Posts by bill_mole

41) Message boards : Number crunching : QUESTION REGARDING CREDITS (Message 301656)
Posted 10 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
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Yes, damn, I forgot that was the problem in the first place. Yes, after you run out of work. Download and install the latest version of boinc, which hopefully will be 5.4.X by that time. then do the detach/reattach.


Thanks again Tony

I think I know what to do now! Maybe I'll get to understand these Electric Brains one of these days.

I need to wait a couple of days for the queues to drain now - then I'll tidy everything up . . .

Regards,
Bill_Mole


UPDATE:

Um . . . . I drained the queues, detached both projects, and completely uninstalled BOINC.

I then located the latest BOINC download and reinstalled from scratch; now Boinc Manager is 5.2.13.

Good News - I got some 4.18 Units and some 5.12 Units - I get to try the new Work Units!

Bad News - My computer still wants double Credit on 4.18 Units!

Sort of Good News, it claims more or less the same as everyone else (within reasonable variation) on beta Units - has done all along.

AntiVirus and AntiSpyware say my System is clean.

This is soooo embarrassing - any suggestions for reducing my PC's greed to normal please?

Regards,
Bill_Mole
42) Message boards : SETI@home Science : What if SETI is looking for the wrong signals? (Message 297519)
Posted 6 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
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What if SETI is looking for the wrong sort of signals?


Looking at my current SETI work unit, 01mr99.ab6406.9074.386086.1.0_1, recorded Tuesday march 02, 1999, from: 11hr 31’ 48’ RA +24 deg 43’ 5” Dec on base freq: 1.41999999 Ghz.

Around 82% competion is where I notice what seems to be, to me a strange occurrence. There is a quite distinct weaker powered signal that increases uniformly in frequency over time.

Mark Bollman,
University of Portsmouth,
Software Engineering, BSC(Hons)Year 1.


Hi Mark,

I remember this 'signal' from the SETI Classic Days. I've seen it a couple of times.

As I understand it, this effect is an artifact of the splitting and analysis process, and occurs at the Center Frequency of 1.4200000 Ghz., where the software deliberately suppresses the signal a bit to avoid generating a spurious signal when the results are recombined - or some such explanation. The line appears to be sloping across the display becuse the data has been 'chirped', or shifted in frequency with time, to search for signals with a doppler shift component. There used to be a Science Article on it, but it seems to have disappeared.

Congratulations - you have seen a rare demonstration that your SETI cruncher is really working!

Regards,
Bill_Mole
43) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Solar Eclipse March 29th 2006 (Message 296117)
Posted 5 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
Post:
News Bulletin

This doesn't seem to have had much coverage in the UK media - probably due to the weather . . .



Update - the BBC have done a "Sky at Night" TV Programme on the eclipse, now available over the Internet here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/proginfo.shtml

together with their archive of previous programmes.

Enjoy . . .

Bill_Mole
44) Message boards : Number crunching : QUESTION REGARDING CREDITS (Message 296108)
Posted 5 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
Post:
Yes, damn, I forgot that was the problem in the first place. Yes, after you run out of work. Download and install the latest version of boinc, which hopefully will be 5.4.X by that time. then do the detach/reattach.


Thanks again Tony

I think I know what to do now! Maybe I'll get to understand these Electric Brains one of these days.

I need to wait a couple of days for the queues to drain now - then I'll tidy everything up . . .

Regards,
Bill_Mole
45) Message boards : Number crunching : QUESTION REGARDING CREDITS (Message 295744)
Posted 5 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
Post:
there are many places with instructions on how to optimize, but if you want to get back to normal, do this:
1)set all projects to "no new tasks/work"

2) run yourself out of work

3) highlight Setiathome on the "projects" tab, then pick detach

4) reattach to seti, all needed files will download automatically, even the new enhanced applications/work if it's available.

you won't loose credit or anything.

tony


Hi Tony,

Yes, I think I'll go back to basics.

I've set both projects to "no new work" (SETI Std & Beta - that's all I'm running). It will take a couple of days to run down.

Should I uninstall/reinstall BOINC?

Regards,
Bill_mole

P.S. I now have to go to work for a bit (Client calls). Back later
46) Message boards : Number crunching : QUESTION REGARDING CREDITS (Message 295688)
Posted 5 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
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Bill, didn't you install a crunch3r boinc client the other day? If so, did you also install the optimized seti application? I see your benchmarks are about twice what mine are for a similar machine:

Measured floating point speed 2698.47 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 7664.51 million ops/sec

If you just installed the optimized boinc client, then that explains why your claims are twice (or better) than what they should be. You should also have installed the optimized application along with it.

tony


Hi Tony,

I did give it a try a short while back, but got 'out of my depth' fairly rapidly, and ended up thinking I had got back to my original position - obviously not. Is there an 'easy recovery' route without losing my account/credit ratings?

Regards,
Bill_mole
47) Message boards : Number crunching : QUESTION REGARDING CREDITS (Message 295658)
Posted 5 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
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Can anyone explain why my computer seems to want to claim around double the credit of anyone else - is it just being greedy?
Short story: It's a bug. Maybe even a feature. Don't sweat it.

Longer version: The accreditation system in use rules out the highest and lowest claims and grants the middle one when all three return the same results. As long as all three computers agree on that, you'll get credit (otherwise a fourth computer is called in).


OK! Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it.

Now I'll go back to letting things work themselves out.

Regards,
Bill_Mole

48) Message boards : Number crunching : QUESTION REGARDING CREDITS (Message 295645)
Posted 5 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
Post:

All about credit


Can anyone explain why my computer seems to want to claim around double the credit of anyone else - is it just being greedy?

Is there an easy way to convince it to get in line with the rest of the world? It's becoming embarrassing . . .

Thanks,
Bill_Mole
49) Message boards : Number crunching : cannot get seti to work anymore (Message 294799)
Posted 4 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
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Glad to hear you've gotten work.

In two weeks when those ghost WUs aren't returned, they'll be marked as errors and you may notice a reduction in your quota. Nothing to be done about this but to continue to return good WUS. For each good WU returned your quota will double, so it it's down to 1/cpu/day, return one and it's 2, then 4, then 8 and you'll quickly be back up to 100.

tony


Thanks Tony,

I will watch out for the slow-down; I'll know what's happening so it shouldn't be a problem.

Regards,
Bill_Mole
50) Message boards : Number crunching : cannot get seti to work anymore (Message 294753)
Posted 4 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
Post:


I have BOINC Manager 5.2.8
Most recently I was running SETI 4.18
I have 6 beta units, enough for about 5 days, running on 5.12

I assume 4.18 will update automatically when it's ready.

At about the time noted I tried resetting and then detaching/reattaching SETI (manually) to try and "shake some Work Units loose", which explains the messages above.

I also tried some manual updates - with similar lack of success. Then I saw this thread and decided to join in.

Regards,
Bill_Mole



Hi Michael & Mmciastro,

I applied patience and waited - and lo and behold 20 work units turned up in the last 15 minutes or so. It must have been Ghosts in the system as you suggested - panic over.

Many thanks for your support and kind words of advice.

Regards,
Bill_Mole
51) Message boards : Number crunching : cannot get seti to work anymore (Message 294086)
Posted 3 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
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I see this:

03/05/2006 10:11:34|SETI@home|Resetting project
03/05/2006 10:11:34||request_reschedule_cpus: exit_tasks
03/05/2006 10:11:34||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
03/05/2006 10:12:30|SETI@home|Resetting project
03/05/2006 10:12:30||request_reschedule_cpus: exit_tasks
03/05/2006 10:12:30|SETI@home|Detaching from project

followed by more resets and detachments. Are you doing this or it boinc doing this??? Which core client are you using??? 5.2.13, etc, do you currently have beta work to crunch?


I have BOINC Manager 5.2.8
Most recently I was running SETI 4.18
I have 6 beta units, enough for about 5 days, running on 5.12

I assume 4.18 will update automatically when it's ready.

At about the time noted I tried resetting and then detaching/reattaching SETI (manually) to try and "shake some Work Units loose", which explains the messages above.

I also tried some manual updates - with similar lack of success. Then I saw this thread and decided to join in.

Regards,
Bill_Mole

52) Message boards : Number crunching : cannot get seti to work anymore (Message 294049)
Posted 3 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
Post:
Thanks and Regards,
Bill

You're seeing Ghosts. This happens once in a great while and noone I know of has tracked down exactly why it's happening. The servers assigned them and shipped them to you, but you didn't get them. Now that Seti thinks you've gotten your limit, it won't let you get anymore until tomorrow (or whenever their clock is set for). Hmmmm,

thinking


Thanks for this - it had me worried for a while - now I'll sit back and see if I get some more units tomorrow. Meanwhile I will let Beta have my spare cycles, as I seem to be getting units from there OK.

Many thanks for the advice.

Regards,
Bill
53) Message boards : Number crunching : cannot get seti to work anymore (Message 294037)
Posted 3 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
Post:
If he was returning errors, wouldn't his quota be lower? It might be a connection issue where he got "ghosts" that are counting agains his total. Bill, do you have 100 uncrunched results on your work tab that were downloaded today(last 24 hours)?


Hi Mmciastro,

I can see I apparently have about 80 or so units on the BOINC Server, but none at this end.

I have a firewall which is set to allow SETI and BOINC to communicate unhindered; and messages and completed units have been flowing fine.

That takes me past the limits of my small expertise . . .

Thanks and Regards,
Bill
54) Message boards : Number crunching : cannot get seti to work anymore (Message 294012)
Posted 3 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
Post:
bill mole: COuld you unhide your computers please so I can take a look at them?


Hi Michael,

I think that should do it - sorry!

Regards,
Bill
55) Message boards : Number crunching : cannot get seti to work anymore (Message 293997)
Posted 3 May 2006 by Profile bill_mole
Post:
Hi Folks,

I have also apparently been cut-off from SETI, having not received any new work for about 5 days now. When the last WU in my system drained away without replacement (about 09:40 BST - UTC+1)I tried resetting, and even detaching and re-attaching, with no success. All I have are the following messages:

03/05/2006 09:40:44|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 09:40:44|SETI@home|Reason: Requested by user
03/05/2006 09:40:44|SETI@home|Reporting 1 results
03/05/2006 09:40:49|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
03/05/2006 10:08:55||Suspending computation and network activity - running CPU benchmarks
03/05/2006 10:08:55|SETI@home Beta Test|Pausing result 01jn01aa.18567.12098.286082.3.22_1 (left in memory)
03/05/2006 10:08:58||Running CPU benchmarks
03/05/2006 10:09:57||Benchmark results:
03/05/2006 10:09:57|| Number of CPUs: 1
03/05/2006 10:09:57|| 2698 double precision MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
03/05/2006 10:09:57|| 7665 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
03/05/2006 10:09:57||Finished CPU benchmarks
03/05/2006 10:09:58||Resuming computation and network activity
03/05/2006 10:09:58||request_reschedule_cpus: Resuming activities
03/05/2006 10:09:58|SETI@home Beta Test|Resuming result 01jn01aa.18567.12098.286082.3.22_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 512
03/05/2006 10:09:58|SETI@home Beta Test|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 10:09:58|SETI@home Beta Test|Reason: To fetch work
03/05/2006 10:09:58|SETI@home Beta Test|Requesting 1079 seconds of new work
03/05/2006 10:10:03|SETI@home Beta Test|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta_cgi/cgi succeeded
03/05/2006 10:10:05|SETI@home Beta Test|Started download of 03ap01aa.22043.114.792340.3.222
03/05/2006 10:10:58|SETI@home Beta Test|Finished download of 03ap01aa.22043.114.792340.3.222
03/05/2006 10:10:58|SETI@home Beta Test|Throughput 6804 bytes/sec
03/05/2006 10:10:59||request_reschedule_cpus: files downloaded
03/05/2006 10:11:34|SETI@home|Resetting project
03/05/2006 10:11:34||request_reschedule_cpus: exit_tasks
03/05/2006 10:11:34||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
03/05/2006 10:12:30|SETI@home|Resetting project
03/05/2006 10:12:30||request_reschedule_cpus: exit_tasks
03/05/2006 10:12:30|SETI@home|Detaching from project
03/05/2006 10:12:30||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
03/05/2006 10:12:57||Fetching config info from http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/get_project_config.php
03/05/2006 10:13:28|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Master file download succeeded
03/05/2006 10:13:28|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 10:13:28|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Reason: Requested by user
03/05/2006 10:13:28|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Requesting 432000 seconds of new work
03/05/2006 10:15:36|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Resetting project
03/05/2006 10:15:36||request_reschedule_cpus: exit_tasks
03/05/2006 10:15:36|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Detaching from project
03/05/2006 10:15:36||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
03/05/2006 10:18:32||Fetching config info from http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/get_project_config.php
03/05/2006 10:18:53|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Master file download succeeded
03/05/2006 10:18:53|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 10:18:53|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Reason: Requested by user
03/05/2006 10:18:53|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Requesting 432000 seconds of new work
03/05/2006 10:18:55|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
03/05/2006 10:18:55|SETI@home|Message from server: Not sending work - last request too recent: 326 sec
03/05/2006 10:18:55|SETI@home|New host venue: home
03/05/2006 10:18:55|SETI@home|Successfully attached to SETI@home
03/05/2006 10:29:01|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 10:29:01|SETI@home|Reason: To fetch work
03/05/2006 10:29:01|SETI@home|Requesting 432000 seconds of new work
03/05/2006 10:34:12||Attempting to communicate with [setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu] timed out
03/05/2006 10:34:16|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi failed with a return value of -182
03/05/2006 10:34:16|SETI@home|No schedulers responded
03/05/2006 10:35:17|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 10:35:17|SETI@home|Reason: To fetch work
03/05/2006 10:35:17|SETI@home|Requesting 432000 seconds of new work
03/05/2006 10:35:22|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
03/05/2006 10:35:22|SETI@home|Message from server: Not sending work - last request too recent: 375 sec
03/05/2006 10:35:22|SETI@home|No work from project
03/05/2006 10:45:32|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 10:45:32|SETI@home|Reason: To fetch work
03/05/2006 10:45:32|SETI@home|Requesting 432000 seconds of new work
03/05/2006 10:50:41||Attempting to communicate with [setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu] timed out
03/05/2006 10:50:42|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi failed with a return value of -182
03/05/2006 10:50:42|SETI@home|No schedulers responded
03/05/2006 10:51:42|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 10:51:42|SETI@home|Reason: To fetch work
03/05/2006 10:51:42|SETI@home|Requesting 432000 seconds of new work
03/05/2006 10:51:47|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
03/05/2006 10:51:47|SETI@home|Message from server: Not sending work - last request too recent: 370 sec
03/05/2006 10:51:47|SETI@home|No work from project
03/05/2006 11:01:58|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 11:01:58|SETI@home|Reason: To fetch work
03/05/2006 11:01:58|SETI@home|Requesting 432000 seconds of new work
03/05/2006 11:07:07||Attempting to communicate with [setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu] timed out
03/05/2006 11:07:08|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi failed with a return value of -182
03/05/2006 11:07:08|SETI@home|No schedulers responded
03/05/2006 11:08:19|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 11:08:19|SETI@home|Reason: To fetch work
03/05/2006 11:08:19|SETI@home|Requesting 432000 seconds of new work
03/05/2006 11:08:24|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
03/05/2006 11:08:24|SETI@home|Message from server: Not sending work - last request too recent: 380 sec
03/05/2006 11:08:24|SETI@home|No work from project
03/05/2006 11:18:35|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 11:18:35|SETI@home|Reason: To fetch work
03/05/2006 11:18:35|SETI@home|Requesting 432000 seconds of new work
03/05/2006 11:23:46||Attempting to communicate with [setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu] timed out
03/05/2006 11:23:50|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi failed with a return value of -182
03/05/2006 11:23:50|SETI@home|No schedulers responded
03/05/2006 11:38:07|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 11:38:07|SETI@home|Reason: To fetch work
03/05/2006 11:38:07|SETI@home|Requesting 432000 seconds of new work
03/05/2006 11:38:12|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
03/05/2006 11:38:12|SETI@home|Message from server: No work sent
03/05/2006 11:38:12|SETI@home|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 100 results)
03/05/2006 11:38:12|SETI@home|No work from project
03/05/2006 11:41:05||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
03/05/2006 11:41:07|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 11:41:07|SETI@home|Reason: Requested by user
03/05/2006 11:41:07|SETI@home|Requesting 432000 seconds of new work
03/05/2006 11:41:13|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
03/05/2006 11:41:13|SETI@home|General preferences have been updated
03/05/2006 11:41:13|SETI@home|Message from server: Not sending work - last request too recent: 180 sec
03/05/2006 11:41:13||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2006-05-03 11:40:46)
03/05/2006 11:41:13||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
03/05/2006 11:51:22|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/05/2006 11:51:22|SETI@home|Reason: To fetch work
03/05/2006 11:51:22|SETI@home|Requesting 432000 seconds of new work
03/05/2006 11:51:27|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
03/05/2006 11:51:27|SETI@home|General preferences have been updated
03/05/2006 11:51:27|SETI@home|Message from server: No work sent
03/05/2006 11:51:27|SETI@home|Message from server: (reached daily quota of 100 results)
03/05/2006 11:51:27||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2006-05-03 11:42:40)
03/05/2006 11:51:27||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
03/05/2006 11:51:27|SETI@home|No work from project

Apologies for the length of this post - I would appreciate any help to get me up and going again.

Meanwhile I still have some WU for Beta to crunch . . .

Thanks in advance,
Bill_Mole
56) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Venus Express... (Message 279518)
Posted 11 Apr 2006 by Profile bill_mole
Post:
[quote]Its nearly there:

Greetings Sir Ulli and Appetiser,

Here is another link which you might find interesting - with some more onward links on the page too!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4895792.stm

Regards,
Bill Mole
57) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Solar Eclipse March 29th 2006 (Message 271212)
Posted 29 Mar 2006 by Profile bill_mole
Post:
News Bulletin

This doesn't seem to have had much coverage in the UK media - probably due to the weather . . .

"At around 10.45am on 29th March the moon will start to move in front of the sun. By 11.30am most places in the UK will be seeing the eclipse's maximum coverage (approximately 25% of the sun will be obscured by the moon). This is a partial eclipse. The closest place to see totality is in Turkey where the full eclipse will last up to 4 minutes. The next solar eclipse visible from the UK will be on the morning of 1st August 2008. This will also be a partial eclipse."

More on this page . . . http://www.exploratorium.edu/eclipse/2006/index.html including live webcast from the total eclipse zone

Regards,
Bill_Mole


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