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Message 2141760 - Posted: 8 Oct 2024, 11:04:46 UTC

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Israel 'attacked for being attacked' by 'useful idiots' in the West | Andrew Neil


The first minute gives a clear concise summary.

Where next?


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Message 2141825 - Posted: 9 Oct 2024, 21:27:36 UTC

Now tell me why the U.S. isn't complaisant in genocide.

How big is Israel’s military and how much funding does it get from the US?

Is Biden administration seeking de-escalation – or driving Middle East war?

It's just a shame that I can't find the link where Blinken's hypocrisy is shown when in 1 interview he's attacking PooTin for attacking civilians and in the other he's defending Adolf Benji for doing exactly the same thing.

Then there's this question.

Does anti-Zionism necessarily lead to anti-Semitism?

There is 1 fact about those stats that drift along the bottom and that is though anti-semitism may have increased more over Islamophobia since Oct.7, Islamophobia was very much higher than anti-semitism to start with.

All this slaughter could've/should've been avoided years ago if the west pulled Adolf Benji's horns back when he wouldn't treat Palestinians as equally human with the same rights as Israelis and unleashing his terrorist "settlers" on them under IDF guards.
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Message 2141826 - Posted: 9 Oct 2024, 21:56:31 UTC - in response to Message 2141825.  

All this slaughter...

What of Syria, Iraq, Iran???!!!

How have they been 'reigned in'...?


Gaza is not something happening in isolation... Is Aleppo, and others, so long forgotten?

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Message 2141832 - Posted: 9 Oct 2024, 23:37:42 UTC - in response to Message 2141825.  

It's just a shame that I can't find the link where Blinken's hypocrisy is shown when in 1 interview he's attacking PooTin for attacking civilians and in the other he's defending Adolf Benji for doing exactly the same thing

Is Netanyahu attacking civilians?
Or is it, the most likely case, that Netanyahu is attacking terrorists that hide behind civilians, and the civilian deaths and casualties the responsibility of these terrorists groups.
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Message 2141840 - Posted: 10 Oct 2024, 6:11:56 UTC - in response to Message 2141832.  

Or does he not believe there are any civilians there so by definition he can't attack them?
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Message 2141846 - Posted: 10 Oct 2024, 10:30:41 UTC - in response to Message 2141840.  

So... What is to be done?

Hezbollah/Hamas rent a room in a residential block of flats. Families with lots of women and children all around live in the flats/apartments all around the room used by Hezbollah/Hamas...

And rockets and a launcher are placed in that room and is used to randomly fire rockets into other apartments where families live.

Those other families happen to have no rockets or anything military anywhere near them. And yet they have a rocket pointed right at them which is guaranteed to be fired at them upon some random whim of Iran.

Oh what to do?


Note that Putin and such as Hezbollah/Hamas put a zero value on the lives of others. They very deliberately use civilians as expendable pawns in their wars.


Oh what to do?

Positive useful outcomes are sought.

Must not include holocaust or genocide of anyone.

Your solutions are?


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Message 2141912 - Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 13:09:01 UTC - in response to Message 2141846.  

Your solutions are?
The world community cannot accept the occupation or administration of territories or whole former sovereign countries by terrorists or even large terrorist organisations once they start to spread their terror (and thus war) from there to other sovereign states. Such terrorists or organizations must be eliminated as quickly..., as gently as possible, preferably using non-military means (sanctions, embargoes, diplomatic pressure) against them and all of their supporters; but ultimately by military force too (e.g. destruction of IS in Iraq and Syria). Appeasement, especially decades of appeasement, only increases the number of victims, the extent of destruction, thus the size of the ultimately inevitable 'explosion crater'.

A bloodthirsty, terrorist autocracy (e.g. North Korea) has to be tolerated for the sake of world peace as long as it only carries out terror within its own sovereign state territory. Toleration does not prohibit to apply a 'stick' (economic and diplomatic pressure)... or 'carrots' (rewards for achieved changes).

I choose North Korea, not Iran. I have no answer for the Mullah's terrorist threats (as well as for Putin's support to terrorist activities in Middle East and Africa).

What should never happen is indifference, inactivity or neglecting terrorist threats to world peace.
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Message 2141995 - Posted: 14 Oct 2024, 12:19:47 UTC

What Israel's latest attacks tell us about Netanyahu's next move
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Especially when it comes to the latest escalation, it would be wrong to assume that Netanayhu is operating outside the Israeli political mainstream. If anything, the pressure on him is to be tougher to strike harder against Hezbollah, but also Iran.

When a ceasefire plan in Lebanon was mooted by the US and France last month, criticism of the proposed 21-day truce came from the opposition, and the main left-wing grouping in Israel, as well as the right-wing parties.

Israel is determined to continue its wars now, not just because it feels it can withstand international pressure, but also because Israel’s tolerance of the threats it faces has shifted after 7 October.

Hezbollah has for years stated its aim to invade the Galilee in northern Israel. Now that the Israeli public has experienced the reality of gunmen infiltrating homes, that threat cannot be contained, it must be removed.
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Message 2142001 - Posted: 14 Oct 2024, 20:18:55 UTC

The cancer spreads.

Zionist ‘safety patrols’ on campus have little concern for Jewish safety.

Last academic year saw university students across North American campuses form Gaza solidarity encampments to protest Israel’s ongoing genocide of Palestinians and their universities’ financial complicity in the carnage. The sit-ins received widespread media coverage and helped carry Israel’s crimes against Palestinians to the top of the Western news agenda.

Although these campus protests were overwhelmingly peaceful and included many anti-Zionist Jewish students and faculty, Israel’s supporters in media, politics and academia itself responded to the demonstrations by accusing protesters of peddling anti-Semitism and intimidating Jewish students. Towards the end of the academic year, police dismantled most of these campus protests, arresting hundreds of students in the process and charging them with crimes ranging from third-degree trespass to felony burglary.

Now, as a new academic year starts and Zionist genocidal aggression continues in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon students are once again mobilising in protest. These student protesters are already facing further intimidation from university administrations, threats from political leaders, abuse from the police and unsubstantiated accusations of anti-Semitism from mainstream media. Moreover, campuses this academic year are facing a new threat: intimidation from so-called Zionist “self-defence” groups with far-right links.

At the University of Toronto, Magen Herut Canada (Defender of Freedom Canada), a volunteer-based Zionist vigilante group affiliated with Herut Canada – an organisation tied to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right, revisionist Likud Party, which advocates for the “Greater Israel” settler-colonial vision – was mobilised to ostensibly “defend” Jewish students from what they claim to be protesters’ anti-Semitism.

Magen Herut plans to expand its “volunteer safety patrols” across Canada and into the United States. Membership requires ideological alignment with Zionism and experience in policing, security, or the military. With more than 50 members, Magen Herut coordinates through WhatsApp groups to patrol up to 15 zones, including university campuses, and to appear at Gaza solidarity protests, where they intimidate attendees. They go on patrol in sizeable groups, wearing black T-shirts that identify them as members of the Magen Herut “Surveillance team”. The group’s leader, Aaron Hadida, a security expert, teaches “Jewish self-defence,” including the use of firearms. Magen Herut works closely with J-Force, a private security firm that provides “protest security” for Israel supporters. J-Force deploys volunteers to pro-Palestine events in tactical gear. Both groups are expected to remain active on campus throughout the academic year.......
The author, Yoav Litvin, is an Israeli-American doctor of psychology/neuroscience, a writer and photographer.
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Message 2142010 - Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 5:40:34 UTC

Adolf Benji and his Nazi/Apartheid government won't like this I bet.

Australians told to leave Israel as PM Benjamin Netanyahu promises ‘merciless’ campaign.
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Message 2142013 - Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 7:27:14 UTC - in response to Message 2142001.  
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With more than 50 members, Magen Herut coordinates through WhatsApp groups to patrol up to 15 zones, including university campuses, and to appear at Gaza solidarity protests, where they intimidate attendees.
Volunteer Zionists formed a 50 strong force, trained on firearms, wearing black "SS" uniforms, going to break the skulls of the hundreds of thousands of peaceful, poorly treated, intimidated, and falsely-accusated pro-Hamas protestors at US university campuses...

Sorry, I would rate this propaganda... It is a distortion of reality that can be observed at US and Canadian universities, not to speak of city centers. Al-Jazeera's propaganda and misinformation is the 'cancer' that spreads everywhere.

When Jewish people are put under pressure, attacked, their freedoms restricted, they tend not to accept their fate anymore but to act against and protect themselves. They have learned from history, not repeating the mistakes of the past. What about us?
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Message 2142029 - Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 19:52:28 UTC

Should've been done months ago.

A clearly furious Biden-Harris administration has warned Israel it has just 30 days to comply to its demands or consequences will follow.

The US Government has sent a letter to Israel demanding it improve humanitarian aid efforts in Gaza within 30 days or else it could halt military assistance.

The October 13 letter, penned by US secretary of state Antony Blinken and defence secretary Lloyd Austin, threatened to pause the delivery of US weapons and aid to Israel unless the Jewish state provided assurance that humanitarian aid flowed into Gaza unhindered, according to reports in Israeli media.

The American officials found that since April, there had been a significant deterioration in the amount of aid entering Gaza despite Israel’s vow to keep food and supplies coming back in March, reports The New York Post. ......
And even though members of the IDF have been trained on it it seems that the U.S. doesn't trust it their hands.

Pentagon to 'bolster' Israel's air defences with THAAD anti-missile system and 100 US troops.

The United States is providing Israel with one of its most advanced air defence systems to help defend against further Iranian ballistic missile attacks.

And in a rare move, it will also send about 100 troops to the country to operate it, the Pentagon said.......
While Christians are now on Adolf Benji's hit list.

UN urges probe into deadly Israeli strike on north Lebanon.

The UN’s humanitarian office has called for an investigation into an Israeli air strike that killed 23 people in northern Lebanon on Monday.

Spokesman Jeremy Laurence said the strike, on the Christian-majority village of Aitou, raised "real concerns" with respect to international humanitarian law........
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Message 2142036 - Posted: 16 Oct 2024, 0:49:17 UTC - in response to Message 2142029.  

Everyone is on Benji's hit list. Just like Martin Niemöller warned.
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Message 2142053 - Posted: 16 Oct 2024, 12:54:35 UTC - in response to Message 2142036.  

Everyone is on Benji's hit list. Just like Martin Niemöller warned.
This Reverend Martin Niemöller? (larger image linked)



Seriously? Martin Niemöller: A declared anti-democrat and anti-Semite. U-Boot (submarine) officer in WW1. A right-wing nationalist Freikorps officer in the revolutionary post WW1 period. Member of the honorary council of the antisemitic "National Association of German Officers". A revanchist monarchist, thus an opponent of the First German Republic (democratic "Weimar Republic": 1919-1933). An early supporter and advocate of Nazi ideology, supporter of the Führer principle (strong leader autocracy). Since 1924 an ardent NSDAP (Nazi party) supporter. In 1939 he applied to become an U-Boot commander again (war enthusiast?). Since the 1930s an influential figure in the Protestant Church, where he advocated to adapt/appease to Nazi Ideology, but stand up for religious principles (an oxymoron!). His fundamentalist demeanour and later opposition to Nazi regime landed him in a concentration camp (VIP prisoner; to control, not to kill him). After WW2 a declared pacifist; collaborated with USSR. He rejected the "Israelfrage"; a sovereign state for Jews. In 1966 he visited Hanoi (Vietnam) to help Vietcong denounce America's war crimes.

With influential German figures of the early 20th century it is always advised to look closely at their convictions and early careers. The Western Allied occupation forces did exactly that after WWII in West Germany. Their assessment of Möller was ambiguous (whether he plausibly rejects militarism and nationalism; to work towards a democratic future).

Such Germans were shaped by the 20th century. Despite their achievements (influential pastor, church reformer, peace activist), I do not believe that Möller after WW2 honestly abandoned his steadfast nationalist and antisemitic beliefs; an intelligent, highly educated person, already over 50 years old at the time. He wasn't a young, misled (brainwashed) Nazi supporter.

It is precisely from his rejection to consider the "Israelfrage" that is legitimacy of State of Israel (in 1963 he expressed to support the Arab position) that I recognize him as the convicted anti-Semite he had ever been... at least since end of WW1 (1918).

The path from the post-WW2 peace movement, opposition to nuclear arms in the Cold War to left-wing extremism and left-wing terrorism was always a short one in West Germany of the 1960s (leftist antisemitism included). Möller gave his reserved VIP burial site to the murdered Marxist and left-wing extremist student leader Rudi Dutschke. [all off-topic]
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Message 2142076 - Posted: 16 Oct 2024, 21:33:35 UTC
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How do we undo extremism and calm down from the aftermath of the very deliberate horrors of that extremism?


Repeatedly, we continue to see that whatever appeasement never works...

Worse still, any delays merely magnify the horrors and their extent...

How do we get out of the mess wrought by Iran and the Iranian funded/supported/promoted proxies?...

Note especially how no country in the world wants anything to do to usefully help the Gaza area or any of the very troubled people there...


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Message 2142081 - Posted: 17 Oct 2024, 2:51:03 UTC
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Or how do you get rid of far right Zionism that wants all of Israel to be a Jewish only state and stop those terrorist settlers that created this latest problem?
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Message 2142098 - Posted: 17 Oct 2024, 12:43:46 UTC - in response to Message 2142081.  
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Or how do you get rid of far right Zionism that wants all of Israel to be a Jewish only state and stop those terrorist settlers that created this latest problem?
Nobody outside Israel can. It is a democracy. Israelis decide.

But it is important for Israel's future that far right, orthodox fundamentalists, that is the settler movement never becomes the majority of Israelis. (significantly higher birth rates; immigration from US as well). If they are ever able to win a majority in parliament, able to set the political agenda, I fear that would destroy the state of Israel within a decade... insolvable domestic conflicts... loss of international support. A first glimpse of that can be observed in Benji's fundamentalist coalition partners.

A lasting, stable peace could push back fundamentalist of all stripes. There are different opinions on how to achieve this. Appeasement or exercise of power? Probably somewhere in between. And hopefully ASAP diplomacy again as soon as there is sufficient trust for that.
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