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Message 2129927 - Posted: 16 Dec 2023, 20:56:15 UTC - in response to Message 2129925.  
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... This blatant slaughter and unhoming of innocents must be stopped...

Should it not be that the blatant use of "Human Expendables" by Hamas must be stopped?...


There is always more than one side to a war.

And the Hamas rampage against Israel is still blood curdling chilling despicable and grotesque. There was nasty harm and suffering and cruel torture inflicted for the sake of creating the maximum of atrocity and hate.


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Message 2129930 - Posted: 16 Dec 2023, 21:57:38 UTC

Martin the only way to get rid of organisations like Hamas and others like them is to get rid of the far right Zionists that breed them and underhandedly support them so that there's always a reason to retaliate.

How would you like it if you lived your whole life with no legal protections at all, where even your own property can be taken away or destroyed at a whim by others that just think that you're nothing but an animal and you can even be arrested and thrown into jail for decades without a trail or lawyer based on those same whims without any actual evidence to support those whims?

And have you ever seen those far right religious Zionist parades where as they parade along they split on Christians, Muslims and anyone else who isn't a Zionist along their way to their destination as well as on their properties and especially on their places of worship?

I'm sorry Martin, but any Palestinian is a "Human Expendable" to Benji and his far right Zionist mob and always will be until there are no Palestinians (aka: "Human Expendables") left in Gaza and the West Bank.
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Message 2129932 - Posted: 16 Dec 2023, 22:08:12 UTC - in response to Message 2129930.  
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That is far from the full story. As was witnessed in 2007...


Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah, need a forever conflict so as to keep their gangsters in gangster riches and power.

Hence how all the peace initiatives of the previous decades have all been blown up by them.


How do we chop off the malevolent heads in Iran and Russia who are pushing the puppets in Hamas and elsewhere?...

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Message 2129936 - Posted: 17 Dec 2023, 1:04:14 UTC

The truth came out. No shirt to show no weapons or suicide belt, hands up in surrender, speaking Hebrew, waving a white flag too. I'm terrified by them at 30 meters in a fortified position, I must kill, that is the order. Benji's orders are exactly what his propaganda says, eliminate ALL in Gaza (they are all Hamas after all). The BS talking out of both sides of the mouth about rules, is just that; lip service. Benji, every member of the Knesset and every commanding officer in the IDF needs a quick trip to Nuremberg; a day in the dock and then a rope around the neck.

Has Benji given Hamas that much power over Israel? Has he made all of Israel that frightened? If he wasn't killing innocents a trip to the insane asylum might be in order. (I seem to remember Heinlein writing about hysteria inducing machines - it wasn't X but that seems to be it now)
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Message 2129937 - Posted: 17 Dec 2023, 1:29:28 UTC

To Benji and his far right Zionist mob those hostages are just "Human Expendables" to them as well and even if his mob kills them all he'll just blame Hamas anyway and as you know all Palestinians are Hamas and are also "Human Expendables".

It's about time that Benji and his mob became "Human Expendables" instead as they're nothing but greedy trouble makers.
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Message 2129960 - Posted: 17 Dec 2023, 20:01:15 UTC
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Things are only going to get worse while Benji and his far right clowns stay there course.

‘That’s true’: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ‘proud’ that he stymied two-state solution.

As yet another country condemns Benji's government as the wholesale slaughter continues.

Israel-Gaza: WHO calls Al-Shifa hospital a 'bloodbath' as France condemns Israel for Rafah strike.

While the fallout of Benji's policies affect shipping.

UK and US shoot down more Houthi drones in the Red Sea as shipping companies pause operations.

And we're getting dragged into that.

Australia dragged into dangerous game in Middle East.

But he doesn't want to be your partner unless you take part in the slaughter.

Senate Democrat says Netanyahu ‘has been a exceptionally difficult partner’.

The U.S. has been well known to topple foreign governments before and Benji's is 1 that certainly needs to be toppled now before the problem gets far worse.
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Message 2129964 - Posted: 17 Dec 2023, 22:30:49 UTC
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Meanwhile, where did all that international aid to the Palestinians really go to?...

Inside the Hamas tunnel network
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What strikes you first about the tunnel is its size. Jutting out from the desert sand at a gradient of about 25 degrees, the rusty tubular steel opening is just big enough to drive a car through.

That is far from an accident. Hamas, as it proved on Oct 7, is a mobile terror group and this vast tunnel network, running 50m deep in places and emerging just shy of the Erez Crossing at Gaza’s northern tip, is believed to have been designed for a wider invasion of Israel...

... It documents the building of the labyrinth and includes a clip of Sinwar junior being driven around it in a small 4x4...

... “Religiously extreme, a believer, one who is at peace with his words and his deeds… a psychopath”...

... Along the walls on either side, cables are slung for communications, lighting and power just like in the London Underground. Deeper down, from about the point at which it starts to become harder to breathe, a plastic drainage pipe runs along the ceiling to provide ventilation...

... further in there are subsidiary tunnels running left and right, says the IDF. Off these there are various rooms for storage, command and control and accommodation. Many of the entrances are protected by hefty steel blast doors...

... “We found a large number of weapons inside the tunnel in depots ready to be used. It’s all around the tunnel.”...

... After her release at the end of October, 85-year-old Yocheved Lifshitz recounted being taken by her captors into a network of tunnels. “We went underground and walked for kilometres in wet tunnels, for two or three hours, in a spider’s web of tunnels,” she told journalists.

“We went through the tunnels until we reached a large hall. We were 25 people, and they separated us according to which kibbutz we were from.”....




How do you pander to that?

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Message 2129982 - Posted: 18 Dec 2023, 0:42:55 UTC

Is it tunnel network or bomb shelter?
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Message 2129986 - Posted: 18 Dec 2023, 1:02:41 UTC - in response to Message 2129982.  

Is it tunnel network or bomb shelter?

Really??...

What "bomb shelters" are many kilometers long and branch off like a spider's web?...

... And are the exact size to drive small vehicles through?...

... And note that some lead outwards towards Israel and Egypt...


Regardless, that's an awful lot of expense underground for a supposedly impoverished area dependent on UN aid...

How far is the Arab controlled UN behind all this?...


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Message 2129990 - Posted: 18 Dec 2023, 6:24:38 UTC - in response to Message 2129986.  

Is it tunnel network or bomb shelter?

Really??...

What "bomb shelters" are many kilometers long and branch off like a spider's web?...

... And are the exact size to drive small vehicles through?...
London underground WWII?
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Message 2130000 - Posted: 18 Dec 2023, 10:02:48 UTC - in response to Message 2129990.  

London underground WWII?
Not really a fair comparison. That was a pre-existing network, designed and built for public transport, and it continued to fulfill that primary purpose throughout the war, alongside its wartime function as a shelter network.

Sure, many changes were made to enhance the shelter role: old abandoned tunnels were brought back into use; newly-constructed tunnels and stations were opened as shelters before a single train had used them; and some special, secret, resources were used by the government of the day to protect their staff and communications. But the shelters were publicly advertised and available for the civilian population to use.

Sometimes with disastrous consequences: read what happens during the fog of war.

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Message 2130003 - Posted: 18 Dec 2023, 15:21:21 UTC - in response to Message 2130000.  

Just how many decades has Gaza been bombed by Israel? Might not have been at the intensity of today. Do you not think that bomb shelters would be prudent?
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Message 2130004 - Posted: 18 Dec 2023, 15:32:56 UTC - in response to Message 2130003.  

Just how many decades has Gaza been bombed by Israel? Might not have been at the intensity of today. Do you not think that bomb shelters would be prudent?
As mitigation, yes.
As a permanent solution, no.
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Message 2130005 - Posted: 18 Dec 2023, 15:59:31 UTC

The Gaza tunnels, built with materials we provided, are bomb shelters, but only for the Hamas leadership and some of its fighters.
They don't give a damn about the Palestinians, as demonstrated by digging up the water pipes, which we again paid for, to make rockets to fire into Israel.
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Message 2130009 - Posted: 18 Dec 2023, 18:18:01 UTC
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Really? Is this the description of merely a bomb shelter?...


Inside the Hamas tunnel network
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... What strikes you first about the tunnel is its size. Jutting out from the desert sand at a gradient of about 25 degrees, the rusty tubular steel opening is just big enough to drive a car through.

That is far from an accident. Hamas, as it proved on Oct 7, is a mobile terror group ... [with the tunnel] emerging just shy of the Erez Crossing...

... The Erez tunnel network is about four kilometres in length...

... At the entrance to the tunnel, we step over two, metre-square shafts that plummet vertically down. Steel ladders are pinned to the wall of each but you can’t see the bottom ... the shafts were designed to collect sand that would otherwise fall inwards and block the main passage when the tunnel’s entrance was opened from within as part of a surprise attack. “We see the same in other attack tunnels,”...


That describes something more akin to the lair of a trapdoor spider that leaps out of the ground to grab passing prey.

Stay safe?...
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Message 2130011 - Posted: 18 Dec 2023, 18:24:15 UTC

The hostages that Hamas have grabbed:


Hamas hostages: Stories of the people taken from Israel
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... An estimated 240 people were taken prisoner by Hamas on 7 October...

... These are the stories of hostages still being being held...



Very human victims who are now pawns in the games between Hamas and the rest of the world.


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Message 2130021 - Posted: 18 Dec 2023, 18:59:50 UTC

And what about all the hundreds Palestinians hostages being held in military prisons for little to no reason?

It takes 2 to tango and whether you like it or not Benji is leading this dance and always has.
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Message 2130027 - Posted: 18 Dec 2023, 19:55:14 UTC
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For a very deadpan military summary of the status on the ground and the state of the politics, hear:


Israel utilising AI warfare to ensure ‘precision strikes’ on Hamas targets | Maj. Gen. Chip Chapman



An all too real very hard deadpan summary.

How do we untangle that when all players are fighting for their very existence?...


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Message 2130032 - Posted: 18 Dec 2023, 20:25:32 UTC - in response to Message 2129930.  
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Martin the only way to get rid of organisations like Hamas and others like them is to get rid of the far right Zionists that breed them and underhandedly support them so that there's always a reason to retaliate.
The Jews, the Zionists have only themselves to blame. This accusation is centuries old. Why did Zionism arise in the 19th century? Because of regular pogroms in Europe AND the Middle East. Déjà-vu?

How would you like it if you lived your whole life with no legal protections at all, where even your own property can be taken away or destroyed at a whim by others that just think that you're nothing but an animal and you can even be arrested and thrown into jail for decades without a trail or lawyer based on those same whims without any actual evidence to support those whims?
That also summarizes Hamas rule over Palestinians in Gaza quite well.

I'm sorry Martin, but any Palestinian is a "Human Expendable" to Benji and his far right Zionist mob and always will be until there are no Palestinians (aka: "Human Expendables") left in Gaza and the West Bank.
They are expendables to the Hamas leaders. One of them explained Hamas "policy" in a TV interview. Just listen to these terrorists. They publicly anounced their plans. No Palestinians in Gaza---a dystopy. I can assure you, as long as Western aid money is paid in the billions, they will multiply splendidly, as they have in recent decades, as have the Orthodox Jews in the West Bank.
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Message 2130035 - Posted: 18 Dec 2023, 21:01:30 UTC - in response to Message 2129936.  
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[...] Benji, every member of the Knesset and every commanding officer in the IDF needs a quick trip to Nuremberg; a day in the dock and then a rope around the neck.
... every member of Knesset... a quick death sentence... Sorry. I'm out of words.

There's a war going on. I didn't know Israel started it. In each war many innocents die. Afghan women an children were accidently killed by Americans, by British soldiers, by a German commander too. No different in Iraq. Because terrorists also disguised themselves with burqas or attacked from within groups of civilians. Was the death of civilians in Afghanistan, or in Iraq preventable? Sure, but at what risk? Fatal decisions are made in every battle. It's better not to start a war in the first place. Who is to be condemned? The frontline soldier who daily risks his life? Their commanders? Here it's Hamas and their disregard for international martial law. Israel learns from fatal mistakes, it always did. I can't see such learning process among Palestinians.
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