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Message 2129539 - Posted: 7 Dec 2023, 2:03:22 UTC - in response to Message 2129527.  

Gaza is nothing more than a modern concentration camp being used to eliminate innocent Palestinians.
Sabra and Shatila. Gaza. West Bank. Killing fields.
Maybe Benji hasn't built a crematoria, but that does not change what he is doing. Maybe the Palestinian's don't do as told and march into a gas chamber, but that doesn't change what he is doing telling them to march to a "safe" spot so he can more efficiently do the final solution. Maybe he hasn't learned how to boost his numbers yet, but he will.

He is doing death on a wholesale basis while trying desperately to claim otherwise.
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Message 2129549 - Posted: 7 Dec 2023, 12:32:44 UTC

Benji has failed politically. He has to go... after the war. The accusations of genocide do not become true from repeating. Israel's intention is not to massacre all Palestinians, but to destroy Hamas as an organization. Attacks on military infrastructure are announced. The military/civilian distinction was blurred by Hamas, not Israel. The IDF divided the Gaza Strip into a hundred small sectors, where the civilian population is selectively warned about military actions. A US official has said in recent days that Israel is doing more to protect civilians in this urban warfare than the US military ever did in Iraq (e.g. Fallujah, Mosul). The portrayal that the Gaza Strip is being destroyed across the board; that the population is being slaughtered is false. This is what Assad and Putin did in Homs and Aleppo. No one protested against it. The number of victims in Gaza, also reported by the UN and spread in western media, has a single source: Hamas. An analysis of the daily updates shows: Fake. Israels attacks are selective, targeting individual objects in specific neighborhoods. After weeks, this leads to extensive destruction, many dead Hamas fighters and even more dead civilians.

This war is horror, thousands of civilians are suffering and dying. Nevertheless, a military operation on this scale was made unavoidable by Hamas' act of war. No country on earth would rest until such an aggressor was completely destroyed. This could have been averted before Oct 7th. The West, the UN and the Arab states also bear a great deal of responsibility for this. They created the necessary environment in Gaza that fed, supplied, financed, covered and supported Hamas.

Gaza: a concentration camp? Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and forcibly removed all Jewish settlers from there. A sovereign state has the right to close its border to a destructive, aggressive neighbor. Finland is doing this right now. Palestinians are not imprisoned in Gaza, but locked out of Israel. Ohh, and locked out of Egypt, out of Jordan. Why? Because they are fighting for Islamist Revolution everywhere they are; endangered these states in the past. Egypt and Jordan have no desire to become Lebanon 2.0. Gaza's sea and air borders are blocked by Israel to stop smuggling of war weapons, clearly inadequate. If Gazans want to remove the fences of their "concentration camp" they must first change. They must want peace with Israel.
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Message 2129563 - Posted: 7 Dec 2023, 21:16:17 UTC

The concentration camp gets smaller. :-(

Tiny coastal town, half the size of Sydney’s airport, is now the last ‘safe place’ in Gaza for 1.9 million refugees.

As Israel continues to target reporters so that the real truth doesn't get out.

Israeli strike on journalists in Lebanon warrants ‘war crime’ probe: watchdogs.

And how many hostages has Israel killed with their indiscriminate bombing and how many will this plan kill?

Will Israel Flood Gaza Tunnels To Force Out Hamas? What We Know.

While Joe needs to work a bit harder and get a bit tougher with Benji he is starting to move in the right direction.

Biden's Israel-Gaza Move Is Winning Back Democrats.

Biden's Plan for Gaza Wins Palestinian Backing.

Mind you the Israelis require much better people leading their country than this murderous moronic monster and his mob of crooks.

Netanyahu Should Quit. The U.S. Can Help With That.

Morally decent people are needed that will find a common course towards peace, not fools that just want to keep on fueling the fire.
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Message 2129567 - Posted: 7 Dec 2023, 22:28:45 UTC - in response to Message 2129549.  

Israel's intention is not to massacre all Palestinians, but to destroy Hamas as an organization.
Since Israel, well Benji at least, believes all Palestinians are Hamas ...
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Message 2129569 - Posted: 7 Dec 2023, 22:42:28 UTC - in response to Message 2129567.  

Israel's intention is not to massacre all Palestinians, but to destroy Hamas as an organization.
Since Israel, well Benji at least, believes all Palestinians are Hamas ...
Exactly.
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Message 2129577 - Posted: 8 Dec 2023, 8:48:40 UTC - in response to Message 2129567.  
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Israel's intention is not to massacre all Palestinians, but to destroy Hamas as an organization.
Since Israel, well Benji at least, believes all Palestinians are Hamas ...
... which is just as wrong as the opinion that all Palestinians are innocent victims. It wasn't just Hamas batallions who committed the worst acts of violence and murder on October 7th. There was a large mob of thousands of adventurous men, civilians, who plundered, murdered, tortured, who later beat captured hostages in Gaza. Benji's opinion is based on his personal, decades long experience with such Palestinian terror. His opinion is wrong. But I can understand how such opinions develop. Conversely, the Palestinians' opinion of all West Bank settlers is understandable too.

What gives hope is that in the last few days some voices surfaced from the Gaza Strip that expressed dissatisfaction with Hamas. Resentment over their unlimited power to rob massive amounts of food and aid supplies by force of arms, keeping the civilians at bay with their guns. Maybe most of the younger ones are brainwashed. But the older ones will also remember times before Hamas. As far as I know, family and the opinions of elders count a lot in Arab societies. This gives hope for a more moderate government in Gaza in the future. The PLO has (unfortunately?) lost its reputation there.
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Message 2129580 - Posted: 8 Dec 2023, 13:38:17 UTC - in response to Message 2129577.  
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Benji's opinion is based on his personal, decades long experience with such Palestinian terror. His opinion is wrong.
His opinion is the orders to the IDF.

The PLO has (unfortunately?) lost its reputation there.
Because they were ineffective in preventing Israel from "their unlimited power to rob massive amounts of food and aid supplies by force of arms, keeping the civilians at bay with their guns."

<edit>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67659296
Asked about the video, a spokesman for the Israeli government told the BBC the men detained were all of military age and had been "discovered in areas that civilians were supposed to have evacuated weeks ago".

Looks like the IDF has been told are all Hamas.
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Message 2129586 - Posted: 8 Dec 2023, 19:15:22 UTC - in response to Message 2129580.  

Benji's opinion is based on his personal, decades long experience with such Palestinian terror. His opinion is wrong.
His opinion is the orders to the IDF.
IDF apparently detains surrendering fighters and did not slaughter or torture them like Hamas did. It's not the task of frontline soldiers to identify terrorists, partisans or irregular combatants. There are intelligence folks to handle POWs, independent of Benji's opinion.

The PLO has (unfortunately?) lost its reputation there.
Because they were ineffective in preventing Israel from "their unlimited power to rob massive amounts of food and aid supplies by force of arms, keeping the civilians at bay with their guns."
Kudos for turning my own words into an opposite argument. Chapeau! But I think it's because of PLO's widespread corruption, lazyness and ineffective administration as long as they "ruled" the civil government of Gaza. They also never gained the power to stop the other terrorist groups' aggression against Israel. They were as powerless in Gaza as the Lebanese government today is compared to Hezbollah. Hamas also achieved to convince the majority of Gazans that PLO cooperates with Israel. So they are all traitors.

Looks like the IDF has been told are all Hamas.
There's a war going on. Israel declares small-scale sectors as combat zones (a map of a hundred enumerated sectors in Gaza was published) and informs Gazans in advance of the sectors. Hamas fighters wear civilian clothes when attacking the IDF (a war crime btw.). So it is a reasonable assumption that men of military age who are found in declared combat zones are indeed: combatants. They are arrested, transported into custody; their background is checked. Any professional army does the same in combat. Oh, except for Russians, they tend to shoot POWs for wrong answers.
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Message 2129605 - Posted: 9 Dec 2023, 2:06:57 UTC - in response to Message 2129586.  
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There are intelligence folks to handle POWs.
Civilians are POW's. Interesting. Sure sounds like what a power did in the mid twentieth century. Just declared them enemy.

But I think it's because of PLO's widespread corruption, lazyness and ineffective administration as long as they "ruled" the civil government of Gaza. They also never gained the power to stop the other terrorist groups' aggression against Israel.
And Israel bombing and shelling them tearing down the only civil authority played no part?

Looks like the IDF has been told are all Hamas.
There's a war going on. Israel declares small-scale sectors as combat zones (a map of a hundred enumerated sectors in Gaza was published) and informs Gazans in advance of the sectors. Hamas fighters wear civilian clothes when attacking the IDF (a war crime btw.). So it is a reasonable assumption that men of military age who are found in declared combat zones are indeed: combatants. They are arrested, transported into custody; their background is checked.
Now without power, internet, gasoline, telephone, roads just how the hell are the civilians supposed to know where these maps are, never mind the ability to move freely about to get out of the zone? The entire thing is a charade for the rest of the world.

I'm not swallowing the kool-aid. (kool-aid reference to the People's Temple in Guyana for non-English speakers)
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Message 2129608 - Posted: 9 Dec 2023, 3:35:56 UTC

This is just another clear reason why powers of veto should be abolished.

The United States has vetoed a move that would have called for an immediate ceasefire in the intense fighting between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.

All they do is silence the voice of the world and make a mockery of the orginisation called the "United Nations".
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Message 2129619 - Posted: 9 Dec 2023, 16:35:56 UTC

Kool-Aid
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/08/us-police-agencies-idf-files-blueleaks
Hacked police files show US law enforcement agencies for decades received analysis of incidents in the Israel-Palestine conflict directly from the Israeli Defense Forces and Israeli thinktanks, training on domestic “Muslim extremists” from pro-Israel non-profits, and surveilled social media accounts of pro-Palestine activists in the US.
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Message 2129666 - Posted: 10 Dec 2023, 10:26:14 UTC - in response to Message 2129608.  
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Perhaps a bit wrong in my opinion, because Palestinian aggression is a limit without any border.

But also a stuck mind on that of the Israelitis, for not recognizing that anything could have changed since the last war, or 78 years in between.

So living in the past, for nothing changing, and that is what the Israelitis could do.

Suffering because of poverty is wrong, and also lack of food in the same way and I feel compassion there.

Please stop the Intifadah, or aggression against Israel, because it leads no way.

Chicken could be still that of food for not any pork instead, but next the Israelitis choose to castrate their own people, which is wrong.

Respect a country for its independence and here given by the United Nations when the Palestinians could be still refugees.

Or perhaps you could move 100-300 miles into Jordan for settling down on a safe place or perhaps ground.
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Message 2129667 - Posted: 10 Dec 2023, 10:37:31 UTC
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Get rid of the habits as previously mentioned, but the Israelitis or Israel has a right to self-defence.

So next poverty an excuse for the Intifadah, and next only occupation instead.

To me it looks like a religious war or campaign when still not any visible on the surface.

The problem is that when still a two-state solution, only that the Palestinians could be asking for more.

For that it becomes martyrs when that of poverty for only an excuse.

Punishment is what it is valid for and next I could be a victim myself when still a winner at the other end.

Therefore always one being right for his judgement when the other could be wrong.

Or maybe still only winners versus losers perhaps.
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Message 2129669 - Posted: 10 Dec 2023, 10:56:14 UTC

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

I hate it when still displaced, but here 6 million Jews.

Remember, Netanyahu is still a politician for not any military man, and therefore not any of these for any crooked.

More that another politician could warn us about the military complex, and here Dwight D. Eisenhower.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

Just a bad example and not really what I want.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre

And here just premeditated, for not any excuse at all.
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Message 2129673 - Posted: 10 Dec 2023, 13:47:24 UTC - in response to Message 2129666.  
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... So living in the past, for nothing changing...

Very much so. Sadly so.

This is where we need to break out of the forever war of an Eye-for-an-eye perpetual repeated vengeance...


So... How do we turn the politics around to friendly mutually beneficial cooperation?...

Also, somehow, we need to defend against, or remove, the desperately deadly malevolence that are Khamenei and Putin who both poison the politics in that area...

And then how to rehabilitate the ongoing deadly mess they have made?...


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Message 2129681 - Posted: 10 Dec 2023, 19:40:32 UTC

More proof that Benji is no better than PooTin, but both are a lot alike.

Israelis aren't seeing the devastating pictures Australians see from the war in Gaza. They're watching a sanitised war.

And those tank shells should've went straight to the Ukraine instead of Israel.

Blinken defends bypassing Congress to sell weapons to Israel and presses lawmakers to help Ukraine.

It just makes the U.S. more complaisant in Benji/Israeli war crimes.
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Message 2129690 - Posted: 11 Dec 2023, 4:24:19 UTC - in response to Message 2129681.  

And those tank shells should've went straight to the Ukraine instead of Israel.

Blinken defends bypassing Congress to sell weapons to Israel and presses lawmakers to help Ukraine.

It just makes the U.S. more complaisant in Benji/Israeli war crimes.


Israel is a wealthy nuclear-armed state fighting a bunch of terrorists who need to make rocket launchers out of water pipes... they have next to zero chance of losing.

Ukraine is fighting a nuclear-armed state with 3x their population and the only reason that they don't have nuclear weapons to defend themselves (which would have kept Putin from even considering an invasion) is that they gave them up in exchange for US and Russian guarantees. One has so far proven to be worthless. I hope the other one does not. Someone should remind the historically-ignorant bozos in the GOP Congress of this, but I'm sure they'd just ignore it.
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Message 2129691 - Posted: 11 Dec 2023, 5:30:30 UTC
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I meant Israel, not any Jews.

But also a bit sad when on the home front when it could be Biden versus Trump and next forgetting about any wars.

More about conflicts and wars in the past, because here the United States became the savior of Europe when also attacked by Japan.

For the latter one it was a declared war, but not the first one, except that it may have been a ship sunk, but here during World War I.

Perhaps it was some Americans living in Europe for not having emigrated, but at least they became involved also here.

So here for not for the ship I would rather know the declaration of war against Nazi-Germany, if any such exists.
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Message 2129692 - Posted: 11 Dec 2023, 5:38:34 UTC - in response to Message 2129690.  

Someone should remind the historically-ignorant bozos in the GOP Congress of this, but I'm sure they'd just ignore it.
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Message 2129749 - Posted: 12 Dec 2023, 15:47:13 UTC - in response to Message 2129690.  

Ukraine is fighting a nuclear-armed state with 3x their population and the only reason that they don't have nuclear weapons to defend themselves (which would have kept Putin from even considering an invasion) is that they gave them up in exchange for US and Russian guarantees. One has so far proven to be worthless. I hope the other one does not. Someone should remind the historically-ignorant bozos in the GOP Congress of this, but I'm sure they'd just ignore it.

Don't forget the UK. Three nuclear powers signed the Budapest memorandum of 1994. France and China gave (weaker) assurances to Ukraine too. But off-topic.
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