Posts by George

1) Message boards : Number crunching : Wondering about how much RAM a given project takes? Read on... (Message 2047218)
Posted 27 Apr 2020 by Profile George Project Donor
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I can tell you that right now that my system is now usable while running 8 Einstein Gravitational Wave Search tasks on the CPU (4 cores with HT) which I've seen use as much as 2GB for a single task. Before the upgrade my my GUI would freeze up if too many simultaneous Einstein Gravitational Wave Search tasks ran and used up all my available RAM. At this point I'd have to connect to it from another computer to suspend Einstein to restore responsiveness. With some projects such as Rosetta, some tasks are paused if there is not enough available RAM. I could have set resource limits in BOINC but I'd rather be able to use the full computing power of my CPU.

I checked the system monitor a few minutes ago and 87% of my 16GB is being used.

Hi Cygnus X-1,
It seems that your PC is doing extremely well with doubling the RAM. I suspect that you are doing about 75% more work with BOINC, while not having to access your PC with another computer.

Is your computer now allowing you to access the basic computing strategies without having to pause your BOINC projects? There are a few settings you can change (I assume) in your BOINC Manager, or go to the web settings to do the same, so that you don't need to relax or put a hold on projects.

Let me know if your computer is fine for you, or if you need assistance.

Regards,
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Wondering about how much RAM a given project takes? Read on... (Message 2047125)
Posted 26 Apr 2020 by Profile George Project Donor
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mine for example ... 3984635 and screen ^^

Good job, Kissagogo27. If your thinking of upgrading your computer with more RAM, how much more?

I know your computer is an older one, and that's okay. If you don't really know how much RAM your computer can take, you can use this guide to find out since I don't know what motherboard your computer has. Take it with a grain of salt though, because the website says: "Note: please treat this list as a guide; while we strive to maintain accuracy for all our components we cannot guarantee that our data is 100% accurate." I will say that with the age of your computer, it may be difficult to find compatible RAM for the specific MB that you have.
https://www.pc-specs.com/cpu/AMD/Athlon_64_X2/Athlon_64_X2_Dual_Core_4400+/77/Compatible_Motherboards
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Wondering about how much RAM a given project takes? Read on... (Message 2047050)
Posted 26 Apr 2020 by Profile George Project Donor
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I've never done an upgrade specifically for BOINC before and I've always thought that if I did it would be a CPU or GPU upgrade.

A few days ago I did my first ever BOINC motivated upgrade: more RAM.

Hi Cygnus X-1,

Let me know how your "BOINC motivated upgrade" works with more RAM. I'd be interested (and a few others too, I imagine) to hear what CPU, GPU, Motherboard, HDD/SDD and RAM you have now, and what RAM you are upgrading to. Let it do some work for a day or a week and let me know in here what your results were -vs- results are.

If anyone else out there is thinking along the same lines, let me know (even privately by email, just begin the subject line with BOINC) and I'll tabulate the results and put them in here. Maybe it will prove interesting. Who knows?
4) Message boards : Number crunching : What would you do? I haven't yet purchased a 3950X processor due to our current pandemic, what should I buy as an alternative to get my 2nd rig going, or upgade my 1st rig? (Message 2046511)
Posted 23 Apr 2020 by Profile George Project Donor
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I think a page like https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/List_of_projects_by_system_requirements would be useful if it was updated !

This page was last edited on 8 December 2010, at 05:53.

I thought I'd add this just for readers sake.
5) Questions and Answers : Getting started : Wondering about how much RAM a given project takes? Read on... (Message 2046258)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile George Project Donor
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If you have been wondering about how much memory a given project will use, then I have a solution for most of you. It isn't a perfect solution because everyone will be running a different computer configuration (i.e. CPU/GPU), and many will be doing things differently on their computer in addition to running a SETI project (i.e. playing games, doing web searches, running office programs, etc.). WUProp@home-Results has a website with most of your answers. If you are planning on building a new computer and are curious about how much RAM to obtain, then use this to help you decide based upon which project you are going to be running.

https://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results/delai.py

The above link will open up a webpage titled "WUProp@home - Results".
On the left you will find a menu that will open up when you hover over it with your mouse.
Under the RAM section, enter what system you are running and press the "OK" button.

The end result is a table listing the BOINC projects, a list of the application (tasks) per project, and the memory requirements in MB for each application for whether you run a 32 bit or 64 bit CPU. This is a per core answer, not for the entire project, and the numbers given are averages. To the right is a link (graphical icon) to a graph which shows the varied range based upon what CPU and what platform you are running. If you have a late model, high end CPU, look toward the upper region of the graph. An older/slower CPU, look toward the lower region.

If you explore more and go to the project section you will find more info for each of the BOINC projects. Just remember to press the "OK" button after entering each item in the window boxes.

I hope this helps.

Regards,
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Wondering about how much RAM a given project takes? Read on... (Message 2046252)
Posted 22 Apr 2020 by Profile George Project Donor
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If you have been wondering about how much memory a given project will use, then I have a solution for most of you. It isn't a perfect solution because everyone will be running a different computer configuration (i.e. CPU/GPU), and many will be doing things differently on their computer (i.e. playing games, doing web searches, running office programs, etc.). WUProp@home-Results has a website with most of your answers. If you are planning on building a new computer and are curious about how much RAM to obtain, then use this to help you decide based upon which project you are going to be running.

https://wuprop.boinc-af.org/results/delai.py

The above link will open up a webpage titled "WUProp@home - Results".
On the left you will find a menu that will open up when you hover over it with your mouse.
Under the RAM section, enter what system you are running and press the "OK" button.

The end result is a table listing the BOINC projects, a list of the application (tasks) per project, and the memory requirements in MB for each application for whether you run a 32 bit or 64 bit CPU. This is a per core answer, not for the entire project, and the numbers given are averages. To the right is a link (graphical icon) to a graph which shows the varied range based upon what CPU and what platform you are running. If you have a late model, high end CPU, look toward the upper region of the graph. An older/slower CPU, look toward the lower region.

If you explore more and go to the project section you will find more info for each of the BOINC projects. Just remember to press the "OK" button after entering each item in the window boxes.

I hope this helps.

Regards,
7) Message boards : Number crunching : What would you do? I haven't yet purchased a 3950X processor due to our current pandemic, what should I buy as an alternative to get my 2nd rig going, or upgade my 1st rig? (Message 2046234)
Posted 21 Apr 2020 by Profile George Project Donor
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Thank you Grant for your help in this somewhat loosely titled forum post that got off topic. I was fixed on finding a source for the memory requirements for each project and lost track of what the title was supposed mean. But that's life, right?

I have since found what supposedly is a reliable way of determining the memory requirements and disk space usage of each task chosen for each project. I've posted it in a response to Keith's post.

I will post in a new forum thread with appropriate title for everyone to read with a little better explanation.

Thanks again, Grant.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : What would you do? I haven't yet purchased a 3950X processor due to our current pandemic, what should I buy as an alternative to get my 2nd rig going, or upgade my 1st rig? (Message 2046233)
Posted 21 Apr 2020 by Profile George Project Donor
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I thank you Keith once again for your valuable insight, and for the link to "wuprop.boinc-af.org". I have finally found what I am looking for.

Under the Einstein project you will find what I've been looking for. Under the Project tab (on the left hand side), you can find the RAM requirements and Disk Space requirements based upon the application task being run, the platform (Windows, Linux, etc.) and CPU being used, and if necessary the GPU also. In my case, depending on the task being run, memory use can run from a low MB to well over a GB. Since this is a per-task memory & disk space requirement, I presume it is also a per-core requirement as well since we use multiple cores for projects with differing names for each task.

Thank you once again Keith. You're my hero!!
9) Message boards : Number crunching : What would you do? I haven't yet purchased a 3950X processor due to our current pandemic, what should I buy as an alternative to get my 2nd rig going, or upgade my 1st rig? (Message 2046187)
Posted 21 Apr 2020 by Profile George Project Donor
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Gentlemen, I thank you for your responses, and yes... it does give me a lot to think about. But you may be missing the point a bit. I had said:
4th - I am puzzled at how you know what the memory requirements are for individual projects, such as what you spoke of. While I don't think I'll be running Rosetta any time soon, how would I know what the memory requirements are for Einstein and/or Milkyway? Is there something that I can look up? ...or is there a formula I can use?

I would like to know how you people had figured this out. I spent all last night reading every fine print, access with links, and trying to figure out (with no success) how you have come up with the numbers such as 1.2GB of ram on a typical CPU task on Einstein, or even 2.1GB of ram on some 2.07 GW CPU tasks on Einstein.
Grant had told me:
Projects (ideally) have a FAQ or link or blurb on their join up page that spells out their system requirements (OS, CPU, RAM, GPU storage etc). Unfortunately in many cases it's matter of looking in their forums for people posting about issues they are having and seeing what the responses are. Or dealing with issues as they crop up after you have joined (or both).
Less than ideal.

I have read many of the forums posts, but quite frankly if I have no idea what exactly I'm looking for, it can take weeks, if not months, to find something that may be useful. So, I repeat myself:
Is there something that I can look up? ...or is there a formula I can use?

I realize that I am just a layman when it comes to computer science, but I'm not dumb. I don't have the ability to analyze computer lingo for what seems to me "reading between the lines". I'm sorry if I seem a bit frustrated, but I'm really trying to learn something that I think is important. So please, help me understand. If there is not a way to decipher the ram requirements, I will understand.

Thank you for understanding.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : What would you do? I haven't yet purchased a 3950X processor due to our current pandemic, what should I buy as an alternative to get my 2nd rig going, or upgade my 1st rig? (Message 2045917)
Posted 20 Apr 2020 by Profile George Project Donor
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Thanks Grant for your response. I've taken the chance to write an email to the Milkyway folks and ask them if there is a way to determine the memory requirements based upon CPU choices and operating systems (Windows -vs- Linux). I hope I can get a reply reasonably soon.

You've given me a great deal to think about, and for that I am eternally grateful.

Regards,
11) Message boards : Number crunching : What would you do? I haven't yet purchased a 3950X processor due to our current pandemic, what should I buy as an alternative to get my 2nd rig going, or upgade my 1st rig? (Message 2045902)
Posted 19 Apr 2020 by Profile George Project Donor
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My current rig has an i7-990X processor (yes, 1st gen Intel)
Actually 1st generation Intel CPU would be the 4004, but the first of the current generation would be the 8086 (where we get the x86 from in present CPU/software designations).

2. AMD Ryzen 9 3950X CPU - $738 (Amazon & Newegg) 16-core/32-threads
Better yet is the 3900X, at least from a price point of view.
Here in Australia
Ryzen 9 3900X $35 per thread
Ryzen 9 3950X $45 per thread
If you have workloads that can make use of the extra cores & threads, then it is worth the extra price. If not, then it's not. And if you don't need the number of cores & threads the 3900X provides, the 3800X or even the 3600X would be the way to go.

Noctua NH-U12A CPU Cooling Fan (w/2 fans)
I don't know how things are priced over there, but here for the price of one those Noctua's, you can get a damn good AIO (All In One) water cooler unit.

32GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3200MHz (w/CL14) memory
Depending on what projects you plan to run, with that many cores that won't be nearly enough RAM. eg Rosetta has Tasks that require 1.3GB of RAM, they will soon be releasing Tasks that may require up to 4GB of RAM.
If you were to run Rosetta on that system, and wanted to usal all cores & threads, for the 3900X you'd need 64GB of RAM (and that's a bare minimum for that CPU- even then 128GB might be necessary under certain circumstances) and for the 3900X 128GB of RAM (the amount required even at the most likely worst case would be less than that, but you need to use matching capacity/timing /brand modules to avoid issues, and for best memory performance).
So you'd need to decide how many cores & threads you will gt, then lok at projects you are interested in & see what their maximum RAM requirements are, and add RAM accordingly.


1st - Point well taken on the 1st gen Intel. I bow to your supremacy.

2nd - in the U.S. the price difference per thread is $5 U.S. dollars, still significant, but less so.

3rd - As for the Noctua cooling fan versus an AIO, I already have the Noctua so I think it will be okay. I'll have to wait and see.

4th - I am puzzled at how you know what the memory requirements are for individual projects, such as what you spoke of. While I don't think I'll be running Rosetta any time soon, how would I know what the memory requirements are for Einstein and/or Milkyway? Is there something that I can look up? ...or is there a formula I can use?

Thanks Grant for your insights.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : What would you do? I haven't yet purchased a 3950X processor due to our current pandemic, what should I buy as an alternative to get my 2nd rig going, or upgade my 1st rig? (Message 2045889)
Posted 19 Apr 2020 by Profile George Project Donor
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My current rig has an i7-990X processor (yes, 1st gen Intel) which I have running at 100MHz over it's base speed of 3.47GHz and using only 9 of it's 12 threads so I can continue on with other uses of a PC. I am semi-satisfied with it's performance after 10 years, but would also like to see what it can do performance wise with an upgrade. And yes, I'm considering the performance of the SETI and other projects like Milkyway and Einstein, as well as for general use.

I am undecided on whether to purchase a new CPU at a lessor rate for my 2nd rig which has nothing yet, or to purchase an upgrade for my original PC from an i7-990X to an ....?.... which will necessitate a change in motherboard and ram also. So... let's consider the options.

Original PC
1. AMD Ryzen 7 3700X - $295 (Amazon), ASUS Prime B450-Plus Motherboard AM4 - $100 (Amazon), CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) SDRAM Desktop Memory Model CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R - $88 (Newegg) = $483+ (total)
...and still wait for my 2nd rig to get operational... or...

2nd PC (ideal choice)
2. AMD Ryzen 9 3950X CPU - $738 (Amazon & Newegg) 16-core/32-threads
...and keep my original PC as is with no changes... or...

2nd PC (alternative choice)
3. AMD Ryzen 7 3700X CPU - $295 (Amazon) 8-core/16-threads
...and keep my original PC as is with no changes... and save the $443 dollars until this pandemic thing is over with... or...

GO FOR BROKE!!
Upgrade my original PC (as above) and also get the alternative (3700X) CPU for my 2nd PC.

My original PC specs:
i7-990X CPU @ 3.57GHz (100MHz O.C.)
Noctua NH-D15 CPU Cooling Fan (w/2 fans)
ASUS Sabertooth X58 Motherboard
1 - EVGA RTX 2060 GPU (non-Super)
16GB Kingston Memory (O.C. to 1600MHz)
2TB Samsung SSD
1TB Hitachi HDD
120GB Crucial SSD
3 - Noctua case cooling fans
EVGA SuperNOVA 80+ Gold 650W PSU
Antec Case (10 years+ old)

My 2nd PC specs:
...CPU yet to be determined...
Noctua NH-U12A CPU Cooling Fan (w/2 fans)
ASUS PrimeX470-Pro Motherboard
2 - EVGA RTX 2070 Super GPUs
32GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3200MHz (w/CL14) memory
1TB Samsung 970 Plus NVME SSD
2TB Samsung SSD
2TB WD Black HDD
EVGA SuperNOVA 80+ Gold 1000W PSU
CoolerMaster H500M Case (w/2 additional 200mm case fans)

What would you do? Do you have another option that I should consider?

Also, in my 3rd choice of "GO FOR BROKE!!", I would be interested to know if my choice of the same CPU, yet different motherboards and memories, would perform at nearly identical levels?
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Suggestions/Comments for a SETI@home v3 (Message 2036673)
Posted 8 Mar 2020 by Profile George Project Donor
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(personal message)

Hi Keith,
I posted a message to you privately. I hope you got it. If not, let me know here.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I determine if my motherboard is acting up? (Message 2019539)
Posted 18 Nov 2019 by Profile George Project Donor
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Yes, it would be nice to have a pre-order availability list for each vendor. They have done that in the past, but didn't for the 3900X. You can put a AlertMe notification on a product at Amazon for example. But it has to be listed first. Since the product embargo won't lift until the official November 25th release date, no way to get an early warning on availability. There is also the NowinStock.net website that can automatically look for product availability across multiple vendors. Updates can be fast or slow though. By the time I had notification from that site for a vendor, the product was already out of stock again. Still another tool to use.
https://www.nowinstock.net/

Thanks Keith, I'll ad that to my list of vendors. But as I've already said I can only hope...
15) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I determine if my motherboard is acting up? (Message 2019533)
Posted 18 Nov 2019 by Profile George Project Donor
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George, do you have an inside line or scoop on scoring your Ryzen 9 3950X? Or are you just throwing out your fishing line into the distribution channel and hoping for a bite? I suspect the availability will be just as bad as it is for the 3900X.

Keith, I can only hope I get a Ryzen 9 3950X when it becomes available. I wish I had an inside line on getting one, but I'm online with AMD, Newegg, and Amazon with accounts on the latter two. I will be up at midnight waiting for the first signs of the 3950X being released. I haven't noticed any pre-order availability yet.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIX (Message 2019524)
Posted 18 Nov 2019 by Profile George Project Donor
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I have just made the top 5% in average credit for SETI, and I'm ecstatic!! I have only been on SETI@Home for 25 months as of today, and my computer is roughly 10+ years old. So for me this is a milestone. I can't wait until I get my new rig up and running.
17) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I determine if my motherboard is acting up? (Message 2019522)
Posted 18 Nov 2019 by Profile George Project Donor
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From my personal experience, if you are like I was and have 0 (zero) knowledge on Linux, and wish the less possible headache with Boinc installation and running, go for the Ubuntu 18.04 builds + TBar AIO. Well known and easy to get support, just in case, on this forums.

Thank you Juan, I certainly appreciate the advice and your opinion matters as much as Ian&Steve's as well as Keith and Wiggo. I will be having Ubuntu 18.04 installed on my new build and definitely TBar's AIO. It should prove to be a definite positive choice. Thanks again.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I determine if my motherboard is acting up? (Message 2019421)
Posted 17 Nov 2019 by Profile George Project Donor
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I’ve yet to see a single person have a better experience moving to Linux Mint than just using Ubuntu.

99% of the time it’s the opposite. If you’re moving to Linux, you need to learn the “new” way things work no matter what OS you choose. Many people have this idea that Mint is “Linux Windows” but it’s not, and you’re likely to face strange issues and frustrations. You’ll be much better off going with Ubuntu 18.04, so when you have issues it’s much easier for you to get help.

Thank you Ian&Steve, your point is well taken. I was just hoping my learning curve to Linux would be easier with Mint. I hadn't thought about the issue of getting help when I need it, and we all know I will need help more often than not. As I've said many times before, I have so much to learn.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I determine if my motherboard is acting up? (Message 2019417)
Posted 17 Nov 2019 by Profile George Project Donor
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Either change to Windows7, backlevel to driver version 431 or change to the 8.16 SAH application.

Well, it's been nearly 4 days since I've installed the 431.86 driver and my productivity is dwindling down, though my "validation pending" has increased.

I'm about a week away from ordering my AMD 3950x CPU at which time I will be using Linux Mint. I certainly hope that all will be better then.

Any comments?
20) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I determine if my motherboard is acting up? (Message 2018828)
Posted 13 Nov 2019 by Profile George Project Donor
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Well I downloaded and installed driver Version 431.86 and it seems to be doing better. I'll wait and see.

Thanks for your inputs...


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