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Message 2131115 - Posted: 11 Jan 2024, 17:34:15 UTC

Fortunately, International Law does not define the rights and obligations of a terrorist organization that controls an entire region. Otherwise we would have to take a closer look to see whether Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and all those like-minded people are breaking 'International Law'. Good thing they're just ordinary terrorists.
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Message 2131116 - Posted: 11 Jan 2024, 18:00:37 UTC - in response to Message 2131023.  

That's a weird one...

A student prank gone too far?
One would intuitively assume that in a strictly religious, Orthodox community there is a seniority, that the younger ones are guided by the elderlies, even controlled and constantly forced to comply with the established rules. That such fanatical actionism arises in such an environment, especially from people who are only temporary guests in the community... That's...

Strange indeed...
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Message 2131145 - Posted: 12 Jan 2024, 4:22:36 UTC - in response to Message 2131116.  

Where did they learn these tunneling skills? Why would that have learned tunneling?
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Message 2131161 - Posted: 12 Jan 2024, 9:13:44 UTC - in response to Message 2131145.  

Where did they learn these tunneling skills? Why would that have learned tunneling?
Wherever it was, it doesn't sound like a very good course.

New York synagogue with illegal tunnel receives emergency work orders
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Message 2131298 - Posted: 15 Jan 2024, 15:51:13 UTC - in response to Message 2131294.  

If there are Aussies funding them then they should be in jail.
Like the American's who funded the Troubles.
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Message 2131381 - Posted: 17 Jan 2024, 11:35:52 UTC
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It's time to cut Benji loose to fend for himself.

Netanyahu Accused of Risking WWIII to Save His Own Skin.

.....The focal point of the confrontation emanates from Israel’s bloody and brutal campaign in Gaza; critics of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are claiming that he is prolonging the war to save his own political career.

“He is worried that if the war finishes today, streets all over the country will be full of demonstrators demanding his resignation,” Ahmed Tibi, leader of the Israeli-Arab party Ta’al, told The Daily Beast.

“Netanyahu is fighting for political survival and he is willing to pay any price in order to survive. Those that say that the excesses of the military campaign on Gaza is necessary for Israel’s security are lying,” said Tibi.

When the war in Gaza ends, Netanyahu will face court over corruption charges as well as an investigation into security failures on Oct. 7 when under his watch Hamas succeeded in infiltrating southern Israel and killing approximately 1,200 Israelis, most of them civilian. “He, together with his government, is responsible for the security failure of October 7,” Tibi said. According to foreign and Israeli media reports, the Israelis failed to take seriously warnings from Egypt and Israeli intelligence that Hamas was planning an attack.......
Yes he warned, but he let it happen just so he could have the excuse to do what he's doing now and that is to slaughter as many Palestinians as possible.
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Message 2131458 - Posted: 19 Jan 2024, 19:49:46 UTC
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All a victim of the ongoing mosaic of madness throughout the area?...


See, hear:

Why Iran could face collapse if Houthi war escalates | Chip Chapman


... All a very stark succinct summary.

So, I'll admit to being wrong about what I saw for my supposition of an 'obvious' coordination. Even so, the spreading fires of opportunistic attacks will all too easily merge into coordinated temporary alliances, to do whatever?...

All part of a new 'instability' and Axis of Evil?...


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Message 2131571 - Posted: 21 Jan 2024, 22:11:45 UTC

It's past time for Benji to go.

Netanyahu again rejects Palestinian sovereignty amid fresh US push for two-state solution.

It's time for Israel to learn a big lesson after Hamas and the current ruling far right Israeli government and their cronies are all locked up.

My lesson would be for the Golan Heights to be fully returned to Syria and Palestine can't exist in 2 separate parts so a line should be drawn from the northern end of Gaza to the southern end of the West Bank so that everything south of those lines becomes Palestine.

The new Palestinian government is to be run under U.N. oversight for a decade to be sure that terrorist elements can't cement themselves back into the new government while the U.N. also takes up security responsibility during that time before handing it over to Palestine.

The Israeli's can have what's left so that they can reflect on their own greedy stupidity in persisting in electing greedy and corrupt far right fascist governments (and with less land to protect they should be safer).

I reckon that a large majority of the world would go along with that solution to bring lasting peace to the region.
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Message 2131577 - Posted: 21 Jan 2024, 23:41:33 UTC - in response to Message 2131571.  
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So... You are rewarding unprovoked aggression?

By your same logic, we must also give Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, and Ukraine, all unconditionally to Putin and say 'sorry' to Him?... (Totally unconditionally being as his words are totally untrustworthy. )


Note instead that we have the Politics of Today.

Anyone can choose any arbitrary date in whatever imagined history. Doing so always causes yet more war...


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Message 2131580 - Posted: 22 Jan 2024, 0:25:55 UTC

So... You are rewarding unprovoked aggression?
It was far from being "unprovoked", what do you think this thread was 1st about? The far right fascist Israeli government has been provoking them for many decades, but many western governments have turned a blind eye to all that and Benji has been playing and relying on that "blind eye" attitude to coverup for his decades of genocidal criminal acts.

And now he's willing to start WWIII to complete that genocide.
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Message 2131582 - Posted: 22 Jan 2024, 0:41:45 UTC - in response to Message 2131580.  

The only attempted genocides in this context are that of the Nazi Holocaust, and the Proclamations by Iran and the Iranian proxies.

Two of those proxies are Hamas, and Hezbollah...


In all cases, it is the people of a particularly old faith that are repeatedly the scapegoats (modern day meaning!) and the victims...


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Message 2131583 - Posted: 22 Jan 2024, 0:48:05 UTC - in response to Message 2131582.  
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Also note that those young people partying at a music festival had nothing to do with whatever politics... They were not even born at the time the lame excuses supposedly apply. At yet they suffered a grisly genocide of all the fun loving party people at that festival.

Too fun loving and happy with life for their attackers to allow to live?


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Message 2131585 - Posted: 22 Jan 2024, 1:07:39 UTC - in response to Message 2131571.  

For there to be a two-state solution it would have to be accepted by both sides. And has been attempted many times. But as of 2021 the Palestinians have always rejected the idea, mainly because they refuse to accept the existence of an Israeli state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

Probably the only solution would be a three-state solution. With the West Bank becoming part of Jordan and Gaza part of Egypt. But the best of luck with that idea, as both Jordan and Egypt don't want the Palestinian refugees.
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Message 2131661 - Posted: 23 Jan 2024, 20:27:16 UTC
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The calls grow louder at home for crooked, thieving and murderous wannabe dictator Benji to go.

Rifts within Israel resurface as war in Gaza drags on. Some want elections now.

I wonder how he's been sleeping of late with all that noise going on outside his home day and night.
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Message 2131781 - Posted: 25 Jan 2024, 17:18:22 UTC - in response to Message 2131585.  

For there to be a two-state solution it would have to be accepted by both sides. And has been attempted many times. But as of 2021 the Palestinians have always rejected the idea, mainly because they refuse to accept the existence of an Israeli state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

Probably the only solution would be a three-state solution. With the West Bank becoming part of Jordan and Gaza part of Egypt. But the best of luck with that idea, as both Jordan and Egypt don't want the Palestinian refugees.
This was the British's original idea of partition. An Arab state East of the Jordan: "Transjordan"; a Jewish state west of the Jordan: Cisjordan. The whole Gaza strip had only ~200K Arab inhabitants back then. Both states would have had significant populations of Arabs and Jews: a majority of Jews in Cisjordan, and a vast Arab majority in Transjordan. A century of wars, conflicts and expulsions (of Jews and Arabs), plus recent decades of Islamist indoctrination have probably blocked such a "three-state-solution" forever. It is fatal, as W-K 666 mentioned, that Jordan and Egypt today exclude Palestinians as if they are infected by some deadly virus. Islamist ideology is a deadly "virus" but which proportion of Palestinians are truly "infected"? Which Palestinian organizations still fight for the pan-Arab caliphate, a theocracy? Surely Hamas, i.e. the Muslim Brotherhood... But would the PLO resp. Mahmoud Abbas organization still endanger Arab states as they did in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon decades ago? All Arab (autocratic) leaders still think its the best decision to lock Palestinians out (except their corrupt, rich leaders who are welcome, e.g. in Qatar), than to trust their (religious? or political?) beliefs.

True, any progress requires Israel and Palestinians to accept the existence of each other's nation-state first... and keep the peace. That's the ultimate criterion: a lasting peaceful coexistence. Imagine that decades ago the Palestinians had adopted the non-violent methods of Gandhi who ended British rule in India. Israel would not be able to justify the occupation of the West Bank today. How can the hatred on both sides be suppressed? Perhaps this would require some decades of occupation (reeducation?) of the Palestinian territories (yes, Benji must go first...) by a responsible, neutral power (not naive, powerless ones like the UN or NGOs). But who could there be to bear such a responsibility?
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Message 2131860 - Posted: 30 Jan 2024, 17:28:25 UTC

Israel's far right moronic mob is already planning new settlements on Palestinian land. :-(

A “repulsive” new plan from some of Israel’s most powerful people has been revealed amid festival-like scenes. And it has not gone down well with some.

Wild scenes have played out in Israel where an impassioned audience of thousands heard plans to rebuild Jewish Israeli settlements in the heart of the Gaza Strip and a push for the “voluntary migration” of the Palestinian population elsewhere.

The festival-like event — called the “Victory of Israel Conference: Settlement Brings Security” — was attended by 11 government ministers and 15 coalition politicians on Sunday.

According to the Times of Israel National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir, leader of the extreme-right Otzma Yehudit party, told Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who was not there, and the audience that it was “time to return home to Gush Katif” — which is the name of the Israeli settlement bloc in Gaza that was evacuated in 2005 after a 38-year occupation......
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Message 2131914 - Posted: 31 Jan 2024, 19:35:42 UTC

What is the biblical story of 'Amalek'? And why is it being used in South Africa's ICJ case against Israel?

Amalek. It's a biblical tale of destruction that has been invoked by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and featured in a drill hip hop song that's garnered millions of streams.

Most recently though, the story of Amalek — and Mr Netanyahu's invocation of it — featured in South Africa's case against Israel at the United Nations' International Court of Justice (ICJ).

South Africa has accused Israel of committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza. It's an accusation Israel vehemently rejects.

On Friday, ICJ President Joan Donoghue delivered the interim judgement, calling the humanitarian situation in Gaza "catastrophic" and imposing several conditions on Israel. While the court said that some of South Africa's assertions were plausible, it stopped short of ordering a ceasefire.

So, what is the ancient story of Amalek? How does it relate to the current conflict? And why is it a key part of this ongoing international court case?........
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Message 2132153 - Posted: 5 Feb 2024, 20:57:23 UTC

The word, "antisemitism", now needs to be banned as its meaning is being constantly abused by Benji and his criminal government.

US sanctions on Israeli settlers have sparked accusations of antisemitism — and cracked open a long-running international debate.

It's about time for sanctions against Israel that are similar to those imposed on PooTin and his murderous mob to be executed.
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Message 2132381 - Posted: 10 Feb 2024, 8:03:45 UTC

And where will they go now?

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu tells army to prepare to evacuate Rafah before invasion to destroy Hamas.

Instead of giving Benji and his crooked mob 1000lb bombs to drop on innocents it's about time to drop 1 on him and his band of imitation Nazis.
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