Posts by JStateson

21) Message boards : Politics : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here 2 (Message 2010484)
Posted 2 Sep 2019 by Profile JStateson
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Looks like a net deficit to me. Either they stored away a pile of euros for a rainy day or they are minting euros like gridcoins.

Since the gross national incomes are not stated how do you draw that conclusion?


I assume they normalized it as would be done in any legit study. Clearly, I was mistaken.
22) Message boards : Politics : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here 2 (Message 2010375)
Posted 1 Sep 2019 by Profile JStateson
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Maybe this could explain the Poland/Germany relationship.



Looks like a net deficit to me. Either they stored away a pile of euros for a rainy day or they are minting euros like gridcoins.
23) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Whatcha Watching? (Message 2010359)
Posted 1 Sep 2019 by Profile JStateson
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Just woke up from binge watch of Carnival Row. Somehow, watching fairies and humans copulate is an interesting idea but not much of a turn on. I did not like the ending and assume it will be another year to find out what happens, assuming it is not canceled.
24) Message boards : Number crunching : Lost "Ghost" task recovery protocol (Message 2010075)
Posted 31 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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I am trying to do this. At the end of WOW I checked and one of my system has over 200 missing tasks "in progress".

They are all of type
SETI@home v8 v8.22 (opencl_nvidia_SoG)x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

I tried that procedure twice, exactly was specified but only downloaded more of the cuda90 tasks. I think those SoG tasks are left over when I changed to the anonymous platform for cuda90.
You'd (somehow) need to check the actual WU names involved (eg blc35_2bit_guppi_58643_81781_HIP30272_0117.24267.818.23.46.55.vlar, 21jn08aa.4823.11933.16.43.106.vlar_1 etc) as "SETI@home v8 v8.22 (opencl_nvidia_SoG)x86_64-pc-linux-gnu" is just the name of the application that has been assigned to process the WU, not the actual WU's name. Since you're now using a different application, that is the name that was assigned to the WUs this time around when they were actually downloaded.


I detached and re-attached and all the tasks were marked as abandoned. I then restored the anonymous platform to run that cuda90 stuff. At least the server knows not to wait for any results from me.

While doing this I went and did an update and upgrade to (18.04) and saw the following error messages
Setting up boinc-client (7.16.1+dfsg+201908161115~ubuntu18.04.1) ...
usermod: group 'render' does not exist
Could not assign boinc user to group 'render'


Boinc terminated during the upgrade but a restart went ok. AFICT those errors are ignorable.
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Lost "Ghost" task recovery protocol (Message 2010053)
Posted 30 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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I am trying to do this. At the end of WOW I checked and one of my system has over 200 missing tasks "in progress".

They are all of type
SETI@home v8 v8.22 (opencl_nvidia_SoG)x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

I tried that procedure twice, exactly was specified but only downloaded more of the cuda90 tasks. I think those SoG tasks are left over when I changed to the anonymous platform for cuda90.

Is there some way I can finish those tasks off?
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with Teamviewer (Message 2010004)
Posted 30 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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sadly i found no remote viewing software that works. correctly. from home net work to across the city etc.


I found Anydesk works for me. It allowed me to access my home network when I was travelling across the USA last year.

I backed up all my pictures from my laptop to my home PC.

Works on Linux as well, for the WOW event I have 5 "headless" Linux boxes and use Anydesk to remote into them no problem



I was not aware of anydesk. I have been using splashtop and paying $17 a year for 5 access anywhere connections but I supplement it with RealVNC for Linux support in the subnet (5 free).

I read that anydesk is free for personal use but I did not see any details like how many connection can be used of if it only works in the subnet, etc. It appears you can drag and drop stuff using anydesk. Is that included in the free-for-personnel-use ? I cannot do that in my $17 a year subscription although text can be pasted.
27) Message boards : Number crunching : The page showing "all tasks" (Message 2010002)
Posted 30 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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You don't have to look very far. Try the 'Add-ons' link in the 'Project' menu in the navigation bar above this forum. Or go direct to https://boinc.berkeley.edu/addons.php.

There's been a page like that for donkeys' years, but I was surprised to see that it has been kept reasonably well up-to-date: Last modified 4:24 AM UTC, March 02 2019.


Never knew that page existed. I asked back in June about promoting add-ones but never got a response from anyone. May I suggest a "sticky" thread for that "Promotions" forum that refers to that page? Promotions and add-ons go hand in hand.
28) Message boards : Number crunching : The page showing "all tasks" (Message 2009994)
Posted 30 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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There are a couple of external programs that will track your progress - SETISpirit and BOINC Stats come to mind, but I dare say there are others.


Thanks for mentioning SETISpirit! I had never heard of it before your post. Some time ago I posted over at that BOINC "Promotion" forum that they should promote and encourage 3rd party apps. This seems to be one yet I had never heard of it. Poking around I see it started in 2013 and is freeware. Apparently, the sources are proprietary as I did not see a source repository mentioned.
29) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC teams, help Gridcoin test scalability of the Gridcoin team requirement removal (Message 2009922)
Posted 30 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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May I ask where you got your stats from? Was that from the Block Explorer link in the wallet?



funny you should ask that as I inadvertently closed that stats window before I had finished the post and it took about 15 minutes of googling before I could find it again.

gridcoinstats.eu has stats on everyone on gridcoin just hard to lookup up "leaders"

at that .eu site click on the "network" tab then select "cpid's and magnitude"

I then did a search for my userid. jstateson and clicked on it.

Note the original poster (James) is listed and has a huge RAC with Collatz but the magnitude is really low with Einstein paying more GRC for a lot less credit points. Just shows how Collatz is over rated in credits. I personally don't consider it much of a math project let alone a research project.
30) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC teams, help Gridcoin test scalability of the Gridcoin team requirement removal (Message 2009920)
Posted 30 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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Very roughly, can you or anyone else provide any actual metrics for the resource impact you have observed when running with Gridcoin compared to running without?

I understand the GRC returns for crunching are dynamic and layered, but can you provide a rough estimate of the returns you see relative to S@H credit?


I was not aware of the policy change that is going on concerning clubs and GRC earnings. I was in the A&M club for a long time but switched to gridcoin to earn coins.

I might be able to help with a rough estimate. This url shows my earning. Going to reproduce the values here as they change with time:

The following is my "magnitude" as of 29 Aug, the end of the WOW project. I ran 7 hosts but only worked on SETI and WCG. The other projects show a residual magnitude as results were turned in before the start of WOW are finally paying. Note that there is a large ratio of magnitude [seti =to= gpugrid] but the RAC is not as large a ratio about 5:4. Basically that says SETI paid more over 5:1 compared to credits earning by under GPUGrid.




so what did that magnitude turn into as gridcoin?

This image shows the last 4 payouts. All payouts occurred after the start of the WOW So the total magnitude of 353.71 turned into 280+104+206+ (probably only half of)461 about 850-1000 grc total but of which the WOW contributed about 2/3 of that or guessing about 600 grc for SETI & WCG during the last 2 weeks. Not even close to my electric bill in value.

31) Message boards : Number crunching : Setting up Linux to crunch CUDA90 and above for Windows users (Message 2009870)
Posted 29 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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This is the board in that system:
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/G1Sniper-Z87-rev-11#kf


I also have GEN=4 (two identical socket 1050 TB85) and I had to disable the on board graphics on the system with the I7 chip. The other board, the one I just posted about) had a Xeon chip which did not have intel graphics. I originaly tried getting the intel gen4 hd graphics to run OpenCL but intel does not support Gen4 or earlier from what I read so the 3nd board I built I got a xeon which was a lot cheaper.

You might check your on-board graphics and see if the desktop is there or simply make sure the onboard is disabled on that gigabyte

HTH
32) Message boards : Number crunching : Setting up Linux to crunch CUDA90 and above for Windows users (Message 2009862)
Posted 29 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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One of the ubuntu cruncher is booting to a black screen now. I read its the probably the video driver. Do I have anyway to repair without reinstall?


Not sure if my solution will work for you, but by trial and error I found that my motherboard slot that was X16 (I had only 1 of those, the rest were x1) was the only one that would consistently have the 18.04 desktop. The other GPUs would occasionally show a raster with no info or color, or a black screen with an X cursor the mouse could move but no other control. Also, putting an HDMI dummy load on any of the GPUs did not help. If the dummy load was on the X16 slot, replacing it with a monitor generated an "display out of range" but the monitor lacked ability to sync. I had to always boot with the monitor attached if I wanted to use nvidia-settings as it would never run from remote access using ssh from my windows desktop. I am using 430.40 driver. It seems the driver can make a huge difference. On my system the BUS-IDs are all the same using
nvidia-smi,
lspci | grep VGA
nvidia-settings


However I read here
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1062659/ci-bus-id-and-gpu-id
that other drivers can give inconsistent results.

If I number the slots from left to right with left "s0" closest to CPU I get the following
s0 bus-id 2 GPU-1
s1 bus-id 1 GPU-0
s2 3 2
s3 4 3
s4 5 4
s5 6 5

s1 is the x16 slot
for comparison, the BOINC client calls GPU3 "D0" as it is a gtx1660Ti and thinks it is better than the gtx1070Ti that nvidia calls GPU0

I no longer use 4-in-1 splitter but I will look into reusing one as I found I had a problem GPU that and I had thought the problem was the splitter instead. If a splitter goes in the numbering changes but is consistent. Also, some GPUs seem to work OK on risers and others that work OK in their own motherboard slot have a problem when on a riser. I am still looking that this. I tried different quality USB3 cables but it seem one gtx1070, the my EVGA "SC" seems to not like being on a riser.
33) Message boards : Number crunching : Linux Distro, what's the best flavor for long time MS Windows user. (Message 2009160)
Posted 25 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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First computer game I ever played was the "cave". A text based adventure game written in fortran for Dec. l really enjoyed the Spider Solitare Microsoft had for vista, 7 and 8. I have it on 10 but it gets replaced on every major update. After I retired I wrote a solution for it to find the first empty column. I get motion sickness within minutes on 3d games so I stick to plants-vs-zombies;.
34) Message boards : Number crunching : Setting up Linux to crunch CUDA90 and above for Windows users (Message 2009158)
Posted 25 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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How do you guys check if your gpus are working correctly.


Temps are a problem for me as my linux rigs are in the garage. Ambient temps are 100f even at night. I periodically ssh into the Linux boxes and use "nvidia-smi -l 2" or "watch -n 2 sensors" to monitor fans and temps. All my socket 1366 CPUs I downclock using an intel script and I have a 30" box fan on the rigs. I keep the attic trapdoor open for the heat to rise, but I cant crack the garage door more than a few inches because of a Feral Hog Problem. Tonight is bad and I shut down the AMD rig.
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin GPU-based Mining Machines good for BOINC / SETI? (Message 2009072)
Posted 24 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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As a "newcomer" to Linux multi GPU crunching I am looking to try and "consolidate" some of my single machines into one so that I can have all 5 of my GTX 750ti's in one box.

Then perhaps my 2 GTX1050's, and my GTX970 in another

I have been looking at Bitcoin mining mother boards as a possible answer and wonder if anyone has any advice on which boards and which CPU's will give me decent performance without breaking the bank

I know I will need PSU's that can cope and I will probably house them the "mining" type chassis with the GPU's on top via extenders.

Any advice will be welcome.



Be careful connecting the x1 risers. if put in backwards or offset too far out or in you will ruin the GPU. Been there, doen that, bought the bricked RX570.

I have seen picture of a mining motherboard that had "usb 3" sockets instead of x1 slots but so far have not seen it for sale anywhere.
36) Message boards : Number crunching : Setting up Linux to crunch CUDA90 and above for Windows users (Message 2009071)
Posted 24 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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I think this system one of the pciexpress slots on the motherboard is bad. GPU keeps on being detected to being detected. I swapped the two GPUs and same issue. I now moved it into another machine.


Pretty sure I have this exact problem. This task shows the same "GPU cannot be used" that your system error file shows.

---once every couple of days----

On a 5 GPU rig, one of the GPUs crunches for 0-1 seconds then goes on to another work unit. A queue of "waiting to run" starts building up. Because there are 4 other working GPUs. they pull from this queue so the queue grows only slowly. After about an hour or two there might be 40 items in the queue.

sudo /etc/init.d/boinc-client restart => does not always work
sudo shutdown now => looks like it works but I generally cycle the power after a few minutes of waiting

When the system boots back up I run a script to set the fans to %100 else temps get up past 80 for a pair of gtx1060
All the work units eventually complete without error. There are no error messages in the event log (I need to double check that as I may have looked in wrong log) and the only indication of a problem is the "this GPU cannot be used'. This system is run 24/7 with a 6 fans behind the 5 GPUs plus a 30 inch box fan. Wall power shows 670 watt load. I have seasonic gold either 750 or 850 but cannot easily tell.
37) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : garbage collect error cases GPU to hang (Message 2008965)
Posted 23 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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This just happened again. I had doubled the memory thinking it was out of memory. This system has 7.16.1 client but I use boinctasks to access. When this happens the GPU is stuck and never gets another task.

sudo /etc/boinc-client restart

is a disaster, the tasks disappear but they never show up again.

top shows 6 seti tasks but no client

boinccmd --quit says it cannot connect to the client.

sudo shutdown now

may work but after about 5 minutes I cycle the power.

Wonder if this could be reported as a bug or a request to handle stuck task differently. I failed to make a note of which GPU was stuck. If the same one then possibly a hardware problem.
38) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : something wrong with "ati5_nocal" (Message 2008963)
Posted 23 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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Notice that one of my tasks is now at 3 hours elapsed: 03:16:47

SETI@home	8.22 SETI@home v8 (opencl_ati5_SoG_nocal)	0.0463C + 1ATI (d2)	94.1	03:16:47 (03:05:14)	00:09:44	rx560	21au19aa.29610.1703.11.38.45_1			
SETI@home	8.22 SETI@home v8 (opencl_ati5_nocal)	0.0463C + 1ATI (d1)	5.75	00:19:02 (00:01:05)	00:02:10	rx560	21au19aa.31145.50461.6.33.100.vlar_1		
SETI@home	8.22 SETI@home v8 (opencl_ati5_nocal)	0.0463C + 1ATI (d4)	5.95	00:17:13 (00:01:01)	00:03:03	rx560	21au19aa.16733.47291.16.43.249.vlar_0		
SETI@home	8.22 SETI@home v8 (opencl_ati5_nocal)	0.0463C + 1ATI (d0)	6.04	00:16:42 (00:01:00)	00:03:17	rx560	21au19aa.32315.42281.14.41.145.vlar_0			
SETI@home	8.22 SETI@home v8 (opencl_ati5_nocal)	0.0463C + 1ATI (d3)	6.42	00:15:05 (00:00:58)	00:03:26	rx560	21au19aa.32315.42281.14.41.175.vlar_1	


I then went over to all my tasks and looked at all "errors"
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=2129&offset=20&show_names=0&state=6&appid=

sure enough, looks like the no_cal have a problem. Under preferences there is no option to prevent no_cal from downloading. Any suggestions? Using boinctasks I can set a timeout but eventually I got to go in there and abort them manually.

The AP errors were because I failed to install the OpenCL library on that nVidia system. Not sure why just the nocal fail on this ATI system.

[EDIT] Just discovered that if I suspend and then resume, the task goes on to finish just fine.

1. Suspend: after a few seconds the GPU gets another task.
2. Resume: after a few minutes one of the other tasks completes and the formerly suspended one picks up. I notice the 3 hour elapsed time is gone and is replaced with only a few minutes. that is inconsistent. if 3 hours wall clock elapsed why did it revert back to 0 or whatever? Anyway, it finished and uploaded. Do not know if it is to error out as it is hard to lookup those tasks once uploaded.
39) Message boards : Number crunching : RTX 2060 vs 2060 super (Message 2008733)
Posted 22 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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I've read that the RTX2060 Super is just a remarked RTX2070


I am disappointed with the entire line. All the high performance boards use the 8 + 6 pin connectors and over 200 watts. My pair of 1070ti blowers run cool in comparison inside my Area51. I looked at an upgrade to 2080super but Newegg is out of blower and Dell has blowers at $938 but their PNY do not have USB-C. The area51 case is built for blowers and the those cheap 3 fan supers will heat the inside terrible. I took out my pair of 1070ti and put them in my Linux mining rig for the WOW event. I found a gtx670 in the attic for my area51 and will live with that until the WOW is over. The gtr670 also has 8+6 and 3 fans so I left the side open on the case..
40) Message boards : Number crunching : Peformance tool for BoincTasks users (Message 2008727)
Posted 22 Aug 2019 by Profile JStateson
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Connected 1kw XFX power supply to 220 volt. Power usage dropped from averaging 930 watts to just over 800. I did not expect that large of a drop. The main purpose I did the conversion was to balance the A/C load . This was a 7 gpu rig. When on 110v it was 920 +/- about 20 watts. The 240 v wattmeter uses a magnetic coil pickup unlike the 110v one and varies wildly. about the 800 mark. I wired up my own cable.

[edit]was not Thermaltake



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