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Message 2128003 - Posted: 5 Nov 2023, 0:19:49 UTC

Benji the terrorist is coming under ever increasing pressure to stop his war crimes.

Thousands of Israeli protesters call for Netanyahu's resignation as Arab leaders demand immediate ceasefire.

As support for Israel continues to decrease and increases for Palestinians civilians.

Massive Pro-Palestinian Protests in D.C., London, and Paris (and elsewhere).

NATO Member Joins Growing List of Countries Recalling Israel Ambassadors.

And Lebanon responds in kind.

Hezbollah Targets Israel With 'Volcano' Rockets as Tensions Soar.

While Benji and his terrorist government act like Hitler and his SS things will only get worse and most people are getting absolutely sick of decades of this country's genocidal ways.

There's also many hints coming out that a multitude of war crimes cases against Benji are being setup so he'll not only have legal troubles at home to face to try and get out of.
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Message 2128006 - Posted: 5 Nov 2023, 0:25:29 UTC - in response to Message 2128003.  

Benji the terrorist is coming under ever increasing pressure to stop his war crimes.

Every time that happens https://www.aol.com/news/israeli-rescuers-release-aftermath-video-162215880.html
Israeli rescuers release aftermath video
Just to whip up passions again. Pretty obvious if you have to do that his own people don't have the stomach for Benji's antics.
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Message 2128019 - Posted: 5 Nov 2023, 5:58:13 UTC

2 trouble making bozos turn up in Israel.

Scott Morrison has made a surprise trip to Israel with former UK prime minister Boris Johnson.

Those pair are likely to cause even more problems.
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Message 2128032 - Posted: 5 Nov 2023, 19:24:42 UTC

One of the reasons I struggle to support Palestinians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9bFKyr6j9k
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Message 2128034 - Posted: 5 Nov 2023, 19:43:05 UTC - in response to Message 2128032.  

One of the reasons I struggle to support Palestinians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9bFKyr6j9k
Don't get Hamas confused with innocent Palestinians.

Hamas and the Israeli government are both terrorist organisations that need to be eliminated.
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Message 2128035 - Posted: 5 Nov 2023, 19:49:11 UTC

And the Palestinian Authorities are holding EVERYONE, including their very own people, EVERYONE, hostage:


Rafah crossing: More than 100 Britons leave Gaza but dozens remain
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"disappointing" the Rafah crossing was closed on Saturday.

He said the government was "engaging closely" with authorities there and hoped it would reopen soon.

The Rafah crossing was opened for three days earlier this week, with dozens of Britons named as eligible to leave.

The Palestinian border authority has been issuing lists of those who can present themselves at the crossing with their passports...

... But on Saturday, hundreds with foreign passports went to the border but were not allowed to cross...

... Icel Chumlukh said his wife Lamia, his 13-year-old stepdaughter and the couple's one-year-old son had turned up at the border but were asked to leave [by the Palestinian border authority]. While his wife and son are on the list, his step-daughter is not - but his wife took her anyway, "hoping for a miracle". ...



Hamas playing the 'game' of the atrocity of Human Expendables?...

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Message 2128037 - Posted: 5 Nov 2023, 19:54:19 UTC

Hamas playing the 'game' of the atrocity of Human Expendables?...
And the Israeli government lead by another wannabe Hitler/Trump is no better playing the same game with those same "Human Expendables".

There is no difference between either as both are nothing but murdering scumbags.
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Message 2128041 - Posted: 5 Nov 2023, 20:04:14 UTC - in response to Message 2128037.  
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Hamas playing the 'game' of the atrocity of Human Expendables?...
And the Israeli government lead by another wannabe Hitler/Trump is no better playing the same game with those same "Human Expendables".

There is no difference between either as both are nothing but murdering scumbags.

So what is a better 'solution'?

What solution is possible?

Note also the 'unfortunate' associations with the word "solution"...

Note how Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, have taken upon themselves the non-negotiable self-proclaimed Jihadist (extremist's) 'vow' of the Pogrom of "From the river to the sea"...

And do not underestimate the existential ferocity of a Pogrom.

Kindly attempts at appeasement and containment haven't worked.


Meanwhile, armchair observers, safely detached a million miles away from the reality have what ideas?

Meanwhile, we have a minority group who are being deadly threateningly scapegoated all around the world. For the sake of what?


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Message 2128042 - Posted: 5 Nov 2023, 21:10:05 UTC

And what about decades of land theft and murder carried out by the Israeli government and their murdering thieving so called "settlers"?

When you talk about Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran you must also include the far right Israeli government as they're all just as bad as each other.

Even Israeli citizens are now being arrested and harassed by their own government, army and police for protesting for peace and a change in direction, how long will it be before Benji orders those protesters fired upon and killed as well?

If the U.N. wasn't such a toothless tiger, due to those ridiculous powers of veto, I'd say that they should take over the running of Israel, Palestine and Lebanon until sensible people can be found to run their own countries in peace instead of the terrorists running them all now. There are many innocents on all sides, but all they're all only pawns in play for all those with agendas.

And then there was the "Donny effect" that caused a lot more problems in both Israel and Iran.
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Message 2128045 - Posted: 6 Nov 2023, 2:15:47 UTC

And now Benji's government are talking just like PooTin's mob of murdering war criminals. :-(

Israeli cabinet minister says nuking Gaza is an option.

A far-right minister in Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government has sparked fury after suggesting Israel could nuke Gaza.

“That’s one way,” Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu said during an interview on Radio Kol Berama on Sunday.

The interviewer had asked, “Your expectation is that tomorrow morning we’d drop what amounts to some kind a nuclear bomb on all of Gaza, flattening them, eliminating everybody there?”

When it was pointed out there were still some 240 hostages being held by Hamas, Mr Eliyahu doubled down, saying while he prayed for their return “there is a price to be paid in war”. .....
Mind you they've likely already killed a number of those hostages themselves.
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Message 2128053 - Posted: 6 Nov 2023, 7:52:34 UTC

She sums it up well.

Jordan’s Queen Rania says being pro-Palestinian does not equal being ‘antisemitic’.

Queen Rania Al Abdullah of Jordan has called for a ceasefire in Israel’s war against Hamas, saying that supporting the protection of Palestinian lives does not equal being antisemitic or pro-terrorism.

“Let me be very, very clear. Being pro-Palestinian is not being antisemitic, being pro-Palestinian does not mean you’re pro-Hamas or pro-terrorism,” Rania told CNN’s Becky Anderson on Sunday.

“What we’ve seen in recent years is the charge of antisemitism being weaponized in order to silence any criticism of Israel,” she said.

“I want to absolutely and wholeheartedly condemn antisemitism and Islamophobia…but I also want to remind everyone that Israel does not represent all the Jewish people around the world. Israel is a state and is alone is responsible for its own crimes.”......
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Message 2128067 - Posted: 6 Nov 2023, 13:29:41 UTC - in response to Message 2128034.  

Don't get Hamas confused with innocent Palestinians.

Hamas and the Israeli government are both terrorist organisations that need to be eliminated.
Thanks for this clear statement. You also linked to a NATO member recalling his ambassador.

https://www.newsweek.com/nato-member-joins-growing-list-countries-recalling-israel-ambassadors-1840921
Erdogan was, is, and ever will be a supporter of violent Islamism. We have to draw a line between people, organizations and countries who see Hamas or Hezbollah as terrorists and those who don't. Erdogan clearly belongs to the destructive side which heats up this conflict.

Israel or the West cannot resolve this conflict. Which rational Arab resp. Islamic countries are willing to defuse or even resolve it? I don't see a single one. Why? Are they afraid? From what? Of their citizens? Hatred of Israel is a two-sided sword. It doesn't only harm Israel, it also prevents rational Arab politics since decades. The Arab League? Toothless, discordant, dispensable, like the whole UN.
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Message 2128069 - Posted: 6 Nov 2023, 14:02:37 UTC - in response to Message 2128067.  

Why? Are they afraid?
How much it will cost.
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Message 2128090 - Posted: 6 Nov 2023, 19:03:35 UTC

When will the world and media stop pandering to the Palestinian Authorities murderously herding their people into being Expendables?


Rafah border crossing between Gaza and Egypt fails to open for foreigners
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The exit of foreigners from Gaza via the Rafah border crossing was halted on Saturday in an apparent dispute over evacuating injured patients.

Hundreds of foreign citizens have escaped through the crossing into Egypt in the past few days.

But on Saturday, no foreign nationals, dual nationals or injured patients were let through...

... the crossing authorities on the Palestinian side told the BBC that movement of people with foreign passports is not being allowed until there is agreement on the safety of transferring injured patients...

... "People are really afraid of what's going on and so if they have a chance to leave, they're trying to leave,"...

... The Israeli military said a number of Hamas fighters had been killed and accused Hamas - which is designated a terrorist group by Israel, the US, UK and other powers - of transferring militants and weapons in ambulances...



All in the Hamas/Iran War of Hostages...


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Message 2128200 - Posted: 8 Nov 2023, 18:41:28 UTC

Quite a story:


'I’m calling from Israeli intelligence. We have the order to bomb. You have two hours'
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... As he left his building and crossed the road, looking for a safe place, his phone lit up.

It was a call from a private number.

"I'm speaking with you from Israeli intelligence," a man said down the line, according to Mahmoud.

That call would last more than an hour - and it would be the most terrifying call of his life...

... The voice addressed Mahmoud by his full name and spoke in flawless Arabic. "He told me he wanted to bomb three towers… and ordered me to evacuate the surrounding area." Mahmoud's tower was not directly under threat - but he was suddenly responsible for evacuating hundreds of people. "I had the lives of people in my hands," he says...

... s a 40-year-old dentist, Mahmoud says he has no idea why he was chosen for this task. But that day, he did everything he could to keep his community safe. Directed by the voices of strangers, who always seemed to know how to reach him even when his battery ran out, he pleaded for the bombing to stop and screamed until his throat hurt for people to run away.

He led a mass evacuation of his neighbours - and then watched his neighbourhood explode in front of his eyes...

... Mahmoud could not understand why his neighbourhood had become a target. "I tried my best to stop him. I asked, 'Why do you want to bomb?'

"He said, 'There are some things that we see that you don't see.'"

The man did not explain what he meant.

"It is an order from people bigger than me and you, and we have an order to bomb," the voice added, according to Mahmoud.

When the areas around the buildings were clear the man informed Mahmoud that the bombing would begin.

Mahmoud panicked - what if they bombed the wrong building by mistake? "Wait a bit," the man told him, he says.

An Israeli aircraft circled overhead.

Mahmoud stared at the three towers that neighboured his own apartment block. Then one of them was bombed. "This is the tower that we want, stay away," the man on the phone said as the building fell, according to Mahmoud...



Desperate on all sides.

All in a very real world in a very strange unholy war.

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Message 2128207 - Posted: 8 Nov 2023, 19:45:48 UTC
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Quite a stark summary of the reality in northern Gaza:


Hear:

Sky News Daily Podcast: What is Israel’s next move in its war against Hamas?
wrote:
... going to be incredibly difficult:
three reasons one of of which is the
tunnel Network the infamous Gaza Metro
which Hamas can pop up and down wherever
and Israel won't know where all those
tunnels are and some of them it does
appear are underneath the hospitals and
that's going to create a real problem;
second issue is Hamas often don't run
around in uniform so how are the IDF
going to know, you know, who the good guys
and bad guys are how they going to
Target them; and bluntly the third
one is the hostages situation...


See:

IDF to employ 'free fire zone' in Gaza to weed out Hamas troops | Michael Clarke
wrote:
... if you look at the number of men
who are as of an age to be a Hamas
fighter whether a professional or more
likely an amateur who just, you know,
picks up an AK-47 at weekends when they
feel inclined, and joins the
crowd, you're looking at about
probably 600,000 men of that age [in Gaza]...



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Message 2128213 - Posted: 9 Nov 2023, 0:30:14 UTC
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Wow...

Just wow.

Who is pandering to who?...


Clearly see the story as of twelve years ago for the previous century:

Debunking the Palestine Lie
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Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has launched an international campaign to achieve recognition by the United Nations for an independent Palestinian state. Abbas and his international supporters claim that only Israel (with the United States) stands in the way...



How do you negotiate with that?

... And the rest makes the present history.


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Message 2128243 - Posted: 9 Nov 2023, 20:46:23 UTC
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Israeli society was deeply divided before Oct 7th. The former left-wing Zionist majority in Israel's population has changed over the decades due to immigration of oriental Jews and the many Russian immigrants. Conservatives were strengthened, as were the religious. This particularly affected the settler movement, poorer social classes and the rural population. The Kibbuz movement was traditionally left-Zionist, quasi-communist. These old socialist ideals (of Israel's founding fathers) still shape today's metropolitan elites. But the Zionist Left has lost its former stronghold in the Kibbuzim and the working classes. Life in Israel became more and more expensive in the last decade.

Source: Thomas Vescovi, "Farewell to the Kibbuz" - Zionist Left have disappeared into insignificance. In: Le Monde diplomatique, 13.05.2021. (German translation or French only).

Before Oct 7th the opposition had put Benji under massive pressure like no Israeli PM before. But was Benji's rule; his government actually endangered by these large street protests? Or was it only damaging his international reputation, but not his political majority?

A conspiration theory, maybe: Did Benji bet on a short, limited attack from Gaza to teach his opponents? Did he may had vague information about such plans? Why were IDF's complete land forces so far away from Gaza? Or did Benjii read the whole Machiavelli: Did he felt entitled to eliminate the growing threat of Hamas before the end of his waning political career because he saw Iran's dangerous politics? He could not invade Gaza like Sharon did 2006 in Lebanon. The enemy had to attack first. So it took the IDF more than 10 hours until the first strong forces reached the Kibbuzim near Gaza. Is Israel that big? Where were the tanks?
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Message 2128247 - Posted: 9 Nov 2023, 21:23:18 UTC - in response to Message 2128243.  

What is Benji's thought process? I need a victory to cement dictatorship? I'll let a little incursion - we know they can't really do damage = happen and kill the few dozen and declare victory! Or, I'll let them do a full scale attack to justify the final Palestine solution and unleash total war to eliminate all Hamas knowing that he can declare every death a Hamas - after all Hamas is a sovereign government so its citizens are Hamas and not civilian - or a human shield - the babies, which ends with every resident of Gaza dead. Yes, a "Final Solution."

How big will the bribes be to stop justice? https://www.newarab.com/news/palestinian-groups-file-icc-lawsuit-against-israel-over-gaza
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Message 2128249 - Posted: 9 Nov 2023, 21:37:39 UTC

Crooked little Benji (just like crooked Donny) spent too much time trying to change the country's judicial system to avoid the many charges of fraud and corruption against him (just like Donny) while at the same time trying to become another Hitler to displace/eliminate innocent Palestinians and grab their land with the use of his murderous "settler" SS band is heading for a reckoning.

In 1973 Israel was attacked, months later its PM resigned. Is Netanyahu destined for the same fate?

After the Israeli judicial system is finally finished with him then he should be sent to The Hague for his crimes against humanity that he's been responsible for over 2 decades.

Then it's time for a new government that is willing to implement the 2 state solution and return the illegally occupied land back to its legitimate owners.

Nothing less will end this continuous "merry-go-round" of violence that Israel's current right wing governments just keeps on fueling and is why I started this thread 18 months ago as I could see what was coming back then if no one stepped on Benji and his crooked and murderous government, but now you can see the results of western inaction to the main problem.
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