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Message 2141833 - Posted: 10 Oct 2024, 0:14:01 UTC - in response to Message 2141831.  

A US Minuteman III Test in 2023 succeeds in launching and going over 4,000 miles to reenter over an atoll in the Pacific.
As did a Chinese ICBM recently. What did this tells us? Putin is weak? I'm not convinced.

Russian military power always have been about quantity, perseverance and ability to suffer, not quality. And I fear at least one of these Satans will reach its targets, when dozens are launched. That's sufficient for mutual assured destruction.
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Message 2141848 - Posted: 10 Oct 2024, 10:36:08 UTC - in response to Message 2141835.  

More worrying and very much more possible is China walking into Eastern Siberia, including significantly Vladivostok...

A sort of Tibet part #2.


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Message 2141857 - Posted: 10 Oct 2024, 13:02:07 UTC - in response to Message 2141848.  
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More worrying and very much more possible is China walking into Eastern Siberia, including significantly Vladivostok... Haishenwai
The meaning of Vladivostok in Russian: "vladetch" (to own; to dominate; to conquer); "vostok" (the East).

They will not walk into (violently). Instead, since at least 20 years more and more Chinese 'trickle' into; start companies; cultivate leased fields (agriculture); increasingly control regional trade. They do what Chinese, historically speaking, have always done better than Russians. They only have to wait and observe Russia's continuing decline.

The East Asian perspective: Goodbye Vladivostok, Hello Haishenwai! :
From a Chinese and Korean perspective, the name Vladivostok must feel as natural as Salisbury, as Zimbabwe’s capital was formerly known, in Mashonaland.

It is notable that public discourse on decolonization regularly avoids any mention of Russia’s continuing colonial occupation. Maybe it is time to change that.
I despise PR China's autocratic model, diametrically opposed to Western liberalism. But I would welcome China regaining its historical provinces. USSR and Russia never was capable to develop these distant provinces further than to implant a few large artificial Soviet satellite cities, housing a serf workforce, attracted by subsidies to live in the former Tsar's (Stalin included) places of exile for dissidents. If Russia's current state ever collapses, as the USSR did in 1991, the Far East will once again be the region Russians will leave in droves because there are few regional business cycles. Moscow is sucking up money and wealth from all over the giant empire... at the same time, its distant provinces cannot survive without Moscow's administration, constant flow of subsidies, and countless government jobs.

A sort of Tibet part #2.
Hmmm... The Chinese desire to control Tibet was triggered by former British imperial policies that led to the violent conquest of Tibet in 1903. Brits feared Russia's expansion into Tibet (border to British India). The suppression of Tibetan culture after Chinese occupation in 1950 is of course Mao's responsibility.
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Message 2148768 - Posted: 7 May 2025, 20:49:53 UTC

It may not be "China vs Russia", but "China and Russia vs the world" instead as both display their hypercritical sides.

Moscow and Beijing declared have ominously vowed to “shape global governance in the right direction”, claiming they will stamp out “bullying” on the world stage.

Chinese President Xi Jinping headed to Moscow on Wednesday for a key three-day visit including a grand Victory Day parade and a show of support for Vladimir Putin.

Moscow and Beijing declared a “no limits partnership” weeks before Putin ordered Russia’s Ukraine offensive in February 2022. The expanded military and trade ties since have troubled the West.

The visit comes with rising China-US tensions over biting US trade tariffs, while President Donald Trump has also made overtures to Putin in a bid to mediate the conflict in Ukraine.

On Tuesday, the Kremlin praised Russia-China relations as a “genuine example” of cooperation and said they were “at their highest point”.......
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Message 2148769 - Posted: 7 May 2025, 20:58:07 UTC - in response to Message 2148768.  

On Tuesday, the Kremlin praised Russia-China relations as a “genuine example” of cooperation and said they were “at their highest point”....


This will last until someone unwittingly says "Manchuria". :^p
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Message 2148771 - Posted: 7 May 2025, 21:14:53 UTC - in response to Message 2148769.  

On Tuesday, the Kremlin praised Russia-China relations as a “genuine example” of cooperation and said they were “at their highest point”....


This will last until someone unwittingly says "Manchuria". :^p

Or even merely the name Vladivostok...


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Message 2148791 - Posted: 8 May 2025, 11:56:16 UTC - in response to Message 2148771.  
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On Tuesday, the Kremlin praised Russia-China relations as a “genuine example” of cooperation and said they were “at their highest point”....
This will last until someone unwittingly says "Manchuria". :^p
Or even merely the name Vladivostok... Haishenwai
Fixed...

Goodbye Vladivostok, Hello Haishenwai!

The CCP [China's Communist Party] has a long memory, as it has made clear over the years with sometimes splenetic outbursts aimed at Japan and the UK, and their role in its history. Will Russia get a free pass? That seems hard to believe.
This map names Russian cities in former Manchuria in Chinese phonetic transcription; below in paranthesis the original Chinese names of e.g. Vladivostok, Khabarovsk, or Sakhalin Island... btw. Taiwan..., and not to forget the Nine Dash Line in the South China Sea:
http://www.vidiani.com/maps/maps_of_asia/maps_of_china/detailed_political_and_administrative_map_of_china_in_english_and_chinese.jpg
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