Posts by Verdonim

1) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1862108)
Posted 17 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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I am sorry to ear that but at the same time tou will have a new 280mm cooler. Mine is working fine so far, the pump is always in quiet mode it might help but if it fails I will too get the h110i.

The FX system power comsumption is not as bad as I first thought. The 8 white led fans + the pump + the rog strix video card (those seems to consume more current than the aero ones of the small box) account for 50% of the power difference I had notice between the two system. The difference between the FX and the Ryzen system is about 60 watts at full load. My appologies to my 8350...
I have tried to bring the 1700 above 3.7 GHz but it became more and more difficult to make it stable so I stopped at 3.7 GHz.
It still scores 16000 on cinebench !!!

Next step here will be Lunatics, app.info and app.config. I am not sure what to select in Lunatics... SSE2-3-4 AVX etc and for the gpu it only propose CUDA app. Not sure what to select and what to do after. will I have to create another app.config ? I wish there was a step by step simple instruction guide somewhere on how to optimize your machine for SETI...

Have to go. Cheers
2) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1861752)
Posted 16 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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Finaly got the Corsair AM4 bracket last week and I switched the Ryzen in to the big box yesterday and... WOW.
The 1700 stock cooler is good but the water cooling allow for good overclocking as every one would expect.

The system is now stable at 3.7 GHz and RAM at 2933 MHz. CPU temp never go above 46c.
under full prime load but a little higher at 48 when the GPUs are running and heating up the box a little.
I am crunching Milkyway right now because WU are always the same making it all easy to compare.
with the latest BIOS, The RAM speed boost, and the long awaited bracket allowing for overclocking,
time to complete 16 Milkyway@home cpu tasks went from 01h06m to 00h52m.

I will soon come back to SETI and take some times learning about the app info and config, Lunatics, SSE and AVX, etc.
Keith was very kind to give me a copy of his app config and it is cool, but I need to learn all this.
I see there is a new Ryzen team and many other Happy "From FX to Ryzen upgraders" :)

It really is an Amazing CPU...

Have a nice week end all !
3) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860933)
Posted 11 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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I see that there is a new 0604 BIOS for the Prime X370 Pro board today. Incorporates the latest AGESA 1.0.0.4a microcode updates. Primary fixes are for the SMU and FMA3 bugs with some additional tools for improving memory compatibility. Probably will appear for most AM4 motherboards shortly. Still the major AGESA 1.0.0.5 update in May to come.


The last update for my Bios (ASRock X370 Killer) included the ''Update AGESA to 1.0.0.4a'' and it was release on 03/31/2017.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860536)
Posted 9 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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And that is where Ryzen shines. On my slowest system that got the Ryzen upgrade, it is now approaching the same RAC of my higher powered systems with generation newer graphic cards. It has made up almost a 10K deficit in RAC compared to my faster systems. Another way of evaluating the performance is visible in looking at the number of CPU tasks per day completed that is shown in BoincTasks. The FX CPU based systems with 1070's process about 50 CPU tasks a day. The Ryzen 1700X system with 970's is processing about 175 CPU tasks a day. That is a threefold increase in productivity just from the CPU. I am seeing a halving in CPU process time for the Ryzen system compared to the FX systems. That is both for Arecibo and BLC CPU tasks. This upgrade has definitely been a WIN for me.


My new Ryzen built and my FX dynosaurus has the same PSU, GPUs, SSD, etc. but the Ryzen system beats up the FX system so badly when it comes to power efficiency. Take it like that, the Ryzen 1700 will go twice the distance with half the gas the FX system will burn. I am currently running Milkyway and The new built report a CPU task every 5 minutes + the GPUs and it does so with 260-280 Watts and the CPU runs at 52 deg. at 100% load on stock cooler. The FX system don't run any CPU task only the GPUs and it does so with 400-425 Watts and requires water to keep it cool at 50% load. The Ryzen 1700 is a big WIN here also and is probably the best bang for your money when it comes to crunching business.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860530)
Posted 9 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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I have just read through the past couple of days (440 messages) on the ROG Crosshair thread. It looks like they have received 3 new Beta BIOS' with some preliminary AGESA code updates. Improved the memory issue considerably and gave some more options in the BIOS to configure stuff. Four sticks and 32 GB working at spec for a lot of people now. Estimates that 50% more memory configurations are approved. There is also a fix for the stuck 1.55v VID caused by the SMU F/W bug. So let us hope that similar improvements make it to the Prime X370 BIOS and your Asrock Killer X370. My last 0515 BIOS update was about a week after than the equivalent update for the Crosshair. Hope the trend continues.

For the X370 Killer Asrock has released 2 Bios update so far since Ryzen launched. The last one says ''Update AGESA code. (Enhance for Ryzen 5)''. What bout 7 ? Anyway everything works very well except that I now only have 8Gb of RAM... the only sticks they had in stock matching the Asrock compatibility list was a pair of 4Gb HyperX 2666 MHz. Its ok for now.
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Setting up a Linux machine to crunch CUDA80 for Windows users (Message 1860508)
Posted 9 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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thank you Stephen ! My Linux project is on standby for now but I will come back here for sure. Cheers
7) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860477)
Posted 9 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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I will run some benchmarks and compare results I had before at 2133MHz and now at 2666MHz.

Benchmarks have their uses, but what matters is crunching time.

For sure. It still scores a little better everywhere and Milky way CPU WU went from 66 to 63 minutes to completion (running 6gpu tasks and 13cpu tasks). I will have a deeper look at the tasks later but for now my first early on the spot feeling is that it seems to have increase the CPU ''power'' by maybe 2-5%. Ok now that the RAM is running its CPU cooler time ! The stock wraith cooler that comes with the 1700 is very good but looking at the T4 I am confident it will perform better.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860456)
Posted 9 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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It works !!!
Took a long break, reset cmos, reflash bios, insert one stick at a time (A2, boot, B2, boot) and it is now working 2666 MHz.
The new sticks are smaller too so I can now install and try my Hyper T4 cooler. Thanks to all of you guys !
I will run some benchmarks and compare results I had before at 2133MHz and now at 2666MHz.
Cheers :)
9) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860401)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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That is what I did and all is ok now. Thank you sir.
The way out of this situation (one stick at a time) makes me realize that my RAM upgrade might have worked if I had installed the new stick one at a time and not both at the same time like I did. The new RAM part number is listed on asrock web site. It should have worked. I am doing something wrong maybe... but I need a brake.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860385)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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Went to the store to get mew RAM. Installed it and it went into a booting loop non stop and could not access bios. I had to put the old stick back in and it reboot fine.
Went back to the store there was a difference in the part number not exactly as in the asrock list of compatible RAM. He gave me the right one came back home installed it and again the same thing. reboot non stop and impossible to access the bios. Bof no problem I will put the old sticks back in but only this time it does the same thing and reboot non stop. I am stock with a brand new Ryzen PC that does not work anymore because of RAM upgrade. Really dont know what to do next to fix this. Help !
11) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860308)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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I am glad to ear you finaly got the bracket and it gives me hope for mine being ship next week. but I have to say that I am surprise it worked right away...
12) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860306)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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I knew those sticks where not the best around and now I want to replace them with good quality RAM.

My motherboard support the following ;

- Dual Channel DDR4 Memory Technology
- 4 x DDR4 DIMM Slots
- AMD Ryzen series CPUs support DDR4 2933+(OC)/2667/2400/2133 ECC & non-ECC, un-buffered memory.

What should I look for if I want 16Gb of higher than 2133MHz RAM speed ?

Would a single rank double sided multi un-buffered DDR PC3100 triple channel and single powered 1.2 to 1.5V quadriple
serial CL-36-24-36 stick work at 3200MHz on my USB3 SATA DIMM port ?

I guess I will go to local store today to get some advises...
13) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860244)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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Both arguments are good. Its all about what you want from your system. Here power consumption is priority and since I already have 3 times the crunching power I realy need due to power consumption limitations, the challenge is getting the most out of any watts so I can crunch more often. It would be totaly stupid in these conditions to increase output by 10% if it increases power consumption by 20%. But if my motherbord manufacturer tells me buy this particular RAM it cost 50$ more but it will works at full speed right away and it wont affect your electricity bill, I would buy it. The problem is the $50 is not in the same pocket... Hardware is my pocket and bills are my wife ;-) She would go nuts knowing that my computers draw more power then the rest of the house on a daily basis. I need to adress that, But maybe she is right...
14) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860221)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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Well... It is still stuck at 2133 after Bios update and many try and error voltage settings and reboots, I give up for now.
The machine runs very well with all settings to default (only fans speed settings) it is 3 times faster than the 8350, it is stable, it runs cool and power consumption is very low. I am now running 19 Milkyway@home tasks (6GPU+13CPU) with only 310 Watts (Total system power in) and cpu temp stays at 48 on stock cooler. Since all works VERY WELL I will just wait for a while and see.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860154)
Posted 7 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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It finally boot after 4 attempts but it came back to 2133 :(
I will update the bios and see if it helps.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860151)
Posted 7 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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The problem seems to be I should have let it reboot again and again. I did select 2666 in the menu but after 3 reboot I thought there was a problem and brought it back to 2133. I will try it again now and see what happen.
17) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1860054)
Posted 7 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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Yes the stock cooler is good and I did went to 3.5 (I will wait for 3.8) but I got nervous at 68 deg. and stopped Prime95...
And yes I should work on memory speed issue. But I am not sure where to start. I have never change memory settings in the Bios before.
I guess I will have to take some times reading the basics of memory settings and play with them. A lot of crash and reboot ahead !!!
RAM here Corsair Vengeance LED 16GB (2 X 8) DDR4 2666MHz C16 1.2V Choose them for esthetic reasons... ASRock released a BETA BIOS update that ''Add DRAM Timing in OC Tweaker.'' Should I go ahead and do the update ? Otherwise the machine runs so well... Cheers !
18) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1859161)
Posted 2 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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Guess what !
Under the same conditions (100% SETI or PRIME95) my Ryzen 1700 temperature went down from 62 to 52 !!!!!!
Do you want to know my trick ? Don't forget to swith the CPU fan mode from ''SILENT'' to ''MAXIMUM'' !!!
It all went back to default after the BIOS update....

I might have a look at overclocking today just for fun. I am sure I can bring it to 3.5 stable on air in no time.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1859008)
Posted 1 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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I would suggest you download the latest HwInfo beta release and run it for monitoring. It has temperature monitoring that takes into account the offset in the X chips. Temperatures are Ttcl and Tdie. For the 1700 they should be same. HwInfo reports the voltages and temperatures from the CPU, from the onboard ITE I/O chip and also directly from the VRM regulators. The voltages from the VRM regulators are most consistent with actual voltages as measured directly with a digital multimeter.

Your temps with the stock Wraith cooler sound about right. You should achieve better temperature and control with the AIO whenever you are able to install it. Let's hope that the AIO brackets really do start shipping this next week. I am waiting on mine before I move everything into a new case with new power supply.

It looks that the latest BIOS for the Prime X370 had messed around with what the CPU reports as temperature. About 20° C less than before which is causing my fans to spin a lot slower on the same fan curve profile. I will have to go to Custom fan curves as I want the fans to spin a lot faster all the time since the computer will be under constant 100% loading with BOINC. I also see that the CPU voltages are reporting a lot higher than before. But the actual CPU voltage telemetry from the VRM regulators are reporting basically the same as before with the 0511 BIOS. The chip is mainly running at the default 1.35V for my 1700X chip.


OK so the temp I should look and worry about is the Tcdl/Tdie right ? and what is the 1700 max value I want to avoid ? The 8350 was 60 right ?
I did read a bit about that but it seems very confusing...
20) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1859007)
Posted 1 Apr 2017 by Profile VerdonimProject Donor
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Would an H60 provides better cooling than the stock wraith cooler ?
It would fit very nicely in my smaller new build.
I would let the H100i v2 on the big box for the FX-8350 as it is right now.


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