Posts by Jeyl

1) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1911542)
Posted 7 Jan 2018 by Profile Jeyl
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And now it's gone back to stock on the 1950X, and still haven't reserved cores or made use of the command lines on the 1900X
I give up.

No! Don't give up now!

Ok. Let's try this teamviewer idea. If anyone is interested in figuring out this machine, let me know.

YOU WILL BE COMPENSATED!

Just let me know!

*UPDATE*
Looks like Boinc doesn't want to work on one of the machines at all. Network is good, application seems to be normal, but it says there are no tasks to be completed even though the other machine is running tasks as normal.
2) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1909640)
Posted 30 Dec 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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Again what speed is the memory?

I've got 4x8GB 3600MHz Corsair chips installed on both machines.

Better still you should run the SoG application available in the Lunatics installer.

You can help yourself out greatly by using the latest Lunatics 0.45 Beta 6 application installer available at the Lunatics, Crunchers Anonymous or Mike's World sites. The file is the same at all locations.


I've tried downloading and installing lunatics, but I have no idea what parts to install.

Astropulse v7?
MultiBeam v8 with half a dozen SSE options?
Astropulse v7 (ATI)?
MultiBeam v8 (ATI)?

I can't make heads or tails on these options.
3) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1909580)
Posted 30 Dec 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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If I can't get the answers here or help on this thread, where else should I go? We've got machines built for Boinc! Why is it so hard to run the darn thing?

If you choose not to follow our suggestions and instructions, and choose not to answer our questions, then how can we help you???

Nononono. That's not it at all. This whole thing just a sad case on my part because the one person who really wants to do this, my Dad, won't lift a finger to learn or do anything about this himself. If he sees anything that doesn't look right, I've got to figure it out, come to you guys and hope I can solve it. He was seriously considering sending these machines out from North Carolina to California and pay someone to get them working.

And so far a lot of these answers have helped me out a lot. Just now we re-arranged the memory and both machines are running at 80%-90% GPU usage! All that from simply arranging the memory properly! And that's because you guys told me to read the manual. It worked! I feel like we're getting close to finally getting these machines optimized.

Everyone here has been a tremendous help and I apologize again for coming off as desperate and ill-informed. I'm going to go through the previous posts and get more answers to questions that have been asked.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1908795)
Posted 24 Dec 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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Is your Dad the one that likes the Macs? If so, tell him to ditch Windows, buy a couple 2009 Mac Pro 4,1 machines, place two 1080Ti a piece in them, and run the CUDA Special App under Sierra. A 1080Ti running the Special App is good for Almost 100k. That means those two Macs with 2 1080Ti a piece would be in the Top 10 SETI machines very quickly. Probably in the Top 5 at near 200k each. That should make him happy.


Wait one second! Are these the 1080 video cards that I got in my two machines right now? I thought Macs needed video cards that were specifically built for the Mac in order to function. Is that what you're getting at?
5) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1908781)
Posted 24 Dec 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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We need to find out exactly how many memory sticks are installed and in which memory slots for each system.

Two 8gig chips in each machine.
6) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1908673)
Posted 23 Dec 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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Sigh.

I tried installing the Lunatic and now Boinc doesn't want to open. After re-installing it, it's back to it's old slow self.

I hope everyone knows that I am truly thankful for all the time you've spent in replying to my questions on how to run this software. It's been great! I just think that I'm in way over my head on this one.

To reiterate, the only purpose these machines serve is running Boinc. That's it. We've got no other apps running with the exception of the ones you recommended like the SIV64X. My Dad truly believes that one machine (16-core) is not pulling it's weight. It's easy to see since the 8-core machine finishes a task in 5 to 8 hours while the 16-core machine is up to 12-15 hours. Problem is neither of us understands a majority of what's being posted on this thread. Ghosts? Crippling the database? How are we crippling the data base?

If I can't get the answers here or help on this thread, where else should I go? We've got machines built for Boinc! Why is it so hard to run the darn thing?
7) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1908500)
Posted 22 Dec 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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It would help if you provided the host ID of your Dad's TR machine so we could look at some of its completed tasks.


Is that not this page?

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=10199206

16 Core: 8389828
8 Core: 8371071

In the BOINC Manager, select Options, Read config files for the settings to take effect.


Definitely upped the GPU usage a bit. Went from .4% to 15%-20% usage, but still nowhere near my other machine which is pulling a 75%-80%. And that machine does not have this text file.

I also saw someone mention something about r3557 and r3584 SoG apps? I can't seem to find them online. What do those do?
8) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1907075)
Posted 14 Dec 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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At this stage it looks like I've been doing everything wrong. Let's start over with a clean slate.

I know the machine sees the graphics cards, the processors and the memory. What I don't know is how to get Boinc to run at it's full potential with these specs. I've been looking at the SIV64x app and the graphics cards are only running at 4%-6% while the CPUs are running at 100%. It's almost like Boinc just doesn't see the graphics cards.

So that's what I'm asking. If start everything over from scratch with a fresh Windows 10, how does Boinc get the most out of the hardware?
9) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1906840)
Posted 13 Dec 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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Whoa. So many software recommendations. Checking it out now. In the meantime, my Dad discovered the 'Properties of task' option on the Boinc Application and it has some interesting details to it. I'll post what I found in there while I look up these apps and get them running.

16 core
Progress rate: 3.600% per hour

8 core
Progress rate: 12.240% per hour

That's just weird.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1906795)
Posted 13 Dec 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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First, a thank you to everyone tho contributed to this thread. Everyone here helped us out immensely! I hope posting in this thread after seeing it 3 pages back doesn't constitute as resurrecting a thread, but I figured I'd post an update regarding the machines.

Here are the two machines we've made so far.

AuthenticAMD
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X 16-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 1 Stepping 1]
(32 processors)
[3] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (4095MB) driver: 388.31 OpenCL: 1.2

AuthenticAMD
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1900X 8-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 1 Stepping 1]
(16 processors)
[3] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (4095MB) driver: 388.31 OpenCL: 1.2


All of these systems are running Windows 10 64bit. Problem? We don't think the GPUs are pulling their weight. For example, I had the 16 core thread ripper running and one task said it was going to take 11 hours to complete. 11 HOURS. Something about that didn't seem right. So I go to check the task manager to see what Boinc was running at, and the GPU usage was almost always in the single digits. Only once out of several readings did it ever to above 50%, but it would fall right back into 5% or 7% and stay there.

I've followed the steps in ensuring the software always uses the GPU no matter what, but I'm at a loss as to how to get Boinc to run off the GPUs. Suggestions?
11) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1898261)
Posted 30 Oct 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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First, thank you TBar for that recommendation. When we try Linux again, I will do just that.

And second...

To run the GPUs all the time, you to advance view of the BOINC and select activity and on the pull down select RUN always and Use GPU always that way it will never suspend the GPUs. This may affect your responsiveness but should keep the GPUs running


View... The 'View' pulldown window is how you access those commands. Not in settings, but view.

AARRRRGGHGHHG!!!!!!

That is the worst design ever. I showed my Dad those very steps and he didn't even know they existed! We're honestly disappointed by this revelation because we never would have figured out that we needed to go through 'view' to find these options. Thank you Zalster for telling us this.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1898174)
Posted 30 Oct 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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This it?

10/29/2017 4:32:26 PM | | cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
10/29/2017 4:32:26 PM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.8.3 for windows_x86_64
10/29/2017 4:32:26 PM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
10/29/2017 4:32:26 PM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.47.1 OpenSSL/1.0.2g zlib/1.2.8
10/29/2017 4:32:26 PM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
10/29/2017 4:32:26 PM | | Running under account Ted
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (driver version 385.54, CUDA version 9.0, compute capability 6.1, 4096MB, 3550MB available, 11974 GFLOPS peak)
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (driver version 385.54, CUDA version 9.0, compute capability 6.1, 4096MB, 3550MB available, 11974 GFLOPS peak)
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (driver version 385.54, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 11264MB, 3550MB available, 11974 GFLOPS peak)
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (driver version 385.54, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 11264MB, 3550MB available, 11974 GFLOPS peak)
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | Host name: DESKTOP-VCHS48I
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | Processor: 16 AuthenticAMD AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1900X 8-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 1 Stepping 1]
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movebe popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx avx2 svm sse4a osvw skinit wdt tce topx page1gb rdtscp fsgsbase bmi1 smep
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 10: Core x64 Edition, (10.00.15063.00)
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | Memory: 31.88 GB physical, 36.88 GB virtual
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | Disk: 231.54 GB total, 180.49 GB free
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | Local time is UTC -7 hours
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 8371071; resource share 100
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | No general preferences found - using defaults
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | Reading preferences override file
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | Preferences:
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | max memory usage when active: 16320.11 MB
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | max memory usage when idle: 29376.19 MB
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | max disk usage: 180.52 GB
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | don't use GPU while active
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25%
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | | Suspending GPU computation - computer is in use
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
10/29/2017 4:32:28 PM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU and NVIDIA GPU
13) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1898160)
Posted 29 Oct 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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Thanks for the recommendations. Will advise once we reach that point. But for now,

UPDATE!

So we tried Linux via Ubuntu and all I can says is... I gave up. It took four hours just to get Boinc running on the OS and the darn thing wasn't using any of the GPU cards. So we threw up out hands in defeat and decided to get Windows 10 instead. Once we get everything running, we'll just run Linux over WIndows 10 and figure it out from there.

So here's where we're at right now with this newly built computer.

AuthenticAMD
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1900X 8-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 1 Stepping 1]
(16 processors)

[2] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti (4095MB) driver: 385.54 OpenCL: 1.2


So the team's page lists the two Graphics Cards successfully, but I think I've stumbled into a block. I don't think BOINC is using the graphics cards at all. Here are the details I've gathered from it's progress page.

Measured floating point speed 4.78 billion ops/sec
Measured integer speed 19.1 billion ops/sec
Average upload rate 32.46 KB/sec
Average download rate 458.6 KB/sec


Do these specs looks appropriate for the system we got here?

TL:DR

How do we tell if it's using the cards? And the BOINC program also suspends itself when I tell it not to suspend in the options.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1897865)
Posted 28 Oct 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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I'll have to take a look and see if those extenders work on the 1080ti card.

Now if I can get a third card connected to the motherboard, the only other concern I would have is how to mount it. Is that something I should also look into or can this card be connected and remain 'loose' inside the case? That has me worried.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1897126)
Posted 23 Oct 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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Got everything installed except the memory and the cooler and those should be coming in by the end of the week. However, there is still the nagging issue regarding the motherboard. I had thought I had gotten one that could house three cards, but my current set-up doesn't make that possible. The case is perfect, it's just that the board itself can only fit two of these 1080Ti cards. The last PCI slot is unusable since the card would be pressing against many of the cable connections on the lower end of the card.

While I'm looking, does anyone know of a decent motherboard that can house a 16 core threadripper AND hold three of these graphics cards? I think my big problem is that I don't know enough about motherboard terminology to do a proper search.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1895607)
Posted 16 Oct 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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UPDATED!

Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 750D Performance Full Tower Case
Motherboard: ASUS PRIME X399-A AMD Threadripper TR4 DDR4 M.2 U.2 X399 EATX HEDT Motherboard with USB 3.1 Gen2
Cooling: Corsair 115i cooler
Power: EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G2, 80+ GOLD 850W
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition GAMING, 11GB GDDR5X

Thank you everyone for your suggestions! I'm going to see if we can't get this stuff ordered tomorrow!
17) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1895559)
Posted 15 Oct 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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How's this look?

Case: Corsair Obsidian Series 750D Performance Full Tower Case
Motherboard: ASUS PRIME X399-A AMD Threadripper TR4 DDR4 M.2 U.2 X399 EATX HEDT Motherboard with USB 3.1 Gen2
Cooling: Freezer 33 TR
Power: Corsair Power Supplies RMX 750W
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition GAMING, 11GB GDDR5X

Ok. What's the best throughput on the memory? Dad thinks it doesn't need to be any bigger than 4GB.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1894366)
Posted 9 Oct 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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Wow. I have been through a ton of online forums in my life , but I have never seen so many users reply so quickly! Thanks for everyone who chimed in.

2 x 1080 Ti @ 225W each under Linux would be in that range and a great performer, but I would go with an 850W PSU for the headroom.


There are a couple of things that currently throw me off. When I was building my gaming rig, I used a website called pcpartpicker.com. It was recommended and had a system where it would show if what you wnated was compatible or not. Well, after receiving all the parts for the machine, I ended up sending a quarter of the stuff back because the parts I picked were NOT compatible. It took a whole month to get the machine up and running!

First thing that throws me off are the graphics cards. You say 1080Ti, but when I go online to look up that card, I find a whole variety of 1080Tis that are avilable. Both with different looks and specs. For example, this is what Newegg has listed.

- ROG-POSEIDON-GTX1080TI-P11G-GAMING
- ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-11G-GAMING
- ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING
- TURBO-GTX1080TI-11G

Thankfully learning what kind of power supply was the easiest to figure out. But other areas that throw a road block my way are the mothers boards and cases. What kind of mother board and cases do you guys run? Like if this rig was going to just run two 1080Tis (which ever ones those may be), I wouldn't need to get an extra large case to compensate for the extra space that the cards might take up, would I?
19) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Build for my Dad (Message 1894345)
Posted 9 Oct 2017 by Profile Jeyl
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Little set up. My Dad loves these kinds of things. He's got every machine in his house running these Seti programs (Group 'http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_display.php?teamid=152173'). Last year I built myself a gaming rig and only recently chose to indulge him by having Seti run on my machine. Now he wants to build a machine of his own and I have no idea what to look for.

These were his basic requirements.

- Linux OS
- 750watt budget.
- Is curious if a 16-core Threadripper would be a good way to go.
- He also wanted to know about Single precision floating point operations (flops) per watt. I have no idea what that entails.
- Should he get one video card or multiple ones joined via SLI?

Basically, if money was no object and you wanted to build a boinc machine with a 750w budget and a 16-core threadripper, what's the best way to go about it? And the reason he wants it at 750w is incase he wants to build another one and plug it into the same outlet (which combined generates 1,500w).





 
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