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Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1741 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
A US Minuteman III Test in 2023 succeeds in launching and going over 4,000 miles to reenter over an atoll in the Pacific.As did a Chinese ICBM recently. What did this tells us? Putin is weak? I'm not convinced. Russian military power always have been about quantity, perseverance and ability to suffer, not quality. And I fear at least one of these Satans will reach its targets, when dozens are launched. That's sufficient for mutual assured destruction. |
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More worrying and very much more possible is China walking into Eastern Siberia, including significantly Vladivostok... A sort of Tibet part #2. Whatever next? All in our deadly political world... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Scrooge McDuck ![]() Send message Joined: 26 Nov 99 Posts: 1741 Credit: 1,674,173 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
More worrying and very much more possible is China walking into Eastern Siberia, including significantlyThe meaning of Vladivostok in Russian: "vladetch" (to own; to dominate; to conquer); "vostok" (the East). They will not walk into (violently). Instead, since at least 20 years more and more Chinese 'trickle' into; start companies; cultivate leased fields (agriculture); increasingly control regional trade. They do what Chinese, historically speaking, have always done better than Russians. They only have to wait and observe Russia's continuing decline. The East Asian perspective: Goodbye Vladivostok, Hello Haishenwai! : From a Chinese and Korean perspective, the name Vladivostok must feel as natural as Salisbury, as Zimbabwe’s capital was formerly known, in Mashonaland.I despise PR China's autocratic model, diametrically opposed to Western liberalism. But I would welcome China regaining its historical provinces. USSR and Russia never was capable to develop these distant provinces further than to implant a few large artificial Soviet satellite cities, housing a serf workforce, attracted by subsidies to live in the former Tsar's (Stalin included) places of exile for dissidents. If Russia's current state ever collapses, as the USSR did in 1991, the Far East will once again be the region Russians will leave in droves because there are few regional business cycles. Moscow is sucking up money and wealth from all over the giant empire... at the same time, its distant provinces cannot survive without Moscow's administration, constant flow of subsidies, and countless government jobs. A sort of Tibet part #2.Hmmm... The Chinese desire to control Tibet was triggered by former British imperial policies that led to the violent conquest of Tibet in 1903. Brits feared Russia's expansion into Tibet (border to British India). The suppression of Tibetan culture after Chinese occupation in 1950 is of course Mao's responsibility. |
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It may not be "China vs Russia", but "China and Russia vs the world" instead as both display their hypercritical sides. Moscow and Beijing declared have ominously vowed to “shape global governance in the right direction”, claiming they will stamp out “bullying” on the world stage. Chinese President Xi Jinping headed to Moscow on Wednesday for a key three-day visit including a grand Victory Day parade and a show of support for Vladimir Putin. |
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On Tuesday, the Kremlin praised Russia-China relations as a “genuine example” of cooperation and said they were “at their highest point”.... Or even merely the name Vladivostok... All in the game of deadly greedy politics... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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Fixed...Or even merely the nameOn Tuesday, the Kremlin praised Russia-China relations as a “genuine example” of cooperation and said they were “at their highest point”....This will last until someone unwittingly says "Manchuria". :^p Goodbye Vladivostok, Hello Haishenwai! The CCP [China's Communist Party] has a long memory, as it has made clear over the years with sometimes splenetic outbursts aimed at Japan and the UK, and their role in its history. Will Russia get a free pass? That seems hard to believe.This map names Russian cities in former Manchuria in Chinese phonetic transcription; below in paranthesis the original Chinese names of e.g. Vladivostok, Khabarovsk, or Sakhalin Island... btw. Taiwan..., and not to forget the Nine Dash Line in the South China Sea: http://www.vidiani.com/maps/maps_of_asia/maps_of_china/detailed_political_and_administrative_map_of_china_in_english_and_chinese.jpg |
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