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Message 2134468 - Posted: 1 Apr 2024, 20:40:12 UTC - in response to Message 2134467.  
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But... But... But...

What about the Crusaders from when they had it all???...

Crusades and the Holy Land, 1095–1291
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By the end of the 11th century, the period of Islamic Arab territorial expansion had been over for centuries. The Holy Land's remoteness from focus of Islamic power struggles enabled relative peace and prosperity...



... Instead:

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Message 2134473 - Posted: 1 Apr 2024, 22:17:38 UTC

back to topic…

Biden must stop Benji if he wants to secure sufficient votes from the pro-Palestine faction in the U.S.

And Israel must end Hamas' reign of terror. Just as it cannot tolerate the evacuation of its north because of Hezbollah’s attacks forever.

How will this turn out? I can't see any likely outcome.
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Message 2134479 - Posted: 2 Apr 2024, 6:05:10 UTC

Benji's lost it. Expected Rump to do something like this.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/2/attack-on-iran-consulate-in-damascus-what-do-we-know
WWIII starts today.
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Message 2134482 - Posted: 2 Apr 2024, 9:37:34 UTC - in response to Message 2134479.  

WWIII starts today.
"WW" means world war. There are still the big players missing to make it a world war. Let's hope they continue to rate risks greater than opportunities. But Russia... A regional power, not a threat (Obama).

Muslim autocrats from Israel's neighbouring countries fear nothing more than pressure from their citizens. The fanatical masses eventually will force them to openly attack the evil Israel to stay in power. That would jeopardize their successful business model. Why can't Benji just resign and a pacifist, left-wing successor returns to appeasement? That would be the best policy for the Middle East, right? Or would it just further deepen the conflict and gather more firewood for a regional war? Opinions differ on this.

Did Hamas leaders realize at the outset how unprepared Oct 7th caught Israel? Unknown. The planners in Tehran and possibly also in Moscow were probably well aware of Israel's strength (or negligence) and border regime with Gaza. The effect of Oct 7th must have been clear to them in advance. Some will also suspect Benji of having known it beforehand.
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Message 2134493 - Posted: 2 Apr 2024, 19:47:08 UTC - in response to Message 2134482.  

One wonders how mad the nuclear capable mullahs in Iran will be. If that is their choice it will be felt world wide on Geiger counters at least and likely we will find out that there is no such thing as a limited nuclear war. With pootin's mouth flapping he may be salivating for it.
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Message 2134821 - Posted: 13 Apr 2024, 22:39:06 UTC
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It has started.
Next move crazy hot head Benji.
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Message 2134822 - Posted: 13 Apr 2024, 23:15:38 UTC - in response to Message 2134821.  

It has started.
Next move crazy hot head Benji.
They wanted war and that's why they started the war. Not today, not on October 7th, but a long time ago.
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Message 2134842 - Posted: 15 Apr 2024, 0:18:27 UTC
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..., but I did not visit you for weeks, or perhaps days.

Or still bad habits for only circumvention instead, so next I gave the Israeli government 99% support.

It could still be a tit-tat, but also such for a meaning because wars could be such a thing.

Here the Israelis could be still Arabs but not any need of conquering territory when already own.

Or that for still only owned by the Arabs, so next excuse me, but next also bad for a start.
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Message 2134844 - Posted: 15 Apr 2024, 2:46:36 UTC
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Iran has very directly 'thrown down the gauntlet'.

To the entire Western World, and fundamentally against the entirety of Democracy.

What next?


Or do all Democracies roll over and die in Appeasement?


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All in our deadly Tribal world?...
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Message 2134851 - Posted: 15 Apr 2024, 7:50:51 UTC - in response to Message 2134844.  

Or do all Democracies roll over and die in Appeasement?
The U.S, Britain and France are no longer willing to fight all the small dirty wars at their periphery; the struggles for influence and domination. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (occupation to establish democracy) demonstrated that the old strategies of the 20th century aren't feasible anymore. There is no point in winning such wars. The Western Democracies became so powerful during the 20th century, especcially since 1990 that they choose money (common wealth for all within their economic sphere) as their preferred weapon and means of persuasion. This saves the lives of thousands of innocents. But it doesn't work against ideologic, evil autocrats like Putin, Kim, the Mullahs who are still trapped in their Middle Ages.

All in our deadly political world against the charlatans screaming in the name of Allah...
Not to forget that when it comes to "Allah", resp. the successors to Prophet Mohammed, there has been an extremely decisive contrast between the Mullahs and 90% of the rest of the Muslims worldwide for around 1,000 years. That's why Jordan and Saudi Arabia shot down Iranian drones and missiles in their airspace over the weekend. It's the Mullahs, not Muslims fueling this conflict.
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Message 2134900 - Posted: 17 Apr 2024, 12:57:45 UTC
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My advice to Israel is not kicking back right now because it only would lead to a regional war.

Either I know it was rockets fired for not any misfired but next it was hit in the air.

Just better putting up a defence stance and here as high as possible and let the other part escalate first, because war could be still inevitable for a result.
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Message 2134929 - Posted: 18 Apr 2024, 9:39:24 UTC
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The same advice was given by the British and German Foreign ministers yesterday who together visited Israel's PM. Netanyahu said after meeting them: Thanks for your recommendations, but we make our own decisions.

I read an analogy somewhere: Imagine, someone shoots at you with a gun at close range. Through lucky circumstances and very good training, you somehow manage to avoid all the shots. Just a single bullet grazes you lightly. So you repelled the attack successfully, right? What then? What is the correct reaction in this situation? Just keep quiet and wait? Keep training your reflexes so that you can successfully dodge even more incoming bullets next time?
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Message 2134936 - Posted: 18 Apr 2024, 15:05:05 UTC - in response to Message 2134929.  

Keep training your reflexes so that you can successfully dodge even more incoming bullets next time?
Ah, you presuppose there will be a next time. Perhaps you should look at yourself and see why you are such a strong magnet.
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Message 2134945 - Posted: 18 Apr 2024, 23:59:19 UTC - in response to Message 2134936.  

Ah, you presuppose there will be a next time. Perhaps you should look at yourself and see why you are such a strong magnet.
Let's assume the opposite: There won't be a next time. That would mean Iron Dome, David's Sling and Arrow are a pretty stupid waste of money. I doubt it was a stupid investment, but rather one that enabled Israel to procrastinate. Of what? To fix the cause. Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad are only symptoms, but no longer contributory causes. Decades in this conflict, one of the last remaining root causes is a bunch of old, senile men in Tehran; who fear every day they will be thrown into the Orcus of history by the younger, more enlighted generations.

The "strong magnet" will persist as long as there is even one Jew remaining in the Middle East. Only freed of Jews, this magnet would disappear. It's written in the Hamas Charta or the PLO's Charta, taught by theological "authorities" of Palestinians as well as Iran. Alternatively, they could try not to throw bombs, grenades, and missiles in the direction of the "magnet". There could be peace, despite this strong magnet.
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Message 2134969 - Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 17:16:41 UTC - in response to Message 2134945.  

Ah, you presuppose there will be a next time. Perhaps you should look at yourself and see why you are such a strong magnet.
Let's assume the opposite: There won't be a next time. That would mean Iron Dome, David's Sling and Arrow are a pretty stupid waste of money. I doubt it was a stupid investment, but rather one that enabled Israel to procrastinate. Of what? To fix the cause. Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad are only symptoms, but no longer contributory causes. Decades in this conflict, one of the last remaining root causes is a bunch of old, senile men in Tehran; who fear every day they will be thrown into the Orcus of history by the younger, more enlighted generations.

The "strong magnet" will persist as long as there is even one Jew remaining in the Middle East. Only freed of Jews, this magnet would disappear. It's written in the Hamas Charta or the PLO's Charta, taught by theological "authorities" of Palestinians as well as Iran. Alternatively, they could try not to throw bombs, grenades, and missiles in the direction of the "magnet". There could be peace, despite this strong magnet.

Switch sides, use "haredim" instead of Tehran.
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Message 2135101 - Posted: 23 Apr 2024, 21:10:26 UTC

Israel will disarm, disband and end its existence because of a few ideologically blinded terrorist groups in Gaza, Beirut and Tehran or protests in New York? That will not happen.

South Vietnam collapsed because its totally corrupt ruling elites had no credibility among the people, a fact that the U.S. was never able to change. The perspective: “He [autocratic leader] may be a son of a *****, but he’s our son of a *****.” no longer worked for Vietnam. Therefore, this comparison is flawed.

What worries me more is the ideological blindness of young people at universities in the U.S. The source of this ideology should be investigated and contained as quickly as possible. Just as the MAGA movement has many Republicans redefining the truth and denying reality; This also applies to ever larger sections of liberals. It's no different for us in Europe... just a few years later.
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Message 2135109 - Posted: 24 Apr 2024, 5:41:54 UTC - in response to Message 2135101.  

South Vietnam collapsed because its totally corrupt ruling elites had no credibility among the people, a fact that the U.S. was never able to change.
Not sure Benji is doing all that well either.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-is-unpopular-at-home-but-not-for-the-reasons-us-lawmakers-are-turning-on-him/ wrote:
A January poll by Israel’s Channel 13 found that 55% of Israelis say Netanyahu’s decisions are driven primarily by personal interests

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/only-15-israelis-want-netanyahu-keep-job-after-gaza-war-poll-finds-2024-01-02/ wrote:
Only 15% of Israelis want Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to stay in office after the war on Hamas in Gaza ends
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Message 2135180 - Posted: 26 Apr 2024, 22:32:17 UTC

Germany needs to get over its WWII guilt trip and the U.S. is repeating it's same missteps that it did at that time as Adolf Benji's lies are falling apart while more cases of war crimes gets laid at his feet and the fallout grows around the globe.

And once he has eliminated the Palestinians and other Muslims will Christians be next on his list?

Him, his greedy government and defence slaughter force need to go.

When is enough enough?
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Message 2135212 - Posted: 27 Apr 2024, 21:02:19 UTC - in response to Message 2135180.  

Germany needs to get over its WWII guilt trip and the U.S. is repeating it's same missteps that it did at that time as Adolf Benji's lies are falling apart while more cases of war crimes gets laid at his feet and the fallout grows around the globe.
Guilt trip? Certainly not.

We learned one thing: to clearly recognize and counteract anti-Semitism as soon as and wherever it resurfaces. Never again. What can currently be observed at so-called pro-Palestine demonstrations at US universities is exactly that: open and undeniable anti-Semitism, hatred of Jews, calls for the destruction of Israel.
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