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Message 2137722 - Posted: 28 Jun 2024, 7:44:27 UTC

If you don't want to be occupied.

Don't start wars.
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Message 2137727 - Posted: 28 Jun 2024, 9:15:54 UTC - in response to Message 2137716.  
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Hum, since 1967 https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/ they have been doing exactly that, off and on, more or less, but always some occupation.
Amnesty is not a neutral party in this conflict.

Israel also occupied Egypt's Sinai Peninsula in 1967. There was a rational reason for its occupation (to keep the massive Egyptian tank army at bay). They returned Sinai with a peace treaty. The same with Kingdom of Jordan. There's no peace treaty with Syria, Lebanon and no treaty with Palestinian Authorities on peace.

Since 1967... It was not Israel that waged war in 1967. The united Arab leaders decided to attack and destroy Israel. After they lost they declared the "Three Noes of Khartoum" policy.

  • No peace with Israel,
  • No negotiation with Israel,
  • No recognition of Israel.

There will be no change to the status quo with that. Egypt's and Jordan's leaders understood this years later. The others still don't.

Unilateral retreat from occupied Gaza without an agreement enabled today's Hamas empire in Gaza. Why are there no more elections in the West Bank? Why is Mahmoud Abbas still in office? Why doesn't Israel retreat from occupied West Bank, as the UN demands? The answer is always the same. Terrorists would come to power and there would be war.

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Message 2137805 - Posted: 30 Jun 2024, 9:31:38 UTC

Report in The Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/30/no-israel-is-not-starving-the-people-of-gaza/ indicates that the stories of Israel causing starvation in Gaza is propaganda.
It would appear from the numbers that fewer people of Gaza are starving now than there were in 2022 when Hamas was in charge.

This may come as some surprise, but only three per cent of the residents of Rafah, in Gaza, were poorly fed in May, according to the United Nations. In Khan Yunis and the central town of Deir al Balah, that figure stood at six per cent. The biggest challenges were faced by those who had failed to evacuate from the north at the start of the campaign. There, 13 per cent were found to be hungry. The overwhelming majority of Gazans had “acceptable” quantities of food.

Now consider the situation before Hamas brought catastrophe to Gaza. Despite billions of dollars of aid money pouring into the Strip, 14 per cent of the population faced hunger in 2022, according to a contemporaneous study by the World Food Programme. So it appears that provisions are better now than they were when Hamas was in charge.

Not that you’d know it from the reporting. In its analysis, the UN grudgingly concluded that it was “unable to endorse” the classification made by the likes of the head of the World Food Programme, who had claimed that Gaza had entered a “full-blown famine”. Was there an apology? Nope. The new line, spun by the UN and amplified by the BBC and fellow travellers, was that Gazans faced “catastrophic levels” of hunger.

Without wishing to minimise the deprivations of war, here was an object lesson in propaganda in the age of mass media.
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Message 2137811 - Posted: 30 Jun 2024, 15:33:28 UTC - in response to Message 2137805.  

Nice opinion piece by the editor of The Jewish Chronicle.
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Message 2137814 - Posted: 30 Jun 2024, 18:54:43 UTC

Just more of Adolf Benji's B.S. propaganda.
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Message 2137919 - Posted: 4 Jul 2024, 12:37:31 UTC
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This is just part of what triggered Oct.7 by Adolf Benji and his greedy murderous crew of morons.

The decades-old blueprint that could make or break hopes for lasting peace in the Middle East.

And this crap just makes matters worse.

Booking.com faces criminal complaint over listings in illegal Israeli settlements.

Now who is really the terrorists?

Inside Gaza's 'safe zone' of Khan Younis where Israel is striking without warning.
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Message 2137959 - Posted: 5 Jul 2024, 12:00:54 UTC - in response to Message 2137919.  

You insinuate that the invasion of Israel, the destruction of Israeli kibbuzim, and the mass murder of more than a thousand civilians, women, men, children and babies, the torment, torture and killing of parents in front of their children, the kidnapping and mistreatment of hundreds of Israeli civilians, the rape of women and girls... All of this horrors is a logical consequence of the Israeli occupation of the West Bank? No, that's too short-sighted. The true intention always was to end 'the intolerable existence of the Zionist entity' on Arab lands. Oct 7th was triggered by a death cult of brainwashed fanatics and terrorists from Gaza and Tehran, and not to forget the Hamas aristocracy in Doha/Qatar. They alone prepared, planned, trained for, set the day of the attack, and triggered it on Oct 7th.

Has Palestinian terror since 1967 achieved or improved anything for them? Does it make sense for them to continue on this path? Does it make sense for us to encourage and support them, with billions of dollars, even if only morally with protests all over the West? This people (if it is a people, distinguishable from Egyptians or Jordanians) has taken a wrong turn in history (like other people before). Have the Mullahs become a friend of them now, improving their lives? No, Arabs in Palestine have only been misused as a tool of their neighboring Arab regimes against Israel for almost eighty years now.

The first article is about traditional land use rights of nomads versus growing urban structures. Such conflicts exist in many places in the world. The more powerful, the more influential, and the majority (in numbers) assert their interests. The world is changing, day by day, even for nomads. Nobody cares about them elsewhere. Terror will not improve their rights. Peace, mutual understanding and negotiations can. I admit, Jewish settlers disagree; but they still don't represent a majority. Feared by progressive Israelis, that can change one day, due to high birth rates and immigration.

Palestinians are now confronted with an Israeli government for whom their interests will be the last thing to consider... at least for the foreseeable future. Employees in Israel's agriculture sector or in nursing and health care jobs are now flown in from the Philippines, India, Nepal, Thailand, Chinese... and in any case no Palestinian will be given a work permit (btw. the same as in UAE, Qatar, Saudis,...; why no Palestinians? compatriot Sunni Arabs?). The previous employment opportunities for many hundred thousands Palestinians are gone; supposedly forever. I assume, Israels' position now is: the UN should take care of employment for 'their clients' because UN knows what is best for Palestinians. Hamas wanted to establish this exact conditions. Mission accomplished.

It will take at least another two decades until influential Palestinian intellectuals will realize this. That is, if at some point there will be intellectuals among them, without a terrorist past (cf. Mahmoud Abbas' PLO past), able to break away from religious fanatism and to think open-minded. In Europe we called it the Enlightenment at the beginning of the 18th century.
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Message 2137960 - Posted: 5 Jul 2024, 12:02:54 UTC - in response to Message 2137919.  
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Now who is really the terrorists?

Inside Gaza's 'safe zone' of Khan Younis where Israel is striking without warning.
Does a safe zone offer Hamas terrorists protection to establish an unassailable base or does such a zone serves another purpose? The world community requires Israel to adhere to the laws and customs of war and expects that there will be zero Palestinian civilian casualties. Hamas counts all their fighters as civilians and does not obey any accepted international rules and customs of war. This is an irreconcilable contradiction. We can discuss this infinitely. The only thing one could learn from this is the following: The world cannot accept the rule of lawless fanatics, terrorists, and murderers over failed states or non-sovereign territories. One could already learn that in the past from Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan or ISIS in Iraq. This is also true for Hezbollah, Houthis...
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Message 2138091 - Posted: 9 Jul 2024, 0:53:08 UTC

As Hamas softens its stance on peace talks as there's talk that Adolf Benji and his bunch of Nazi butchers are already moving the goal posts while their war crimes continue to keep on mounting.

Thousands of Palestinians flee fighting in Gaza City, mediators push for truce deal.

Didn't Nostradamus predict that WWIII would start in the Middle East?
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Message 2138170 - Posted: 10 Jul 2024, 20:35:45 UTC

Just more proof of Adolf Benji and his Nazi butchers don't care about peace over genocide.

Dozens of Gazans killed in Israeli assault that Hamas warns may threaten truce talks.

Palestinian officials say an Israeli air strike in southern Gaza has killed dozens of people while advancing tanks in Gaza City forced residents to flee under fire.

As Israel stepped up its offensive on Tuesday, local time, Hamas warned ceasefire talks could be jeopardised.

The air strike hit the tents of displaced families outside a school in the town of Abassan east of Khan Younis in southern Gaza.

At least 29 were killed, most of them women and children, Palestinian medical officials said. The Israeli military said it was looking into the report.

Ismail Al-Thawabta, director of the Hamas-run Gaza government media office, said Israeli strikes on central Gaza areas killed 60 Palestinians and wounded dozens of others on Tuesday.

Residents said Israeli tanks that pushed into the Tel Al-Hawa, Shejaia and Sabra neighbourhoods of Gaza City shelled roads and buildings, forcing them to flee their homes.

This was followed by Israeli military orders to evacuate several districts in eastern and western Gaza City posted on social media, which included these neighbourhoods.........
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Message 2138217 - Posted: 12 Jul 2024, 9:33:35 UTC

The thing is: these are now empty threats from a terrorist regime at a dead end.
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Message 2138422 - Posted: 16 Jul 2024, 21:55:35 UTC

Adolf Benji and his Nazi butchers certainly don't want peace, they just want the innocent blood to keep on flooding the streets (or what's left of those streets).

Israeli strikes across Gaza kill at least 50, Palestinian health officials say.
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Message 2138442 - Posted: 17 Jul 2024, 9:02:03 UTC

'Palestinian health officials' are controlled by Hamas. Their figures are not verifiable. Previous figures have regularly turned out to be greatly exaggerated. Hamas categorizes their dead or wounded fighters as 'civilians'. Often precise figures were published within minutes after battles.

from the article:
The armed wings of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, a Hamas ally, said their fighters had attacked Israeli forces in several locations with anti-tank rockets and mortar bombs.

Islamic Jihad's armed wing said it had fired missiles at Sderot in southern Israel.
What do they expect the IDF to do? Throwing softballs to repel attacks?

Many innocent civilians die in each war, that's why sane leaders try to avoid war at all costs. Israel enforces an end to Hamas terror regime in Gaza, Hamas incursions into its territory, the murder and kidnapping of its citizens, and rocket attacks on Israeli towns and villages. Peace is impossible there as long as the Palestinians do not strive for it. A ceasefire is all what is possible at the moment, but it is no longer Hamas to set its terms.
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Message 2138451 - Posted: 17 Jul 2024, 16:06:56 UTC

Hamas could stop a lot of these Israeli actions very quickly, but won't, because it won't get the international response they want, by releasing all the hostages.
Instead of hiding the hostages in places that will result in high, often fictitious, 'innocent civilian' casualties, when the Israeli forces try to recover them.
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Message 2138460 - Posted: 17 Jul 2024, 20:21:27 UTC

Quite frankly I find that those who support either Hamas or Adolf Benji's Nazi party stand at the same lower moral level as neither side give a crap about the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians being murdered, slaughtered, shuffled around like on a chessboard from 1 killing field to another plus having their lands stolen and houses destroyed.

Both sides treat them as just animals.

It's way past time that some start thinking of others who have no control, say or legal standing over their own lives and are just treated as pawns in a stupidly deadly game between 2 types of terrorists and that fact just makes me sick.
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Message 2138465 - Posted: 17 Jul 2024, 21:48:14 UTC - in response to Message 2138460.  
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The problem I have with that is, that I don't believe all this 'innocent civilians' talk, as witnessed in other places such as Cyprus and Northern Island.

Many of these 'innocent civilians' will deliver messages and weapons (bomb delivered under baby in pram, https://www.nytimes.com/1972/04/25/archives/babycarriage-bomb-injures-3-in-belfast.html), housewives and kids flooding onto street blocking security forces chasing terrorists, etc, etc.
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Message 2138478 - Posted: 18 Jul 2024, 4:52:04 UTC

It is so easy to imagine everyone who isn't of your kind to be the most vile enemy. Truth does not matter, just breading more hate.
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Message 2138486 - Posted: 18 Jul 2024, 17:28:34 UTC - in response to Message 2138478.  

Sadly, all too true.

Also dangerously, a vital part of the Trump religion?...


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Message 2138539 - Posted: 19 Jul 2024, 20:14:44 UTC

They should never have been allowed to start in the first place and just 1 of the many triggers for Oct.7.

International Court of Justice rules Israel's presence in occupied Palestinian territories is illegal and should end.

The United Nations' highest court has found Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territories are illegal and all states should cooperate to bring an end to the Israel-Palestinian conflict, in an advisory opinion issued on Friday.

The findings by judges at the International Court of Justice (ICJ), known as the World Court, are not binding but carry weight under international law and may weaken support for Israel.

"Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and the regime associated with them, have been established and are being maintained in violation of international law," President Nawaf Salam said, reading the findings of a 15-judge panel.

The opinion said Israel should pay reparations to Palestinians for damages caused by the occupation.

It also found the UN Security Council, the General Assembly and all states have an obligation not to recognise the occupation as legal and not to give aid or support toward maintaining it.

The case stems from a 2022 request from the UN General Assembly, predating the war in Gaza which began in October.......
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Message 2138655 - Posted: 22 Jul 2024, 20:55:24 UTC

Adolf Benji continues to play his butcher's game of "wack-a-mole" with innocent peoples' lives and winds up taking those of another 2 hostages as well. How many hostages is that now killed by Benji's Butchers?

Israel Orders Evacuation of Part of Gaza Humanitarian Zone.
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