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Message 2136229 - Posted: 24 May 2024, 8:51:09 UTC

Adolf Benji and his genocidal mob are backing Israel into a very bad corner and it's way past time for the U.S. to wake up to its self in trying to cover up the war crimes being committed.

Israel’s isolation deepens on the world stage.
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Message 2136248 - Posted: 24 May 2024, 16:22:12 UTC

It has gotten so bad here that if you don't call for the extermination of Palestine you are branded an antisemite.
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Message 2136252 - Posted: 24 May 2024, 19:57:26 UTC

That corner is getting smaller.

UN's top court orders Israel to halt Rafah offensive in landmark ruling.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has ordered Israel to halt its military offensive inside Rafah in southern Gaza, in a landmark ruling unlikely to have any impact on the ground.

South Africa had asked the United Nations' top court, located in The Hague, to impose new emergency measures on Israel's military campaign in Rafah, saying it must be stopped to ensure the survival of the Palestinian people.

Israel began its invasion of parts of Rafah earlier this month and at least 800,000 Palestinians have fled from the city since.

The ICJ said its ruling was influenced by the deteriorating humanitarian situation inside Gaza, calling it "disastrous".

South African Department of International Relations and Cooperation director-general Zane Dangor said his country welcomed the ruling.

"This order is ground-breaking as it is the first time that explicit mention is made for Israel to halt its military action in any area of Gaza," he said.

The ICJ also ordered Israel to open the Rafah crossing between Egypt and Gaza, which the country's military recently took control of, to allow humanitarian aid into the strip.

On top of that, the court ordered Israel to let UN investigators into Gaza and report back on its progress in all areas within a month.

The ICJ's 15 judges voted 13-2 on all measures. The dissenting voices were from Israel itself and Uganda.

While the ICJ's rulings are considered binding, the court has no power to enforce them.......
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Message 2136258 - Posted: 24 May 2024, 23:10:35 UTC
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The ICJ's 15 judges voted 13-2 on all measures. The dissenting voices were from Israel itself and Uganda.
Uganda... that surprises me. In the 1970s, this country was for almost a decade ruled by the tyrant Idi Amin, who, among other cruelties, supported Palestinian terrorists in hijacking an Air France flight with 253 passengers, including 77 Israelis, to Uganda in 1976. Idi Amin released most of the non-Jewish hostages immediately. An Israeli military operation forcibly freed the remaining ~100 hostages a week later in Entebbe, Uganda. 20 Ugandan soldiers died and 11 Ugandan Air Force fighter jets were destroyed by Israeli commandos. Uganda... surprising.

Israel will never again allow anyone to dictate how, when or where it rescues its kidnapped citizens from the hands of Palestinian terrorists. This happened to often in the last 50 years. Knowledge of history and neutrality rather than hatred of Israel would be expected from an international court.

It is worth reading the dissenting opinion of Ugandan vice-president, Judge Julia Sebutinde:

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240524-ord-01-01-en.pdf (in English, 9 pages)

2. Once again, South Africa has invited the Court to micromanage the conduct of hostilities between Israel and Hamas. Such hostilities are exclusively governed by the laws of war [...] and international human rights law, areas where the Court lacks jurisdiction in this case. [...]
Sebutinde rejects South Africa's request to restrict Israel's ability to pursue legitimate military objectives. The court applies standards to Israel that have never been applied to any other state or party before. She documents that South Africa's request misdirects the court and omits latest developments of the situation in Gaza. She assesses the request is 'to some extent paradoxical' as it demands Israel to withdraw from Gaza, yet also expects Israel to ensure effective delivery of aid within Gaza. Hamas remains in control of much of civil life in Gaza.

Conclusion: Gaza is a war zone. Several Hamas battalions are still operating in Rafah and only recently launched more than thousand rockets. Israel has the right to fight them there and to seek to return its hostages. The court order does not contradict Israel's right of self-defense. Instead the ICJ allows itself to be misused by South Africa as a political actor abandoning its neutrality.
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Message 2136261 - Posted: 25 May 2024, 0:00:35 UTC - in response to Message 2136252.  
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The ICJ also ordered Israel to open the Rafah crossing between Egypt and Gaza, which the country's military recently took control of, to allow humanitarian aid into the strip.
Sad fact: reopen the Rafah crossing requires Egypt to cooperate. Israel alone cannot do that. Egypt also refuses aid transports via its crossing into Israel (then to Gaza). The court’s order is directed at Israel only, not Egypt.

On top of that, the court ordered Israel to let UN investigators into Gaza and report back on its progress in all areas within a month.
More than 1,000 NGO personnel entered Gaza unhindered since Nov 2023 and never in the history of the ICJ a sovereign state was ordered to admit 'third-party observers' on its territory, not in Syria, Myanmar or elsewhere. The court also does not possess the power to enforce reports. Double standards when it comes to Israel.
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Message 2136343 - Posted: 27 May 2024, 4:40:49 UTC

Last time such words, as below, were spoken about a group of people Hitler was speaking it about the Jews. I guess they learned the lesson too well.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/after-masked-reservists-video-threat-gantz-urges-netanyahu-to-denounce-insubordination-calls/ wrote:
calling for the defense minister’s resignation and threatening to defy orders if the government doesn’t pursue “complete victory” over Hamas.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/09/middleeast/israel-gaza-hamas-fighting-monday-intl-hnk/index.html wrote:
Following Hamas’ devastating surprise attack in Israeli territory over the weekend, Israeli defense minister Yoav Gallant on Monday also ordered a “complete siege” of Gaza, and said he would halt the supply of electricity, food, water and fuel to the Palestinian enclave.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/israel-defense-minister-human-animals-gaza-palestine_n_6524220ae4b09f4b8d412e0a wrote:
“We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly,” Gallant said.
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Message 2136354 - Posted: 27 May 2024, 9:20:37 UTC
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... Very cool and calm and sensible heads are needed to untangle all of the grotesque provocations across that area...

And a cooling off and rehabilitation time is needed.

Unfortunately, we're going to continue with more of the same nastiness whilst Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Russia continue to feed and stir the fires of hatred...

And Israel is reshaped into an ever more angry and uncompromising punch drunk bear to lash out in ever greater anger...


Meanwhile, the rest of the world feebly watches in detachment...

Until that is, the oil price is threatened...


What of the humanity? What to positively usefully do??

Reminder: Note that the extermination of Israel is not an option.


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Message 2136358 - Posted: 27 May 2024, 9:40:48 UTC

You shouldn't read such Jewish propaganda websites. ;-)

Terrorists are not animals either, even if they behave like predators. It is the sovereign constitutional state that still treats them like human beings, which does not preclude fighting them with military means.

If military personnel, even lower-ranking reservists, publicly express a political opinion and threaten the government, they must be removed ASAP. Netanyahu must take tough action, even if he sympathizes with the content of the threat.

I think it is in the interest of Israel that the moderate government members like Gantz will replace Netanyahu ASAP. It is also time to hold someone responsible for October 7th. Who decided to position more military forces in the West Bank to comply with settlers' demands instead of near Gaza? Netanyahu or the defense minister, both? The person(s) in charge have to go.
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Message 2136359 - Posted: 27 May 2024, 10:36:46 UTC

Just seen.... Gary posted two old articles from Oct 9 2023, exactly two days after the most gruesome mass murder of Jewish civilians since the Holocaust. It is understandable that such statements were made at that time, based on the horror that shook all of Israel to its foundations. To the opposite Israel never cut electricity, nor water supplies to Gaza; electricity and water from Israel by the way. Instead they delivered thousands tonnes of aid, groceries, paid by Israel.

Sorry, but I think it's unfair to argue in May 2024 with articles from Oct 9th 2023.
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Message 2136360 - Posted: 27 May 2024, 10:40:34 UTC - in response to Message 2136358.  

Indeed so.

Still, on the ground, and on "Social Media", there is an explosive tinderbox of hatred and impatience to quell:


... Hours earlier, Hamas had fired eight rockets from Rafah towards Tel Aviv...

... How Israeli settlers took revenge for a murder in the West Bank


Tragically: "... an organised campaign of revenge that was incited in part using WhatsApp, carried out by co-ordinated groups on the ground, and targeted against ordinary Palestinians with no apparent connection to the murder other than the bad luck of living nearby..."


We have a long way to go.

Let's start now?...


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Message 2136361 - Posted: 27 May 2024, 10:53:20 UTC - in response to Message 2136354.  

And Israel is reshaped into an ever more angry and uncompromising punch drunk bear to lash out in ever greater anger...
No, I don't think the Israeli society will be reshaped this way. To the opposite: Netanyahu's last day in office isn't far. The moderate members of his war cabinet have long been calling for a credible post-war plan for Gaza. Their patience is finite. You can fight a legitimate war to destroy Hamas but you need a plan for the day after in time. That needs reason and rationality. It doesn't look like Netanyahu is able to provide that.
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Message 2136362 - Posted: 27 May 2024, 11:29:58 UTC - in response to Message 2136261.  

Sad fact: reopen the Rafah crossing requires Egypt to cooperate. Israel alone cannot do that. Egypt also refuses aid transports via its crossing into Israel (then to Gaza). [...]
Heard in the radio... over the weekend the Biden administration negotiated with Egypt on the redirection of aid transports stuck at the Rafah crossing to other crossings via Israel to Gaza. Egypt will temporally allow redirection of trucks.

Sometimes I think there are mostly immature children ruling the Middle East who need a warning voice and a guiding hand every day. Incredible.
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Message 2136370 - Posted: 27 May 2024, 16:34:59 UTC - in response to Message 2136359.  

Just seen.... Gary posted two old articles from Oct 9 2023, exactly two days after the most gruesome mass murder of Jewish civilians since the Holocaust. It is understandable that such statements were made at that time, based on the horror that shook all of Israel to its foundations. To the opposite Israel never cut electricity, nor water supplies to Gaza; electricity and water from Israel by the way. Instead they delivered thousands tonnes of aid, groceries, paid by Israel.

Sorry, but I think it's unfair to argue in May 2024 with articles from Oct 9th 2023.

Mr. Duck, you also missed the defense minister who made the statements a year ago was sacked and the call was against the current defense minister for not being as radical as the sacked one, who echoed Benji's total death calls.
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Message 2136376 - Posted: 27 May 2024, 20:29:36 UTC

Adolf Benji continues with his lies as the slaughter of innocents goes on in so called safe zones.

Israeli’s PM has said an attack that killed 45 Gazans was “tragic” as international condemnation against the country grows.

While our Lord Voldemort gets piled on for wanting us to quit the ICC, but that's just typical far right thinking on his part.

A panel of experts have weighed in after Peter Dutton flagged potentially cutting ties with the International Criminal Court over its pursuit of Israel’s prime minister.
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Message 2136382 - Posted: 27 May 2024, 21:57:55 UTC

Even Piers must be worried about his ratings over his support of Adolf Benji.

Morgan Turns on Benjamin Netanyahu Over 'Indefensible' Rafah Strikes.

Did someone finally punch a hole in his head to let the sunlight shine in? Though his buddy across the pond won't like that.

Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators.
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Message 2136385 - Posted: 28 May 2024, 0:48:48 UTC - in response to Message 2136370.  
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Mr. Duck, you also missed the defense minister who made the statements a year ago was sacked and the call was against the current defense minister for not being as radical as the sacked one, who echoed Benji's total death calls.
I didn't miss a sacked minister. The same Yoav Gallant is still in office. The previous one (Gantz) also wasn't sacked, but left office when the previous administration's term ended in Dec 2022. Netanyahu appointed Gantz again as member of his war cabinet after Oct 7.

That is not the point. You started with the news of a few lunatics who recorded a video and demanded B.S... Netanyahu ignored it... so what? The best thing you can do with such videos is ignore and carry on (as long as it seems appropriate). Gantz urges Netanyahu to denounce the lunatics... tiring political games...

But I also think it is Gantz who is currently putting the most pressure on Netanyahu to present a credible post-war plan for Gaza by the first week of June and threatens to resign if not. It's also him who demands earlier elections. Supposedly a good sign that there are different opinions in the government again. Dissent forces to think.
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Message 2136414 - Posted: 28 May 2024, 20:17:11 UTC

Genocidal Adolf Benji and his mob keep on racking up the war crimes as support for Israel further disappears as a result.

Second strike on tent camp kills 21 people and injures more than 60 near Rafah, Israel denies involvement.
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Message 2136468 - Posted: 29 May 2024, 22:16:00 UTC

Within the last days Israel regained control over the "Philadelphi" corridor along the whole border between Gaza and Egypt.

source: Newsweek:
This included the alleged uncovering of up to 20 tunnels said to be used by the group to smuggle goods and weapons across Gaza's southern border with Egypt, a strip referred to by Israeli officials as the Philadelphi Corridor.

"We've achieved over the course of the last 10 days tactical control over the Philadelphi corridor, which doesn't mean that we have boots on the ground across all of the corridor," the IDF spokesperson said, "it means we can control it and we have the ability to cut off the oxygen line that Hamas has used for replenishing and movement in and around that area."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip_smuggling_tunnels
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Message 2136494 - Posted: 30 May 2024, 17:33:26 UTC - in response to Message 2136468.  

And why does Israel care about the international border between other countries?

Could it be that it has to be sealed to completely surround and thus starve to death to people encircled?
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Message 2136504 - Posted: 30 May 2024, 22:58:45 UTC - in response to Message 2136494.  

... To starve the area of Iranian and Russian weapons?

Toys and children and all that...


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