act 1829. The right to vote has never since been based on race or religion except in Northern Ireland where a property requirement in effect excluded indigenous Irish Catholics from electing the Stormont Parliament in Belfast until the achievements of the Civil Rights Movement in 1969. All adult men were enfranchised by the Representation of the People Act 1918. This Act granted some women the right to vote in national elections, but about 60% of women (those under 30 or not meeting property qualifications) were excluded until the Equal Franchise Act 1928, when women were granted the vote on the same terms as men. The Representation of the People Act 1948 removed plural voting rights held by about 7% of the electorate. The Representation of the People Act 1969 reduced the voting age from 21 to 18.

So no, we aren't responsible for the actions of a Government we had no control over in terms of being able to vote them out of power every five years.

No, we're not going to be ruled from abroad by an appointed EU Commission with Global Corporate hands up their backs, making all the Laws here, Rubber Stamped by the EU Parliament, where we have barely 8% of the vote, to be reduced to less than 3.5% in 2020 by Qualified Majority Voting of the 27 other EU Member States, and forced upon us here in the UK. Especially when our GDP is greater than 19 other Member States added together, and they plan to make us pay for the asset stripping of UK Manufacturing, as the EU gives grants to UK Companies to move to Eastern Europe.

Maybe the US should be ruled by Mexico?
17) Message boards : Politics : BREXIT (Message 1982496)
Posted 27 Feb 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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What appealing packaging? I've yet to have anyone explain what is so appealing about being ruled from abroad.

Then why did your country do it to so many peoples for so long? Perhaps it is time for: "Turn about is fair play."


I've no idea what time frame you're using, but if you're referring to the American War of Independence, back then the King was a Constitutional Monarch, he had no real power, that was all an illusion, much like today with Queen Elizabeth II, executive power at that time was wielded by the UK Parliament, like it is today, who were elected.

However, back then, with rotten boroughs, and the fact that only 5% of the UK Population was eligible to vote before Universal Suffrage after WW1, then the electorate were the top 5%, the rich people, and our military was forcing poor people into service, so you can extract from that, that 95% of people had no say in the foreign policy or war making of the UK.

Now you want people who have a vote, to have their democracy ignored, and then punish the UK for the actions of dead people against other dead people? I can only assume you also believe that if someone commits murder, then their children have to pay for that crime?

If you'd like to string up the 2/3rds of our Elected Parliament that wants us to stay within the EU, I'd have no objection and request a delay whilst I buy popcorn to watch.

Its looking increasingly like Parliament is going to ignore the Will of the British People, and force us into a deal where we pay £39 Billion for nothing, and allow the EU to run 60% of our Laws, for an indeterminate period of time. This is neither staying IN or OUT of the EU, and satisfies no-one except the EU, who are rubbing their hands at the actions of our stupid Parliament.

It's looking like they want to force us to Vote again, but wish to take WTO off the Ballot Paper, so its going to be either Remain, or mostly Remain.

I really don't know how much longer the British People are going to put up with this, but no doubt it will be entertaining for foreigners to watch.
18) Message boards : Team Recruitment Center : Mmm...no team called CANZUK (Message 1982487)
Posted 27 Feb 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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OK, I bit the bullet and created it, if anybody is interested in joining a new team, called 'CANZUK'.

Its aimed at Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, and British people, but citizens of Crown Dependencies, and Overseas Territories of those four Countries are also invited.

The whole idea of the team is to promote the implementation of CANZUK, there's no other Agenda.

Cheers everyone.

Wayne
19) Message boards : Politics : Another example of USA Gun Laws (or lack of...)? (Message 1977166)
Posted 26 Jan 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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We will have our Independence, we will not become a vassal state ruled from abroad, and we will be using the phrase 'No taxation without representation'
20) Message boards : Politics : Another example of USA Gun Laws (or lack of...)? (Message 1977164)
Posted 26 Jan 2019 by Profile M5WJF
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English compromise ... "You will 'compromise' or we will force 'compromise' upon you".......
That one is, sadly, still all too true, and apparently the permanent mindset of our current Brexiteers.

And the mindset of our shutdown proponents


Interesting that you compare the position of your left wing liberals with the position of our patriots, isn't that illogical?


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