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Message 2127601 - Posted: 27 Oct 2023, 20:23:42 UTC - in response to Message 2127584.  
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Agree, because I thought that Scrooge McDuck was a moderator in disguise, so therefore not wanting to quarrel.

From now on I will hack on other users if not listed as moderators because of the Politics board for its meaning.

First of all, we should know about unevenness where also something should not match.

Here not thinking about such between possible enemies, but that Neil Armstrong once made a leap down on the Moon for not any backwards.

Here disagreement in nature, for not any wars among humans, but sometimes irregularities for also uncertainties, and also differences, and for that also jumping back and forth.

Meant here that when some things could be even for also regular, other things could be more uneven or irregular for also unpredictable.

Nature is having its march and sometimes it could become out of sync for only irregular, but also in between for just happening.

So when not knowing for just only happening and it could be unpredictable, but also the opposite when still predictable.

The one thing I see here is that it could be unpredictable for outcome, but only because of not balancing.

So just the thing in between for only balancing and it becomes counter-balancing when you try it the opposite way.

Is that such a thing tit-tat or could it end up even instead for not any result achievable at all?

We could make it implicit versus Chaos for that of nature for only a difference, but still not any in between.

Rather choose here instead, for still one or the other thing, for still not any deciding.
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Message 2127611 - Posted: 27 Oct 2023, 21:15:58 UTC

This is nothing but the blatant genocide of innocents and must to be stopped now.

Satellite images show parts of Gaza now a wasteland after weeks of bombardment.
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Message 2127618 - Posted: 27 Oct 2023, 23:12:30 UTC - in response to Message 2127579.  

That still leaves my last question: If any was given away without permission would the real owners be justified in reclaiming it?
No. Newly founded states, revolutions, and wars moving borders erase old rights, old laws. Nothing new for Germans: four different states or regimes, Nazis, Communists, occupation within the 20th century. New rulers erase old rights at will.
That is the legal answer, but is it the moral answer?
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Message 2127619 - Posted: 27 Oct 2023, 23:58:47 UTC
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I notice a couple of interviews just here and still think the Palestinian opinion is a parasite.

I know, but only for that of self-respected land, the Israelis or Jews are still a victim of Holocaust.

Therefore a right to self-defence, but nothing else.

The problem with the Israelis is that it could be hypocratic for only becoming Idiosyncratic.

The Palestinians are still poor, but still not any exuse of attacking the Israelis in my opinion.

So when you make such a thing for that of the United Nations, also an exuse for a war.

Self-defence is still one thing, but that it also should concern other nations.

I rather took wrong of nature for making it wrong, so next only an excuse here instead.
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Message 2127625 - Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 2:50:13 UTC

The Palestinians are still poor, but still not any exuse of attacking the Israelis in my opinion.
The Palestinians didn't attack Israelis, Hamas did, but the Israeli government lit the wick.
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Message 2127628 - Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 4:42:18 UTC - in response to Message 2127618.  

<ed add>Before you answer if it is moral, consided the artworks looted by the Nazi's and that the world now sees fit to return it to the descendants of the people it was taken from.
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Message 2127649 - Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 17:41:28 UTC
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This gives a good summary for the present here-and-now:


Israel is in a fight to the finish. Whatever comes next, it must change
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While unprecedented [and extreme] in scale and horror [and atrocities], the Hamas terrorist attacks on 7 October that killed more than 1,400 people were tactically and geographically limited...

... That’s changing. Since that terrible day, Israel has been drawn with astonishing rapidity into a complex web of five interlinked crises that together pose the biggest challenge to national survival since the Yom Kippur war 50 years ago...

... Who now will save Israel? In past moments of great strife, the Jewish people have always known the answer to that question. It will not be the US, for all its unmatched firepower. It will not be the legions of European diplomats, Arab mediators and certainly not the UN, angrily banished beyond the pale last week.

Paradoxically, the recent parade of visiting national leaders who come and quickly go, vowing undying solidarity as they head for the door – Britain’s Rishi Sunak was prominent among them – has served to remind Israelis of a long-established, fundamental truth. In the end, only Israel can save Israel...

... Iran’s threats to activate its region-wide “axis of resistance”, the advance of allied Iraqi and Syrian Shia militias towards Israel’s borders, attacks launched from Yemen, rising violence in the West Bank and a deepening stand-off with Lebanon’s Hezbollah intensify the sense of Israel under siege on all sides...

... “There is widespread agreement that Netanyahu is responsible for the country being left vulnerable,” noted author David Rothkopf. “Remarkably, the damage he and his government have done is much deeper and has left Israelis more at risk than they have been in decades. “Not only has [Netanyahu] divided the country with the anti-democratic policies and abuse of power that sparked an unprecedented protest movement at home, but today the country faces the prospect of a long, costly, possibly escalating, potentially regional conflict.” Netanyahu refuses to resign, apologise or accept that his previous policy of “managing” Hamas in Gaza, undermining the Palestinian Authority, encouraging annexation of the West Bank and spurning peace negotiations empowered Islamist hardliners, increased the risk of violence and has now backfired dismally...

... four interconnected crises – the intensifying war, domestic political strife, a losing global PR battle and the intractable hostage dilemma – are exacerbating a fifth: the long-term strategic, some would say existential crisis confronting Israel...

... The harm done is already considerable. The process of normalisation with Arab countries has been derailed. To Iran’s delight, a historic deal with Saudi Arabia, underwritten by US security guarantees, is now on ice amid anger in Riyadh and throughout Arab and Muslim countries.

In contrast, the war is boosting the regional profile of Iran, Israel’s sworn enemy which, like Hamas, seeks its destruction. Tehran has succeeded, so far, in cranking up pressure on Israel through armed proxies while avoiding direct involvement. The extent of its complicity on 7 October remains murky...

... For Israel, as for the Palestinians, things cannot go back to the way they were.



Where do the politics go next?

And how many people die yet?


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Message 2127664 - Posted: 28 Oct 2023, 20:15:38 UTC

Not reading the other posts here before posting myself, so doing that afterwards.

And I visited Gaza Live on YouTube a short while ago, and here a mentioning in chat or comments that was interesting.

Here the other poster mentioned that of dogma and Religion together, while not doing this for this time or myself for this conflict.

The problem is that when still hatred also Religion for the same while Ideologies could rather be handled or managed by politicians instead.

I think this has become a war when still an internal conflict and therefore could spill above borders when still not any for defined.

I think that both Egypt and Saudi-Arabia for also Jordan wants to stay out of it, for only Lebanon and Syria remaining.

Poverty is still one thing when Religion another so when still a war or conflict it only becomes that of Ideologies instead.

Both that of Jewish for that of Messiah and Islam are separate beliefs, but here I want this for explicitly stated unless otherwise.

Maybe rather Hebrew instead, except that was only a language and needs checking.
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Message 2127737 - Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 1:03:57 UTC
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Message 2127760 - Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 13:01:44 UTC

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Message 2127764 - Posted: 30 Oct 2023, 15:43:44 UTC
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And tempers flare, but I could differentiate between poverty among Palestinians and what should be declared terrorism by a terrorist organization, and here Hamas.

Here the Palestinians should distance themselves from Hamas and concentrate on a political solution, because it should be still about a two-party state.
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Message 2127782 - Posted: 31 Oct 2023, 3:22:51 UTC

While the power of veto is held by certain countries the U.N. will mainly be the toothless tiger that it currently is. :-(

And those veto powers should be abolished so that the U.N. can function as it is suppose to. ;-)

But I'm just repeating myself there again. :-(

I havn't seen enough of overseas news to be sure, but certainly here there is much more support for the Palestinian people than the oppressive Israeli government.

Israeli government support video from here is all narrow focus stuff to make crowds look larger than they actually larger when they're really rather small while Palestinian support is done with wide angle focus to actually capture their full numbers.

No matter what some may say, the Israeli government has brought this all about over decades and there's nothing that will convince me otherwise.

The west must pull this terrorist far right Zionists government of crooks and religious nutters into line or there will never be any peace there.
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Message 2127803 - Posted: 31 Oct 2023, 19:58:23 UTC

This is just plain straight out murder.

CNN’s Wolf Blitzer Confronts IDF Flack Who Admitted to Bombing Refugee Camp.

As their war crimes continue to escalate.

Amnesty International says Israeli forces wounded Lebanese civilians with white phosphorus.

Any country supporting the Israeli government should also be held accountable for indiscriminate murder of innocent civilians as well.
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Message 2127805 - Posted: 31 Oct 2023, 20:44:15 UTC - in response to Message 2127782.  
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... I havn't seen enough of overseas news to be sure, but certainly here there is much more support for the Palestinian people than the oppressive Israeli government...

Amazing how Hamas and Iran and Russia are NOT in the news for the conflict.

Whilst those three groups exist and have vowed to destroy Israel, their support of genocide will continue all the conflicts for another 100 years...


And very recently, I'm very glad to be nowhere near Dagestan International Airport:

Mob storms Dagestan airport in search of Jewish passengers from Israel
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... “This is your captain,” one announcement said. “There’s an angry mob outside that doesn’t know where we’ve come from and why [we are here]. It’s possible we’ll also come under attack.”...

... Local religious authorities have suggested that they may need to evacuate an estimated 800 Jewish families from across Dagestan, many of them in the southern city of Derbent.

“The situation is very difficult in Dagestan. People from the community are afraid, they call, and I do not know what to advise,” Ovadya Isakov, a government representative of the local Jewish community, told the Podyom news outlet. “Is it worth leaving? Because Russia is not our salvation. There were pogroms in Russia too. It is unclear where to run.”...

... A delegation from Hamas, the Palestinian organisation’s first high-profile international trip since the 7 October attacks, arrived in Moscow earlier this week for meetings with the Russian foreign ministry...

How social media fuelled antisemitic violence in Dagestan, Russia
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On Sunday morning, details of a flight arriving later that day from Tel Aviv were posted on a popular channel on Telegram in Dagestan...

... Outburst of antisemitic violence

Dagestan is the most diverse of Russia's regions, with dozens of indigenous ethnic groups - predominantly Muslim, but including an ancient Jewish community - living alongside each other for centuries...


Desperately deadly nasty. There was the Spanish Inquisition and now we have religiously hate fueled mob lynchings to contend with. Russia, Iran, and Hamas, really are making war in all the worse ways.

Also note how both Hamas and Russia have very current and nasty deadly examples of genocide that they have recently perpetrated...


How do you reason with that?

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Message 2127832 - Posted: 1 Nov 2023, 15:25:16 UTC
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How do we persuade the thuggish masked riotous self-righteous sympathizers to behave themselves?...


McDonald's condemn Birmingham restaurant mice protests
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McDonald's has condemned what it called disinformation over the Israel-Gaza war after boxes of live mice were released in three of its restaurants in apparent protests...

... mice dyed in the colours of the Palestinian flag...

... a group of masked people appear to enter the branch in Small Heath and empty a clear plastic box filled with live mice near the counter...

... A spokesperson for McDonald's said the firm was "dismayed by the disinformation and inaccurate reports regarding our position in response to the conflict in the Middle East."...


That is outright callous cruelty to animals!

How many mice suffered from being smothered in paint to then suffer almost guaranteed death?


Let there be peace upon the earth?...

Instead of the misguided fervid religions, instead:

Be excellent to one another!
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Message 2127848 - Posted: 2 Nov 2023, 4:03:11 UTC - in response to Message 2127832.  

How many mice suffered from being smothered in paint to then suffer almost guaranteed death?
Isn't that the point, Palestinian suffering followed by guaranteed death?
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Message 2127863 - Posted: 2 Nov 2023, 13:29:06 UTC - in response to Message 2127848.  
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How many mice suffered from being smothered in paint to then suffer almost guaranteed death?
Isn't that the point, Palestinian suffering followed by guaranteed death?

And what of the Hamas inflicted guaranteed no-mercy ruthlessly mindless deadly cruel rampage with deadly cold atrocities against fellow human beings whilst asleep in their homes?...

And then further their cold deadly use of using both their own Palestinians and other hostages as a human shield?


To put an end to such future barbarism, what useful approach can be taken?

Or do we encourage Hamas and others in the further taking of hostages and the use of human shields as being a profitable tactic?


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Message 2127881 - Posted: 2 Nov 2023, 21:26:25 UTC

While wannabe dictator and terrorist leader Benji continues to lose support at home as well as abroad and western governments are finding out that support in their homelands for the Israeli government isn't anywhere near as strong as they thought it's Benji's son that's now grabbing the headlines.

Israel has called up 360,000 reservists as it goes to war with Hamas. But Benjamin Netanyahu's son is not one of them.
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Message 2127891 - Posted: 3 Nov 2023, 1:01:59 UTC - in response to Message 2127863.  

To put an end to such future barbarism, what useful approach can be taken?
So you become them. Someone else comes along and takes you out. The cycle doesn't end.

Think outside the box
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Message 2127924 - Posted: 3 Nov 2023, 13:07:13 UTC

Outside the Gaza box:

Russia gives air defence missile units to Hezbollah...

And that has to include Russian personnel to operate them...

And then we suffer another MH17 to be added to the atrocities?


Russia really is at war with the world and Israel is their present distraction victim...

And many people are Expended murdered.

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